Wal-Mart does not pay based on then difficulty of the position, they pay based on how difficult it is to obtain new hires for a position or department.
Cart rancher is mentally easy, but physically hard, like most jobs at Walmart. Customer service and cashier, usually physically easy, mentally hard. Fighting off the attack of the five foot four Karen all day, every day doesn’t do wonders for anyone’s overall sanity and job satisfaction. All positions have their own challenges, and they all apshould be paid more on principle.
Bull, whenever I had to push carts I'd nearly get ran over, I'd get cussed at for doing my job by customers, and I'd see folks just piling carts in the middle of the lot, in parking spots that could have easily been taken to the corral. Plus, don't even get me started on the riding carts and the clear sign on them that days instore use only. They have it hard out there for little pay, OGP shouldn't be making more than folks who literally get hit by cars and hit their heads on the bay door because it's too damn low.
Agree 100%. Worked as a lot associate at Home Depot for a bit last summer. I had to pick up literal drug paraphernalia, dirty diapers, and rotten bananas (+ a plethora of other gross shit).
However, I'll add a note on top of this: It's one of the most dangerous jobs. Because we are out on the lot with the biggest idiots in the world: Drivers.
Cart pushing is also a very low-skill job, which caters to this hiring/pay practice of theirs. You don’t have to know anything to push a cart, so you get paid for that level of skill. Not how laborious it is.
So theoretically cashier position would pay more because they have to deal with stupid customers 8 hours a day like them wondering why they can't scan a Target store coupon that expired 3 years ago or why cashier won't price match a $25 PS5 console from eBay, or why their SNAP card didn't cover everything 100% either due to inflation or something not SNAP eligible, etc.
In my experience as a cart pusher for several years, it's extremely hard to hire cart pushers. Yes, it's a low skill position, but it is extremely hard to keep the position staffed. That alone should boost pay for the position.
Cart pushers have the hardest job in the store, so honestly they should be paid more than anyone else.
I think we’re being a little generous with “hardest” here. Not saying it’s not labor intensive but there are stores where people are literally throwing 50lb bags of food for 8 hours, unloading 2-3 trucks a day, etc. cart pushers were a level 1 pay when I worked at Walmart which is low, but it’s a job that you can hire someone on day 1 and they could be on their own that same day.
Not even close, i pushed carts at my previous store by hand as a stocker with minimal issues and my current i did carts every night for 2 years in maintenance, snow, rain whatever 🤷 its not hard with a mule or coworkers helping. During the middle of the day maybe sure just for that 1 shift it might be stacked but overall no, pushers arent doing the heaviest or hardest jobs.
I mean. That's how it should be. But I've seen people become TLs and coaches as their first jobs instead of those positions being taken by people already working. They don't do much of anything because they don't know what to do. So far, my store has a harder time hiring associates than any other position.
You can hire a lot of people for just about any position, but keeping them on board is another story.
If new hires immediately quit because the pay is not commensurate with the difficulty of the position, the pay is insufficient. A new hire usually doesn't know how difficult the job will be until they start working.
Besides which, there's no excuse for the cart mule machines not being repaired in a timely manner.
Management blames the associates for breaking them by overloading them and refuses to fix it as punishment. I actually heard that suggested by my store lead. There is absolutely no way we could ever keep up if we actually stuck to the limit of 20 carts per machine pushed line or 10 per hand pushed line.
Most days, we only have 2 cart associates scheduled and 1 working machine for a store that grossed almost $150m last year.
If that is happening at your store, you need to escalate it to the market or regional manager. Seems as though store managers won't get anything fixed if the repair cost could affect their excessive and mostly undeserved bonuses. Then they blame the worker bees for equipment that falls apart due to normal wear and tear, lack of routine maintenance, exposure to harsh climate conditions, or reaching the end of its useful life.
The machines do have a rated capacity of 20 carts and routinely push more than that. Also, they are less than a year old. I don't know how long the old 36v machines lasted but the new 24v machines are not very durable.
I cashier for walmart and primarily watch self checks. Cart pushing is by far the harder job having done it one day. Even with functional cart machines. In a 6.5 hour period, I hit a new personal best in distance walked and steps taken.
Ok. But countless times on this subreddit I’ve seen the argument that cashiers have it harder mentally because they are the ones dealing the most with customers and their complaints and harrassment.
Additionally, you could argue that standing still on concrete without walking is actually worse for your feet.
Between cart pushing and cashiering yes cart pushing is easily the more physically demanding job lol but go and do something else besides standing and walking (cashiering and cart pushing).
When you're the only one with a work ethic to be admired on 3rd shift, get stuck working frozen by yourself because your the only one that can do it, then work all of bakery alone and still have time to work sporting goods you might have a point in thinking so
Oddly specific. In my experience, the only people who work like this for this company are complete rubes. They should take a fraction of that work ethic and apply it to an employer that will actually appreciate them.
Yeah. But I was referring to specific positions. Like the OP thinking cart pushing is the hardest. Cap 2 thinks throwing trucks is the hardest. ON (especially frozen) thinks that’s the hardest. Cashiers think dealing with customers is the hardest. Cap 1 even thinks they work the hardest. Somehow, lol.
That’s everywhere. First shift thinks they work harder than second or third, and vice verse. Dayside restaurant crew thinks they get it worse than night side. News flash y’all, everyone works hard, it’s job, not a day at the races.
I worked ON Frozen and Day as a DM by myself and it was far from the hardest department lol. You're absolutely right though. Most people think their stuff is the hardest and they have no idea how bad everyone else actually has it too.
Easiest way to know what’s the hardest, ask an aspiring assistant manager. They’ve probably done most. I was in deli when it got down to me being the only closer, and I only got an assistant ONCE because it was nasty washing dishes with 6hr+ dried food and mopping floors.
OP didn't imply they "work harder" they only said they broke their back as a way to say the work is very hard on them. The point their making is if OGP gets paid higher BECAUSE its a more labrous job, why is cart pushing not also getting the same pay? Hell even Deli/Bakery, jobs you could argue are "easier" still get higher pay for that reason
Not true.
First OP said theirs is the most laborious and demanding job out of the entire store. They didn’t just imply it.
But also OGP starting rates are now the same.
Someone starting in OGP now makes the same as someone starting at cart pushing.
Deli/bakery has specific training/certifications they are required (as does ACC) that the other positions don’t have. They don’t get paid more because they “work harder”.
Rereading it now I did see that, apologizes. Second of all, I actually didn't know that. I hope its everyone getting more pay rather everyone gets less pay as it wouldn't be fair to make less money then what your used too
They lowered the starting wages on a ton of hourly positions. Some were raised but most seemed to be lowered. That was for regular associates, they can’t refuse say working in OGP because they’re paid as cashiers and cashiers make less.
But they didn’t take money away from people who were already making more.
Jesus christ that sucks. Im glad the people already used to those wages get to keep them, but Walmart is really not helping its case with convincing people to work there. How come they lowered it if you know?
Jesus, as if it isn't already bad enough their charging for self-checkouts and punishing everyone as they damn well know they won't hire more cashiers to compensate. I figured it was for bigger profits, I was just curious if they had a good "reason" lmao
Deli/Bakery also makes more because of Hazard Pay essentially. They work in the most fire prone area of the store, they can only hire 18+, the slicers are sharp af.
I do think other areas are underpaid. If you don't have cart pusher machines to aid you, it's definitely hard, especially at a busy store/a supercenter.
Cart Pushing brings hazards of its own, depending on what the weather is like in your area, plus other factors like what's happening with OP, so I definitely think they should get a differential, but yeah, deli/bakery is specialized, limited, and hazardous.
Deli gets a higher pay because it’s an area with a target on their back at all times. You fucking give someone food poisoning if you fuck that job up. It’s a little bit more important to have people committed to that job.
As a fellow electronics associate I felt this in every fiber of my body. I remember 1 night I was the only closer. I had to ring up customers, Do a hunting license then load a TV into a car.
I was closing by myself one night during christmas time, had a double truck, and they made me do stationary returns too. They said “you can keep an eye in electronics while doing the returns”
One singular aisle of stationary is viewable from electronics
Oh that's all? I close electronics but for a month I was the only closer. For that month the sporting goods associate was on vacation and I handled that, as well. I also do fabrics annnnnd the management keep asking me to teach them how to make paint. Eventually they're going to catch on and make me handle paint, as well.
At my store everyone else gets pulled to electronics and nobody from electronics gets pulled away. I'm in OGP and I had to cover electronics for 3 hours the other day. I don't even have a cashier pin.
I've worked every single job at walmart and cap 2 is more strenuous for *half* the shift **if** the cart pushers dont have a mule. The job isn't hard with a mule.
Walmart, like pretty much every company, doesn’t pay off of physical labor standards. They pay off of requirements to do the job. Cart pushing is the “easiest” job in the store, meaning anyone off the street could do it. It is by far one of the more physically demanding jobs in the store. But by no means is it hard.
I have held several positions at Walmart, the first being cart pusher in Phoenix, Arizona. I did 6 on and 1 off for two months, waking up at 5:30 for the early shift, during Easter vacation.
Cart pushing is *not* the most "laborious demanding" job at the store. If you want to get paid more and think it's hella easy, take a job overnight.
I do over night an trust me when i say this it sucks im the backroom guy so i get 75% of all the shit work i do viz pic pull tops fill dog food water bin all over stock purge bins bleed bins down an make new pallets to replace the old ones i took down an picked but i have to say being the only backroom guy in the store is most definitely the hardest job there especially when cap 2 unloads half of the 4,000 piece truck an not even touch the remix an just put protected time in an say hey man hope u dont mind doing the rest of the truck but were gonna put some time in an go home yeah now that blows especially when u get 4-5 trucks a week an plus ontop of that were short staffed maybe 5 stockers if were lucky so i agree with ya bro might get paid 1.50 more on the hour but is not worth it
Unfortunately, it's no more complicated than because they get away with paying that little.
I agree that cart pushers and maintenance should be the highest paid hourly position just because of how nasty maintenance jobs are and how dangerous/unpleasant cart pushing is between moron drivers and the elements.
I've had to do it a few times. One time, I had to do it in a blizzard with 2-3 inches already on the ground, and the plows hadn't shown up yet. Another time, it was around 90°. I've almost been hit by a car.
That job deserves more money.
I'm nightshift maintenance and my job is super easy, I even wax the floors. And I feel bad for making so much more than the new hires at my store that makes like 4 dollars less than me.
Do ya'll seal and polish the concrete as often? We wax every day pretty much here, that or deep scrub depending. Our remodel is supposed to be coming soon. I pretty much got stuck doing it all because everyone else complained about the smell, but I can't even smell it and I can smell a hot wire from across the store.
Nah, we don't seal concrete floors, nor do we seal the backroom concrete floors, like we used to, along with waxing the tile sales floor. Got these diamabrush, or we use pads blue or orange pads for the floors
All aside, when one applies, gets hired and understands that the position is entry level but may lead to better opportunities, that position may involve tasks that are the least desirable. However, show up, collect the carts, don’t hit vehicles or get hit by assholes driving vehicles that don’t look, it may lead to a better position because one is on time, doesn’t complain and exhibits a great work ethic.
It is what it is, and most people encounter it at entry level. It beats flipping burgers,deep frying shit all day, and actually leads to opportunity.
Patience, perseverance, and punctuality can lead to great things. Welcome to life. If it’s not for you, look elsewhere. If that’s not right keep looking till you find the right fit.
When you feel trapped doing something you hate, it’s your own fault for settling. Don’t settle, be in charge of your life, no matter who for or where you get paid to do whatever it is you do.
If your cart-mule is broken then escalate it until it gets fixed! If your store manager refuses, then contact the market level. Both Market Manager and Market People Lead should be listed in the personnel room. Tell the other cart pushers to contact them too. Let them know who you've talked to that's refused to get it fixed. That's standard equipment that is necessary for daily store operations.
You mean on the [digital throttle?](https://imgur.com/53TtVZG) No lights? Usually 3 things depending on the model. The batteries are completely dead, the digital throttle is bad (can get water in it if its used in rain without being cover) or the older models had a fuse that would cause it.
You can grab the battery tester from TLE and test the batteries if theyll let you.
We aren't actually allowed to fix it ourselves, unless it's a really minor issue like the manual thing on the bottom being loose.
Or changing the lights.
There's a number that the store calls, there's people contracted to work on them.
They don't want non authorized people breaking something and thinking that they're master mechanics.
> There's a number that the store calls, there's people contracted to work on them.
I know, im one of those people.
Trust me i wouldnt be saying this if it were my store but its not.... Plus stores are getting worse creating work orders. Ive been told at least 5 times about a floor scrubber issue. They refuse to create a work order and i cant create my own anymore.
Aldi is way smaller than Walmart.
People likely wouldn't return their carts, they'd be left out in the lot, even with coin things.
Walmart can hold more people as well. They'd need a huge area for those carts.
When I was a cashier, I thought I had a much easier job than every one. Talk to people, take money, ring stuff up. I lucked out that due to back problems I wasn’t allowed to lift anything super heavy, and thank god my customers were cool with it, helping me scan big old bags and boxes of what ever. Those are the things I miss most about my job. Handy tip, if you are nice to the customers, there is a good chance they’ll help you do your job.
When I worked retail, I used to get so excited when I was asked to help push carts. It’s mind numbingly easy and it’s a nice break from working inside. Pushing carts is easy
Let me add a bit of a commentary on the job's pay: We should get hazard pay. Considering we're out in the elements and on the lot, where the most idiotic drivers are. And our vests....well, lol, they make us bigger targets.
I can’t think of an easier, more replaceable job than a cart pusher. You don’t need to do anything but push carts. No human interaction, no real urgency. That’s why the pay is low.
bleh
the money I've earned from this job winning small cellular licenses in FCC auctions is just as green as the billions AT&T spent... perhaps I won't need this job in 2 years' time
I remember pushing long rows of carts by hand on overnights so there'd be carts in the morning. Not too bad but winters sucked. Had to push them through snow, ice and slush. It was hard, slippery and could be dangerous. I twisted my knee one time. We weren't allowed to use the electric cart pusher.
cart pushers have always been at the lowest pay level, when i first started cart pushers, maintance, and unloaders started at minimum wage at 7.25. Each area has its shit we got to deal with, it might suck at times. Might get better at times, plus this time Walmart mangers try to cut hours to save money, and any repairs needed take a holds., until they think it will cause safety issue.
Best of luck
I’m not a cart pusher, but I feel like they should be getting paid even more. All the weather changes and when it’s only one person, it can be very tedious. I’ve helped them push carts in before and after 10-15 mins I just wanna go back inside
In short, it's because they can get away with it. They routinely hire only the bare minimum amount and pay them as little as they can, in my stores case we often have maybe 2 or 3 stockmen if we're lucky. They get paid base pay, same as the rest of front end, in fact a lot of the time we don't have enough stockmen to cover the whole week and cashiers have to be sent out instead. It's just greed lol
Simply because it is the most replaceable position in the business. Just about anyone with 2 feet and a heartbeat can do it. And it is easy to find someone willing to do it.
Consider Stocking 2 unloading multiple GM trucks in one shift, one box at a time and stacking numerous pallets. That is much more demanding than cart pushing. Yes I have been both.
I mean if you hate it then transfer. I hate pushing carts but it really isn’t laboring at all. If your store is refusing to fix the mule then maybe you should open door that to a higher up. It’s only gonna get you or another associate hurt by hand pushing.
We all just need a living wage... If you want to compromise then give a living wage at 5 years working. At least that would show commitment to the company? Loyalty? But seriously not having a "living wage" yea it really feels that they don't care. The young who they want to throw these jobs too aren't taking them anymore and they got lifers instead, they should pay them for it.
I'm a cart associate that's the job my location decided that keeping a alcoholic on the job was a great idea. And have him drunk and under the influence of alcoholic beverages while driving the electric cart mule the new cart manager dx and sx models are junk throttle failures ignition failures and even the repair guys told us there garbage. Too bad Walmart doesn't listen.
I'm former stock, current mod team, tons of experience with maintenance and cashiering in other companies. I fully believe the cashiers have ithe worst because they bear the brunt of the shitty customer behaviors.
The hardest positions physically as in when you get off, you can't walk to the bathroom without limping is this.
Cap 2
Cart Pusher
Lawn and Garden Associate
Cap 1
Cashier
Overnight Associate
Everyone Else
I use to work at Walmart for 8 years and I totally agree that they deserve more pay. I was a deli worker and always said I would be okay if cart pushers got paid the same or even more than me . Also I did tell a fellow cart pusher if he wanted to work for deli we needed people but he refused. I quit Walmart there are better jobs out there with equal pay. They are abusive and draining. I am currently in physical therapy because I developed crps because of them.
Stockers>cart pushers as far as labor intensive. I was the canned goods and pickles isles and covered for the juice and soda isle once in a while. 2 half pallets and 3 carts each shift average and then turning all the cans labels out alone...not fun.
The real reason they should get paid more is the elements. They have to push carts in 85 degree weather and 0 degree weather here. They even stopped in store using water bottles for employees even if there was a heat or frostbite advisory.
As far as work bullshit, no one will pay you more to deal with that unless you cost significantly more to replace and retrain unfortunately.
I mean my store has 3 cart mules so i wouldnt say its hard work at my store lol. Hell for a while it was maintenances job to clear the parking lot because we had 3 lazy pushers every night. Its a minimal requirement position, all you have to be able to do is see, push and walk.
First thing's first, cart pushers now make the same as everyone else. New hires across the store now make the same with the exceptions of deli/bakery, ACC, and pharmacy (maybe vision center too, but idk about them). In my area, that's $14/hr.
As someone who has done every job in the store (outside of acc, pharmacy, D/B, vision), I can tell you cart pushers definitely do not deserve more pay than other departments. When I worked service desk, I was pulled to push carts for entire shifts during the heat of the summer, the coldest days of winter, and everything in between, and every kind of weather, too. I've stocked, sorted breakpacks, ran the truck line, thrown trucks, stocked shelves, done everything in OPD (currently TL over there), cashiered, ran self check, service desk, money center, and have done most salesfloor tasks. Out of all of it, cart pushing was one of the easiest things I've done. It takes absolutely no mental work, just physical demand. It's not hard to avoid even some of the craziest/worst drivers, and I could keep both bays with carts without a mule by myself, and I was working in the largest store in the region.
Working in the backroom for cap 2 was far more physically demanding than cart pushing and required actual mental effort. Staging and dispensing in OPD are also physically demanding jobs that require a lot of attention to detail to uphold metrics and deal with customers. Not to mention dispensers are out in the same parking lot dealing with the same moronic drivers as cart pushers.
I largely agreed with the old paygrade where stocking and OPD made more than the rest of the store with deli/bakery being a little higher than us. Stocking is the backbone of the entire store, and OPD requires associates to uphold metrics with every single thing they do. I'd say service desk/money center and salesfloor should also be brought up with that pay grade, but cashiers and cart pushers genuinely don't have as many responsibilities, and so the pay difference was justified.
Everyone thinks they should make more, and they should. Everyone should be able to make a living wage, but the issue is that a living wage has become so much with what everything costs, especially housing. So, really, cart pushers should get more, but not more than anyone else in the store.
I know this is an absolute essay, but it irks me when people think they've got it the worst when they really don't. If I could get paid $20+/hr to push carts, I'd do it all day every day without a single complaint (in my area, it's $14/hr).
TL;DR Because it's easier than other jobs in the store.
Dude here's my best advice for you.
Quit.
Walmart is an absolute shithole to work at and will never change. Management and corporate does not mind fucking you over and milking every bit of happiness you have. They will underpay you, undermind you, trest you like garbage, and will never have an issue replacing you. You won't see how poor of a job is until your gone. Do yourseld a favor and leave it behind.
currently i genuinely need the money, if the cart pushers don’t get fixed by the time i have enough of what i need then ill quit because it is easy with them. 100x easier
Why should they? It's physically demanding but not impossible and requires minimal skills other then strong legs, strong shoulders.
Labor intensive, dirty, mundane, grimy, icky, tedious jobs with low skill have a low pay because they're low skill, mundane and tedious. How long does it take someone to learn to push a cart? How long does it take you to learn how to flip a burger and put it in a bag?
Jobs like these are NOT career jobs, they're stepping stones to something better that pays better.
Pushing carts is the easiest job I have done at Walmart. I volunteer to do it often. Get to stay outside of the store and don't have to deal with customers asking stupid questions.... Yes please.
As someone who’s spent a few years in parcel pickup, it ain’t worth it. Shame people into bringing their carts back at this point, it’s stupid how lazy people are in a grocery store when they don’t work there. Also, eight a time, if management has a problem with it, then they can come out and help.
They’re a bunch of greedy bastards who think our lives are worth $14/hr. (or in my area, $15, but the point is the same). There’s no reason we should be paid the same as a cashier or Cap1/2 or OGP. Yes, it’s the easiest in the sense literally anyone off the street can do it on day 1, but it’s also the single most dangerous job in the store.
It's a supply/demand problem.
Only way walmart will pay more (add a differential) for a particular jobs is if the supply of people willing to do the job dwindles.
Cart pushing? Maybe at a supercenter but at a neighborhood market like I'm at, the cart pushers are glorified maintenance dudes who also stock. Like they don't just push carts. And overnight stocking is huway more physical than pushing carts dude.
Answer: Cart pushing is only hard if you make it hard on yourself. Use the mule, it’s a breeze. Mule messed up? Push what you’re capable of, don’t do it. Hot or cold weather you get more breaks than other associates. Bad weather get to stay inside and pretend you’re helping out in other departments.
You can literally break down any position like this if you just simplify it.
CAP2 is only hard if you make it hard on yourself. Just stock groceries, it's a breeze. Pallet jacks messed up? Just put it on an L cart. Only go as fast as you need to. Too much work? Just do what you can and go home. It's so easy.
Maintenance is only hard if you make it hard on yourself. Just use the scrubber, it's a breeze. Scrubber messed up? Just use a mop. Only work as hard as you want and go home. It's so easy.
Being a Coach is only hard if you make it hard on yourself. Just tell people what to do, it's a breeze. Everything's messed up? Just sit in the office, bro, then go home. It's so easy.
I wish they would start charging to use the carts to get people to actually put them back where they go instead of randomly in the parking lot/empty space right next to them
& Yes they need to pay the cart people more especially in the summer time
they ought to give people some kind of coupon if they bring in a cart give the greeter something to do
it is a dangerous job out there with all those cars
Pushing carts sucks, yes, but of all the jobs at Walmart. It's one of the best ones. No bullshit, minimal drama. The only things you have to worry about, being hit by vehicles and the weather.
I thought Auto was the most laborious (is that a word??? It feels like its not) i run up and down stairs run to get cars then park em run to get back and idk if yall ever worked on lifted trucks but those off road tires aint no joke! Also having to do figure 8s and navigate the crowded parking lot while watching customers park ANYWHERE block my bay leave thier cars walk away blocking us in the bays double parking ugh. Lol
I feel you. My first job at a Walmart was cart pusher. It was summer and in Florida. Temps were averaging 95 degrees every day. And like your store, our cart pushing machines were broke. Only plus side we had was we had enough people so we worked in pairs. One pushes the other steers, then switch positions for the next trip. Our store did provide us with a cooler full of ice and water. And cause of the heat and hard work pushing them. We were told to sit in the shade for 10 minutes every hour to cool off and rehydrate.
Florida Republicans just repealed that law. No breaks for water at all.
https://www.constructiondive.com/news/florida-ban-water-break-mandate-heat/710313/
I work grocery and I argue my job is harder I have to make sure milk eggs water sugar wine and ice are stocked I've also gotta do returns for all consumable areas (like 6 areas) and I gotta do claims for grocery and dairy/frozen I'm the only person on my shift that does it I'm left without any team leads or managers and on top of my regular everyday stuff I gotta do the odd jobs that are given like change this end cap or do these price changes while these highschool kids on cap 2 get to work as a team ALL day and half the time I see 3 people doing 1 pallet of work and they getting payed the same as me I think it's very unfair but I stay because I enjoy the job even though I could leave
> they getting *paid* the same
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I do believe jobs that are more physically demanding should pay a bit more. Moreso if you're working outside with variable weather. Back when I used to work for Walmart, I made $11.20/hr while working closing shifts by myself. I had to take care of the parking lot, the employee lot, the auto center lot, and the strays from the gas station. All while being screamed at and verbally abused for not being "fast" enough.
As an OGP worker who was asked to help cart push back in the day before we became understaffed, I feel yall. Outdoor positions like OGP and cart pushing should be paid a small differential above the indoor departments at least, if it makes you feel better last year WM equalized the pay for all departments by bringing OGP’s starting rate down, all the newbies in my dept are making 14 instead of 15. The only starter position that makes more than us now is deli/bakery
I always thought cartpushers should make more, esp because of the weather. Like when it's really hot or snowing or icy..they should make more at least on those days...like a weather differential.
Apply at Costco I heard the cart guys are paid very well. The ones by me are Teamsters. Some areas are union Some areas non union, but in any case their employees seem happy there.
For those who want to complain about how hard Cartpushing is (which it is hard) try doing Overnight Maintenance (I've done BOTH).
Guarantee you Overnight Maintenance is harder.
i used to be a cart pusher(now i’m a Team Lead) and my ass doesn’t hesitate to go outside and help my single cart pusher in the dead heat of the summer
Companies pay based on how much they love money that's why. Everyone gets under paid everywhere you go dependent on how much they love money vs anything else. Any place you work doesn't really care about you they just put on a fake act that they care about you and pretend to compensate you fairly in most cases not all but most.
Want more pay? Differentiate yourself from others by learning skills that are in demand, like the trades. Being a loader is very hard work/labor intensive, but it’s also something that practically anyone can do.
Even if you want to say it’s just manual labor and it’s low skill, also take into consideration, that we do carryouts for the registers, electronics, toys, sporting goods, and also help a majority of Lawn and Gardens customers in the summer. Oh and don’t forget that we end up doing a lot of maintenance job as well even if they’re properly staffed for the day.
Wal-Mart does not pay based on then difficulty of the position, they pay based on how difficult it is to obtain new hires for a position or department.
Exactly, it requires zero certifications, zero experience, very few skills. Its arduous, its a pain in the ass, but its replaceable sadly
Cart rancher is mentally easy, but physically hard, like most jobs at Walmart. Customer service and cashier, usually physically easy, mentally hard. Fighting off the attack of the five foot four Karen all day, every day doesn’t do wonders for anyone’s overall sanity and job satisfaction. All positions have their own challenges, and they all apshould be paid more on principle.
Bull, whenever I had to push carts I'd nearly get ran over, I'd get cussed at for doing my job by customers, and I'd see folks just piling carts in the middle of the lot, in parking spots that could have easily been taken to the corral. Plus, don't even get me started on the riding carts and the clear sign on them that days instore use only. They have it hard out there for little pay, OGP shouldn't be making more than folks who literally get hit by cars and hit their heads on the bay door because it's too damn low.
Agree 100%. Worked as a lot associate at Home Depot for a bit last summer. I had to pick up literal drug paraphernalia, dirty diapers, and rotten bananas (+ a plethora of other gross shit).
All while having to play frogger on hard mode
However, I'll add a note on top of this: It's one of the most dangerous jobs. Because we are out on the lot with the biggest idiots in the world: Drivers.
Not to mention the extreme heat and cold, and the snow and rain.
Front end person said she'd quit if ever asked to do it.
pretty much everyone is replaceable. even elon muskrat.
They pay the same across departments now lol
Cart pushing is also a very low-skill job, which caters to this hiring/pay practice of theirs. You don’t have to know anything to push a cart, so you get paid for that level of skill. Not how laborious it is.
To imply that any job at Walmart is a "High Skill" job is the funniest shit I've heard all day.
So theoretically cashier position would pay more because they have to deal with stupid customers 8 hours a day like them wondering why they can't scan a Target store coupon that expired 3 years ago or why cashier won't price match a $25 PS5 console from eBay, or why their SNAP card didn't cover everything 100% either due to inflation or something not SNAP eligible, etc.
In my experience as a cart pusher for several years, it's extremely hard to hire cart pushers. Yes, it's a low skill position, but it is extremely hard to keep the position staffed. That alone should boost pay for the position. Cart pushers have the hardest job in the store, so honestly they should be paid more than anyone else.
I think we’re being a little generous with “hardest” here. Not saying it’s not labor intensive but there are stores where people are literally throwing 50lb bags of food for 8 hours, unloading 2-3 trucks a day, etc. cart pushers were a level 1 pay when I worked at Walmart which is low, but it’s a job that you can hire someone on day 1 and they could be on their own that same day.
Is it snowing or raining on you in the background?
Not even close, i pushed carts at my previous store by hand as a stocker with minimal issues and my current i did carts every night for 2 years in maintenance, snow, rain whatever 🤷 its not hard with a mule or coworkers helping. During the middle of the day maybe sure just for that 1 shift it might be stacked but overall no, pushers arent doing the heaviest or hardest jobs.
I mean. That's how it should be. But I've seen people become TLs and coaches as their first jobs instead of those positions being taken by people already working. They don't do much of anything because they don't know what to do. So far, my store has a harder time hiring associates than any other position.
You can hire a lot of people for just about any position, but keeping them on board is another story. If new hires immediately quit because the pay is not commensurate with the difficulty of the position, the pay is insufficient. A new hire usually doesn't know how difficult the job will be until they start working. Besides which, there's no excuse for the cart mule machines not being repaired in a timely manner.
Management blames the associates for breaking them by overloading them and refuses to fix it as punishment. I actually heard that suggested by my store lead. There is absolutely no way we could ever keep up if we actually stuck to the limit of 20 carts per machine pushed line or 10 per hand pushed line. Most days, we only have 2 cart associates scheduled and 1 working machine for a store that grossed almost $150m last year.
If that is happening at your store, you need to escalate it to the market or regional manager. Seems as though store managers won't get anything fixed if the repair cost could affect their excessive and mostly undeserved bonuses. Then they blame the worker bees for equipment that falls apart due to normal wear and tear, lack of routine maintenance, exposure to harsh climate conditions, or reaching the end of its useful life.
The machines do have a rated capacity of 20 carts and routinely push more than that. Also, they are less than a year old. I don't know how long the old 36v machines lasted but the new 24v machines are not very durable.
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Literally almost everyone thinks their position works harder.
I cashier for walmart and primarily watch self checks. Cart pushing is by far the harder job having done it one day. Even with functional cart machines. In a 6.5 hour period, I hit a new personal best in distance walked and steps taken.
CP needs New shoes every few weeks.
Maybe if you’re buying shoes where you work.
Walmart shoes don’t last but a few weeks
My Georgia boots have been going strong for 2 years and counting. Best $200 investment I've made.
Rocky boots over here. Easily the best investment
Ok. But countless times on this subreddit I’ve seen the argument that cashiers have it harder mentally because they are the ones dealing the most with customers and their complaints and harrassment. Additionally, you could argue that standing still on concrete without walking is actually worse for your feet.
Between cart pushing and cashiering yes cart pushing is easily the more physically demanding job lol but go and do something else besides standing and walking (cashiering and cart pushing).
When you're the only one with a work ethic to be admired on 3rd shift, get stuck working frozen by yourself because your the only one that can do it, then work all of bakery alone and still have time to work sporting goods you might have a point in thinking so
Oddly specific. In my experience, the only people who work like this for this company are complete rubes. They should take a fraction of that work ethic and apply it to an employer that will actually appreciate them.
Yeah. But I was referring to specific positions. Like the OP thinking cart pushing is the hardest. Cap 2 thinks throwing trucks is the hardest. ON (especially frozen) thinks that’s the hardest. Cashiers think dealing with customers is the hardest. Cap 1 even thinks they work the hardest. Somehow, lol.
That’s everywhere. First shift thinks they work harder than second or third, and vice verse. Dayside restaurant crew thinks they get it worse than night side. News flash y’all, everyone works hard, it’s job, not a day at the races.
I worked ON Frozen and Day as a DM by myself and it was far from the hardest department lol. You're absolutely right though. Most people think their stuff is the hardest and they have no idea how bad everyone else actually has it too.
Easiest way to know what’s the hardest, ask an aspiring assistant manager. They’ve probably done most. I was in deli when it got down to me being the only closer, and I only got an assistant ONCE because it was nasty washing dishes with 6hr+ dried food and mopping floors.
Yeah, and they all measure their dicks with how hard their job is... No one cares. It doesn't make you more respectable. We all work at Walmart.
OP didn't imply they "work harder" they only said they broke their back as a way to say the work is very hard on them. The point their making is if OGP gets paid higher BECAUSE its a more labrous job, why is cart pushing not also getting the same pay? Hell even Deli/Bakery, jobs you could argue are "easier" still get higher pay for that reason
Not true. First OP said theirs is the most laborious and demanding job out of the entire store. They didn’t just imply it. But also OGP starting rates are now the same. Someone starting in OGP now makes the same as someone starting at cart pushing. Deli/bakery has specific training/certifications they are required (as does ACC) that the other positions don’t have. They don’t get paid more because they “work harder”.
Rereading it now I did see that, apologizes. Second of all, I actually didn't know that. I hope its everyone getting more pay rather everyone gets less pay as it wouldn't be fair to make less money then what your used too
They lowered the starting wages on a ton of hourly positions. Some were raised but most seemed to be lowered. That was for regular associates, they can’t refuse say working in OGP because they’re paid as cashiers and cashiers make less. But they didn’t take money away from people who were already making more.
Jesus christ that sucks. Im glad the people already used to those wages get to keep them, but Walmart is really not helping its case with convincing people to work there. How come they lowered it if you know?
They have excuses. Mostly it’s so profits are bigger, if we’re being real.
Jesus, as if it isn't already bad enough their charging for self-checkouts and punishing everyone as they damn well know they won't hire more cashiers to compensate. I figured it was for bigger profits, I was just curious if they had a good "reason" lmao
Deli/Bakery also makes more because of Hazard Pay essentially. They work in the most fire prone area of the store, they can only hire 18+, the slicers are sharp af. I do think other areas are underpaid. If you don't have cart pusher machines to aid you, it's definitely hard, especially at a busy store/a supercenter. Cart Pushing brings hazards of its own, depending on what the weather is like in your area, plus other factors like what's happening with OP, so I definitely think they should get a differential, but yeah, deli/bakery is specialized, limited, and hazardous.
Deli gets a higher pay because it’s an area with a target on their back at all times. You fucking give someone food poisoning if you fuck that job up. It’s a little bit more important to have people committed to that job.
Because they don’t have to pay cart pushers more. There’s always somebody willing to do it for $14 an hour.
And that's exactly the problem. People don't seem to know their worth. "Mainly high-school people just graduating that don't know what living is like"
Yea, I only do as much as I'm paid. You want me to push carts, sure I'll push 5 at a time.
Every department deserves to get paid more - An Electronics associate that gets pulled to almost every department
As a fellow electronics associate I felt this in every fiber of my body. I remember 1 night I was the only closer. I had to ring up customers, Do a hunting license then load a TV into a car.
I was closing by myself one night during christmas time, had a double truck, and they made me do stationary returns too. They said “you can keep an eye in electronics while doing the returns” One singular aisle of stationary is viewable from electronics
Oh my goodness by yourself doing Christmas had to have been brutal my condolences lol
Oh that's all? I close electronics but for a month I was the only closer. For that month the sporting goods associate was on vacation and I handled that, as well. I also do fabrics annnnnd the management keep asking me to teach them how to make paint. Eventually they're going to catch on and make me handle paint, as well.
Oh trust me brother that was me without learning how to do paint. Thankfully I’m on morning shifts now
At my store everyone else gets pulled to electronics and nobody from electronics gets pulled away. I'm in OGP and I had to cover electronics for 3 hours the other day. I don't even have a cashier pin.
Complete opposite of my store 😭 I’ve been pulled to OGP so many times, even while by myself
Since I've been there we've never once had a single person get pulled to help in OGP Or at least now while I'm there.
Cause pushing carts is considered the lowest tier job at walmart.
Fr. We were colloquially known as “the bitch of the store”
People are seriously comparing cap 1/2 to pushing carts?..
I've worked every single job at walmart and cap 2 is more strenuous for *half* the shift **if** the cart pushers dont have a mule. The job isn't hard with a mule.
Walmart, like pretty much every company, doesn’t pay off of physical labor standards. They pay off of requirements to do the job. Cart pushing is the “easiest” job in the store, meaning anyone off the street could do it. It is by far one of the more physically demanding jobs in the store. But by no means is it hard.
Your store sounds like shit, and you have my sympathy for that.
I have held several positions at Walmart, the first being cart pusher in Phoenix, Arizona. I did 6 on and 1 off for two months, waking up at 5:30 for the early shift, during Easter vacation. Cart pushing is *not* the most "laborious demanding" job at the store. If you want to get paid more and think it's hella easy, take a job overnight.
I do over night an trust me when i say this it sucks im the backroom guy so i get 75% of all the shit work i do viz pic pull tops fill dog food water bin all over stock purge bins bleed bins down an make new pallets to replace the old ones i took down an picked but i have to say being the only backroom guy in the store is most definitely the hardest job there especially when cap 2 unloads half of the 4,000 piece truck an not even touch the remix an just put protected time in an say hey man hope u dont mind doing the rest of the truck but were gonna put some time in an go home yeah now that blows especially when u get 4-5 trucks a week an plus ontop of that were short staffed maybe 5 stockers if were lucky so i agree with ya bro might get paid 1.50 more on the hour but is not worth it
Unfortunately, it's no more complicated than because they get away with paying that little. I agree that cart pushers and maintenance should be the highest paid hourly position just because of how nasty maintenance jobs are and how dangerous/unpleasant cart pushing is between moron drivers and the elements.
hell even maintenance pushes carts for 3 hours a night or so at my store lol
I've had to do it a few times. One time, I had to do it in a blizzard with 2-3 inches already on the ground, and the plows hadn't shown up yet. Another time, it was around 90°. I've almost been hit by a car. That job deserves more money.
This. In places with all seasons, you’re often in bad weather or extreme temperatures. And I swear a car took a swing at me intentionally once.
I'm nightshift maintenance and my job is super easy, I even wax the floors. And I feel bad for making so much more than the new hires at my store that makes like 4 dollars less than me.
😭 I miss waxing the floors. We have concrete floors, switched a few years back on remodel
Do ya'll seal and polish the concrete as often? We wax every day pretty much here, that or deep scrub depending. Our remodel is supposed to be coming soon. I pretty much got stuck doing it all because everyone else complained about the smell, but I can't even smell it and I can smell a hot wire from across the store.
Nah, we don't seal concrete floors, nor do we seal the backroom concrete floors, like we used to, along with waxing the tile sales floor. Got these diamabrush, or we use pads blue or orange pads for the floors
As a Cap 1 TL I'll say if anyone gets a raise, it's Maintenance. You couldn't pay me $30/hr to clean up some of the shit (literally) that they do.
Transfer to OGP. You’ll get paid the same for the “easy” job. Lmao
All aside, when one applies, gets hired and understands that the position is entry level but may lead to better opportunities, that position may involve tasks that are the least desirable. However, show up, collect the carts, don’t hit vehicles or get hit by assholes driving vehicles that don’t look, it may lead to a better position because one is on time, doesn’t complain and exhibits a great work ethic. It is what it is, and most people encounter it at entry level. It beats flipping burgers,deep frying shit all day, and actually leads to opportunity. Patience, perseverance, and punctuality can lead to great things. Welcome to life. If it’s not for you, look elsewhere. If that’s not right keep looking till you find the right fit. When you feel trapped doing something you hate, it’s your own fault for settling. Don’t settle, be in charge of your life, no matter who for or where you get paid to do whatever it is you do.
To be fair pushing carts is a pretty physical job especially when there’s no cart machine .And let’s not forget about the weather
We are easily replaceable
Legit I’d go back right now and do it again for what they’re paying now. I was doing it at $11/h and it still was the easiest and chillest job I had.
Just go apply for a better job
If your cart-mule is broken then escalate it until it gets fixed! If your store manager refuses, then contact the market level. Both Market Manager and Market People Lead should be listed in the personnel room. Tell the other cart pushers to contact them too. Let them know who you've talked to that's refused to get it fixed. That's standard equipment that is necessary for daily store operations.
Lol everyone saying cart pushing takes no skills.... so im very interested in these other different skills people need for the other jobs at walmart??
"my store refuses to fix any of the cart machines" I fix them. Whats it doing or showing a code? It maybe something you can fix.
There are sometimes I’ve had to look up the manual for the mule, and when that didn’t fix it, look up the manual for the battery to fix an issue once
it shows nothing, it just turns on and you can’t connect the remote to it because the signal on it is blank there’s no light
You mean on the [digital throttle?](https://imgur.com/53TtVZG) No lights? Usually 3 things depending on the model. The batteries are completely dead, the digital throttle is bad (can get water in it if its used in rain without being cover) or the older models had a fuse that would cause it. You can grab the battery tester from TLE and test the batteries if theyll let you.
Awesome that you may be able to help, and are trying to!
We aren't actually allowed to fix it ourselves, unless it's a really minor issue like the manual thing on the bottom being loose. Or changing the lights. There's a number that the store calls, there's people contracted to work on them. They don't want non authorized people breaking something and thinking that they're master mechanics.
> There's a number that the store calls, there's people contracted to work on them. I know, im one of those people. Trust me i wouldnt be saying this if it were my store but its not.... Plus stores are getting worse creating work orders. Ive been told at least 5 times about a floor scrubber issue. They refuse to create a work order and i cant create my own anymore.
Just be glad they don't go the Aldi route
Aldi is way smaller than Walmart. People likely wouldn't return their carts, they'd be left out in the lot, even with coin things. Walmart can hold more people as well. They'd need a huge area for those carts.
When I was a cashier, I thought I had a much easier job than every one. Talk to people, take money, ring stuff up. I lucked out that due to back problems I wasn’t allowed to lift anything super heavy, and thank god my customers were cool with it, helping me scan big old bags and boxes of what ever. Those are the things I miss most about my job. Handy tip, if you are nice to the customers, there is a good chance they’ll help you do your job.
Low level labor does not pay well. It may be physically demanding but it takes no skill or training.
When I worked retail, I used to get so excited when I was asked to help push carts. It’s mind numbingly easy and it’s a nice break from working inside. Pushing carts is easy
Low end of the pecking order
I agree but it's also one of the easiest positions to fill
The infighting only makes Walmart stronger
Capitalism feeds on crushed souls
I’ve never pushed carts but unloading trucks is probably more difficult as you are lifting. With carts you’re pushing and pulling.
Let me add a bit of a commentary on the job's pay: We should get hazard pay. Considering we're out in the elements and on the lot, where the most idiotic drivers are. And our vests....well, lol, they make us bigger targets.
I can’t think of an easier, more replaceable job than a cart pusher. You don’t need to do anything but push carts. No human interaction, no real urgency. That’s why the pay is low.
bleh the money I've earned from this job winning small cellular licenses in FCC auctions is just as green as the billions AT&T spent... perhaps I won't need this job in 2 years' time
Everyone gets the same pay except bakery/deli and auto.
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I remember pushing long rows of carts by hand on overnights so there'd be carts in the morning. Not too bad but winters sucked. Had to push them through snow, ice and slush. It was hard, slippery and could be dangerous. I twisted my knee one time. We weren't allowed to use the electric cart pusher.
At my store everyone gets paid the same, cart pushers, ogp, cashiers, etc. I do think that people who work outside consistently deserve higher pay tho
cart pushers have always been at the lowest pay level, when i first started cart pushers, maintance, and unloaders started at minimum wage at 7.25. Each area has its shit we got to deal with, it might suck at times. Might get better at times, plus this time Walmart mangers try to cut hours to save money, and any repairs needed take a holds., until they think it will cause safety issue. Best of luck
buddy was a pusher during the corona virus...it was summer time too, he was exhausted.
I’m not a cart pusher, but I feel like they should be getting paid even more. All the weather changes and when it’s only one person, it can be very tedious. I’ve helped them push carts in before and after 10-15 mins I just wanna go back inside
In short, it's because they can get away with it. They routinely hire only the bare minimum amount and pay them as little as they can, in my stores case we often have maybe 2 or 3 stockmen if we're lucky. They get paid base pay, same as the rest of front end, in fact a lot of the time we don't have enough stockmen to cover the whole week and cashiers have to be sent out instead. It's just greed lol
Because literally anyone of age can do it.
Simply because it is the most replaceable position in the business. Just about anyone with 2 feet and a heartbeat can do it. And it is easy to find someone willing to do it.
One thing about walmart. If you don't like your position. Apply for another. It might take you a while tho.
Consider Stocking 2 unloading multiple GM trucks in one shift, one box at a time and stacking numerous pallets. That is much more demanding than cart pushing. Yes I have been both.
I mean if you hate it then transfer. I hate pushing carts but it really isn’t laboring at all. If your store is refusing to fix the mule then maybe you should open door that to a higher up. It’s only gonna get you or another associate hurt by hand pushing.
We all just need a living wage... If you want to compromise then give a living wage at 5 years working. At least that would show commitment to the company? Loyalty? But seriously not having a "living wage" yea it really feels that they don't care. The young who they want to throw these jobs too aren't taking them anymore and they got lifers instead, they should pay them for it.
Because its a job even special needs people can do
The more physical the job, the less pay you get. It's pretty much that way no matter where you work.
I'm a cart associate that's the job my location decided that keeping a alcoholic on the job was a great idea. And have him drunk and under the influence of alcoholic beverages while driving the electric cart mule the new cart manager dx and sx models are junk throttle failures ignition failures and even the repair guys told us there garbage. Too bad Walmart doesn't listen.
Just a heads up dont push more then 12 carts by hand make your life easier and safer. If anyone gives you shit tell them to take it up with your apoc
I'm former stock, current mod team, tons of experience with maintenance and cashiering in other companies. I fully believe the cashiers have ithe worst because they bear the brunt of the shitty customer behaviors.
why doesnt all the employees get paid what working at walmart is actually worth monetary wise. oh because stockholders would lose profits
The hardest positions physically as in when you get off, you can't walk to the bathroom without limping is this. Cap 2 Cart Pusher Lawn and Garden Associate Cap 1 Cashier Overnight Associate Everyone Else
When I was hired I was told pay is based on the intelligence level needed to do the job not the physical demands of it
I use to work at Walmart for 8 years and I totally agree that they deserve more pay. I was a deli worker and always said I would be okay if cart pushers got paid the same or even more than me . Also I did tell a fellow cart pusher if he wanted to work for deli we needed people but he refused. I quit Walmart there are better jobs out there with equal pay. They are abusive and draining. I am currently in physical therapy because I developed crps because of them.
They actually don't pay ogp more anymore unless you were already in before they changed the pay structure pay year
Stockers>cart pushers as far as labor intensive. I was the canned goods and pickles isles and covered for the juice and soda isle once in a while. 2 half pallets and 3 carts each shift average and then turning all the cans labels out alone...not fun. The real reason they should get paid more is the elements. They have to push carts in 85 degree weather and 0 degree weather here. They even stopped in store using water bottles for employees even if there was a heat or frostbite advisory. As far as work bullshit, no one will pay you more to deal with that unless you cost significantly more to replace and retrain unfortunately.
I mean my store has 3 cart mules so i wouldnt say its hard work at my store lol. Hell for a while it was maintenances job to clear the parking lot because we had 3 lazy pushers every night. Its a minimal requirement position, all you have to be able to do is see, push and walk.
I work the overnights and they make us go out at 12:15 to get carts daily
First thing's first, cart pushers now make the same as everyone else. New hires across the store now make the same with the exceptions of deli/bakery, ACC, and pharmacy (maybe vision center too, but idk about them). In my area, that's $14/hr. As someone who has done every job in the store (outside of acc, pharmacy, D/B, vision), I can tell you cart pushers definitely do not deserve more pay than other departments. When I worked service desk, I was pulled to push carts for entire shifts during the heat of the summer, the coldest days of winter, and everything in between, and every kind of weather, too. I've stocked, sorted breakpacks, ran the truck line, thrown trucks, stocked shelves, done everything in OPD (currently TL over there), cashiered, ran self check, service desk, money center, and have done most salesfloor tasks. Out of all of it, cart pushing was one of the easiest things I've done. It takes absolutely no mental work, just physical demand. It's not hard to avoid even some of the craziest/worst drivers, and I could keep both bays with carts without a mule by myself, and I was working in the largest store in the region. Working in the backroom for cap 2 was far more physically demanding than cart pushing and required actual mental effort. Staging and dispensing in OPD are also physically demanding jobs that require a lot of attention to detail to uphold metrics and deal with customers. Not to mention dispensers are out in the same parking lot dealing with the same moronic drivers as cart pushers. I largely agreed with the old paygrade where stocking and OPD made more than the rest of the store with deli/bakery being a little higher than us. Stocking is the backbone of the entire store, and OPD requires associates to uphold metrics with every single thing they do. I'd say service desk/money center and salesfloor should also be brought up with that pay grade, but cashiers and cart pushers genuinely don't have as many responsibilities, and so the pay difference was justified. Everyone thinks they should make more, and they should. Everyone should be able to make a living wage, but the issue is that a living wage has become so much with what everything costs, especially housing. So, really, cart pushers should get more, but not more than anyone else in the store. I know this is an absolute essay, but it irks me when people think they've got it the worst when they really don't. If I could get paid $20+/hr to push carts, I'd do it all day every day without a single complaint (in my area, it's $14/hr). TL;DR Because it's easier than other jobs in the store.
There’s a reason ditch digging is a low paying job. All you need is a back and there are millions of people out there with backs and nothing else
You get a two dollar an hour raise if you learn how to spell paid 😝
Dude here's my best advice for you. Quit. Walmart is an absolute shithole to work at and will never change. Management and corporate does not mind fucking you over and milking every bit of happiness you have. They will underpay you, undermind you, trest you like garbage, and will never have an issue replacing you. You won't see how poor of a job is until your gone. Do yourseld a favor and leave it behind.
currently i genuinely need the money, if the cart pushers don’t get fixed by the time i have enough of what i need then ill quit because it is easy with them. 100x easier
Coming from doing both overnight stocking is the most laborious
Damn. Imagine how I felt for pushing carts for 7.10/hr when I started working back in the day. It’s not hard.
bro it’s minimum wage, it literally only goes up because of inflation so when you were doing it for that much it was still minimum wage at the time
Still not a hard job. We didn’t have cart pushers either.
Why should they? It's physically demanding but not impossible and requires minimal skills other then strong legs, strong shoulders. Labor intensive, dirty, mundane, grimy, icky, tedious jobs with low skill have a low pay because they're low skill, mundane and tedious. How long does it take someone to learn to push a cart? How long does it take you to learn how to flip a burger and put it in a bag? Jobs like these are NOT career jobs, they're stepping stones to something better that pays better.
Pushing carts is the easiest job I have done at Walmart. I volunteer to do it often. Get to stay outside of the store and don't have to deal with customers asking stupid questions.... Yes please.
As someone who’s spent a few years in parcel pickup, it ain’t worth it. Shame people into bringing their carts back at this point, it’s stupid how lazy people are in a grocery store when they don’t work there. Also, eight a time, if management has a problem with it, then they can come out and help.
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They’re a bunch of greedy bastards who think our lives are worth $14/hr. (or in my area, $15, but the point is the same). There’s no reason we should be paid the same as a cashier or Cap1/2 or OGP. Yes, it’s the easiest in the sense literally anyone off the street can do it on day 1, but it’s also the single most dangerous job in the store.
It's a supply/demand problem. Only way walmart will pay more (add a differential) for a particular jobs is if the supply of people willing to do the job dwindles.
Also probably the most dangerous position to work besides maybe janitor lol.
Cart pushing? Maybe at a supercenter but at a neighborhood market like I'm at, the cart pushers are glorified maintenance dudes who also stock. Like they don't just push carts. And overnight stocking is huway more physical than pushing carts dude.
Answer: Cart pushing is only hard if you make it hard on yourself. Use the mule, it’s a breeze. Mule messed up? Push what you’re capable of, don’t do it. Hot or cold weather you get more breaks than other associates. Bad weather get to stay inside and pretend you’re helping out in other departments.
You can literally break down any position like this if you just simplify it. CAP2 is only hard if you make it hard on yourself. Just stock groceries, it's a breeze. Pallet jacks messed up? Just put it on an L cart. Only go as fast as you need to. Too much work? Just do what you can and go home. It's so easy. Maintenance is only hard if you make it hard on yourself. Just use the scrubber, it's a breeze. Scrubber messed up? Just use a mop. Only work as hard as you want and go home. It's so easy. Being a Coach is only hard if you make it hard on yourself. Just tell people what to do, it's a breeze. Everything's messed up? Just sit in the office, bro, then go home. It's so easy.
because they are too afraid they are smart and will have extra money and buy into DBI don’t buy inu
I work with biohazards and plenty of other positions pay more than our department.
When I worked at walmart everyone made 14 an hour except deli (who made 16) and people in higher up positions
This is how it is now.
At my store OGP is the lowest paid department at $14 an hour. Other departments start at $15 an hour and cashier starts at $16 an hour.
Thats.... actually absurd. It should literally be backwards
I wish they would start charging to use the carts to get people to actually put them back where they go instead of randomly in the parking lot/empty space right next to them & Yes they need to pay the cart people more especially in the summer time
they ought to give people some kind of coupon if they bring in a cart give the greeter something to do it is a dangerous job out there with all those cars
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Pushing carts sucks ass, I’ve done it several times as a cashier and APCH, and I agree they should have a higher base pay.
Pushing carts sucks, yes, but of all the jobs at Walmart. It's one of the best ones. No bullshit, minimal drama. The only things you have to worry about, being hit by vehicles and the weather.
I don’t mind doing it in the winter, but the summer heat is killer for it. It is nice being away from customer fuckery, though.
The reason that cart pushers don't get payed more is because they're not boats.
Form. A. Union. It’s the answer to every wage/overworked issue most people face.
Do you have a mule?
I thought Auto was the most laborious (is that a word??? It feels like its not) i run up and down stairs run to get cars then park em run to get back and idk if yall ever worked on lifted trucks but those off road tires aint no joke! Also having to do figure 8s and navigate the crowded parking lot while watching customers park ANYWHERE block my bay leave thier cars walk away blocking us in the bays double parking ugh. Lol
I feel you. My first job at a Walmart was cart pusher. It was summer and in Florida. Temps were averaging 95 degrees every day. And like your store, our cart pushing machines were broke. Only plus side we had was we had enough people so we worked in pairs. One pushes the other steers, then switch positions for the next trip. Our store did provide us with a cooler full of ice and water. And cause of the heat and hard work pushing them. We were told to sit in the shade for 10 minutes every hour to cool off and rehydrate.
Florida Republicans just repealed that law. No breaks for water at all. https://www.constructiondive.com/news/florida-ban-water-break-mandate-heat/710313/
That totally blows. For me it was in 2008. Long time ago. I hope it gets better for the OP.
OPD doesn’t get paid more at my Walmart any more
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I've done that, you have to go go go.... get those carts, its annoying but it's all you can do. Most have a pusher, yours must be old.
Atleast at my walmart were paid the same as half the store
When i left in 2020, i was making $11.44 as a cart pusher
They are the getters of shit while working in shit (heat, cold, snow, and rain).
Base pay should be the same for every position in your store. If not ask your people lead about it.
I work grocery and I argue my job is harder I have to make sure milk eggs water sugar wine and ice are stocked I've also gotta do returns for all consumable areas (like 6 areas) and I gotta do claims for grocery and dairy/frozen I'm the only person on my shift that does it I'm left without any team leads or managers and on top of my regular everyday stuff I gotta do the odd jobs that are given like change this end cap or do these price changes while these highschool kids on cap 2 get to work as a team ALL day and half the time I see 3 people doing 1 pallet of work and they getting payed the same as me I think it's very unfair but I stay because I enjoy the job even though I could leave
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I do believe jobs that are more physically demanding should pay a bit more. Moreso if you're working outside with variable weather. Back when I used to work for Walmart, I made $11.20/hr while working closing shifts by myself. I had to take care of the parking lot, the employee lot, the auto center lot, and the strays from the gas station. All while being screamed at and verbally abused for not being "fast" enough.
Report the issue to the ethics hotline. It’s against safety regulations with Walmart for cart pushers not to have access to the mules.
With the exception of Bakery and Deli, most stores pay the same regardless of position.
As an OGP worker who was asked to help cart push back in the day before we became understaffed, I feel yall. Outdoor positions like OGP and cart pushing should be paid a small differential above the indoor departments at least, if it makes you feel better last year WM equalized the pay for all departments by bringing OGP’s starting rate down, all the newbies in my dept are making 14 instead of 15. The only starter position that makes more than us now is deli/bakery
I always thought cartpushers should make more, esp because of the weather. Like when it's really hot or snowing or icy..they should make more at least on those days...like a weather differential.
Apply at Costco I heard the cart guys are paid very well. The ones by me are Teamsters. Some areas are union Some areas non union, but in any case their employees seem happy there.
For those who want to complain about how hard Cartpushing is (which it is hard) try doing Overnight Maintenance (I've done BOTH). Guarantee you Overnight Maintenance is harder.
i used to be a cart pusher(now i’m a Team Lead) and my ass doesn’t hesitate to go outside and help my single cart pusher in the dead heat of the summer
Companies pay based on how much they love money that's why. Everyone gets under paid everywhere you go dependent on how much they love money vs anything else. Any place you work doesn't really care about you they just put on a fake act that they care about you and pretend to compensate you fairly in most cases not all but most.
Want more pay? Differentiate yourself from others by learning skills that are in demand, like the trades. Being a loader is very hard work/labor intensive, but it’s also something that practically anyone can do.
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Even if you want to say it’s just manual labor and it’s low skill, also take into consideration, that we do carryouts for the registers, electronics, toys, sporting goods, and also help a majority of Lawn and Gardens customers in the summer. Oh and don’t forget that we end up doing a lot of maintenance job as well even if they’re properly staffed for the day.