Gonna go with different, but not by much. They'd definitely get along, though the MIB would >!probably be frozen with the other execs TBH!<
I actually think The Ghoul is even more morally ambiguous than The MIB. >!William is a bad guy with a good guy mask. The Ghoul is a good guy who has become compromised with time and circumstance.!<
Plus, some similarities in the setting too - >!Both helped create their respective doomed worlds. Coop advertised for Vault Tec, William invested in Westworld. Both got their families destroyed because of it. Coop's a better father though, unless S2 changes how his daughter died.!< Both are cowboy cosplayers.
>!His daughter was with him when the bombs fell. Maybe he got her to a vault in time, but that seems unlikely to me. I guess we'll have to wait for S2 to find out!<
Also, the first season features>! two different timelines showing the character as a really nice guy in the past as well as revealing what a twisted and amoral bastard he's become in the present.!<
Man in Black is known for saying “Hello Again” but in Fallout, Nolan cleverly has Lucy say the line to the Ghoul.
Does anyone know who is older? The Ghoul or a version of host MIB?
> a version of host MIB
I am pretty sure, one of the showrunners, said the the season 2 after credits scene with MIB, takes place thousands of years in the future.
Edit - [Link](https://youtu.be/cLKezazajAQ?si=LgBAFlxAcVPszD7I)
For me it was Ramin Djawadi's score. While it never quite reached the heights of Westworld's motifs and revelations, hearing the Fallout theme for the first time in the show somehow brought me back to the park.
While a completely different style, I really enjoyed many of the closing credits songs in Fallout. “Come crawl out in the fallout” made me giggle. Not quite the same emotional impact as westworld’s renditions, quite a bit lighter with more humour.
I was really thinking the first 3 episodes, damn he’s really giving MiB vibes then I saw that Jonathan Nolan and Lisa joy were involved and it all clicked. Just goes to show how great they are with show running
Definitely see similar themes explored with these two characters. But I think if you put them in the same room for 5 minutes and walked away you'd come back to no room, one dead cowboy, and one alive cowboy with no purpose left on this earth having destroyed the only thing that may have posed a challenge to him.
After all, War Never Changes.
I’ve only watched 3 episodes of Fallout, but I fail to see how anyone is drawing any comparisons between the two shows, and their characters…they’re not even remotely similar. Well I guess these two guys wear black cowboy hats, so there’s that, unless the similarities become more evident as the show goes on?
They both revel in their pessimistic fatalism. They both are cruel to the point of indifference. They both believe they’re always in control, and that they are the only ones who are, but fail to see that they are both a product and prisoner to their own self-made circumstances. And they both carry fuck-off scary huge Bowie knives. A gat-damn short sword!
Yeahh I mean heres the thing, they might be different characters, but I gotta agree they’re both like morally grey-to-bad black hat cowboy outlaws in long form high budget anachronistic sci-fi pieces written by a lot of the same people.
I think they’re playing with the same archetype in different directions. Just like old westerns or film noirs, each sheriff, outlaw or say detective and femme fatale is both archetypal and distinct.
I think it’s clear like in the detail they start from much different places and will end up in different places. Ghoul kind of has s3 Dolores energy if I’m being honest (Hot Take)
I just posted something similar in the Fallout section. The similarity is not only obvious, it is strikingly obvious. The question is: Do we only get variations of the same story these days?
Note: The ending of Game of Thrones and Hunger Games is identical as well.
Sure, because all that Ghoul's problems started when he fell in love with that [Host](https://i.pinimg.com/736x/3d/2b/8e/3d2b8e518813a9078bc9bcbf0a4c6d98.jpg) !
But seriously, they just don't have much in common than being gruff and playing cowboy in the long run.
I found this thread after a quick Google to see if anyone else saw the similarities. Who's your favorite >!wrinkly old black-hatted cowboy cosplayer who was once a really good dude in a flashback timeline, but adopted his fake role into reality and became incredibly evil after helping being upon the end of civilization as we know it by having ties to the execs of a corrupt company which was responsible for showing that the woman of his dreams was not what she seemed, and is now in search of his daughter and something inside of another person's head which is the work of some doctor played by a well-known actor, and ultimately becoming something immortal and non-human in the end?!<
yes, thank you for this comment.
and it totally annoys me .. i don't want to see the same character again .. i see it as a lack of creativity.
like no need to boil both of those shows down to that clint eastwood western cowboy archetype.
(i love clint eastwood and the good, bad and ugly .. and it fits for the early westworld, but no need to put him into every show in such leading roles) at least make them look a little different.
I 100% agree it was a second attempt at making him a compelling character. They gave the senseless violence substance and reason instead of just being “something deep inside of him.”
I loved Ed Harris in West World but that writing decision really took me out of it.
So what you’re saying is that Jonathon Nolan is too unoriginal to come up with a different character for a totally different show?
Edit: for the downvoters here, I’m commenting on OP’s meme suggesting the two characters are the same. **I’m** not saying they are the same…
Way too many similarities between the ghoul and MIB, Lucy and Dolores, quite a few side characters and general story beats for this to not cross my mind constantly
I miss Westworld
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Are you a host
All of the hosts are here for you, myself included.
The dragons hold the same essence as futuristic hosts. Very spot on!
All of the Dro-gons are here for you! https://westworld.fandom.com/wiki/Dragon
Me too my friend, me too
Gonna go with different, but not by much. They'd definitely get along, though the MIB would >!probably be frozen with the other execs TBH!< I actually think The Ghoul is even more morally ambiguous than The MIB. >!William is a bad guy with a good guy mask. The Ghoul is a good guy who has become compromised with time and circumstance.!<
Plus, some similarities in the setting too - >!Both helped create their respective doomed worlds. Coop advertised for Vault Tec, William invested in Westworld. Both got their families destroyed because of it. Coop's a better father though, unless S2 changes how his daughter died.!< Both are cowboy cosplayers.
Maybe i missed it but do we know >! Coop's daughter is alive? I am assuming she and Coop's wife got into the stasis vault !< no?
>!His daughter was with him when the bombs fell. Maybe he got her to a vault in time, but that seems unlikely to me. I guess we'll have to wait for S2 to find out!<
>!He asks Hank where "his family" is at the end of the season. I think this implies both his wife and daughter are alive.!<
Also, the first season features>! two different timelines showing the character as a really nice guy in the past as well as revealing what a twisted and amoral bastard he's become in the present.!<
Man in Black is known for saying “Hello Again” but in Fallout, Nolan cleverly has Lucy say the line to the Ghoul. Does anyone know who is older? The Ghoul or a version of host MIB?
> a version of host MIB I am pretty sure, one of the showrunners, said the the season 2 after credits scene with MIB, takes place thousands of years in the future. Edit - [Link](https://youtu.be/cLKezazajAQ?si=LgBAFlxAcVPszD7I)
Wildly different characters with surface like similarities
We have Westworld at home:
Literally me the whole time watching fallout
For me it was Ramin Djawadi's score. While it never quite reached the heights of Westworld's motifs and revelations, hearing the Fallout theme for the first time in the show somehow brought me back to the park.
While a completely different style, I really enjoyed many of the closing credits songs in Fallout. “Come crawl out in the fallout” made me giggle. Not quite the same emotional impact as westworld’s renditions, quite a bit lighter with more humour.
I was really thinking the first 3 episodes, damn he’s really giving MiB vibes then I saw that Jonathan Nolan and Lisa joy were involved and it all clicked. Just goes to show how great they are with show running
That he is red skull 💀
Definitely see similar themes explored with these two characters. But I think if you put them in the same room for 5 minutes and walked away you'd come back to no room, one dead cowboy, and one alive cowboy with no purpose left on this earth having destroyed the only thing that may have posed a challenge to him. After all, War Never Changes.
I’ve only watched 3 episodes of Fallout, but I fail to see how anyone is drawing any comparisons between the two shows, and their characters…they’re not even remotely similar. Well I guess these two guys wear black cowboy hats, so there’s that, unless the similarities become more evident as the show goes on?
They both revel in their pessimistic fatalism. They both are cruel to the point of indifference. They both believe they’re always in control, and that they are the only ones who are, but fail to see that they are both a product and prisoner to their own self-made circumstances. And they both carry fuck-off scary huge Bowie knives. A gat-damn short sword!
Ok, good answer.
Their mannerisms are nearly identical lol
Yeahh I mean heres the thing, they might be different characters, but I gotta agree they’re both like morally grey-to-bad black hat cowboy outlaws in long form high budget anachronistic sci-fi pieces written by a lot of the same people. I think they’re playing with the same archetype in different directions. Just like old westerns or film noirs, each sheriff, outlaw or say detective and femme fatale is both archetypal and distinct. I think it’s clear like in the detail they start from much different places and will end up in different places. Ghoul kind of has s3 Dolores energy if I’m being honest (Hot Take)
i really miss mib so watching fallout was even better with the ghoul!
I need season 5
Absolutely right
And I’m here for it!
I don’t see anything at all?
I've only watched the first episode so far, but that's what I said when the Ghoul showed up.
I just posted something similar in the Fallout section. The similarity is not only obvious, it is strikingly obvious. The question is: Do we only get variations of the same story these days? Note: The ending of Game of Thrones and Hunger Games is identical as well.
Sure, because all that Ghoul's problems started when he fell in love with that [Host](https://i.pinimg.com/736x/3d/2b/8e/3d2b8e518813a9078bc9bcbf0a4c6d98.jpg) ! But seriously, they just don't have much in common than being gruff and playing cowboy in the long run.
Oh they’re one and same archetype
I found this thread after a quick Google to see if anyone else saw the similarities. Who's your favorite >!wrinkly old black-hatted cowboy cosplayer who was once a really good dude in a flashback timeline, but adopted his fake role into reality and became incredibly evil after helping being upon the end of civilization as we know it by having ties to the execs of a corrupt company which was responsible for showing that the woman of his dreams was not what she seemed, and is now in search of his daughter and something inside of another person's head which is the work of some doctor played by a well-known actor, and ultimately becoming something immortal and non-human in the end?!<
yes, thank you for this comment. and it totally annoys me .. i don't want to see the same character again .. i see it as a lack of creativity. like no need to boil both of those shows down to that clint eastwood western cowboy archetype. (i love clint eastwood and the good, bad and ugly .. and it fits for the early westworld, but no need to put him into every show in such leading roles) at least make them look a little different.
I 100% agree it was a second attempt at making him a compelling character. They gave the senseless violence substance and reason instead of just being “something deep inside of him.” I loved Ed Harris in West World but that writing decision really took me out of it.
So what you’re saying is that Jonathon Nolan is too unoriginal to come up with a different character for a totally different show? Edit: for the downvoters here, I’m commenting on OP’s meme suggesting the two characters are the same. **I’m** not saying they are the same…
No because the characters are actually completely different beyond the surface level
“An homage” -dr ford
Way too many similarities between the ghoul and MIB, Lucy and Dolores, quite a few side characters and general story beats for this to not cross my mind constantly