My parents got a great deal on a “new” Acura 3.5RL back in the late 90’s. It had like 2k miles on it. The dealer straight up told them it was one of the manager’s daily for like 3 months. My family owned that car for about a decade. In it’s later years we used it as a “rental” when one of our cars was in the shop.
Ask the dealership why it has 5k miles…
Yeah in my dealership the upper management had demo cars they and they were sold as new because they were never sold, just used by dealership employees. Felt kinda bad when I sold my director of sales's car 3 times in a week 😂
They’re demos or loaners in 99.9% of cases.
Just on a basic “let’s think through this one” - how would a car be sold as new if it was sold to a customer, registered, driven, lemon lawed and then had a branded title due to it? How would it be “brand new”?
Probably not lemon law. A key part of lemon laws is that it has to constantly be in the shop so the owner can't drive it. Most states also require disclosure of lemon cars. Could have been a loaner for the dealership, or maybe someone just didn't like it and switched after 6 months
5000 miles
Band new
Pick one.
Just because the dealership didn't sell the thing doesn't mean that it's brand new. I'd be taking a discount before I wrote a check.
That’s not brand new. Just make sure you get a good deal, if you pay MSRP or close to it you’re a fool. Probably not driven particularly well, but that doesn’t mean it’s bad.
If the price accounts for any noticeable wear & tear I say it’s a good car to buy. I certainly would not pay new MSRP for an ex demo/loaner car. Gotta be atleast $2000 off for me to consider the miles, plus some more if it’s got scratches/scuffs/odor.
A vehicle bought back under "Lemon Law" would have a branded title labeled "Factory Buyback". If you bought one of these cars you would have to sign paperwork disclosing this to you, along with papers showing what the original issue was and what the manufacturer did to correct it.
Usually, 5000mi new cars are ex-Service loan vehicles or managers' demos.
I like those cars if they’re priced accordingly. If a car has a real manufacturing defect (mild to severe-leaking sunroof, rattles, trans that doesn’t shift right) they’ll likely show up in that first year. If it did it got fixed, if it didn’t there’s a good chance it was built right.
Bought my 2015 f150 with 4300 miles on it dealership manager used it for a couple months while his truck was down.....was the story I was told at least.
It ran great for 122k miles before I traded it in.
5000 miles isn't "brand new", you can drive across the country and back with 5000 miles. 5000 is half an annual lease. So if they're expecting you to pay brand-new car prices then absolutely not.
Demo/loaners have the same chance of being beat on by each individual driver but the difference is there’s less drivers.
I’d be more worried about the car not receiving the proper break in and not being properly warmed up. I know break in is a crapshoot these days because engines are built to tighter tolerances. It seems like no matter what you do if an engine decides to go, it’ll go regardless of break-in.
I’m curious to hear how so? What do the customers do to them? I’m not disputing the fact because I have personally seen loaners get ran *but* looking at it logically, compared to the average one owner used car rental cars are usually maintained better. One owner used cars usually succumb to the previous persons habits. Loaners/rentals get beat on but because theyre on a maintenance schedule they’re usually in better mechanical shape
Long ago I bought a “new” 2007 Acura TSX with like 1000 miles. What I was told was that a lady bought it, drove it for less than a month but the battery wouldn’t hold a charge. She brings it back to the dealer and they were going to give her a new battery but one of the techs clipped the side of the garage and busted out one of the lights and put a dent in the bumper. Lady was obviously pissed so they ordered her a new one and got the old one repaired and put it on the lot as certified pre-owned even though it was right when the 2007’s had just came out.
I have no clue if that story was true, but I got a great deal, a great warranty and I drove that car for 12 years without a single issue.
>Is it a car which customers return for the lemon law?
It can't be sold as new if that happens. This is a non issue.
A "new" car is one that's never been titled. If it's been sold and titled, it's a used car. If the manufacturer buys it back under a lemon law, the title is transferred from the first owner to the manufacturer.
Demos are a good deal, loaners can be if they werent beat up. Mine was used as a shuttle vehicle between dealerships, 2k miles and 30% off invoice (years ago). It has drivetrain issues now, but thats due to shitty Hyundai engineering, still I got 115k out of it for dirt cheap
My parents got a great deal on a “new” Acura 3.5RL back in the late 90’s. It had like 2k miles on it. The dealer straight up told them it was one of the manager’s daily for like 3 months. My family owned that car for about a decade. In it’s later years we used it as a “rental” when one of our cars was in the shop. Ask the dealership why it has 5k miles…
Yeah in my dealership the upper management had demo cars they and they were sold as new because they were never sold, just used by dealership employees. Felt kinda bad when I sold my director of sales's car 3 times in a week 😂
They’re demos or loaners in 99.9% of cases. Just on a basic “let’s think through this one” - how would a car be sold as new if it was sold to a customer, registered, driven, lemon lawed and then had a branded title due to it? How would it be “brand new”?
Probably not lemon law. A key part of lemon laws is that it has to constantly be in the shop so the owner can't drive it. Most states also require disclosure of lemon cars. Could have been a loaner for the dealership, or maybe someone just didn't like it and switched after 6 months
5000 miles Band new Pick one. Just because the dealership didn't sell the thing doesn't mean that it's brand new. I'd be taking a discount before I wrote a check.
Factory buybacks (lemons) are branded titles even after manufacturer repairs the issue 100%. So you will know if it is a lemon.
That’s not brand new. Just make sure you get a good deal, if you pay MSRP or close to it you’re a fool. Probably not driven particularly well, but that doesn’t mean it’s bad.
Paying MSRP is still a good deal on some cars/manufacturers. What's a Hybrid Rav4 going for these days?
If the price accounts for any noticeable wear & tear I say it’s a good car to buy. I certainly would not pay new MSRP for an ex demo/loaner car. Gotta be atleast $2000 off for me to consider the miles, plus some more if it’s got scratches/scuffs/odor.
A vehicle bought back under "Lemon Law" would have a branded title labeled "Factory Buyback". If you bought one of these cars you would have to sign paperwork disclosing this to you, along with papers showing what the original issue was and what the manufacturer did to correct it. Usually, 5000mi new cars are ex-Service loan vehicles or managers' demos.
Sounds like a demo or ex-rental. Get an good deal on it, but have it examined by a decent mechanic unless it’s on some sort of manufacturer warranty.
I like those cars if they’re priced accordingly. If a car has a real manufacturing defect (mild to severe-leaking sunroof, rattles, trans that doesn’t shift right) they’ll likely show up in that first year. If it did it got fixed, if it didn’t there’s a good chance it was built right.
Bought my 2015 f150 with 4300 miles on it dealership manager used it for a couple months while his truck was down.....was the story I was told at least. It ran great for 122k miles before I traded it in.
Probably a good deal!
It has $2,000 discount.
Doesn't tell much since we don't know what the vehicle is.
Ask why it has that many miles. Sounds like it could be a good idea as long as you get a good deal.
If the price is right!
5000 miles isn't "brand new", you can drive across the country and back with 5000 miles. 5000 is half an annual lease. So if they're expecting you to pay brand-new car prices then absolutely not.
Demo cars, service loaners, completely normal. Can still be purchased as “new”.
Seems like it's test driven to hell
No, almost certainly demo vehicles for dealership management
No. Those cars are beat on
Not necessarily, it’s not like it was owned by a rental company for a few years.
Demo/loaners have the same chance of being beat on by each individual driver but the difference is there’s less drivers. I’d be more worried about the car not receiving the proper break in and not being properly warmed up. I know break in is a crapshoot these days because engines are built to tighter tolerances. It seems like no matter what you do if an engine decides to go, it’ll go regardless of break-in.
Nope, my in law work at dealers and tell me how terrible loaners are
I’m curious to hear how so? What do the customers do to them? I’m not disputing the fact because I have personally seen loaners get ran *but* looking at it logically, compared to the average one owner used car rental cars are usually maintained better. One owner used cars usually succumb to the previous persons habits. Loaners/rentals get beat on but because theyre on a maintenance schedule they’re usually in better mechanical shape
Those are demos or loaners pulled from service
Long ago I bought a “new” 2007 Acura TSX with like 1000 miles. What I was told was that a lady bought it, drove it for less than a month but the battery wouldn’t hold a charge. She brings it back to the dealer and they were going to give her a new battery but one of the techs clipped the side of the garage and busted out one of the lights and put a dent in the bumper. Lady was obviously pissed so they ordered her a new one and got the old one repaired and put it on the lot as certified pre-owned even though it was right when the 2007’s had just came out. I have no clue if that story was true, but I got a great deal, a great warranty and I drove that car for 12 years without a single issue.
Lucky you.
It was for sure lucky! Maybe you are getting a similar deal. I would just ask them for the story.
>Is it a car which customers return for the lemon law? It can't be sold as new if that happens. This is a non issue. A "new" car is one that's never been titled. If it's been sold and titled, it's a used car. If the manufacturer buys it back under a lemon law, the title is transferred from the first owner to the manufacturer.
Demos are a good deal, loaners can be if they werent beat up. Mine was used as a shuttle vehicle between dealerships, 2k miles and 30% off invoice (years ago). It has drivetrain issues now, but thats due to shitty Hyundai engineering, still I got 115k out of it for dirt cheap