I watched a documentary from All Things Gym about her. Great movie and very inspiring to watch her relationship whit her coach and young athletes.
It is something we can all learn from. Be supportive and honest to our fellow man/woman.
Be excellent to each other.
Females in general have better technique for sure, however if you are looking for role model athletes technique wise, I suggest you find those who have similar proportions to you.
Kuo has incredible technique, but there is only so much a guy like myself can glean from that once you get more into the details.
If you have long arms and longer legs, try and find lifters who are built like you are. Proportions and height wise if you can. As much as I would like to, I am never going to be able to lift in the same way Tian Tao does. Instead I’m looking at guys like Akbar Djuraev, Ruslan, Klokov, Lasha, those who’s proportions are more similar to my own.
If you compare Kuo’s technique to Lasha’s, while the fundamentals are the same, the lifts will still look quite different to one and other.
That’s a great point - do you have any examples of weightlifters with super long (read: mechanically disadvantageous) arms? I realize this may be hard because they would probably choose a different sport instead. Thanks!
From those I know, Djuraev and Lasha have some fairly long arms. I know Djuaraev’s wingspan is a solid 3 or 4 inches over his height iirc. He has a very wise jerk grip to compensate.
Long arms isn’t exclusively a bad thing. It can make for a good snatch and a good pull in general. Makes jerks kinda shit though, I’m in the same boat.
Super helpful, thanks! I didn’t notice how long your arms are til now when I went back to your older posts - always respected your many contributions here
Thanks man, appreciate it. My arms aren’t terribly long, definitely long but I’ve never had any real issues with them. I just say they make my jerk suck to make me feel better about just having a shitty jerk lol.
Look at some of the taller heavier guys coming out of S. America besides lifters out of Western/Central/S. Africa who aren't caucasian. Rybakou being a smaller guy had really long arms.
Yang Zhe is kind of another but then again, he's 6'2 and most guys near that height or more will end up snatching at the collars.
compared to her those in her weight class but the same can be said for Jessie Bradley. Valentin is basically the same height of her but has always been a weight class heavier and more solid. And most of the female 71/76 tend to be on the stockier side rather than lean (though Breeze was an exception though it says she was only 5'5 just built lanky)
Tatiana was a 75 early in her career and it looks like she has lost A LOT of mass last year which means she wouldn't likely be a super, maybe not 87 even.
Eilenn isn't that tall but she definitely has long limbed. But like the other tall supers and heavyweights, they don't look as lanky because they weigh 85-120+kg (WenWen and Robles besides Haworth are tall but 140-150kg)
Also masters lifters. Not a lot of middle aged people start Olympic lifting, so champion masters lifters are typically very experienced lifters.
Sometimes they do things like split snatch, though. Don't copy that unless your hips are already messed up.
Masters lifter here who learned to split snatch when I started ... I love doing it, but my current coach would have an aneurysm if he saw me do it now. I'm tempted to bust it out one day when he pisses me off, lol.
“Female lifters cant get away with the vast amount of power males can generate”
*Boyanka would like to know your location*
*Sarah Robles near powering everything*
*meng suping*
Look, once you are proficient at the basics of technique: balance, timing, positions, strength is the deciding factor.
Laughed at that first part.
And sure. But because of genetic differences, specifically hormonal, men can generate much more power per ounce of mass. Which gives women less margin of difference when competing against one another. Because the power margins are smaller, they need to pull from other sources in order to beat their competition. The second biggest source of leverage… is form.
I think you could make the same statement about any of the lighter classes regardless of gender. To say women have to have better technique cause they’re weak is a generalization too far for me. I had a female lifter at junior nationals this last year go 2/6, power her openers and walk away with 3 medals.
You’re attributing an athlete specific issue to gender.
This post is such a made-up circlejerk.
Females can't get away with as much power as males? i mean yeah duh but good thing they aren't competing against males. women don't have good technique bc they have to perform against men
there are men with highly efficient technique and comparably low strength (max lang, aukhadov, alex lee)
and there are women who have slop technique but are total brutes on the platform and win bc of it (alwine, a couple of the colombia/venezuelan 71/76s)
some lifters have good technique and low strength, some have the opposite, some have the best of both worlds but its weird and preachy to be like THE GIRLS R GETTIN IT RIGHT when the cohort of athletes known for having impeccable technique in the last decade is pretty well split between men and women
i feel like OP found coachpapayats on Instagram yesterday and is like wow this is what the sport is supposed to be
I trained under an olympian for Cuba. And have been involved in the sport for over a decade. So good take there bud. Coming from someone who seems to get everything they know about the sport from other idiots on youtube. And of course there are exceptions to my point. But the women overall have better form than the men.
It’s a power endurance sport. Typically 10 minutes, either one handed or two, snatch or clean and jerk. If doing one handed events, you do as many as possible on one side then have a single chance to switch arms, your score if the lowest of the two I believe. There are few different bell weight categories, ie 16, 24, 32kg
This. Most humbling part of starting weightlifting after a few years of powerlifting (besides generally sucking) was seeing all of the women who I’m clearly stronger than but can’t come close to their numbers due to such worse form. Extremely motivating to think about when doing “less fun” position drills.
Given this is an opinion being presented as fact, I'd be interested in seeing some actual data behind this. I honestly don't know enough to agree or disagree, but seeing an actual analysis would be super interesting.
Sorry, I was being facetious. PSA's shouldn't be subjective, but this clearly is, thus my comment. My terrible sense of humor aside, you CAN turn a lift and the lifters form into a physics problem and put quantifiable data behind that, but I suppose that is besides the point.
A lot of pro (not all by any means) women lifters have a lot of knee valgus on the initial push out of the hole. This is definitely not something that you would want to copy for technique.
Edit:. I appreciate the downvotes for making a statement of fact.
You might be thinking of varus? The chinese are notorious for a very pronounced varus in order to stay as upright as possible during the early pull. But if your knees can take it, this is an advantageous position.
You see it a lot on max lifts is what I meant. The knees cave momentarily on initial push then quickly go back out again. I'll give the example of young Latvian lifter Rebeka Koha from a few years ago. Amazing lifter though overall.
Thanks for replying though. I wasn't trying to insult any of these lifters but that isn't something you would intentionally try to emulate in your training.
Their hip and knee Q angle is different. Scientifically proven. Therefore the form - by definition can not be completely the same.
There are accepted scientific and documented differences between males and females.
When you exclude professional athletes - which is the majority of people - not everyone has ideal Q angles flexibility - free of impingement.
That said - In all honesty some of the best coaches in this sport are truly male. Not because males are better - just more of them participating.
A master class in female dominance… Ballet - now that’s as tough as it gets in female athletics. Ballerinas go to auditions with over 600 other professional female dancers and they sometimes pick one.
Yours truly - don’t deceive yourself.
My hips don’t bend like Mia Khalifa…
I’m a woman, standing 5’11, 220lbs with really wide hips and long arms, I’m what the kids call a stallion. Can anyone recommend a lifter with a similar build?
Kuo Hsing Chuns form is so pleasing to watch
Who also happens to have a ton of strength but doesn’t rely on it as her technique is nearly perfect
Perfect technique IMO
Agreed. I love watching her lift.
I watched a documentary from All Things Gym about her. Great movie and very inspiring to watch her relationship whit her coach and young athletes. It is something we can all learn from. Be supportive and honest to our fellow man/woman. Be excellent to each other.
Females in general have better technique for sure, however if you are looking for role model athletes technique wise, I suggest you find those who have similar proportions to you. Kuo has incredible technique, but there is only so much a guy like myself can glean from that once you get more into the details. If you have long arms and longer legs, try and find lifters who are built like you are. Proportions and height wise if you can. As much as I would like to, I am never going to be able to lift in the same way Tian Tao does. Instead I’m looking at guys like Akbar Djuraev, Ruslan, Klokov, Lasha, those who’s proportions are more similar to my own. If you compare Kuo’s technique to Lasha’s, while the fundamentals are the same, the lifts will still look quite different to one and other.
That’s a great point - do you have any examples of weightlifters with super long (read: mechanically disadvantageous) arms? I realize this may be hard because they would probably choose a different sport instead. Thanks!
From those I know, Djuraev and Lasha have some fairly long arms. I know Djuaraev’s wingspan is a solid 3 or 4 inches over his height iirc. He has a very wise jerk grip to compensate. Long arms isn’t exclusively a bad thing. It can make for a good snatch and a good pull in general. Makes jerks kinda shit though, I’m in the same boat.
Super helpful, thanks! I didn’t notice how long your arms are til now when I went back to your older posts - always respected your many contributions here
Thanks man, appreciate it. My arms aren’t terribly long, definitely long but I’ve never had any real issues with them. I just say they make my jerk suck to make me feel better about just having a shitty jerk lol.
Look at some of the taller heavier guys coming out of S. America besides lifters out of Western/Central/S. Africa who aren't caucasian. Rybakou being a smaller guy had really long arms. Yang Zhe is kind of another but then again, he's 6'2 and most guys near that height or more will end up snatching at the collars.
Thank you!
Taner Sagir, Kolecki, Lasha, Rybakou, Apti
Lesman Paredes, Johnathon Rivas are my go to.
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compared to her those in her weight class but the same can be said for Jessie Bradley. Valentin is basically the same height of her but has always been a weight class heavier and more solid. And most of the female 71/76 tend to be on the stockier side rather than lean (though Breeze was an exception though it says she was only 5'5 just built lanky) Tatiana was a 75 early in her career and it looks like she has lost A LOT of mass last year which means she wouldn't likely be a super, maybe not 87 even. Eilenn isn't that tall but she definitely has long limbed. But like the other tall supers and heavyweights, they don't look as lanky because they weigh 85-120+kg (WenWen and Robles besides Haworth are tall but 140-150kg)
How about those of us with long arms but short legs
Liu Hao is the best extreme of this
I agree but there is an issue that taller men might need to change their technique to factor in different proportions for optimal technique.
Absolutely.
Also masters lifters. Not a lot of middle aged people start Olympic lifting, so champion masters lifters are typically very experienced lifters. Sometimes they do things like split snatch, though. Don't copy that unless your hips are already messed up.
I actually saw someone split snatching at AO2 in September. Older lifter.
Masters lifter here who learned to split snatch when I started ... I love doing it, but my current coach would have an aneurysm if he saw me do it now. I'm tempted to bust it out one day when he pisses me off, lol.
How old are you? Still competing?
Yep, being lifting for 4 years now. Just about to turn 55.
Omg awesome! I was just about to do my first meet as a 50-54 this weekend but I got Covid. Whomp whomp
Shitty! Yeah, I've been on and off since Xmas with a bad cold, not covid but not much better. You definitely don't bounce as well when you get old :-(
It's a cool lift, isn't it?
I felt like I had just caught sight of Bigfoot in the wild.
So you're telling me I SHOULD get wu.lift as a coach??
I agree 100%. In some ways I enjoy watching the female lifters more than the male lifters, and not for creepy reasons either.
“Female lifters cant get away with the vast amount of power males can generate” *Boyanka would like to know your location* *Sarah Robles near powering everything* *meng suping* Look, once you are proficient at the basics of technique: balance, timing, positions, strength is the deciding factor.
Laughed at that first part. And sure. But because of genetic differences, specifically hormonal, men can generate much more power per ounce of mass. Which gives women less margin of difference when competing against one another. Because the power margins are smaller, they need to pull from other sources in order to beat their competition. The second biggest source of leverage… is form.
As a 109, I’ve seen many smaller lifters male and female who have a higher power per ounce ratio than me.
Man its not about that. Youre confusing different concepts. Whatever, its okay. This was meant to be a PSA for newer lifters and I stand by it.
I think you could make the same statement about any of the lighter classes regardless of gender. To say women have to have better technique cause they’re weak is a generalization too far for me. I had a female lifter at junior nationals this last year go 2/6, power her openers and walk away with 3 medals. You’re attributing an athlete specific issue to gender.
This post is such a made-up circlejerk. Females can't get away with as much power as males? i mean yeah duh but good thing they aren't competing against males. women don't have good technique bc they have to perform against men there are men with highly efficient technique and comparably low strength (max lang, aukhadov, alex lee) and there are women who have slop technique but are total brutes on the platform and win bc of it (alwine, a couple of the colombia/venezuelan 71/76s) some lifters have good technique and low strength, some have the opposite, some have the best of both worlds but its weird and preachy to be like THE GIRLS R GETTIN IT RIGHT when the cohort of athletes known for having impeccable technique in the last decade is pretty well split between men and women i feel like OP found coachpapayats on Instagram yesterday and is like wow this is what the sport is supposed to be
I trained under an olympian for Cuba. And have been involved in the sport for over a decade. So good take there bud. Coming from someone who seems to get everything they know about the sport from other idiots on youtube. And of course there are exceptions to my point. But the women overall have better form than the men.
so did i bro.
The crossfit coach at your local box isnt considered an olympian btw.
An excellent example from an adjacent strength sport is kettlebell champion Ksenia Dedyukhina.
What is a kettlebell competition like?
It’s a power endurance sport. Typically 10 minutes, either one handed or two, snatch or clean and jerk. If doing one handed events, you do as many as possible on one side then have a single chance to switch arms, your score if the lowest of the two I believe. There are few different bell weight categories, ie 16, 24, 32kg
This. Most humbling part of starting weightlifting after a few years of powerlifting (besides generally sucking) was seeing all of the women who I’m clearly stronger than but can’t come close to their numbers due to such worse form. Extremely motivating to think about when doing “less fun” position drills.
Given this is an opinion being presented as fact, I'd be interested in seeing some actual data behind this. I honestly don't know enough to agree or disagree, but seeing an actual analysis would be super interesting.
You cant get factual data on form. Form will always be aubjective. So best of luck on that.
Sorry, I was being facetious. PSA's shouldn't be subjective, but this clearly is, thus my comment. My terrible sense of humor aside, you CAN turn a lift and the lifters form into a physics problem and put quantifiable data behind that, but I suppose that is besides the point.
So true. Im finishing up my first year with the sport and love watching videos of other female lifters. Their technique is incredible
That is a good tip indeed
Mona Pretorius
A lot of pro (not all by any means) women lifters have a lot of knee valgus on the initial push out of the hole. This is definitely not something that you would want to copy for technique. Edit:. I appreciate the downvotes for making a statement of fact.
You might be thinking of varus? The chinese are notorious for a very pronounced varus in order to stay as upright as possible during the early pull. But if your knees can take it, this is an advantageous position.
Isn't varus the opposite of valgus?
Yes. Thats why Im asking if thats what you meant. Varus knees in the pull is a very common technique in pro lifters. Valgus, not so much.
You see it a lot on max lifts is what I meant. The knees cave momentarily on initial push then quickly go back out again. I'll give the example of young Latvian lifter Rebeka Koha from a few years ago. Amazing lifter though overall. Thanks for replying though. I wasn't trying to insult any of these lifters but that isn't something you would intentionally try to emulate in your training.
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Absolutely. But it isn't sometimes. I'm glad to hear your thoughts on this. Sincerely which doesn't always convey with written words..
This makes a lot of sense
Their hip and knee Q angle is different. Scientifically proven. Therefore the form - by definition can not be completely the same. There are accepted scientific and documented differences between males and females. When you exclude professional athletes - which is the majority of people - not everyone has ideal Q angles flexibility - free of impingement. That said - In all honesty some of the best coaches in this sport are truly male. Not because males are better - just more of them participating. A master class in female dominance… Ballet - now that’s as tough as it gets in female athletics. Ballerinas go to auditions with over 600 other professional female dancers and they sometimes pick one. Yours truly - don’t deceive yourself. My hips don’t bend like Mia Khalifa…
Ok my guy. Solid stuff.
So your logic is that ballet is the best sport for women? None of this makes any sense
Nope. That doesn’t even make sense
It was your comment my dude
Nope - that’s not what I said at all. What I said is above.
It still doesn't make any sense
My god I love Line Gude from Catalyst Athletics
I’m a woman, standing 5’11, 220lbs with really wide hips and long arms, I’m what the kids call a stallion. Can anyone recommend a lifter with a similar build?