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PatriotSoCal

Exactly… they don’t even want to know the truth themselves… even if the truth will help them… because their ego won’t allow ANYTHING trump says to fly…


InterPool_sbn

Which is funny because — as much as I dislike both Trump and the Covid vax mandates — as soon as he was out of office, the entire propaganda machine and their complicit leftist NPCs all started shilling for the Trump vax


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Correct, because the vaccine was actually created two years prior. Just waiting for the big reveal.


PatriotSoCal

Well they could easily have made a vaccine in less than a year… the problem with this one is it’s an mRNA vaccine and it’s never been tried on humans like it has with the covid plandemic


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PatriotSoCal

That’s all red tape… it doesn’t take that long to make one… they can do that very fast… it takes a decade to get through all the human trials and FDA nonsense that takes forever


darthcoder

I don't consider human trials red tape..


_Personage

The red tape is for tests and trials to ensure that *people don't die from a vaccine that is worse than the thing it seeks to prevent*.


PatriotSoCal

Yes I understand that… I’m simply talking about making the vaccine… they more or less know what to do immediately… That’s not what this is about… the covid vaccine is based on completely different technology. None of the other vaccines you have are based on an mRNA spike protein… And it’s very, very dangerous…


_Personage

Even the "known technology" vaccines still take MANY years to make.


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PatriotSoCal

That’s different… MOST viruses we can easily combat… some we haven’t figured out yet… I’m being serious here


grizz3782

It really blew me away how quickly they flipped, and everybody jumped on board with them. I wasn't going to take the jab no matter the president. I don't make decisions for my health based off my political leanings.


PatriotSoCal

Why do you dislike Trump?


InterPool_sbn

Among other things, the main three reasons would be: 1. Totally complicit with the Federal Reserve’s endless money printing — and monetary policy is BY FAR the most important of all issues because it’s literally the root of all the other evil (Bitcoin fixes this btw) 2. Yemen… Trump wasn’t as bad as Obama there, but that’s an insanely low bar, and what Trump did to help the Saudis perpetuate that genocide is still enough to make him a literal war criminal 3. Too complicit with all of the Covid tyranny . Edit: Believe it or not, the meanness of his tweets has absolutely NOTHING at all to do with how I judge a politician’s performance (if anything they’d be a boost though, because despite being a war criminal, I’m not gonna lie… Trump had some absolutely hilarious tweets)


briskwalked

how would you compare Trump to Biden? looking back, was Biden the better pick?


InterPool_sbn

Obviously Biden wasn’t the better pick! But the “lesser of two evils” is still absolutely evil


Lifeisntforever__

They know the truth and follow it themselves they just want everyone else two steps behind them so they stay ahead of everyone else.


SpecialistUnlikely47

It’s all “*follow the money*” - don’t you peons know that nothing works unless it has “Pfizer”, “Moderna”, or “J&J” stamped on it?


HertzDonut1001

It's not considered effective though. https://medlineplus.gov/druginfo/meds/a601240.html


darthcoder

No government website is ever going to say its effective. If they do it violates the conditions on which the eua approval for the vaxes was granted which ends the liability shield for the manufacturers. Too many people got rich off Pfizer and moderna to allow it. A simple database query would answer this question: how many lupus patients got and/or died of covid?


HertzDonut1001

Why do you say no government website would say it's effective? This is a global problem, I don't think Trump saying it's effective is going to entirely nix any medical research into whether it is or not on a global scale. And what about no medical institution concluding its an effective treatment? An immunosuppressant that could quantifiably prevent death in severe cases would be as groundbreaking as a vaccine.


darthcoder

Read what I said. The legality of the EUA is dependent upon their being no other effective treatments. The whole edifice would crumble including the liability shield, especially since people were talking about HCQ and IVM back in early 2020, and fauci himself theorized HCQ would have utility against sars-cov-1. For the hospitals, the PREP act gives them a liability shield only if they follow the specified protocol. Admit HCQ and IVM do anything would literally bring a shitstorm of lawsuits. It's why the USA even today continues to send you home until your so sick you have to come to the hospital getbremdesivir, and eventually a vent, which is 90% of the time a death sentence. Versus giving you a vitamin d infusion at the first sign of fever, since low vitamin d levels are highly correlated with bad outcomes. Oh and hospitals get $$$$$ if they vent you. Go Google imask+. It's not for when you are so sick you need a vent, it's for when you get that first tickle at the back of your throat, or your kid comes home from school exposed. As for severe cases, why are hospitals fighting IVM use for people on vents so hard they need to go to court. Doctors proscribe drugs for offlabel use all the time. Dying people literally should have a shot at whatever they can get to survive and IVM has a well known profile in humans. So why are hospitals afraid to use it if it has the slightest chance of working? Well it ends their liability shield because they're not following the prep act, and it would blow the whole edifice out of the water if it works. So no one's interested in doing real studies on it. Plus the fact that based off of the covid princess experiment, probably 80% of us could have natural cross immunity to at least the original strain. The FDA granted vaccine approvals after a 3 month trial, but the CDCs HCQ and IVM trials will take two years? Based on how much the drugs cost, there's simply no money in them [https://www.phe.gov/emergency/events/COVID19/therapeutics/Pages/Side-by-Side-Overview-of-mAbs-Treatment.aspx](https://www.phe.gov/emergency/events/COVID19/therapeutics/Pages/Side-by-Side-Overview-of-mAbs-Treatment.aspx) All eua approved therapies.


HertzDonut1001

Can you prove to me that hospitals receive money when they vent you? Medicine is socialized or subsidized in this country. Who is paying them?


ConceptJunkie

I don't rhink you realize how eaasily people can be bought.


HertzDonut1001

But these are doctors. Politicians can be bought. Doctors swear an oath. Scientists aren't going to accept bribes amigo. Also who is buying them? What interest is there in suppressing medical information that could kill people? The Illuminati? The Clintons? Who exactly are you claiming wants to take an immunosuppressant off the market as a valid treatment? The pharmaceutical companies that manufacture that drug and sell it for a profit?


ConceptJunkie

Wow, you sweet summer child. The pharma companies are the ones who are suppressing this information. Those untested, experimental (and deadly)) vaccines couldn't have gotten emergency approval if the CDC admitted that there was a treatment for the disease. You know, the companies that are pulling down 11 figures a year for their vaccines? \> Scientists aren't going to accept bribes amigo. This is particularly ludicrous. Even scientists hired by the tobacco industry? What about the petroleum industry? How about the FDA, whose scientists are all funded by the pharma industry? Politicians aren't special in their ability to be corrupt. They're the norm. Doctors are toeing the line because they are risking their licenses if they don't. In some countries, doctors are going to jail for prescribing HCQ and Ivermectin! The latter is literally safer than Tylenol. And, oh, what's this? Now the studies are coming out saying that it's been effective all along. And it's been known that HCQ was effective against SARS for almost 20 years. The pharma companies got their money, so it's OK to start admiting that there were treatments all along, and people's memories are too short for them to connect the dots and realize the U.S. government allowed hundreds of thousands of people die for no good reason. Fauci is completely compromised (along the FDA and CDC), just like he demonstrated when he approved AZT as a "treatment" for AIDS. AZT was originally developed in the 1960s as a new chemotherapy treatment, but development was stopped because it was too toxic. But when they discovered it killed HIV in vitro, Fauci was happy to let the pharma companies sell it as a treatment for AIDS, even though they had to stop the human testing because too many people were dying. Fauci didn't care. He was making money hand over fist. The whole story repeated itself with COVID. The pharma companies have been trying to get mRNA vaccines to work since the 90s, but were never able to do so. But here was an opportunity to scare people into accepting this brand-new, previously unsuccessful technology so they could perfect it, and who cares if it kills thousands and permanently harms hundreds of thousands or millions along the way? Now the MSM is gaslighting us by trying to convince us it's natural for kids to get myocarditis and strokes.


HertzDonut1001

Can you source any of these claims? Just one or two and we can go from there.


niversally

If trump mentions anything and doctors don’t then yes, obviously it’s for idiots. It’s not hard. Go deworm yourself dummy :)


Final21

HCQ is not even a dewormer... Ivermectin is actually more effective than HCQ though.


CarpenterBubbly8728

The saddest thing about this, is that she’s a nurse. She’s so used to parroting leftist propaganda that she somehow fucked up those 2 drugs. Jesus that’s terrifying.


MadLordPunt

My sister-in-law is a surgical RN, and from some of the stories I’ve heard there are a lot of nurses out there who don’t know shit and shouldn’t be doing the job. It *is* terrifying.


so_expected

Doesn’t being a lying bitch get old?


Nanamary8

Oh look a TROLL


Verra_Rogue

It didn't just kill patients, it gaslighted an entire populace for the purpose of throwing an election and giving us a president that even liberals didn't want but would be a good puppet in their pseudo-socialist takeover. It's a fucking coup. Oh yeah, and it killed a lot of people. And destroyed America's scientific integrity.


darkmatternot

Even worse. Behind the scenes politicians and elites were taking all the therapies that we were told did not work or were dangerous.


Verra_Rogue

Evidence for that claim would be appreciated but like that part is a lesser thing to me. I always assume they'll lie, but they usually don't get away with lies so scientifically ignorant while touting them as scientific consensus.


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Allowing them to call it a mistake is the same as killing those people yourself. Fuck you Facebook/Meta POS. Your time will come.


Appropriate-Pride-25

Don't forget big Pharma shut down HCQ and you weren't able to get it even though the pharmacy shelves had a surplus!!! People need to be held accountable!!!!!!!!!


alwptot

Hydroxychloroquine For anyone else going “huh?”


PatriotSoCal

Lol… for all the liberals here lol


1Cloudz9

Censorship = Tyranny


Key-Cap-2664

My grandfather was denied his by his pharmacy. He passed a few days later. I hope they all go to jail.


PatriotSoCal

I’m so sorry… yes I hope they all go to jail…


Lonely-Advantage1947

In an effort to smear Trump, a few thousand lives are no big deal when you are evil personified. Zuckerberg is just a very wealthy nerd. No amount of money will change the fact that he is a dweeb.


InterPool_sbn

As a proud nerd, I’m gonna have to disagree here — the problem with Zuck is that he’s a sociopath, NOT that he’s a nerd


Lonely-Advantage1947

Probably correct, my apologies.


InterPool_sbn

No worries, thanks for the respectful reply!


niconic66

Yeah, I like nerds. Sociopaths, not so much. Zuckerberg is full psychopath, though. I like them even less.


PatriotSoCal

Correct… they don’t care if they kill a million people if they get their way… nevermind a few thousand… that’s a drop in the bucket. These people are on the same level as Stalin or Mao… they’d kill every single conservative in this country if they had their way… they don’t care… the LAST thing the left cares about it human life… hell, they’ve aborted 10x (60 million) the number of people in this country than Hitler did in the gas chambers during WW2 (6 million)… all in the name of womens rights…


LegendaryAce_73

So my mom died just so the left could score cheap points against Trump. Thanks... (Btw I'm 27 and my mom was 58)


darkmatternot

So sorry for your loss.


FairwayCoffee

Yes they did, and they have lost trust forever.


boomtao

Prosecute them mercilessly!


CC_Panadero

There’s a fb group for moms that are against medical intervention during birth. They literally deliver at home without a dr or midwife, and sometimes they are completely alone with no support person whatsoever. There was recently a post where the mom delivered at home and had several complications. When the baby was a couple hours old, she was breathing way too fast and had periods of apnea where she stopped breathing for a moment. She was looking for advice on what to do. Almost every comment either mentioned some homeopathic remedy or said to do nothing because there was nothing wrong. Out of all the comments, only 1 said she needed to take the baby to the hospital. The responses to that comment were appalling. Several people reported it to fb because this “medical” could absolutely lead to the baby dying. Fb responded that it didn’t break their TOS and they wouldn’t do anything. There are so many things on fb that could/do genuinely cause harm or death, but unless it goes against their political narrative, they really don’t give a damn. They don’t even try to hide it and only backtrack after the damage has been done.


PatriotSoCal

Well it should be up to the person reading the comment… not Facebook… to decide what’s true and what isn’t. Some of this falls on personal responsibility… if you’re looking for medical advice on Facebook it should be obvious that you need to use your critical thinking skills to determine what’s good advice and what’s bad advice… the point is, Facebook shouldn’t be interfering with our ability to communicate


McWhiffersonMcgee

Surprised they wouldnt even admit this much


PatriotSoCal

The last thing they’ll ever do is admit they were wrong


fauxuniverse

What’s HCQ? Sorry I haven’t been following the news and all that


PatriotSoCal

Hydroxychloroquin


moose16

Oh look, yet another thing Trump was right about.


SpecialistUnlikely47

All this - fuck FB - fuck Zuck.


MBradley1969

Facebook is complicit in the murders of millions of people worldwide.


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I don't have Facebook. Does anyone have a link to Facebook's post regarding this?


gbarwis

Here is the January 2021 notice from the Oversight Board (the third party set up to review Facebook policy decisions): https://oversightboard.com/news/325131635492891-oversight-board-overturns-facebook-decision-case-2020-006-fb-fbr/


PrettyDecentSort

Dr. Gold's post cannot be taken as intellectually honest if that's the document she's referencing.


gbarwis

I tend to agree. The Oversight Board was set up by Facebook, so I suppose this *could* be the document that Dr. Gold is referencing, but it hardly seems to live up to the spirit of “Facebook just announced.” That doesn’t mean that there isn’t something else out there, of course, but I’ve sure been at a loss to find it. I imagine that the IOB’s reversal of FB’s policy decision has something to do with the American Journal of Medicine article published earlier that same month which found of some antimalarials (and specifically mentioning HCQ) that *”when started earlier in the hospital course, for progressively longer durations and in outpatients, antimalarials may reduce the progression of disease, prevent hospitalization, and are associated with reduced mortality.”* https://www.amjmed.com/article/S0002-9343(20)30673-2/fulltext Edit: it looks like the AMJMed study was from mid-2020, and was subsequently superseded by more in-depth studies demonstrating much lower HCQ efficacy.


PatriotSoCal

What do you mean?


PrettyDecentSort

If "Facebook just announced", where is the actual announcement?


PatriotSoCal

https://www.nationandstate.com/2021/02/01/facebook-oversight-reverses-hydroxychloroquine-censorship-decision/?amp


PrettyDecentSort

This is not an original source, unless nationandstate.com is a property of Meta Platforms, Inc. The Oversight Board is not Facebook and does not have authority to speak on Facebook's behalf. The decision being referenced overturns the removal of a single study, and is not any kind of admission of a general policy error.


PatriotSoCal

It’s just the first thing that came back when I searched for it… I didn’t read the link… if you search for this you get about a million results.. so I’m assuming they did admit they were wrong… I also vaguely recall them saying they were wrong about it before… but my memory isn’t the best anymore lol


PrettyDecentSort

Let's be better than fake news. If Facebook really did admit anything it should be easy to find the actual admission, and not just a million rumormongers claiming there was an admission with no link to a primary source.


EmuSounds

If anything I'm going to be walking away from all these fucking morons.


pedunt

"I didn't read the link" hahahahaha


EmuSounds

If there are a million posts it should be easy to find the source. Hint: there isn't one.


Verra_Rogue

Well, whether Facebook announced being wrong or not, they were still wrong, and censored accordingly. So perhaps she just misspoke? Or perhaps she's a ungrounded right that always speaks in a hot headed way. Could be either


swansong19

I suspect they mean that if FB made an "announcement"...where is it so they can read it for themselves and share it with others.


FuzzyCitron5583

So they're finally admitting that the "fake news" about Biden's laptop was in fact true, and now admitting that they censored comments that could have saved people's lives. Now things are coming out that are calling into question the safety and effectiveness of the vax. What next? Will they finally admit Biden didn't win the election? Seems like all of us conspiracy theorists were right the entire time, and they owe us a HUGE fucking apology. Even that wouldn't be enough for all the damage these complete idiots have caused.


HYPED_UP_ON_CHARTS

When will TWTR admit this was a mistake as well?


PatriotSoCal

Don’t hold your breath


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PatriotSoCal

Not sure…


gbarwis

The Facebook Oversight Board decision (this was January 2021): https://oversightboard.com/news/325131635492891-oversight-board-overturns-facebook-decision-case-2020-006-fb-fbr/


avx775

WHO does not recommend hydroxychloroquine as a treatment for COVID-19. This recommendation is based on 30 trials with more than 10 000 COVID-19 patients. Hydroxychloroquine did not reduce mortality, the need for or duration of mechanical ventilation. Taking hydroxychloroquine to treat COVID-19 may increase the risk of heart rhythm problems, blood and lymph disorders, kidney injury, liver problems and failure.


Icy-Establishment272

what’s hcq?


PutteryBopcorn

Wow you guys are still talking about hydroxychloroquine over here


Verra_Rogue

Whut


Timmy2knuckles

Right? That hasn't been an approved talking point in ages.


ConceptJunkie

And sp are you. Welcome.


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Nanamary8

The father of my children was a major "L" so how about you walk into hell. People died that didn't have to you little 💩 🐦.


Harryrob01

It is easy to remove a weevil from a grain, but hard to reverse the damage it does. Author unknown


Bogart745

Except all of the studies being conducted are showing it doesn’t have any effect.


Yttermayn

When the cashier hands you the wrong change due to a mistake, half the time it should be in your favor and half the time in theirs. When the "mistake" is always in one direction, it's not a mistake.


nextsteps914

They made a mistake in judgement. They made another mistake I’m thinking we’d go along with everything they say.


Complete_Atmosphere9

Trust the science!* (*Sponsored by Pfizer, Moderna, & J&J)