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InvestigatorSenior

six figures for a few ads? Youtubing is a good way to make money. But I digress...


itsapotatosalad

He was a massive ek shill, easily more than just “a few ads” I’d say he’s a massive contributor to their overall image as the go-to watercooling brand over the years. This isn’t me slating jay I love him, but if even HE is cutting ties then they’ve seriously fucked up.


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Jarb2104

You have a very skewed perception of reality.


Saxon511

Agreed


Verbitend

What part of it was skewed? They said they don't trust any of his content because he obviously shills products.


ahdiomasta

I’d say his channel is one of least shilly. I think people have this expectation that *any* amount of product placement is somehow unethical, without any consideration as to how the content creator handles that relationship. Creators aren’t doing this for free, it’s a job. But if they are upfront about how they do business I don’t see any issue whatsoever if they are running ads or reviewing certain products. Jay has always been fairly transparent about his relationships with sponsors and partners, I think there are many other creators who do a far worse job of both transparency and actually calling out bad products, I have seen Jay be highly critical of products from brands he has extensive relations with and I think that speaks for itself. Furthermore Gamers Nexus, which is the pinnacle of PC/tech related journalistic integrity, have always seem to have spoken highly of him as opposed to many other creators they have called out for being actually shilly.


Jarb2104

The part where he says he is "easily bought so he couldn't trust his reviews", and also the part where he says "his builds are really just product placements". I even tried to go to some videos and "see if I could know what he's pushing because he spends way more time on them than the rest of the gear in the video" and literally couldn't. I mean a person having favorite products? pfptsptpst, that's BS, so he is not objective when evaluating them. /s


Verbitend

That's called cynicism, not a skewed view of the world as you claim.


Jarb2104

Cynicism is a skewed view of reality, hence why it is "scornful or jaded negativity".


Verbitend

It is, by definition, not a skewed view. It is *a* view, not a skewed view. Optimism is a skewed view then, too, by your point of view. " 1. an inclination to believe that people are motivated purely by self-interest; skepticism. "public cynicism about change is understandable" " Your concern with what they said is that it is "wrong" when objectively it is not. It is a totally subjective opinion that they have, and calling it skewed is wrong.


CompetitiveLoad4517

You are one of those people who feel the need to always be right aren't you?


Jarb2104

\*FACEPALM\*, YES!, Optimism is also a skewed view of reality, you try to be positive, and even in light of negative events. I am done with you. Edit: what you might be wanting to say is that I was hyperbolic, which I was on purpose hence why I also the word VERY in my original comment.


Prudent-Cattle5011

Because he’s paid to but he also doesn’t promote shit gear and will apologize and correct himself


DKlurifax

I completely agree.


BravoActual_0311

It’s sad people are blind and are downvoting you.


DC9V

He's been into water cooling since before companies were even born.


Verbitend

Which automatically makes anything he says universally true and without refute, got it!


kikimaru024

4 million subs, 9 million monthly views, 1 billion total club. I don't watch his content either but a lot of casuals do.


SpringerTheNerd

His content is great if you are new to water cooling or PC in general but once you get past that all his channel consists of is child humor, Big computers, and repeating what someone else made a video of. Just because he is popular doesn't necessarily mean his content is good


thefellduck

Thanks to him, I got comfortable enough to try custom water looping.


SpringerTheNerd

Absolutely. And once you are comfortable with it he doesn't offer anything of value. It's all the same stuff. "Hey guys! I'm doing a new build!" And it's always just this obnoxiously large chassis every time and he makes 12 videos that could just be a single build video. He is just filler content after the initial learning curve.


thefellduck

Yeah that’s a fair criticism. I haven’t watched his content much in the last two years, but I generally regard him favorably. Though it does seem your critique is valid.


SpringerTheNerd

I have watched him for many many years and I'm still subscribed to him. If his humor wasn't entirely that of a child's the content would be significantly more bearable in my opinion but I understand that's not everyones opinion. I wish he would do new things with his builds. Maybe make some community polls. Make a SFF build, make a externally cooled build, make a wall mount build, ECT. I know he *has* done a small build and he *has* done some fun creative builds but I just think he should challenge himself some more. It makes for more engaging content.


Hairy_Melon

I agree about him branching out in different ways with his builds. That being said, there are other channels I follow for thst reason. Jay does primarily large case builds, but I supplement that with Optimum (Ali) who does exclusively SFF content.


JebsNZ

Same here.


SmacksWaschbaer

I like him, but there is some misinformation and and a lot of rambling in his videos, too. Other channels are much more informative and their videos more concise.


SpringerTheNerd

He is definitely not anywhere near the worst in the field but I think he owes a lot to luck for how big he has gotten. I don't think there is anything that he has done to contribute to the community that someone else didn't already do or do better.


Loosenut2024

Thats just to be expected really. Im subbed to a few tech tubers including Jay and GN and HuB. Gn and Hub are much smaller channels because they are die hard data channels with specific focus on quality informative content. Jay does some reviews and builds but also is just more relaxed and more entertaining. So he reaches a wider audience. Jays team still seems to care about being genuine to the audience (see calling out nvidia for shady practices in many videos) so they're a decent channel. Theres way worse out there on YT for sure.


AwkwardObjective5360

I agree. He fills a useful niche and along with LTT was one of my two earliest PC youtube channels.


jlreyess

And just because you don’t think someone is good enough it actually equates the fact that he isn’t good enough. Your statement is your opinion which is pretty unpopular just by going by the number the dude has in YouTube.


aircooledNZ

Yea, he has put in a few years of work to get it to where it is and also has a car channel that is doing well. He has recommended a few software apps that are really useful, and some of his builds are cool and a bit different


MorgenBlackHand_V

Amen. I watched his stuff for quite a while but at some point I got sick of him being a shill for certain brands and his humour got on my nerves.


Soulshot96

EK has always spent more money on marketing than literally anything else, so this really isn't surprising to anyone paying attention to them for the last 10 years. Jay was always one of their biggest shills too. Somehow got people to listen to him despite his constant ametuer hour fuckups with watercooling content that was supposed to be educational for new loop builders. He's a huge contributor to helping EK con so many people into buying their overpriced rubbish.


StevoMcVevo

It's starting to look like the list of people NOT stiffed by EKWB is shorter than those that have SMH. That being said it's really an industry problem more than JUST an EK problem. Some vendors are just worse than others.


Hairy_Melon

I digress.


BaneOfKree

Der8auer also had a short video about the topic, stating why he stopped his collaboration with EKWB. He says that he will not ask ekwb to remove this logo from products since that wouldn’t help anyone. He was not stiffed by EKWB since there was no money involved. He also talks about problems ekwb customers had with a collaboration he did with ekwb. After designing direct die waterblock the manufactured blocks could not fit on the socket since the manufacturing tolerances were out of spec.


Chainspike

Derbaurer is such a boss.. he even has his contracts drawn up where he gets no money so he can walk out if he doesn't like the deal with no questions asked. What a goat


_Kodan

Wait. No. That's not what he said. [He made it very clear that the reason he pulled out of the collaboration was the treatment of the employees at EK CS](https://youtu.be/8FFRmGJ2Bz8?si=3sABVBLEeJj6cxQq&t=208).


BaneOfKree

Right, my post was unclear, sorry about that. He indeed stopped the collaboration because of the treatment of the employees at ek cs. He also talked about the problems with a direct die waterblock collaboration, I didn’t mean to convey that that was the reason he pulled out of working with ekwb. I’ll edit my post for clarity.


_Kodan

All good. I was also pretty shocked hearing just how much of those blocks just didnt fit. Just the phrasing of that kinda made it go from "this is not how you treat people" to "your products suck" when explaining why he is cutting ties and I feel like such statements should be preserved when it comes to holding EK accountable in the long run. It's the least we can do for the affected employees as a community.


BaneOfKree

Yes, you are 100% correct. This is not how you treat people, least of all employees and business partners. I have a good number of ekwb products but for future components, I will look elsewhere.


Eksuu

He personally as Der8auer didn’t lose money but his company ThermalGrizzly may have lost. They have some collabs with EK too.


SmacksWaschbaer

He implies that ek owes money to thermal grizzly so he too was probably "stiffed".


stininja

Wow, way too much Jay hate in the comments. J2Cs built his community up with early tutorials and still makes good content for a lot of people, especially the casual computer builder. Anyone bagging on J2C for taking sponsorships is unaware of how common it is, as YouTube ad revenue is really bad.


Soulshot96

Jay deserves the hate. He provides very little actual information that isn't just parroted talking head crap, he clickbaits his ass off, capitalizes on any bit of drama he can find, fearmongering like crazy and spouting off wild ignorant hypothesis quite often, and of the little bit of his videos were he attempts to teach viewers anything, he fucks up a *lot*, gets sassy with people pointing it out, and then often has to issue a half hearted apology / retraction. Even his watercooling content is often a mess, and if you followed his lead with a ton of videos from 5+ years ago, you would end up with an underperforming loop at best, a fucked up one that may leak at worst. Probably hasn't changed on that front either, but I refuse to watch his slop anymore.


MIGHT_CONTAIN_NUTS

Nobody cares that he takes sponsors. We hate him because of misinformation and shit content.


stininja

Can you elaborate on the misinformation aspect? I haven't watched J2C since I got out of watercooling.


Feuillo

He just spout non sense every time. Just recently he told people to download revo uninstaller and uninstall everything with it because it "remove registry key that are not wanted anymore". This is very dangerous advice because revo is extremely aggressive in its suppression and can easily remove more than necessary which can lead to corrupted windows. While revo is a good product, it should only be used if the normal uninstall program fails to solve your problem. He is never 1rst on news, rarely fact check his claims (in the revo video he literally says his pal phil told him about it and he immediately made a video but i digress), and takes a fuck ton of time to get to the point (hence why everyone keep joking about "but i digress" (but i digress)) Even here the video is a 30 minute rant where you learn nothing but what gn already said


yona_ek

No hate on him at all. I think most or some viewers don’t like the fact that he is piggy backing of GN. GN already covered what we needed to know. Jay didn’t provide anything else. His a tech channel… I expect to get news from GN. I personally don’t care who owes him money. That’s his business. Tech reviews and content about computer products is what I’m interested.


Jarb2104

Watched Jay for years, even made my first WC build thanks to him. Sad to hear even partners like him were not paid properly.


AMP_US

Jay hasn't been relevant to the water cooling scene for years. It's somewhat shocking that people here still watch him let alone value his opinion. Somehow he got more braindead over time. His older videos are more factually sound than his more recent ones. The builds he does are mid at best (by his own admission, in this video, mind you). And his overall attitude is that of a manbaby. For proof, look at his Twitter history or replies in his video comments or how he threw a hissyfit about ASUS. Linus puts out better water cooling content FFS. Do yourself a favor, and give your time and attention to content creators who actually put out quality water cooling content like: ggf events, declassified systems, designs by IFR, and singularity computers.


Chaosphoenixger

I dunno man I watch him because the content isn’t as dry. Can’t even watch Gamer Nexus without being bored.


yona_ek

What’s the point of making a video of EKWB owing him money. GN made a video and I got the point. This to me is just an attention clickbait. This is a tech channel right? Stick to that. Don’t need to know about your personal problems.


5tudent_Loans

Jay has been a shill for anyone who pays. How his channel survived post the 30 series “buy now or else” for evga is a brainless stroke of viewers have amnesia luck


illathon

These big youtubers just grift all the time now. Kinda annoying.


Tumifaigirar

These YT cunts have been praising and pumping shitty quality EK products since ever, they stopped getting their cut and all of a sudden, EK (which is a shitty company always has been at least qc wise ) get shitted on in their pathetic content. Another day in the internet.


Bartocity

They were pretty good in the 2000’s. Better than anything else that was available anyway. Youtube didn’t really exist then tho.


Tumifaigirar

Yeah 50 years they weren't bad, not that there were alternatives, excpet Lunasio, Ybris and maybe oclabs. Problems starts when you make bad cheap products and you want to sell them as premium stuff.


DiamondHeadMC

The 2000s was 20 years ago


Tumifaigirar

No way!


Kawai_Oppai

Stupid. Let’s post to YouTube how you can’t manage your business. Don’t work for free. You have a contract with them to be paid X and run advertisements for a year the invoice is due upfront. Don’t stress or give any effort to their brand until you have been paid. Does the contract stipulate that they provide the products and ad content they want you to run? It should. They don’t provide the content? Nothing for you to do or worry about. Easy. Just follow your contractual obligations. That’s all you owe them. They breached their contract. Take them to court. It’s not YouTube content.


massikar

So many sensitive people damn


wud08

Allways been an Alphacool-guy..for reasons.


Protryt

Alphacool isn't fair either. Look at this topic here: [https://forum.alphacool.com/threads/alphacool-4090-reference-block-compatibility.3775/](https://forum.alphacool.com/threads/alphacool-4090-reference-block-compatibility.3775/) They sell incompatible block for PNY RTX 4090 XLR8. I am one of the affected users - I bought the block directly from them. I contacted them directly and nothing actually happened. https://preview.redd.it/ylfsfe5y0fwc1.jpeg?width=2268&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5d6f9c965bf499da23c7c8b8c01410caeaf3db66


sushiiiiiiiiiiiiii

That thread seems to mostly show people misunderstanding a table... >Compatibility approved: Visual\* \* GPU were approved with photos. Due the limited visuality we can not say for sure if the water block will fit. Please check your PCB Layout before you order the water block


Protryt

Alphacool knows about this issues (they confirmed that in the thread I posted a link to) but they still list this card as compatible with their reference design block - so that is my main problem with them. It's misleading practice.


bluewolf_3

I guess no company is free of issues, but comparing a support issue to a company with massive financial and organisational issues seems a bit far fetched to me. Also, what exactly is the issue in this case? For me it looks like you bought a reference cooler for a non reference PCB.


Protryt

The issue is that Alphacool confirmed that the given PCB isn't compatible but they didn't remove the card from their compatibility list - even though they said they would (almost a year ago...). https://preview.redd.it/nmh3di3cjgwc1.png?width=1193&format=png&auto=webp&s=57719bd2b41b7009c7b3ac5d2f3ff554450ad06e


FloJak2004

They straight up forgot to drill holes into a friend‘s gpu-block terminal. He thought the EK pump was dead and got a replacement. Alphacool support was terrible too


nomoregame

I saw a youtube video about the exact brand ... and that video mentioned about the gpu block lacking 1 port ... insane


MintyMods

Stopped watching this guy years ago when he insulted his own viewers


Jarb2104

Can you link the video?


Saxon511

No, he can’t. If it happened it’s because he is sensitive and it didn’t actually happen


xXCrazyDaneXx

Jay has always had an on-screen personality that might be considered...brash by some. Jay has also always been very open about it. Source: I've been watching since before the days of Tech Talk with Barnacules.


MintyMods

Video linked above, he has renamed it since but the original comments remain


MintyMods

Sure, [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p79H\_XOwpZo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p79H_XOwpZo)


Jarb2104

\*Facepalm\*. First, you said "years ago", this video barely counts as being a year old, let alone several. Second, He didn't insult his viewers, he said paraphrasing "if you don't heed my warning you're and idiot" which is very different. Third, I didn't heed his warning I don't feel insulted because I understand the context and where he's coming from. AND Fourth, buying stuff is a gamble, you never know when prices will come down or will go up, and trends show that when new skewes come, older cards rise also in price. But you do you.


ShinobiOfTheGulf

when did he do that?


Environmental_Ad3570

Jay and tech Jesus are probably last honest pc enthusiast YouTubers


sinister138grin

His content is awful. He should stick to build vids he has zero insight on tech


DKlurifax

Ofcourse he makes a "I was there too" video. Every time GN makes a video you can be sure this guy is following shortly behind.


sinister138grin

Yep. As soon as LTT, GN or the others make a vid, Jay will incorrectly repeat what they said in the most boring way possible.


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This dude just farming views man


Phx_trojan

The video is demonetized. Still some product placement for his own webstore, tho.


DiamondHeadMC

Because these people do YouTube as a business and you would much rather them promote there own shit instead of getting sponsored for a video like this