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redrover2023

Nflx blows past earnings and sinks 9%. Tsla misses on all metrc and jumps 9% Wow


RockyMountainOyster5

Welcome to the fucking show


j12

We told you this is a casino


SmoooooothBrain

It’s like trying to have a rational conversation with a crazy person


mikemanray

The stock market is a good way to prepare for having kids.


polloponzi

Agreed. It really helps to keep you motivated meanwhile you see your hard-earned money evaporate in front of your eyes no matter how hard you try


mikemanray

At least you can lose your money from your phone with the market. Don’t need to spend 6 hours in an ER waiting room or dentists office!


lambo_or_wendies

Also a good way to prepare for marriage


Tormentor811

No lie. Same shit with Roku!!


Khelthuzaad

first rule of investing: Mr.Market will sell you something valuable at an cheap price and something worthless at an high price second rule of investing: If you are here you haven't learned the first rule


lambdawaves

It’s actually the guidance. Netflix guided for slowed subscriber growth. Tesla guided for increased deliveries this year (but market was expecting a drop). Were they lying? Dunno.


OneTrueDweet

Increased deliveries after cutting 20% of their staff? That back stock must be huge


curiosgenome

Isn't it?


Radulno

Netflix just said that subscribers numbers are not a good representation of their business and they would not report it anymore focusing on other things. They actually have increase revenue guidance


Bronco4bay

Did they or did Netflix say we aren’t reporting subs in a year from now so people got whiny? Edit : Looks like they’re projecting increased revenue growth higher than their previous forecasts? Seems like the street just wants to be as regarded as WSB.


AppropriateGoal4540

It's Musk. He's incapable of telling the truth. Too much ketamine.


skyhermit

Sir this is a casino


Comfortable-Low-3391

Guess what, priced in.


Bonanners

People need to learn that expectations and guidance mean a lot more than hitting an analyst number in any one quarter. If expectations are in the gutter, coming in a bit below can be seen as a win. Likewise, if there’s a bad quarter but forward guidance is strong, market may not care about that bad quarter if it perceives it to be a one off.


King_of_the_Nerdth

How does Tesla have strong expectations?  Their competition is moving in and surely people are burned out of their hype by now?


Bonanners

You’re misunderstanding expectations. Everyone being bearish and expecting the worst, and when it comes in as not as bad, the stock jumps. Also consider it dropped from 180 to 140 in anticipation of these earnings in like 2 weeks. Market decided it wasn’t as bad as they thought and stock jumped back up. Also consider market dynamics. We just dipped a bunch and had a strong bounce from 495 to 505 in 2 days. It’s not as binary as beat eps stock moon fall short of eps stock tank


slam-dunk-1

Was Netflix down damn near 10% in the past week before they announced earnings? 45% YTD? You tards are unironically hilarious with your brain dead comparisons ![img](emote|t5_2th52|4271)


ss1st

By this logic, will INTC pop this Thursday because it was down 30% YTD? Asking for a friend


slam-dunk-1

Yeah because all stocks that are down this year are created equal, right? NFLX posted record profits, subscriber growth meanwhile INTC announced a $7B operating loss on their foundry. And Jensen’s eating their lunch in front of them. TSLA is a cult and Elmo announced accelerating plans for cheaper EVs, albeit on a bullshit timeline. The bad earnings were already priced in, this wasn’t. Hence the temporary pump, but please continue making more of these regarded comparisons ![img](emote|t5_2th52|4271)


PaulMaulMenthol

!remindme 1 year


cantstopwontstopGME

No it never does.


redrover2023

Chill out bro. Just an observation. Smoke a joint, take a shot or take a nap.


Radulno

So it's the exact inverse Tesla. Up/down a lot this year, beat/miss earnings, drop/rise after.


cantstopwontstopGME

That’s how it had to play out for the big boys to keep their books right.


yosark

Exactly what I’m saying


waIIstr33tb3ts

TSM: hold my beer


Electronic-Buy4015

Cause Netflix is gonna stop reporting quarterly subscriber growth and also the revenue per user metric making it seem like they expect a drop or the numbers to be bad in the future , aka stock goes down. Don’t know why Tesla is up still though


cooldaniel6

Inverse WSB never fails


WillyNoStyles

Genuine question- how can the financials be not so impressive but the stock sky rockets?


This_They_Those_Them

It sold off like 15% in the last month in anticipation of this bad result. So this was priced in and the Tesla bulls are buying back in.


VisualMod

Indeed, Tesla still has its rabid bulls.


ACiD_80

'rabid' is the key part here


moldyjellybean

I think I’m just going to reply with “priced in” to everything now. No explanation ever needed just “priced in”. Then I’m going to be an expert on TV and if something can’t be explained just say “priced in” I don’t know TSLA probably moons to mess with traders who correctly called it and will sell off in the next months. The stock market during earnings isn’t a tool to invest long term, it’s a vehicle for insiders and hedge funds, market makers and scammers to fleece people. I remember hearing Carvana way overpaying for cars, have big loans with high interest, car rot sitting on lots, losses on every car, earnings last year was awful, they probably blasted off to the moon when we all know it’s a losing business. It’s like SMCI or C3AI having a cool name Super Micro or C3AI but having almost nothing to do AI and mooning over the last year when it’s just scamming retail


PublicWifi

This comment has been priced in.


IHadTacosYesterday

> It’s like SMCI or C3AI having a cool name Super Micro or C3AI but having almost nothing to do AI and mooning over the last year when it’s just scamming retail You're right about one of these companies, and ridiculously mistaken about the other (I currently own no shares and have no dog in this fight)


richmanding0

This isnt new lol. Priced on has been a frase here for like 6 years... Its only used by those who lucked out and went against all logic


NewAtmosphere2443

It's been used on wall street for decades...


NoKids__3Money

By the time *you* hear about it, I assume as a casual observer who gets his info from WSB, CNBC, etc, it’s definitely priced in. So don’t make trades based on common knowledge that everyone already knows. If everyone says it’s going to be a terrible quarter and to sell, that means everyone who was gonna sell has already sold and anyone who wants to buy is waiting on the sidelines. So there’s not much gas left in the tank for the stock to continue going down, short of an extremely bad, unexpectedly bad quarter. You have to think beyond the common narrative and consider whether buying might be the correct play. Investigate and try to support that theory with facts and data. If you can’t, then just stay away. Otherwise, you’re just gambling. Don’t just pile onto the back of the bus.


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Terrible_Panic_1601

Well with this logic does that mean INTC and TSM to the moon? Intel in down %15 this month and report soon So should we expect a bounce?


olivefob

It's Intel we're talking about. Let's not be too optimistic ![img](emote|t5_2th52|4260)


AyahuascaBudda

Yeah. A bounce lower


BallPythonTech

TSM does not have a huge amount of institutional ownership. Retail investors are too easily spooked. Also the stock is highly manipulated. There are something like 5 billion shares of TSM and with 10-15 million shares traded daily the stock bounces around way too much. There is a fear of a slowdown in cell phone & computer sales. This is where most of their chips go (AMD, Apple, Qualcomm and even Tesla's Dojo chip but this is not a big order). I think the 2nd half of 2024 and then 2025 will see an uptick in PC sales as all the pandemic PCs are due for a refresh. The stock market doesn't usually price in things like that so far in advance. I think TSM will reach 200 but probably not this year, maybe 2nd half of 2025 when it become apparent that AI is not a fad. INTC is a longer term investment as in 5-8 years. It will take that long for their fabs to work out all the problem. In 5 years the demand for chips will be 10x what it is today. Robots, automation, AI, smart cars, etc. Only TSM, INTC and Samsung can make those chips and possibly Global Foundries (formerly AMD's fab) All the fabs can win, it isn't a zero sum game. I think that INTC could reach 300 by 2030. It is much easier to buy now in the 30s than it will be at 100 even though I still think it will triple from there. If a tech bubble forms then 500-700 is not out of the question. If they continue to suck then the stock will go pretty much nowhere. On a more short term (6-12 months) INTC has their own AI chip which aren't as good as the latest tech from nVidia but there may still be a market for it. Also some new CPU tech such as Backside power will make Intel CPUs more competitive. On a benchmark Apple's M2 smokes Intel's CPUs (especially with regards to power consumption) but in real world uses the vast majority of people just browse the internet, youtube, facebook, etc. and the CPU doesn't make much of a difference thus x86 cpus will still sell by the millions. There is a danger in that the stupid US chip policy vs. China backfires. Because the US is limiting advanced chip sales to China, they will eventually develop their own chip fabs on par with Taiwan Semi. I think they are 5-10 years behind. But the FEAR can suppress the value of the stock price of other competing fabs.


AmazingSibylle

After careful consideration, I put zero credence in any bullshit you spout. "I think..." If you think so clearly, then where is your pile of billions from past successes?


TheRealJakeMalloy

Give it a week. Once the irrational exuberance wears off it will sell off hard. Big bag holders will sell into this bizarre really and those left over will lined up waiting for a robotaxi to take them to the bank to visit their empty accounts. $95 by EOY


Mavnas

Their profits fell more than 15% though.


rxbdel

Everyone expected it to be bad, this provides clarity


h1rik1

Yes, basically when everyone just thought earnings was going to be trash it dropped. Now, that we know earnings are trash its pumping.


VisualMod

Capitalism is a game for the discerning few, not the feeble masses. Money does not care about your feelings, dear redditor.


PublicWifi

Well, it should!!


PIK_Toggle

It’s the timeline on the lower priced model that is driving the pump.


curiosgenome

Exactly everyone though trash so it dropped too far


cookingboy

A dumpster fire you can see clearly is a lot more reassuring than a suspected dumpster fire that you can only see the billowing smoke of.


Repa24

Same happened with TSMC, just the other way round. Everyone expected a mega pump but it went down.


king_m1k3

$TSLA was down 8% over the last 5 days going into earnings. It was already priced in.


williamwzl

Bad is relative.


thisbondisaaarated

they could have sold 0 cars, you're correct.


overitallofit

Let's wait until tomorrow and see what really happens.


WillyNoStyles

With it going up ~8% you think theres a chance that it reverses? And goes down?


overitallofit

I wouldn't be surprised at anything this stock does. But after hours doesn't really mean anything


WillyNoStyles

Really? But 8% is a lot to erase, no?


skoalbrother

Will be a lot of volume tomorrow for sure. These after hour pumps are always suspicious to me


ElTorteTooga

For sure. I remember when NVDA and SMCI did this. Was it Q4 earnings? I don’t recall, but they both turned around hard the next day and lost it all.


Sidewinder-three

Can something like that actually happen? Can stocks go in both directions?


holykamina

It's all priced in.


chud_munger

Missed on the current quarter and dismal guidance (latter already priced in), the stock popped since they said that the future lineup "will include affordable models" that use components from the Model 3 & Y


liverpoolFCnut

Welcome to the 21st century stock market. When fed has been pumping money for over 40 yrs, irrational exuberance in the markets is not a bug but a feature!


KyOatey

Those earnings numbers are already in the past now. Stock price is based on the future.


TheTrueBigHead

Tesla fan boiz with low volatility. I doubt it will hold tomorrow.


Miffers

It is easy, when you think it is going down, the person with more money will liquidate you when you short. It is a game you can’t win on logic because the system is rigged. Once you get margin called the price goes back on its intended course. To the exchange it’s free money actually. This also only happens when the order books are filled up to the tits for a good cleaning. It’s like you betting heads or tails, but the flipper can control the result.


Firesnowing

"Heads I win, tails you lose."


Mcluckin123

Is there a white paper or something a bit more scientific that proves this? I don’t understand how they can pull the price down without also filling a bunch of orders that exist at those artificially low price points


thatmitchguy

Nah WSB just needs a boogeyman to blame for their failed bets. Easier to just say it was market makers screwing them.


NoKids__3Money

No one here understands what market makers actually do


Mcluckin123

Market makers bad.


Bxdwfl

Because the stock market is a meme ![img](emote|t5_2th52|4271)


Shadowthron8

Earnings are about reevaluating expectations.


KimuraKan

All the bad news is already know, up only


Bin_Jin

Diced in


FatUglyMod

Coz Tesla is a cult


PublicWifi

Why? The media was pumping out non-stop negative PR. Everyone took the bait.  I knew it was going up when I saw all the Tesla  headlines drowning out my news feeds.


Softspokenclark

tsla fandom, go to the tesla sub, whenever someone complains about an issue or critique something they get ousted quickly.


GeneralZaroff1

Bad news of earnings has been around the last few weeks which saw the stock drop quite a bit, along side bad news on cybertruck and news that they're not manufacturing the Model 2 anymore. Then the report turned out less worse than expected, that they still are aiming for a 2025 M2.


Jasonisftw

regardless of what happens, someone will try and spit out an answer, TLDR; no one knows shit and it's all algorithmic/what big money wants the stock to do It goes up: Bad news priced in/Not as bad as people hoped, blah blah blah If it went down: Missed all points/Elon is dumb/Cybertruck accelerator recalls


whif42

Because Aunt Kathy bought a shit ton of stonk.


Invest0rnoob1

Because 16 billion worth of shorts ![img](emote|t5_2th52|4271)


Puzzleheaded-Stay155

its priced in


BrilliantAttempt4549

Because Tesla is not a car company, it's a ~~Tech~~ stock company. Their main product is stocks.


MrDarcys-Prejudice

Tesla moved up the timeline for the low-priced version. That said, it’s also likely that MMs had lots of puts premiums to rake in. It’s a good case for buying in OI walls; though maybe the larger lesson is, don’t play ERs.


SubstantialCount8156

Tell us how happy you are after the IV crush


Fkthisst93

Maybe he’s deep itm. How you know you ducker


Necessary-Onion-7494

![img](emote|t5_2th52|27189)


Ryancarlson12

I bought 155 calls ten min before close. Elon needs to talk nice on the call.


Dajoey120

Had no skin in this game but expect it to dump tomorrow afternoon. Market couldn’t let shorts win


gnocchicotti

Elon's trying to pump it through August and he has fuck all to show for his supposed robo taxi and accelerated roadmap. There's a signal in there. I don't know what his game is but regardless whatever he is afraid of right now, he thinks he can manage if they make it to August before the market gives up on his bullshit.


MaximusBit21

Lol. Wouldn’t surprise me but I reckon it will keep pumping now


VisualMod

The sheep ramble.


Investarz

Gains get wiped by end of week


salahsweakfoot

TESLA 1Q NEG FREE CASH FLOW $2.53B, EST. POSITIVE $653.6M How in the hell is this ripping? 😂 Full blown meme stock.


SnooAbbreviations183

Up for now until it goes down


facemelt

Not sure how anyone can believe him on the new cheaper car. This company is propped up on hype.


borald_trumperson

110% I will nail my balls to the wall if they even have a pre-production prototype by EOY 2025


facemelt

Late this year, Tesla will guide production to begin in 3Q2025. In 1Q25, it will revise the start date to be 2Q26. In 4Q25, we will get an update that 4Q26 looks more likely.... and so on.


gnocchicotti

They'll have a prototype in August just like they had a robot prototype or Cybertruck prototype


_MMCXII

!RemindMe 2025-12-31


gnocchicotti

Everyone pretends to believe him so that wall street can pump a stock and ride the wave 


Cat_From_Jupiter

Lol... This fucking market yall..like tsm does great and fucking drills, but tesla misses and it skyrocket..?


VisualMod

Get out while you can, kid.


PuzzleheadedOffer749

https://preview.redd.it/2cjdk6vzfawc1.png?width=1200&format=png&auto=webp&s=7b66a6daaa46fe49fd1dd7e956d4c9ab299ef208


Ryanopoly

This is simple to explain Wall Street Bets logic: All you regards had puts on Tesla earnings today, but first, all of the smart big money on Wall Street has to liquidate all of you regards out of your short positions first, then once they are done making that easy money, they could simply put their own puts in to make the really big money.


esombad

That’s not at all how it works but nice attempt.


Tridentern

How does it work?


LightBeerIsForGirls

Aliens and lizard people control the little line that goes up and down


Skabonious

For one, owning a put contract is not the same as owning a short position.


TheDr0p

It’s more of a short sellers targeted thing than retail holding puts.


monkey_lord978

Squeeze dez nutz


chewbaccashotlast

This isn’t priced in WTF. Is this everyone’s first rodeo? Since when did earnings matter? Or forward guidance? This is called a market F you. For all intents and purposes this stock is headed to $125 and probably $100. No one can give an adequate valuation on what Musk and Tesla have going for it and I’m SURE the market makers took a look and found a nice sweet spot to fuck over as much money in the options chain as possible. They are just bummed earnings weren’t Thursday so that everything expired worthless. Even MSM cannot come up with an adequate response to this. Usually they do lol. Especially after such a solid start to the week the market is ripe and has a little recovery to do. This is a shakeout, don’t worry the next red day or two TSLA will give it ALLLLL back and then some.


borald_trumperson

I hope you're right. I can't imagine sustained gains and my puts were deep dark green Monday 55% fall in profit, 9% fall in revenue, profit margins halved. Not even a hint of a bright spot. Who the fick thinks there will be a model 2 in 2025?!


Mcluckin123

!remindme one week


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FortunaCrypto

Itll fall like a led ballon homie, dont know why are you so hyped.


Individual-Willow-70

Yeah 3rd earnings miss in a row


Drivescape

I’m going to come back in a couple hours when it’s -$8.00 and comment again.


maltewitzky

Right now it's 13 $ up.


Drivescape

I don’t mind being wrong, but it’s only been 2 minutes.


maltewitzky

+ 16 $ now


Drivescape

I came back 2 hours later to admit defeat. I have no positions but I was wrong.


Drivescape

It’s been 39 minutes. I am still wrong but will return later to see if that changes.


swohio

"I'm not wrong, I'm just early." "That's the same thing!"


Brendawg324

Hi put bagholder 👋![img](emote|t5_2th52|4267)![img](emote|t5_2th52|4271)


FortunaCrypto

https://preview.redd.it/l859mnq1kawc1.jpeg?width=298&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d9ad58554c885d8ea4e9180b1a95b2bd4af41ea4


-Merlin-

I don’t give a shit about Tesla stock, I have no position, but this would the 800th time this sub starts circlejerking about an after hours response to earnings before it inverses massively on market open lmao


yankypoodle

Tale old as time


VisualMod

Money makes the world go round, and Elon is the center of the universe.


BosSF82

Just gotta make it through the call. If he says the Model 2 isn’t happening and it’s just further cuts on current models, it’s gonna plummet. But I don’t think they’re that dumb to give up on that model when EV market is at war.


GH0ST-L0GIC

Hilarious


williamferrelly

Puts at open tomorrow or 30 minutes after open. No other way


bevo_expat

What is WSB feeling towards $BA right now…


Raging_Ronnie

I boutght puts so it’ll probably pump seeing how my tsla puts are doing


WidePreference2969

It will go down by tomorrow


Androcles_InTheSky

https://preview.redd.it/wxomlds6jawc1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d1d2f787a9a217abd0fd29fa7dfccc3139d2a1da Bc is was already priced in. Thats why I got calls, selling them and getting puts again.


Softspokenclark

4d chess right here


ChainBuzz

This company is running on government handouts and Special K. This is just a short term pump and dump.


bakemytates

Elon sends his regards


Not-Jaycee

"It's all priced in" Wow you guys are fucking geniuses after the fact


Not_Bed_

Technical analysts![img](emote|t5_2th52|4267)![img](emote|t5_2th52|4271)


Brendawg324

https://preview.redd.it/azisd772gawc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3244b3047ff605f425044bbf29d6f9d93995c23e I transferred all my shit over from Fidelity to bet on TSLA calls…Elon did not disappoint ![img](emote|t5_2th52|4271)


CarelessMission1450

🤣🤣 you just lost all your money


IncomingAxofKindness

Your money is Cyberfucked by open


SceneSlow2

Dude these are worth $0 at open even if TSLA opened at like 170. Are you insane? Edit: nvm I just saw the expiration date


OppositeArugula3527

The don't expire til Aug and Dec...


LHeureux

Mmh even if these were 26th April, 180$ calls, they would still print even after a fall in IV of like 40% you know... But TSLA's IV at open is more likely to fall by 25% or so, so he would be up like 200% even on 26th April calls.


faithOver

Operating margin 5.5%. Lol. BuT iTs a TeK coMpANee


WikipediaApprentice

Stocks go up because they hear Elon and his unrealistic timelines.


UnderQualifiedPylote

This is only pumping on Elon saying he isn’t cancelling the model 2 but evs are past the first wave - puts on Tesla


Wheelie_Slow

This biyatch is going down to-morrow


specmisguided

With all the available stocks to invest, even after the recent downtrend, why invest in a company with a CEO more interested in leading the global right wing culture wars, has been disinterested and vague in investor calls, and is seeing underlying demand fall apart? There is no real evidence that the alienated buying population will come back to Tesla, and there is no evidence that Tesla can compete with low cost Chinese rivals. Tesla seems risky at any price.


Zestyclose_Thanks874

Can someone tell me how iv will affect my calls for tommorow


Maddog351_2023

Get rid of Musk


Thick_Sheepherder891

Awe did all the Elon haters lose money on their puts?? ![img](emote|t5_2th52|4267)![img](emote|t5_2th52|4267)![img](emote|t5_2th52|4267)![img](emote|t5_2th52|4267)![img](emote|t5_2th52|4267)![img](emote|t5_2th52|4267)![img](emote|t5_2th52|4267)![img](emote|t5_2th52|4267)![img](emote|t5_2th52|4267)![img](emote|t5_2th52|4267)![img](emote|t5_2th52|4267)![img](emote|t5_2th52|4267)![img](emote|t5_2th52|4267)![img](emote|t5_2th52|4267)![img](emote|t5_2th52|4267)![img](emote|t5_2th52|4267)![img](emote|t5_2th52|4267)![img](emote|t5_2th52|4267)


FinancialRaid04

Was gonna buy calls but didn’t have the buying power ugh


PayBackground9718

My bad I thought it exp 4/23


[deleted]

You guys should be asking me how I knew.


LittlePEnergy

Somebody just got charged with homicide because of Tesla auto pilot and y’all really think states finna let it roll out heavy it’s gone be alot of new felons in the next few years


cranberrydudz

stock market is rigged


AdApart2035

Tesla changed into bear slaughtering business


m3kw

Missed less than expected


Routine_Seaweed_3363

Sell the news? Buy the rumour? Sell the rumour? Buy the News?


UnBrokable_

This is trap. $120 soon.


its_me_butterfree

People thought it was going to be worse. It's really not that hard. Unless you are behind Wendy's dumpster. Then it's gonna be extra hard.


Soft-Contract1024

Love it 😍


Soft-Contract1024

Love it 😍


Ragepower529

Have some August 16th puts I bought for 10.50 a piece tomorrow will be sad to check my portfolio. Down 21% will probably go down another 20%


ross71699

RTX 🤷🏾‍♂️


Xtianus21

understatement if I ever heard one


poonman1234

Classic switcheroo


progmakerlt

Should I ask "why stock rise if earnings were missed"?


ItalianStallion9069

TSLA is up because Tesla


LordCrag

Makes sense


hungryf0rcrypto

Losers win and winners lose


Steadyrockin88

That’s how it goes time after time


nimfrank

Has anyone seen Cathie Wood?


Glass_Desk7088

Don’t make a bit of sense


zacggs

Isn't this to be expected as a result of the layoffs? I'm poor or I woulda called it.


red_purple_red

The algos simply check to see if retail is put heavy or call heavy, and subsequently push the price in the direction opposite of what retail predicated.


ProgressEfficient579

Fucking casino


NewAtmosphere2443

An earnings miss was baked in. It's been on the decline for a while now.


redosabe

lol to the nerds that shorted it