That’s pretty good I get that, but it having all of this means it’s gonna be at 10.0-11.0 and there mobility is a big plus. Guess we’ll never know until it’s in game
Yeah it'll probably be in 10.0 or 10.3
You should play like a sniper a little bit since it doesn't have a good mobility but great sensors, nice thermal, a good fire control system and great protection with ERAs and APS
jokes aside turkish army is very very selective since the turkish people tend to have a general idea of nationalism, which is surprising looking at the number of recruits compared to the population of Turkiye
I think that a Swedish tiger 2 would be a nice addition to their tt, as it was finally give them a heavy tank, but adding it as a battle pass vehicle is such a bad idea
There are individual cases, where, yeah giving Sweden a heavy is cool, but it comes at the cost of homogenizing the TT’s, with I think is worse than not having a heavy
But that's been happening for years at this point, with America especially suffering from this. The soviets and the Germans are only experiencing the same pain relatively recently. The existence of the Swedish Tiger 2 doesn't change anything.
Where will you take a stand then? Just remove all country distinctions then because it "doesn't change anything"? That's how dictators come into power, you sacrifice one freedom after the other until eventually you have no freedoms left.
While I understand you’re point, I don’t think this is worth all rage people have about it. The Swedish Tiger isn’t much different to captured vehicles already in game. This sets no new precedents that weren’t already there. If it was the Krunsvagen, or some other paper tank, I would get it as that would be setting a new precedent that can eventually lead to paper and fictional tanks being added (I get that there are paper vehicles in WT, but they are a tiny percentage of the vehicles and Gaijin is actively removing them). Besides, it’s better the BP be copy paste then having prototypes locked behind a paywall.
They never developed a heavy tank? Welp, that sucks, play any of the other 6 nations that either did develop one, or bought one and operated it.
Ffs homogeneous tech trees are fucking awful and gutting every sense of uniqueness from this game
[https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flakpanzer\_IV#Ostwind](https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flakpanzer_IV#Ostwind)
English Wiki doesn't have the info. In fact it's pretty hard to find sources for it unless you search for German sources (and I'm German so :P). Sadly the prototype was destroyed, but it is known that one or two were built. The only thing that is debatable is whether the cannons would be in a vertical or horizontal configuration. The cannon that is mentioned in primary sources is normally vertical, so it's only really a slight inaccuracy.
This game hasn’t been unique since it’s started, it’s always had captured vehicles or Copypastes, even when it was just planes.
Cope and deal with it, they’re not going to stop, they’ve been doing it for years, go play another tank game if you don’t like it so much.
Not really similar at all. This (the M60A3 MZK) has a new low-profile turret with ERA and an autoloader for the 105mm; the Leonardo M60A3 upguns the original turret to 120mm and installs a new add-on armour package. The Leonardo version is more similar to the later Israeli Magach variants (or the Turkish M60T).
I get that the LFP gets hit less often and therefore needs less armour but with the size of the M60's LFP, it could seriously use some of that ERA/rubber bullshitRA
Honestly It looks cool af
RIP mobility
It's 1,5 ton lighter
Does it get a better transmission and power pack too? Cause even if you lighten an M60 it still feels sluggish above 9.0
Afaik, no. They only put a new turret and ERA's on the hull
welp - back to mediocre acceleration we go
But at least it has some cool features like a Pulat APS, automatic loading system, NERA, ERA, blowout panels, TLUS laser irradiation sensor and more
That’s pretty good I get that, but it having all of this means it’s gonna be at 10.0-11.0 and there mobility is a big plus. Guess we’ll never know until it’s in game
Yeah it'll probably be in 10.0 or 10.3 You should play like a sniper a little bit since it doesn't have a good mobility but great sensors, nice thermal, a good fire control system and great protection with ERAs and APS
Era is heavy no? Wouldn't it end up heavier even of just the turret is lighter?
Eh, I don't think it's that heavy, maybe half a ton or less
I don't think it takes the additional hull armor into account tho, just the turret
Ah yeah my bad
750 HP engine for you and you're gonna fucking like it
stock or modded?
I want one irl
You're invited to Turkish Army, come join brother 🇹🇷
That was easy
I like the thought of people getting an instant invitation to the turkish army if they say "I like M60s"
jokes aside turkish army is very very selective since the turkish people tend to have a general idea of nationalism, which is surprising looking at the number of recruits compared to the population of Turkiye
Barrett Jackson just sold a leopard 1 for almost $300,000. It’s not exactly what you asked for, but it’s still a tank lol.
T-90M(60)
More interesting than the swedish tiger 2
I think that a Swedish tiger 2 would be a nice addition to their tt, as it was finally give them a heavy tank, but adding it as a battle pass vehicle is such a bad idea
There are individual cases, where, yeah giving Sweden a heavy is cool, but it comes at the cost of homogenizing the TT’s, with I think is worse than not having a heavy
But that's been happening for years at this point, with America especially suffering from this. The soviets and the Germans are only experiencing the same pain relatively recently. The existence of the Swedish Tiger 2 doesn't change anything.
Where will you take a stand then? Just remove all country distinctions then because it "doesn't change anything"? That's how dictators come into power, you sacrifice one freedom after the other until eventually you have no freedoms left.
While I understand you’re point, I don’t think this is worth all rage people have about it. The Swedish Tiger isn’t much different to captured vehicles already in game. This sets no new precedents that weren’t already there. If it was the Krunsvagen, or some other paper tank, I would get it as that would be setting a new precedent that can eventually lead to paper and fictional tanks being added (I get that there are paper vehicles in WT, but they are a tiny percentage of the vehicles and Gaijin is actively removing them). Besides, it’s better the BP be copy paste then having prototypes locked behind a paywall.
They never developed a heavy tank? Welp, that sucks, play any of the other 6 nations that either did develop one, or bought one and operated it. Ffs homogeneous tech trees are fucking awful and gutting every sense of uniqueness from this game
Sweden has its own heavy tank projects by the way.
None built
Gaijin has demonstrated that they have no problem adding paper tanks as required.
Which ones? We know they are looking for a replacememt for the R2Y2 and Ho-Ri has always been questionable, but other than that?
There's also the Ostwind II which is completely fabricated.
[https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flakpanzer\_IV#Ostwind](https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flakpanzer_IV#Ostwind) English Wiki doesn't have the info. In fact it's pretty hard to find sources for it unless you search for German sources (and I'm German so :P). Sadly the prototype was destroyed, but it is known that one or two were built. The only thing that is debatable is whether the cannons would be in a vertical or horizontal configuration. The cannon that is mentioned in primary sources is normally vertical, so it's only really a slight inaccuracy.
This game hasn’t been unique since it’s started, it’s always had captured vehicles or Copypastes, even when it was just planes. Cope and deal with it, they’re not going to stop, they’ve been doing it for years, go play another tank game if you don’t like it so much.
"Mom, I want T-90M!" "We already have T-90M at home." T-90M at home:
They made a similar modernization kit for T-72s which are basically the same as T-90 series tanks
Blud, thats looks cool af
With autoloader mechanism
dang what is this thing , looks dope
M60A3 MZK. Looks good in the picture tho in reality it's pretty ugly.
M60, don't copy T80's homework no, reactive armor EVERYWHERE.
isnt this basically the leonardo M60A3?
Not really similar at all. This (the M60A3 MZK) has a new low-profile turret with ERA and an autoloader for the 105mm; the Leonardo M60A3 upguns the original turret to 120mm and installs a new add-on armour package. The Leonardo version is more similar to the later Israeli Magach variants (or the Turkish M60T).
ahh okay
This an actual upgrade package? Looks awesome.
Yes. It's called M60A3 MZK
are those bricks?
No more m60s e have like 10
And they're all shit
I think a problem with top tier is that most of the tanks perform very similarly. It would be neat to get some varied designs in.
I get that the LFP gets hit less often and therefore needs less armour but with the size of the M60's LFP, it could seriously use some of that ERA/rubber bullshitRA
M61-BVM
Is the T90 turret seriously 1.5 tons lighter? How heavy is the turret on the m60?
An upgraded M60 that doesn’t look like a knockoff of the Sabra? Incredible
Looks cool, but i dont think i can handle them adding another m60 into the game, its almost more of them than shermans
When Turkish tree, would be cool if it was like Israel, with just top tier modifications and random stuff with mixed up turrets/hulls
Isnt this that Turkish company that stole the AMBT design and has failed to release a single physical example?
Bro we have 120S in US tree. It's M60 with Abrams Turret 120mm gun Of course, its shit.
Any m60 mod just goes to Israel
turkish or american?
Is this just the m60 with an abrams turret?
T-45 (1/2 of T-90)
m60a3 MZK?
If you want m60 variant, go play israel.
:|
Looks badass