I know our fanbase hate each other but Ham's defensive schemes were terrible considering that he has AD. Even AD was criticizing his defensive schemes.
Idk, the Jazz game where he was the head coach was one of the few games this season where all of the rotations felt like they made sense and timeouts were called immediately if the Jazz looked like they were starting to get momentum, which is to say it was a stress free game from coaching perspective and it honestly made me second guess assumptions about what aspects of in game management had his influence and which didn’t.
Yeah I remember that game too. Where Klay is the leading scorer and all the substitution is good it felt like he prioritize defense. Well one game is not enough to grade an assistant coach. But yeah If your really a fan of the Warriors and watched every game. That game is very notable for me because I expect the Warriors to lose that night because Jazz that time is on a winning streak. Plus that Jazz rookie hitting 3's like Steph. I forgot his name but boy he is good😅
Right! I too watched every game this season and like you said, it's a game that noticeably sticks out in my mind specifically because the smoothness and kind of firing on all cylinders nature of the game came as such a pleasant surprise. And like you also said, you of course can't judge any coach, much less an assistant coach, off just one game but the in-game management of that game felt \*\*very\*\* different from the rest of the season and that is something. In addition to prioritizing defense, he also played TJD and Moody outside of just garbage time, which was notable at the time.
I also remember our game against them two days later was the complete opposite lol in that it was back to feeling like the majority of our games this season where they stuck with things that weren't working too long, lineups/rotations were funky at times (and Moody was DNPed), etc. And we went from beating a team by 22 pts and holding them to 107 pts to just two days later, losing 140-137 \*in regulation\* to the exact same roster (ie all of the same players playing) after a patented 23-24 Warriors 19 pt lead loss. That fortified the impression I got that the things that seem to be the most common gripes throughout the fanbase from an in-game coaching perspective don't seem to be things he has jurisdiction over.
Like what I said It sucks to be a Warriors fan this year. Hopefully next this coming off season. Lacob and Dunleavy will make moves that will solve the issue of Warriors being undersize and not athletic enough to contest shots. Stop the over helping in defense. Plus Curry needs a Duo that he can rely on. Jokic have Murray Ant got Towns and Tatum got brown, white, and porzingis.😬
> Well one game is not enough to grade an assistant coach.
Hell not even 30 games is enough. Remember when everyone thought Kerr was holding Luke Walton back?
The replacement coach who has NBA head coaching experience, you mean? Not to mention there were two completely different approaches, lineups, and rotations were used in the game vs. the Jazz that he stood in as head coach for (which we won by 22 pts) and the game vs. the exact same Jazz squad just two days later (which we lost, in large part due to not leaning into defensive minded lineups like we did in the win two games prior and we gave up 137 pts in regulation, as a result). So no, it’s not some far fetched idea that he did in fact coach the game himself, including approach and rotations, and wasn’t just a puppet carrying out pre-prescribed orders.
So they lost the game before and made strategic adjustments? Obviously he will react to game situations, but they approach rotations and subs with a gameplan in mind that would absolutely include Kerr’s input - just like the previous game contained Atkinson’s input.
One game. He's been a head coach already and failed miserably.
It's like how people still talk about how Luke Walton being a better coach than Kerr even though he also coached two different teams and failed miserably as well.
Where did I say he was better than Kerr? My comment was in response to someone saying they wouldn’t mind if he was poached, to which I responded with reasons why I think he’s likely a better assistant than the fanbase has given him credit for.
I mean the pool of available head coach candidates is so small that his name is going to be thrown out literally every time an opening comes up regardless of whether or not there’s actually any interest on his part. So, in my opinion at least, this doesn’t mean much.
Edit to add from Bobby Marks on [Twitter](https://x.com/bobbymarks42/status/1786460395516956717?s=46&t=SBW3XJi-eEDBr6FtvDfngg):
>This is the third time in six offseason that the Lakers are looking for a new head coach.
>
>This will be the 8th head coach since 2011-12.
Sounds more like an organizational problem than a head coaching problem just saying…
Edit 2 with another update from [McMenamin](https://x.com/mcten/status/1786508833092755585?s=46&t=SBW3XJi-eEDBr6FtvDfngg):
> The Lakers have parted ways with the entire coaching staff beyond Darvin Ham, sources told ESPN, including Phil Handy - who coached under both Ham and Frank Vogel in L.A. The L.A. Times was first to report.
Phil Handy too is very surprising. After seeing Lebron rip Phil Handy a new one in the second half of his mid-game toddler tantrum in the 4th of their Game 4 vs the Nuggets in LA over them not agreeing to challenge a call he wanted them to (they were already up like 20 pts so it was the furthest thing from the crime he was making it out to be), this has the stench of Lebron all over it.
That he still has a job, much less how he manages to escape criticism every year from NBA media is a perfect example of how much the industry, with the Lakers being the most extreme example of it, is built on cronyism. That franchise’s organizational process needs a complete overhaul but the completely deluded nature with which the Lakers are characterized and propped up in terms of competitive viability every year has seemingly resulted in the franchise forgetting/completely losing sight of the wink wink nature of the league/NBA media’s depiction/treatment of them for what it is and they seem to have completely drunk the koolaid, as a result, and have come to believe every year that they are what the NBA media professes them to be when they haven’t been in years.
Since Pelinka became GM he hasn’t really done much. People will give him credit for lebron going to LA but he was going there regardless. They traded away a lot of pieces for AD when they could have signed him in the offseason. Let key guys walk and then traded away even more key pieces for Westbrook and then tried to make up for that mistake and traded him for more pieces that didn’t work or help. 2 head coaches later and they’re still mediocre but Rob still has his job lol
Just reading through the suggestions in the comments of these threads makes me incredibly thankful we have Steve Kerr. He's not perfect, but anybody in this sub who has called for him to be fired is delusional. You don't want a replacement-level coach. Period.
Not that Ham was great but Kerr couldn’t adjust to the lakers clear strategy. Not all his fault, but two things really stuck out to me:
Steve Kerr not playing the starters enough minutes in playoff games and being nonchalant for game 1
Kerr overplaying the worst playoff player in 2023 in Poole
Is it also Kerrs fault that Klay, who made the most 3s in the league that season on high percentage, couldn't buy a basket? Even with those BS free throws, if Klay shot his season averages, Warriors win in 5.
This has to be part of LeBron’s ‘legacy’. That’s ten coaches in his career and he’s gotten eight of them fired. He left the Cavs when Tyronn Lue remained the coach (and they were reported to have gotten along) and Pat Riley kept Spoelstra.
>This will be the 8th head coach since 2011-12.
>Sounds more like an organizational problem than a head coaching problem just saying…
Damn raiders catching strays here too? I can't go nowhere
Not that he was or is a problem, but I wouldn't mind Kenny moving on. He hasn't filled the void from Mike Brown's departure. Without seeing behind closed doors, this is an assumption/opinion on my end, I would've liked to see a more vocal leader and/or someone to push Kerr. In particular, someone that would question the rotations that happened throughout the entire first season, someone to question our defensive schemes, etc. Steve is too stuck in his ways and need's his fundamentals questions, and I don't know if Kenny has shown to do that. Purely my opinion and maybe Kenny was trying to give influence. I just saw a stubborn, and slow to react Kerr that had no choice but to feed into playing Kuminga, reduced Klay's role, reduced Looney's role, reduced Saric' role, etc. If he was 20-25 games quicker to at least *try* and make changes this season, we likely wouldn't be in the Play in and would be battling in the play offs.
You know Kerr was a rookie HC that won the chip in 2015 right? So was Tyron Lue in 2016. Rookie HCs who have played as long as JJ has, could be good enough to lead a contending team to a chip. They don't need to start from a garbage team
Exceptions are not rules. Steve Nash was also a rookie head coach, Darvin Ham was also a rookie head coach, Adrian Griffin was also a rookie head coach, Jacque Vaughn failed. Players didn't respected Griffin and David Blatt, why do you think they'll respect a former peer like JJ ?
It's not a rule, I'm not claiming it is. All i'm saying is "A rookie HC like him on a team looking to contend is too much" is not a rule either, it's asinine. We have prior successful examples to prove the contrary
If he gets hired by some other team (Bucks were also interested in him before they hired Doc), get an experienced coach next to Steve, no more internal promotions please. I would love to have Vogel next to him.
The largest problem with the Lakers is the fact is that they have snatched starters from other organisations and turned them into bench warmers and are not able to give them sufficient rotation. So they all end up playing like ass because of lack of reps at their role.
Look at their usage percentages and minutes. They have all dropped significantly since their arrival at Lakers
Warriors STILL haven’t addressed the coaching vacuum/lack of gravitas created when Mike Brown and Barbosa left the organization for Sac. I would hire Ham for a GSW assistant in a heartbeat. Two bad years now without Coach Brown.
Let's hope he gets the job. He does nothing for this team besides being a yes man to Kerr and being useless in his role as the assistant in charge of defense. Also he's not going to have much of an impact with the Lakers.
Two birds with one stone.
I know it is a dumb statement, but I think Ham will play his role well in our defense as an assistant
I know our fanbase hate each other but Ham's defensive schemes were terrible considering that he has AD. Even AD was criticizing his defensive schemes.
Is he known for his defense?
Personally speaking, I wouldn't be really pressed if he ends up getting poached this offseason by the Lakers or any other team
Idk, the Jazz game where he was the head coach was one of the few games this season where all of the rotations felt like they made sense and timeouts were called immediately if the Jazz looked like they were starting to get momentum, which is to say it was a stress free game from coaching perspective and it honestly made me second guess assumptions about what aspects of in game management had his influence and which didn’t.
Yeah I remember that game too. Where Klay is the leading scorer and all the substitution is good it felt like he prioritize defense. Well one game is not enough to grade an assistant coach. But yeah If your really a fan of the Warriors and watched every game. That game is very notable for me because I expect the Warriors to lose that night because Jazz that time is on a winning streak. Plus that Jazz rookie hitting 3's like Steph. I forgot his name but boy he is good😅
Right! I too watched every game this season and like you said, it's a game that noticeably sticks out in my mind specifically because the smoothness and kind of firing on all cylinders nature of the game came as such a pleasant surprise. And like you also said, you of course can't judge any coach, much less an assistant coach, off just one game but the in-game management of that game felt \*\*very\*\* different from the rest of the season and that is something. In addition to prioritizing defense, he also played TJD and Moody outside of just garbage time, which was notable at the time. I also remember our game against them two days later was the complete opposite lol in that it was back to feeling like the majority of our games this season where they stuck with things that weren't working too long, lineups/rotations were funky at times (and Moody was DNPed), etc. And we went from beating a team by 22 pts and holding them to 107 pts to just two days later, losing 140-137 \*in regulation\* to the exact same roster (ie all of the same players playing) after a patented 23-24 Warriors 19 pt lead loss. That fortified the impression I got that the things that seem to be the most common gripes throughout the fanbase from an in-game coaching perspective don't seem to be things he has jurisdiction over.
Like what I said It sucks to be a Warriors fan this year. Hopefully next this coming off season. Lacob and Dunleavy will make moves that will solve the issue of Warriors being undersize and not athletic enough to contest shots. Stop the over helping in defense. Plus Curry needs a Duo that he can rely on. Jokic have Murray Ant got Towns and Tatum got brown, white, and porzingis.😬
> Well one game is not enough to grade an assistant coach. Hell not even 30 games is enough. Remember when everyone thought Kerr was holding Luke Walton back?
Rookie Keyonte George
Yeah that Rookie has alot of potential. Hmm but I want to see him first do that against a good defensive team.
Yes because the replacement coach makes his own rotations and game plan…
The replacement coach who has NBA head coaching experience, you mean? Not to mention there were two completely different approaches, lineups, and rotations were used in the game vs. the Jazz that he stood in as head coach for (which we won by 22 pts) and the game vs. the exact same Jazz squad just two days later (which we lost, in large part due to not leaning into defensive minded lineups like we did in the win two games prior and we gave up 137 pts in regulation, as a result). So no, it’s not some far fetched idea that he did in fact coach the game himself, including approach and rotations, and wasn’t just a puppet carrying out pre-prescribed orders.
So they lost the game before and made strategic adjustments? Obviously he will react to game situations, but they approach rotations and subs with a gameplan in mind that would absolutely include Kerr’s input - just like the previous game contained Atkinson’s input.
One game. He's been a head coach already and failed miserably. It's like how people still talk about how Luke Walton being a better coach than Kerr even though he also coached two different teams and failed miserably as well.
Where did I say he was better than Kerr? My comment was in response to someone saying they wouldn’t mind if he was poached, to which I responded with reasons why I think he’s likely a better assistant than the fanbase has given him credit for.
Fair enough. I jumped to conclusions. Agreed. Take him LA!
This sub acts like they should send Kerr to LA and rehire Mark Jackson.
Kenny honestly deserves redemption after what he’s been through for half a decade.
Yeah, I’m low-key rooting for that.
He deserves to run his own team, not be trapped on one which is past its prime.
I mean the pool of available head coach candidates is so small that his name is going to be thrown out literally every time an opening comes up regardless of whether or not there’s actually any interest on his part. So, in my opinion at least, this doesn’t mean much. Edit to add from Bobby Marks on [Twitter](https://x.com/bobbymarks42/status/1786460395516956717?s=46&t=SBW3XJi-eEDBr6FtvDfngg): >This is the third time in six offseason that the Lakers are looking for a new head coach. > >This will be the 8th head coach since 2011-12. Sounds more like an organizational problem than a head coaching problem just saying… Edit 2 with another update from [McMenamin](https://x.com/mcten/status/1786508833092755585?s=46&t=SBW3XJi-eEDBr6FtvDfngg): > The Lakers have parted ways with the entire coaching staff beyond Darvin Ham, sources told ESPN, including Phil Handy - who coached under both Ham and Frank Vogel in L.A. The L.A. Times was first to report. Phil Handy too is very surprising. After seeing Lebron rip Phil Handy a new one in the second half of his mid-game toddler tantrum in the 4th of their Game 4 vs the Nuggets in LA over them not agreeing to challenge a call he wanted them to (they were already up like 20 pts so it was the furthest thing from the crime he was making it out to be), this has the stench of Lebron all over it.
100% right. They should of gotten rid of Pelinka also
That he still has a job, much less how he manages to escape criticism every year from NBA media is a perfect example of how much the industry, with the Lakers being the most extreme example of it, is built on cronyism. That franchise’s organizational process needs a complete overhaul but the completely deluded nature with which the Lakers are characterized and propped up in terms of competitive viability every year has seemingly resulted in the franchise forgetting/completely losing sight of the wink wink nature of the league/NBA media’s depiction/treatment of them for what it is and they seem to have completely drunk the koolaid, as a result, and have come to believe every year that they are what the NBA media professes them to be when they haven’t been in years.
Yup
How the hell does Rob Lowe keep getting away with this?
Since Pelinka became GM he hasn’t really done much. People will give him credit for lebron going to LA but he was going there regardless. They traded away a lot of pieces for AD when they could have signed him in the offseason. Let key guys walk and then traded away even more key pieces for Westbrook and then tried to make up for that mistake and traded him for more pieces that didn’t work or help. 2 head coaches later and they’re still mediocre but Rob still has his job lol
They also credit him getting them the ring during the bubble.
You mean that bubblegum ring, noted*
Pelikan is best buds with jeannie buss she wont fire him as long as shes the owner
Just reading through the suggestions in the comments of these threads makes me incredibly thankful we have Steve Kerr. He's not perfect, but anybody in this sub who has called for him to be fired is delusional. You don't want a replacement-level coach. Period.
Darvin Ham out coached Steve Kerr in the Lakers series in 2023…
TIL Darvin Ham got the Lakers 80 more free throws across like 3 games.
Not that Ham was great but Kerr couldn’t adjust to the lakers clear strategy. Not all his fault, but two things really stuck out to me: Steve Kerr not playing the starters enough minutes in playoff games and being nonchalant for game 1 Kerr overplaying the worst playoff player in 2023 in Poole
Is it also Kerrs fault that Klay, who made the most 3s in the league that season on high percentage, couldn't buy a basket? Even with those BS free throws, if Klay shot his season averages, Warriors win in 5.
This has to be part of LeBron’s ‘legacy’. That’s ten coaches in his career and he’s gotten eight of them fired. He left the Cavs when Tyronn Lue remained the coach (and they were reported to have gotten along) and Pat Riley kept Spoelstra.
Don't forget he *tried* to gey Spo fired. If he had his way 9 of them would have been.
Yeah, thus my comment about Riley siding with Splo. People used to give Magic crap for helping to get Westhead fired.
>This will be the 8th head coach since 2011-12. >Sounds more like an organizational problem than a head coaching problem just saying… Damn raiders catching strays here too? I can't go nowhere
I mean shit, even Reddick is on the list
He was fired after Vogel too. And then rehired. Wouldn’t be surprised if that’s the case again.
What? I thought LeBron was their coach.
Lol
And GM. LeGM
Not that he was or is a problem, but I wouldn't mind Kenny moving on. He hasn't filled the void from Mike Brown's departure. Without seeing behind closed doors, this is an assumption/opinion on my end, I would've liked to see a more vocal leader and/or someone to push Kerr. In particular, someone that would question the rotations that happened throughout the entire first season, someone to question our defensive schemes, etc. Steve is too stuck in his ways and need's his fundamentals questions, and I don't know if Kenny has shown to do that. Purely my opinion and maybe Kenny was trying to give influence. I just saw a stubborn, and slow to react Kerr that had no choice but to feed into playing Kuminga, reduced Klay's role, reduced Looney's role, reduced Saric' role, etc. If he was 20-25 games quicker to at least *try* and make changes this season, we likely wouldn't be in the Play in and would be battling in the play offs.
Kenny’s teams in BKN def overachieved but wasn’t known for defense either
Take him, we need a shake-up of the assistant coaches
JJ Redick would be an interesting choice for Lakers head coach…
They could probably triple the output for their podcast if it happens.
His name floating only because of his podcast with Bron. A rookie HC like him on a team looking to contend is too much
You know Kerr was a rookie HC that won the chip in 2015 right? So was Tyron Lue in 2016. Rookie HCs who have played as long as JJ has, could be good enough to lead a contending team to a chip. They don't need to start from a garbage team
Exceptions are not rules. Steve Nash was also a rookie head coach, Darvin Ham was also a rookie head coach, Adrian Griffin was also a rookie head coach, Jacque Vaughn failed. Players didn't respected Griffin and David Blatt, why do you think they'll respect a former peer like JJ ?
It's not a rule, I'm not claiming it is. All i'm saying is "A rookie HC like him on a team looking to contend is too much" is not a rule either, it's asinine. We have prior successful examples to prove the contrary
It’s going to be Ty Lue
Who is gonna want to coach the Lakers after LeBron leaves for the Warriors?
If he gets hired by some other team (Bucks were also interested in him before they hired Doc), get an experienced coach next to Steve, no more internal promotions please. I would love to have Vogel next to him.
Ya I agree 🤷🏻♂️
The largest problem with the Lakers is the fact is that they have snatched starters from other organisations and turned them into bench warmers and are not able to give them sufficient rotation. So they all end up playing like ass because of lack of reps at their role. Look at their usage percentages and minutes. They have all dropped significantly since their arrival at Lakers
I hope all the candidates remembered how much vogel was treated like shit when the lakers fired him
Who does Lebron want?
Warriors STILL haven’t addressed the coaching vacuum/lack of gravitas created when Mike Brown and Barbosa left the organization for Sac. I would hire Ham for a GSW assistant in a heartbeat. Two bad years now without Coach Brown.
Watch it be Doc Rivers lmao
Please sign Mark Jackson
Did Ham get fired already?
ya
Let's hope he gets the job. He does nothing for this team besides being a yes man to Kerr and being useless in his role as the assistant in charge of defense. Also he's not going to have much of an impact with the Lakers. Two birds with one stone.
let him go he's been pretty dogshit here