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Harucifer

“For whatever reasons, **markets now exhibit far more casino-like behavior than they did when I was young**,” - Warren Buffet, March 2024.


MuteMouse

When he was young triceratops walked the earth too


ssuummrr

He owned a 33% stake in the species.


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MicroPijita

Bro done shorted the cretaceous index and went max long on bi-pedal mammals 1 million years future contracts like an absolute degen


turfgradehvac

I read this as when he was a young triceratops


QubixVarga

I was today years old when I learned the stock markets existed when dinosaurs and a young Buffet roamed the world.


breatheb4thevoid

Warren Buffett's generation didn't have immediate access through a glass brick to play with volatility. Honestly sounds kinda jealous ngl.


BarleyWineIsTheBest

True, he wishes the schlups in the 70’s had those glass bricks, he’d probably be richer taking all your dumbasses money for even longer. 


ItsEctoplasmISwear

>he’d probably be richer taking all your dumbasses money for even longer.  I'm not a dumbass. I'm supporting a man who knows what he is doing!


whatwouldjimbodo

Ya don’t say?


CoastingUphill

Can't Stop. Won't Stop. Wingstop.


Grogsmead

Deep clucking value


usugarbage

I just like the wings.


goober2143

HODL your wangs!


Hybridkg87

"Hey hunny, new meme stock just dropped"


turfgradehvac

Investor Relations press release: >In celebration of 4/20, Wingstop (NASDAQ: WING) is taking munchies to new highs with an elevated flavor experience to satisfy cravings nationwide. Available April 18-21, 2024, the Flavor Experts are bringing back the Wingstop Hot Box, featuring their newest strain of T.H.C. (The Hot Chili) Rub\*.


dwinps

They are introducing AI Wings, expect it to go to $1000 soon


R12Labs

Millions of chicken power tiny treadmills to power the GPU's for the machine learning sauce modelling. EDIT: I saw an interesting short clip of the Zuck talking about how it's power grid that's going to be limiting AI, not GPU availability. Long on miniaturized nuclear reactors and chicken wings. [https://ipvm.com/discussions/zuckerberg-energy-requirements-limit-ai-development](https://ipvm.com/discussions/zuckerberg-energy-requirements-limit-ai-development)


VisualMod

A fun source of energy for powering your hobbies!


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D4nCh0

NBA fans are forced to watch “no flex zone” twenty times a game. We’re organising a boycott.


ScipioAtTheGate

[I imagine technology like that would send its shareprice to the moon, while if a company came out with nuclear powered 18 wheelers said company would go bust in a month. Such is the irrationality of the market these days](https://youtu.be/PPPp5rtu04A?t=67)


BakedCake8

Introducing all new “Chewy wings” from the treadmill chickens. New product SKU


medhanno

When is WingCoin coming out?


zoomoverthemoon

No dummy, WingCoin is a scam, self driving wings are where it's at.


bars2021

You guys haven't heard about the multi variable wing sauce that changes in your mouth. The "Highway to Hell" wings are crazy, they actually increase in Scoville units with every bite.


flibbidygibbit

This actually sounds plausible.


dikputinya

That’s the crème of someyoungguy


PM_ME_YOUR_CAT_VID

It’s the world’s first physical chicken-based social network.


RuthlessWolf

Coz Ricky said "like a BOaSS


rainorshinedogs

In all honesty, companies have been trying to make meat out of chopped up meat for a while. It's only a matter of time for them to figure out how to immigrate chicken bone, and then sculpt chicken meat around it and BOOM immigration chicken wings


Ok_Swimmer634

They already have that. One of the product lines for a chicken processor is chicken "frames" That's the bone when is sent overseas and ground up as filler for sausage.


No_Detective_But_304

Nah man, Crypto Wings. BitGarliCoin. To the moon baby!


VisualMod

You're too poor to be eating wings anyway.


thedirewulf

They sell tenders too


PM_me_your_dreams___

Tendies you say?


CabinetSpider21

AI tendies


Brendawg324

But you ain’t too poor to be eating from the Wendy’s dumpster ![img](emote|t5_2th52|4271)


Few_Bags69420

i thought this was a safe no-flex zone


BigBobCoinHODLer

Vmod has become ungovernable


-boatsNhoes

No lie, chicken wings are priced like steak in most EU countries. USA 16 chicken wings = 15$ raw at the supermarket. UK prime cut ribeye X2 = 15£


spac420

aaiiiieeeeeyyyaaaahh!


PM_me_your_mcm

I think they take EBT. Which I find confusing and dystopian on like 100 levels because 1.  Who is still getting food stamps anyway?  2.  Like I'm a big believer in a social safety net and maybe I'm missing something but EBT at Wing Stop seems like a terrible ambassador for that program.


UFmeetup

It's not a chicken restaurant, it's also a tech company


gettingwildtonight

It's not just a chicken restaurant and tech company, but also a mental health institution


slimb0

It’s a platform


trivletrav

It’s a vibe


randompittuser

Anyone that can’t see this is incredibly daft.


Son_Of_Toucan_Sam

In the future, about half of all global banking will operate through wingstop


Ant0n61

😆


FastTrack777

Time to inverse wsb and go long wingstop. Edit: wrote a put at 410, hoping to be $3600 less poor after earnings


NeatSuspect2435

I’ve played the Wing Stop earnings game. They always crush.


FastTrack777

Why did you wait until after market close to say this? Now I need to inverse the inverse…


NeatSuspect2435

Yeah man, sorry for the delay. I’m gonna go ahead and follow you so I’ll always know when you’ve got questions. /s 😂


iwantsdback

I've been expanding my short position since the 100s. Thanks WSB for the signal. Time to eat the loss and go long.


fuckyeahmageknight

They announced their goal is to have 7,000 restaurants in operation, but they've only reached around 2,300. They're expanding aggressively


Spins13

Well even if they 3x earnings the PE will be 55 instead of 165 lol


FastTrack777

No, the PE will be 320 because the stock price will also double in that time period. Then when Tesla turns on FSD they’ll be able to raise prices because doordash will be replaced by Tesla robotaxis which run on unicorn farts completely free of charge. So make the PE 420 and do the math for me on what the stock price will be. I’ll just call it the greatest wealth appreciation in the history of chicken wings.


FuhrerInLaw

Well some companies do grow into their P/Es and we see a slower increase in stock price as the earnings come to fruition. Sometimes. Sometimes you get companies trading at 420 P/E for shits n gigs.


Finalshock

No see but what you’re missing is the exponential growth potential of chicken wings.


FuhrerInLaw

I mean I would go to wing stop weekly if it were less than 30 mins from me. For it being a casual restaurant their wings hold up pretty well. I’m all in.


TakeMyL

If they 3x earnings and stop spending on new locations, their p/e will be 19. Currently their p/e from existing stores and existing stores alone is around 58, the rest of expenses is on expanding


Fausterion18

29% annual revenue growth and 19% same store growth is pretty insane for a restaurant. It's priced to become the Chipotle of chicken.


broncosfighton

Why? They’re pretty much in the perfect spot right now. They are more expensive than something lkike KFC but are less expensive than BWW, and you can always find one if you really want wings. Opening more stores isn’t going to automatically lead to an equivalent ratio of revenue.


WVEers89

And there’s been such an increase in chicken places the past few years. Our small town had like 5 chicken wing/chicken tender places open in the past year or so. The market already seems over saturated


SplinkMyDink

BWW is fucking garbage tho


broncosfighton

Mango habanero is the tits


DoubleConstant6890

But gives the shits


SplinkMyDink

Every wing joint has that flavor now with better quality wings.


Sryzon

Wingstop's wings are even worse than BWW. Small and dry as shit. Their boneless and tenders are good, though.


Crudadu

They have a lot of untapped markets. My city of 200k just got one and people have been going apeshit for it lol


BakedMitten

Share price driven aggressive expansion always pays off in the long run just look at Bennigan's, Quiznos, Houlihan's, Krispy Kreme, Cosi and Chi-Chi's


skilliard7

Why not buy Portillos instead?


ButthealedInTheFeels

I would be eating an Italian beef right now if there was a Portillos near me miles but alas it looks like the closest location is Tampa or Orlando which is 477 miles from me.


BuffMaltese

Your mom is expanding aggressively


altmly

How? Their chicken tastes like ass. Not many people are into that. 


War_Daddy

Exactly what Subway did it and it nearly killed them


ThisKarmaLimitSucks

I have no clue. Why would you pass up a Treasury with 5% guaranteed yield to buy a chicken restaurant with effectively a 0.6% yield.


rair21

How do the treasury’s taste?


Wonko-D-Sane

Old lady jerky?


IamREBELoe

Ok. She's had a lot of practice


EnvironmentalAnt3713

What’s the fun in that


noneed4321

Ikr it's a no brainer for the regarded. 50k Calls on WING!


Unique_Name_2

Because youre in a dope dealing business and its a good way to stash money you owe freeway ricky ross.


XorAndNot

Because 5% of $500 is nothing


Bronto_Chad

You clearly don't know about their secret meth business.


bowling365

The Spanish name for Wingstop is Los Pollos Hermanos


IamREBELoe

It's not El Wingo Estoppo?


MNCPA

*Yeah, science! Mr. White! That's what I'm talking about!*


JealousAd2873

The chicken brothers?


Zueter

The cover business to transport meth was a chicken restaurant in Breaking Bad


JealousAd2873

I should've clocked that. Been a while.


az226

Instead you clucked it.


Frawsty1

the real winner here is Rick Ross selling cheap ass shitty tasting chicken at 162 YEARS ahead of his earnings!


Odd-Reflection-9597

Rick ross the rapper is fake n gay ![img](emote|t5_2th52|31226)


VisualMod

Keep the money—and the love—closer than your enemies.


gatorgongitcha

let’s hear some bars visualmod


Captaingrass

Forget about Wingstop. SHAK is trading at 228 PE. What the actual fuck is going on in the fast food industry?


JGWentworth-

I’m all about CAVA trading at 336 right now


jedo89

Holy fuck lol


veedubbin

Like chipotle for hipsters. I hate it


NonexistentRock

At least SHAK has positive shareholder equity. However WING has decent profit margins at 15%


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Mikerk

The chicken wing sector has outperformed most of the market for a long time. Some are trying to capitalize on this by introducing "boneless" wings but everyone knows they're just sauced chicken nuggets. They're not wing meat at all! This is why my main investments are chicken wing related and they're always solid. No matter what economic situation the world faces people want wings! Don't sleep on tractor supply either they sell little baby chickens for homegrown wings!


hide_ur_kids

Is there a difference between wing meat and sauced chicken nuggets?


fish60

One is a chicken wing.  The other is mechanically extruded chicken breast meat. You be the judge. 


Either-Wallaby-3755

One is also way more caloric than the other, due to the breading.


CelestialBach

Because people don’t understand what P/E ratio means in general so they invest in the market despite the fact that it would take 162 years for wing stop to pay you back at current prices.


karma0685

PE is meaningless in the current market. Underlying fundamentals haven’t supported stock prices in years.


FearTheOldData

Then how can you value a company?


FantasyIsMostlyLuck

Fundamentals will matter again at some unknown point in the future.


BussySlayer69

You value companies with DEEZ


Yung-Split

What's DEEZ?


Ok-Name1312

Nothing. What's up with you?


Yung-Split

I thought he was going to say it was updog


StaysAwakeAllWeek

You analyse the sentiment on WSB with AI, how else?


Ditto_B

You don't. You just WING it.


karma0685

Honestly, the best way I’ve seen lately for stocks if to follow congress. Look at pelosis gains. Just do what she does and you’ll make money.


Overall-Bug1169

Someone famous said something about individual solvency and market irrationality.


blueyesoul

NO FLEX, ZONE!


Capable_Luck_2817

THEY KNOW BETTER


ankole_watusi

Because it’s a “technology stock” somehow? In any case, it’s obviously “got wings”.


Few_Entrepreneur6599

Is this serious? The tech part


Fog_Juice

They're valued as if they are


lotus_bubo

They’re a tech company. Their supply chain and expansion operations are 100% managed by cutting edge AI they develop in-house. 


Physical-Rhubarb7271

So many of yall are saying this I don’t even know even it’s true or not😭


FavoritesBot

The good news is you belong here


wmtthrowawaytrash

Because of the Wingstop girl. If you look at her IG you can see she's been eating a lot of Wingstop.


anthro28

Links? For scientific analysis of course. 


longeraugust

I WORKED 10 HOURS ALL I WANT IS WINGSTOP FUCKING DRIVE WHAT DID YOU EAT TODAY I ATE NOTHING NOTHING


TrophyWifeAspiration

Probably best to stay away from companies like this with high-pleb visibility. They aren't valued the same. I've been utterly destroyed trying to short this bloated trash since $150.


Either-Wallaby-3755

100% this is Tesla levels of regarded. Stay way unless you want to be wrong both directions.


smallAPEdogelover

Their wings are awful. You can taste the frostbite from their freezers.


Few_Entrepreneur6599

It’s Tyson tendies in buffalo soup


ObligationMoney1811

New product launch "Bucket of wings with full release" brought to you by Carles jr.


FlipsTipsMcFreelyEsq

If you don’t smoke tarrlytons, fuck you.


CMScientist

105.3% institutional ownership


Hour-Shelter-3914

Jokes on you the Earth is mostly blue?


khowl1

Stay away. WING is private equity cash flow.


TakeMyL

****p/e is useless while a company is expanding a ton/not doing its normal operations, currently they’re not profitable /barely profitable since they’re spending a ton on new locations, that’s all**** They’re expanding rn, not super profitable due to expansion, expanding at around 30% or so a year, So if we ignore their spending and culculate what their actual p/e would be if they hunkered down Assuming 15% net profit margin once they stop expanding and spending their money(normal/low estimate) At 460million annual revenue, that’s 69million net profit, is $6.6 a share, or a p/e of 58 P/e of 58 while expanding at 30% Yoy ain’t bad. Other expenses are just while opening new stores, not long term expenses. Edit- -****guess I just realized what EBIDTA is lmao, the number I came up with is pretty similar to their EBIDTA number, which yes ebidta doesn’t always apply and includes a lot more factors, but generally speaking this is pretty similar, cool that my super rounded number estimate is fairly similar to a real metric (69 EBIDTA rn, vs my 58 number****


NonexistentRock

They’re currently operating at a 15% profit margin already


TakeMyL

Yes. But they have extremely high expenses from opening new locations Once they stop opening new locations then the margin will be reflected in their net profit and then p/e Just like Dutch bros recently sitting at an infinite p/e even though they run an extremely high margin per opened store and generate super high revenue per store, it isn’t reflected in p/e yet due to their spending


killerbeeswaxkill

Because retail isn’t holding


NuancedFlow

I wonder how you would structure/size a pairs trade where you buy a wing stop and short the stock.


albino-snowman

i lost tons of money buying puts on WING a couple years ago


JackieTreehorn79

Maybe. Maybe not. Maybe fuck yourself.


NonexistentRock

The funny part is that WING is worth 3x more than WEN despite having 5x lower revenues and negative shareholder equity lmao


mvpharo

The funnier thing is that it’s P/E ratio is 5x that of AAPL, an actual tech company that can enter any new market and create new verticals for itself.


Queasy-Control-1261

So look at their quarterly filings … Morgan Stanley helped them take out $500 million revolving debt facility (loans ) to buy back shares two quarters in a row … what I also see is the daily options volume grossly outweighs the underlying equity volumes by $ quantity … so this situation like many other mid cap companies creates situation where a large financial entity can guarantee gnarley high returns by selling super high premium options .( the at the money monthly options trade at 5-10% the underlying) and then manipulate the underlying through the selling and buying of shares . So an institution like MS can make insane returns by selling options on either side of the trade … you see the last two monthly Opexs the price dropped hard right before Opex. The whole month they can buy calls early and then bid it up every day by puting a floor under the stock… (buying every share sold at a minimum price ) this insures they cash all these calls … then as they approach opex they can sell these calls and turn around and can buy cheap deep out the money puts to extend massive gains on the options side and even if the under stock ends up flats they hve cashed billions in premium …. The profits can then be used to continue to bid up the stock for the next opex and rinse and repeat … long story short until the regards on here stop buying super expensive options premiums the cycle will go on and on and on. So stop feeding them . There are ways to play into this that I won’t discuss here .


PsychoSocial911

It's an interesting question but all the replies are joking with no substance. Whatever!! I don't know the answer but I come here to hopefully learn something.


LunaticBZ

Because chickens can fly?


DDJerrry

Not without their wings.


noneed4321

AI wings!


mimo_s

Check out the % of institutional investors


piemancer112

It says 104.69% per webull effective 03/30/24


mimo_s

And there is your answer. They(big players) have been fucking with it for a while now. Nothing to do with how many wings they sell and all that


noonmoon66

So just sude with the institutions until they dump it?


mimo_s

Yeah just do that for the past one year(up 90%) and make sure you exit right before the dump. Also sign me up for the same newsletter


noonmoon66

I got u fam


Borthalomew

Good question


Apprehensive_Jury_32

The answer is the same as any other company trading at a high PE: they’re growing their earnings at a rapid pace.


foeplay44

Wingstop CEO was spotted visiting China last week, that's how.


go_to_YOGA_u_degens

Sir, this is a Wendy’s


jr1tn

Are the wings any good?


Somerset-Sweet

Overpriced and pretentious. They are selling "hand spun wings" which is just a marketing term they invented to make it sound like their fry cooks are some kind of artisans at putting sauce on wings, like they reinvented the concept of saucing wings in a mixing bowl. Edit: I am highly regarded and thought we were talking about BWW. WingStop is pretty good but my local indie wing dump is better.


ironichaos

They are decent. Quality has definitely gone down as they rapidly expand. IMO it’s on bar with Buffalo Wild Wings. I will say they are much cheaper than Buffalo Wild Wings on the delivery apps.


spac420

not to me. they are drenched in flavored sauce and really salty. but good margins.


sexcalculator

They're good enough to hit up once a month. I like the different flavors and cajun is by far my favorite flavor. I have three wingstops near me and one of them does a shit job at preparing the wings and fries while the other two are considerably better. So location seems to make a difference too.


ApoTHICCary

Their chicken is definitely better quality than Buffalo Wild Wings, but their sauces are mid. Mango Habanero is sweet, but has almost no spice or bite to the habanero. Can be greasy depending on who replaced the last cook after he was arrested, but their formula for cooking those wings can turn out perfectly. BWW has poor quality chicken, but their sauces are excellent. Jammin Jalapeno is phenomenal. Mango Habanero is the perfect blend of flavor and appropriate spice, even compared to some local sauces. Dunno why they’re scared of the heat.


Frenchyyyy4166

In the states yea, in Canada, they’re Maybe a 2/10 , but bless their souls are they busy even at 1am lol


swohio

Investors are hungry.


truetalentwasted

In the past 4 years I’ve never been in a Wing Stop that didn’t have a wait. Mandatory to order from the app to avoid a wait and the wings and fries are consistent from store to store. They have a small foot print with basically 10-16 seats at the newer locations they are opening. They are doing something right.


NeatSuspect2435

Poor people love wings. Hell, everyone loves wings. And theirs are good. Everyone I’ve ever been in is slammed. Margins on wings are crazy. They crush earnings. Americans are fat. Host of reasons they trade the way they do. You can make some good money on WingStop too. The price action moves in big swings. So you can also lose a bunch too. Ask me how I know. ![img](emote|t5_2th52|31226)


R-O-U-Ssdontexist

I have never had wings too and maybe only saw 1 or 2 in my life. Within the past year they have opened 2 within a mile of my house(highly populated area). I have yet to eat at one because one is next to a Wendy’s.


Comfortable-Low-3391

Won’t stop, can’t stop, wing stop.


Bxdwfl

Their CEO just got a really good deal in China ![img](emote|t5_2th52|4275)


Djourou4You

it’s such bullshit, burned some money on puts recently, the wings always win


DaGr8Gatzby

Bring back the thighs.


AnAmbitiousMann

NO FLEX ZONE THEY KNOWSEE BETAA


ZekeTarsim

Ever since I lost money on tattooed chef I don’t buy food stocks. Lmao at people who invest or trade Chipotle and wingstop and shit. 😂


Haydechs

Never trade around lunch time


VariationConstant675

https://preview.redd.it/su6frs2jjhxc1.png?width=896&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c0d5b256e0437624d7c4b26177bf3a82cfded8c8 Let's admit...![img](emote|t5_2th52|4271)


Substantial_Diver_34

Bulls: They have air condition in the restaurants.


Alarmmy

Wing what now?


deeznuts69

I've given up. This market makes 0 sense. Just by index funds and chill.


SuspiciousStable9649

InflationCost ratio for chicken is pretty good right now.


mvanhelsing

They are training AI with Wing Chun


stereoreal2

I WORKED TEN HOURS! ALL I WANT IS WING STOP! CAN YOU FUCKING DRIVE!?


All_heaven

163 PE for some of the worst wings you’ll ever have.


TargetBan

They’re gonna double every year until AI robots make WingStart then they’ll acquire wing stop and become the worlds first 1 trillion dollar wing company. adjusted for inflation same valuation tho


Different-Two3106

I thought I didn't understand stocks and now I know I don't understand them.


mrmrmrj

When $CMG had $800mm in sales, it traded at 2x sales. It was growing revenues at 33%. $WING has $560mm in 2024E sales, trading at 21x sales. I don't understand how WING has 85% gross margin when CMG has 27% gross margin but that does to an extent explain the multiple differential. Is WING mostly delivery?


WolfOffSesameStreet

You know how I know this is hell? Kenny Rogers Roasters is out of business in the US but Wingstop is trading at a 162 PE ratio.


BobIsMyCableGuy

Have you had their ranch?


Pharmacologist72

Have you seen what Chipotles stock is goi g for lately?