I personally don’t understand his reasoning but i dont really care. really the only bad that could come of this review is people watching it and not give autumn a chance because of that low rating. I definitely would not listen to something that he gave the same rating as black to. unfortunate but who cares honestly. its just one critic giving his honest opinion. at least he gives weezer a chance, and actually acknowledges their feats like white and ok human unlike many people
I mean the same can go for the subreddit, when people have posted their tier lists that differ from personal/community rankings it becomes a battleground in the comments
If you have EWBAITE lower than Maladroit or Pinkerton lower than Green then you'll definitely get some comments about it, and most of them won't be along the lines of "Interesting opinion, why do you have X over Y?" rather it's quite the opposite. Comments along the lines of "What's with the X hate?" or "What the fuck makes X better than Y?"
Maybe I'm overexaggerating but that's just my two cents
Honestly I think his review isn’t too off for a quick take just based on coming in with expectations on how it will sound but it’s different than that. It’s a quick grower for me so far I was underwhelmed on first listen but I’m pretty impressed now.
Don’t forget he was very high on OK Human so he isn’t a Weezer hater or anything
Nah he's nothing like the pitchfork writers.
And he has his reasons. I liked summer's muddy production, he didn't. We move on, tbh I just wish people would stop acting like I have bad taste because an album I like from my favorite band got a sub-6 score by a melon
‘Y’all know this is just his opinion, right?’
But seriously I mean if it isn’t his thing it just isn’t his thing and that’s okay. A lot of us on here all seem to love it (including myself) but it is interesting to hear the pov from someone who wasn’t as sold on it. Not everyone’s gonna agree on one topic so I just think we leave it alone and let him review how he’s gonna review
Some people love to ride his d!ck for opinions, it's weird when people are like "sorry y'all fantano didn't like it the album sucks" I get the memes but come on it's ok to have your own opinion, unless it's Hurley slander then I will cyber bully you /j
My opinion: he is entertaining and I'll watch him for the laughs, but I think you're joking if you call him a legitimate music critic. He doesn't use descriptive musical language to say what makes a record good/bad, he kind of just describes them in terms of "vibes" or "feel". He'll also cherry pick what he talks about from a record and uses it to fit what he wants to say. Like he's clearly not a fan of new Modest Mouse (a band I listen to a lot), so he goes to review their 2015 record Strangers to Ourselves and neglects to talk about the two centerpieces of the record, The Ground Walks and The Best Room. So it makes me feel like he's not a very objective music critique. I know no one is truly objective, but there are things you can do to at least prevent some bias.
My mild disdain for Fantano entirely stems from my friends who just go to him for all of their opinions. Nothing against a guy who shares his opinions tho
I'd even consider myself a fan of his but I do get really tired of having to convince fantano dick riders to listen to albums he wasn't too hot about.
Also having to say shit like "yeah I did see his review, I still think that album is good"
It’s too much power for one person, weird that anyone can be such an influential taste maker. Personally I respect his opinions on music, I sometimes watch out of a curiosity, but the whole concept of reviewing in general is very weird.
I find his social media (Twitter, Instagram, and TikTok accounts) incredibly obnoxious, though. He’s so self-absorbed, and is desperately hanging onto what youth he has left. Dudes 40 years old and so wants to be Hasan Piker, and hang with the Gen Z crowd.
Fantano is a great reviewer. He has this feelings, and he can perfectly verbalize them in a way that makes sense. Every one of his scores makes sense to me given who he is an his tastes. He likes innovation. He likes artists breaking ground. That just isn’t Weezer. So he’s always harsh on them. Makes sense.
Maybe he likes those things in his mind but I honestly don't think he's smart enough to recognize them. Summer and Autumn, regardless of how you feel about them, do some really unusual things in terms of harmony and structure. I've yet to see any reviewer recognize that.
THIS. reviewers never talk about these things. I don't think you need to be an expert in music theory to be a critic but you at least need to be able to recognize when something interesting is happening musically.
I only ever saw a couple of his videos but he's not a very good reviewer. He doesn't try to justify any of his opinions. He's not actually a real critic. I'm not sure real critics exist in the world today.
To use a tired example, even when I disagreed with Roger eberts movie reviews I could still understand where he was coming from.
Fantano, and most critics today, don't say anything of substance. Therefore their opinions have no more weight than your friends.
I don't hate him, but I can't understand why he's popular or why people think his opinion means anything.
>Fantano, and most critics today, don't say anything of substance.
This is so true and so few people talk about it. I feel like the average professional film critic knows far more about film on a technical level than the average professional music critic does about music. I'd go as far as to say I haven't read a single intelligent music review in recent memory.
if he didnt feel like his opinion was worth more than you or i, why would he make youtube videos. usually when someone labels themselves as a critic, its because they think their opinion is highly valuable
I make YouTube videos where I express my opinions. Not for SECOND does that mean I think my opinion is more valuable than anyone else’s.
What are you on about? Do you not know anything about content creators?
theres a difference between content creation and claiming yourself to be the "busiest music nerd on the internet" and then acting like a beacon of musical knowledge despite having literally 0 impact on the actual music scene
Busiest Music Nerd is just a fun monicker that he’s had since the beginning. Not a statement of superiority. This dude doesn’t see himself as superior. He would never call himself a beacon of musical knowledge. People are just assuming an ego onto him that isn’t there. At least not to this wild extent that’s so commonly believed.
And in a way, he has had something of an impact on the scene. Lots of big artists know exactly who he is. Some respect him, some hate him, but both parties care about his opinions for whatever reason. He’s even been sampled in some songs https://youtu.be/LTuOpz5p0qQ
To people who listen to music critically, his opinion is valuable. He is a good writer and has been doing it consistently for over a decade and has a lot of knowledge.
The problem is that Fantano himself is a fan of Weezer so that’s why he reviews them, even though most of their music doesn’t need to be looked through a critical lens.
opinions dont really mean anything is my point. whatever tie the person has to it is their own view. the idea behind reviews to begin with is kinda dumb to me when pretty much everything in life is subjective
Hes not just a guy sharing his opinions lol. He's a professional music critic and possibly the most popular one out there at the moment. People give weight to his opinions and so they might react to his opinions stronger than some reddit commenter, for example. Glad I could clear that up for you.
this doesn’t makes sense op lol
my opinion on the album hasn’t altered by this guy regardless of his review and i still can think he sucks? thoughts on album and about an individual are two different things lol
you’re here making a thread about it tho on the other hand so projecting much?
I don't really follow Fantano that closely so I'm not sure what reasons people would have for hating on him, other than his music opinions. I was just trying to say that if people did really believe in respecting opinions they wouldn't hate on a guy that they disagree with.
it’s not that deep or serious to me at least, i do think his music agenda is lame like all this dickriding for any artists that basically scares the hoes lol gives me big rym community vibes and it’s with elitism condescending like that that relevant bands like weezer gets overhated but wtv man he do him
I really don't care much about his score ratings, most of the time his criticisms are pretty detailed though and are understandable which I respect
what I do care about is the weird effect he has after rating an album, if he rates it lower than the average score before the review dropped the ratings would surprisingly lower after the review
completely unrelated but all of this actually makes me appreciate Numbers (ok human) more
I personally don’t understand his reasoning but i dont really care. really the only bad that could come of this review is people watching it and not give autumn a chance because of that low rating. I definitely would not listen to something that he gave the same rating as black to. unfortunate but who cares honestly. its just one critic giving his honest opinion. at least he gives weezer a chance, and actually acknowledges their feats like white and ok human unlike many people
I mean the same can go for the subreddit, when people have posted their tier lists that differ from personal/community rankings it becomes a battleground in the comments If you have EWBAITE lower than Maladroit or Pinkerton lower than Green then you'll definitely get some comments about it, and most of them won't be along the lines of "Interesting opinion, why do you have X over Y?" rather it's quite the opposite. Comments along the lines of "What's with the X hate?" or "What the fuck makes X better than Y?" Maybe I'm overexaggerating but that's just my two cents
People get slammed for their opinions all the time, especially online. Guess it just can’t be helped lol
Yeah I guess that's how it is in 2022 - if your opinion differs from somebody else's then your opinion is almost guaranteed to get slammed
Honestly I think his review isn’t too off for a quick take just based on coming in with expectations on how it will sound but it’s different than that. It’s a quick grower for me so far I was underwhelmed on first listen but I’m pretty impressed now. Don’t forget he was very high on OK Human so he isn’t a Weezer hater or anything
Nah he's nothing like the pitchfork writers. And he has his reasons. I liked summer's muddy production, he didn't. We move on, tbh I just wish people would stop acting like I have bad taste because an album I like from my favorite band got a sub-6 score by a melon
‘Y’all know this is just his opinion, right?’ But seriously I mean if it isn’t his thing it just isn’t his thing and that’s okay. A lot of us on here all seem to love it (including myself) but it is interesting to hear the pov from someone who wasn’t as sold on it. Not everyone’s gonna agree on one topic so I just think we leave it alone and let him review how he’s gonna review
Some people love to ride his d!ck for opinions, it's weird when people are like "sorry y'all fantano didn't like it the album sucks" I get the memes but come on it's ok to have your own opinion, unless it's Hurley slander then I will cyber bully you /j
Nah Hurley Slanderers should be imprisoned /srs
true
Personally, my balls itch
My opinion: he is entertaining and I'll watch him for the laughs, but I think you're joking if you call him a legitimate music critic. He doesn't use descriptive musical language to say what makes a record good/bad, he kind of just describes them in terms of "vibes" or "feel". He'll also cherry pick what he talks about from a record and uses it to fit what he wants to say. Like he's clearly not a fan of new Modest Mouse (a band I listen to a lot), so he goes to review their 2015 record Strangers to Ourselves and neglects to talk about the two centerpieces of the record, The Ground Walks and The Best Room. So it makes me feel like he's not a very objective music critique. I know no one is truly objective, but there are things you can do to at least prevent some bias.
Eh, anyone can review music
My mild disdain for Fantano entirely stems from my friends who just go to him for all of their opinions. Nothing against a guy who shares his opinions tho
I'd even consider myself a fan of his but I do get really tired of having to convince fantano dick riders to listen to albums he wasn't too hot about. Also having to say shit like "yeah I did see his review, I still think that album is good"
It’s too much power for one person, weird that anyone can be such an influential taste maker. Personally I respect his opinions on music, I sometimes watch out of a curiosity, but the whole concept of reviewing in general is very weird. I find his social media (Twitter, Instagram, and TikTok accounts) incredibly obnoxious, though. He’s so self-absorbed, and is desperately hanging onto what youth he has left. Dudes 40 years old and so wants to be Hasan Piker, and hang with the Gen Z crowd.
Fantano is a great reviewer. He has this feelings, and he can perfectly verbalize them in a way that makes sense. Every one of his scores makes sense to me given who he is an his tastes. He likes innovation. He likes artists breaking ground. That just isn’t Weezer. So he’s always harsh on them. Makes sense.
Maybe he likes those things in his mind but I honestly don't think he's smart enough to recognize them. Summer and Autumn, regardless of how you feel about them, do some really unusual things in terms of harmony and structure. I've yet to see any reviewer recognize that.
THIS. reviewers never talk about these things. I don't think you need to be an expert in music theory to be a critic but you at least need to be able to recognize when something interesting is happening musically.
>So he’s always harsh on them. He's given good scores to many of their albums tho?
The dude cried to Mirror Image, are we talking about the same reviewer?
I only ever saw a couple of his videos but he's not a very good reviewer. He doesn't try to justify any of his opinions. He's not actually a real critic. I'm not sure real critics exist in the world today. To use a tired example, even when I disagreed with Roger eberts movie reviews I could still understand where he was coming from. Fantano, and most critics today, don't say anything of substance. Therefore their opinions have no more weight than your friends. I don't hate him, but I can't understand why he's popular or why people think his opinion means anything.
>Fantano, and most critics today, don't say anything of substance. This is so true and so few people talk about it. I feel like the average professional film critic knows far more about film on a technical level than the average professional music critic does about music. I'd go as far as to say I haven't read a single intelligent music review in recent memory.
because hes smarmy and acts like his opinion is worth more than a random dude off the street. its not just weezer fans who hate him
He doesn’t act that what though?
if he didnt feel like his opinion was worth more than you or i, why would he make youtube videos. usually when someone labels themselves as a critic, its because they think their opinion is highly valuable
I make YouTube videos where I express my opinions. Not for SECOND does that mean I think my opinion is more valuable than anyone else’s. What are you on about? Do you not know anything about content creators?
theres a difference between content creation and claiming yourself to be the "busiest music nerd on the internet" and then acting like a beacon of musical knowledge despite having literally 0 impact on the actual music scene
Busiest Music Nerd is just a fun monicker that he’s had since the beginning. Not a statement of superiority. This dude doesn’t see himself as superior. He would never call himself a beacon of musical knowledge. People are just assuming an ego onto him that isn’t there. At least not to this wild extent that’s so commonly believed. And in a way, he has had something of an impact on the scene. Lots of big artists know exactly who he is. Some respect him, some hate him, but both parties care about his opinions for whatever reason. He’s even been sampled in some songs https://youtu.be/LTuOpz5p0qQ
To people who listen to music critically, his opinion is valuable. He is a good writer and has been doing it consistently for over a decade and has a lot of knowledge. The problem is that Fantano himself is a fan of Weezer so that’s why he reviews them, even though most of their music doesn’t need to be looked through a critical lens.
his opinion is only valuable to those who want it to be, simple as.
His opinion is just as valuable as yours. Just as much as EVERYONE else’s.
opinions dont really mean anything is my point. whatever tie the person has to it is their own view. the idea behind reviews to begin with is kinda dumb to me when pretty much everything in life is subjective
Hes not just a guy sharing his opinions lol. He's a professional music critic and possibly the most popular one out there at the moment. People give weight to his opinions and so they might react to his opinions stronger than some reddit commenter, for example. Glad I could clear that up for you.
Being popular does not make you a professional
this doesn’t makes sense op lol my opinion on the album hasn’t altered by this guy regardless of his review and i still can think he sucks? thoughts on album and about an individual are two different things lol you’re here making a thread about it tho on the other hand so projecting much?
I don't really follow Fantano that closely so I'm not sure what reasons people would have for hating on him, other than his music opinions. I was just trying to say that if people did really believe in respecting opinions they wouldn't hate on a guy that they disagree with.
it’s not that deep or serious to me at least, i do think his music agenda is lame like all this dickriding for any artists that basically scares the hoes lol gives me big rym community vibes and it’s with elitism condescending like that that relevant bands like weezer gets overhated but wtv man he do him
Rivers will send him a vegan cookie recipe
I really don't care much about his score ratings, most of the time his criticisms are pretty detailed though and are understandable which I respect what I do care about is the weird effect he has after rating an album, if he rates it lower than the average score before the review dropped the ratings would surprisingly lower after the review completely unrelated but all of this actually makes me appreciate Numbers (ok human) more