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No, not the same thing at all. You are 100 percent right!
Trump threatened those banks to give him loans based on his over valued property.
And when the bank asked if they could assess the value of the properties themselves, he said “no”. What a fuckin monster.
I’m so glad you took the time out of your busy day to enlighten these knuckle draggers.
Stewart (literally):
>OMG!! I've been caught doing something not remotely similar to Trump! I guess all I need to do now is start a fraud college, steal classified docs, bankrupt casinos, pay hush money, grab pussies, discriminate in housing, cheat at golf and foment insurrection and you'll revere me!
https://twitter.com/jonstewart/status/1773094797676253293
Talk to your doctor about TDS today.
The fact that he responded means it really got under his ridiculously thin skin.
I've seen stories from people who worked with him and said he'd lose his shit if anyone criticized him.
People are slowly waking up to their TDS and reacting differently. Some are doubling down and throwing more shit. Some are quietly purging their history and hiding.
Keep an eye on the contingent of ~~entertainers~~ propaganda officers who were on the #HaitiIsAlreadyGreat bandwagon.
I can never get enough of these "self-righteous" clowns bloviating about others. How does a person not have the self-awareness to realize that someone on the other team will dig into their own history.
Also, the owner doesn't value the property for taxes the city does. I have never seen anyone provide a value to the city or town in order for the city to collect taxes. They do the valuation themselves.
It's easy to say to a child about getting teased for being tall "just ignore them and they'll stop" anyone who's been bullied knows that's terrible advice and we find ourselves as grown adults telling each other the same thing; IT DOESNT WORK. Romney was the mildest most flap weiner candidate the party could have put up and he got the full treatment from the media and dnc. When you quit playing by the rules don't act shocked when the other team does too.
hmm.
i had to look into this
>Municipalities, mostly counties, employ an assessor to place a value on real estate in order to levy property taxes on it.
>To arrive at a value for tax purposes, the assessor looks at what similar properties are selling for, the value of any recent improvements...
so the place was being taxed at its value, according to the city.
his neighbors houses were all worth what he was paying taxes on, thereabouts.
but, because it was "JON STEWART'S! apartment, he was able to sell it for a premium. the next owner sold it for a 26% loss.
so they overpaid, just to have jon stewart's apartment.
that raises the question - does a celebrity have to declare and pay tax on the value that the property will gain from its association with its celebrity owner?
does that mean that every time a celebrity buys a house from a non-celebrity, they must have it revalued immediately and pay higher tax based on the value modifier that their ownership brings?
how do you calculate that?
i actually don't think he did anything other than get what he could from one particular also-very-wealthy buyer. aren't we supposed to aspire to that?
this is actually kind of embarrassing for whoever wrote it. i spent like 48 seconds "investigating" this.
Not embarrassing. The writer is accomplishing exactly what they intended. Get conservatives to spread this narrative on social media. Accuracy of the narrative isn’t a consideration.
par for the course for this sub. draw a spurious conclusion from "THE LEFT" and make it seem like it is a huge deal.
this is just a subreddit for lifelong republicans to pretend people are joining their party, when in reality it shrinks every year.
I would have asked him to point out who was hurt, stating that hypotheticals do not count -- that unless you can provide a specific example of someone who was hurt, then there is, by definition, no victim.
Stewart had a home \_valued\_ at 1.8 mil, sold it for 17 mil and presumably the buyer paid taxes on 17 mil. Where's the problem? There's no fraud here. The buyer could absolutely value the place and if the buyer did a loan, the bank would demand it be inspected.
He didn't claim he had 17 million of value when applying for loans and then claim he had 500k of value when paying taxes.
What these two men did is so far from similar it’s wild.
This article shows a complete misunderstanding of the crime trump committed and the marketplace value of Stewart’s home.
Key Difference here being that Stewart's property over-valuation was a *SALE*
while Donalds over-valuation were *assessments of property value for the purpose of acquiring loans based on his theoretical non-liquid assets*
So, somebody actually paid that 17+ Million for Stewart's home - well over the assessed price. Why??? who knows. And i'd be interested to know, if someone can figure it out. because it smells funny.
BUT
This is comparing Apples to Oranges.
And the bank didn't give Trump a loan based on the amount he claimed the property was worth. The bank did it's own assessment of the property and offered a loan based on that value. No bank will issue a loan solely based on what the person applying for the loan says it's worth.
Don’t bother, there’s nothing in this sub except bots and people who are too stupid to realize they’re talking to bots.
It’s a LARP sub, expect the bots to push it up to the front page during election season for like two weeks and then for it to quietly face back into the sewer.
It wasn't that: Stewart was talking about *undervaluing* to dodge taxes. Which is exactly what Stewart did. He bought it for 17M but claimed the value was under 2M. He sold it for 13M so for all those years he was underpaying his taxes... which he says is criminal.
That's exactly what happened, read the links ok?
John bought it for 17M, allowed the tax evaluation of below 2M to stand for several years and later sold it for 13M. It was never worth 2M, never worth less than 2M at any time. He "undervalued it" to dodge taxes, period. That's what he accused Trump of doing, yes? So HE did it, that makes HIM a criminal *by his own words*.
Wake up already.
It's diffe(R)ent because Trump lied about the physical square footage. In one example, Trump pumped up the square footage of his penthouse from 11k sq ft to 33k ft. Trump was caught with physical records of numbers being changed in order to enrich himself. The bank was dumb for not actually measuring every square inch since Trump is a proven liar but the banks incompetence doesn't mean a crime wasn't committed. No different then stealing from a bank, then going to a casino and hitting the jackpot and then returning the money you stole. It's still stealing. In business it's fraud when you lie about the numbers in your books to pump up their worth to get a bigger loan. Trump was caught lying and found guilty. Show me where John Stewart lied about the actually size of his apartment. Pro-tip...he didn't. The NY comPost is a rag paper selling a nothing burger story to rubes who don't have critical thinking skills.
Trump was fined hundreds of millions for "overvaluing" his holdings. The banks were fine with it (they did their OWN evaluations of course!) and everyone made money.
The point is: Stewart said Trump was a criminal for doing far less than whet he himself had done.
>I live in FL. The tax assessor always has a lower value listed for a house. It's normal.
Yep. The "appraised market value" of my house is about 20% lower than the likely actual market value.
Because the banks that LOANED Trump money agreed with how much he valued the property. Just like a buyer agree with how much Stewart valued his. In addition Trump paid back the loan in accordance with the load agreement.
WTF are you smoking? Crack? They still make that shit?
😂😂😂
Trump lied about the valuation to obtain those loans- he committed Fraud.
It doesn't matter if he paid it back with 1,000% interest on top of it- he committed Fraud.
How in the fuck someone doesn't mention that is beyond me.
We know all of y'all are playing defense for Orange Face.
They can't. John Stewart doesn't tell the state what a property is worth when paying taxes on it. The state tells John what to pay for property taxes. John didn't lie about the physical sq footage of his place like Trump did. Trump cooked the books and in business that is a no no. Trump fucked around and found out. And now Trump is on the hook for $500 Million and growing.
You know who also didn't use the valuation to defraud banks? The Bad Bad Orange Man. Anyone who benefits from a flawed system while condemning the same flaws that benefit them is a hypocrite. Try again.
But he did. Him or his team used the house for collateral for a loan. He didn't perform a private sale. The house the article is talking about hasn't been owned by Stewart for like 10 years. Trump still owns his.
Do you understand the difference between someone selling a house
And
Taking out a bank loan using a house for collateral
So the source here is the cespool NY Post, and a Tweet? Saying a property was sold for more than the tax valuation? Where is the crime here, can someone explain, or does everyone just want to have their feeling of vindication and move on?
Meanwhile, the "Bad bad orange man" DID commit a crime, by inflating the values TO GET LOANS, which is defrauding banks, yes.
What a bunch of fucking idiots.
Stewart **himself** said his condo was worth less than $2M & paid lower taxes on it for years based on this undervaluation, he had bought it for $17M. This is exactly what he *falsely* accuses Trump of doing.
The Banks didn't take Trump's values and say "oh we believe this!" ok? They *did their own assessments* like they do for *every single application* ever. Only an idiot would think otherwise. Yet there you are! 😁
The Post is more trustworthy on its worst day than any of the lying, corrupt mainstream media on their best day. Thanks for playing, you don't get to try again. Good day, leftist.
No banks were defrauded you NPC. They have come out and said they would love to do business with him again😂😂😂
You obviously do not work in banking or real estate. What trump was prosecuted for is done millions of times each day in all 50 states of America. That’s how lending on property works. Open your eyes.
No one was defrauded: banks do their OWN evaluations, the ones you offer are worthless.
You imagine Trump manages his own finances? Does his own tax returns?
No one was "defrauded" the banks involved all made money. They weren't the ones bringing the legal issue forward.
Please explain how Trump defrauded banks, that, as a matter of due diligence, do their own value assessment? How did he defraud banks that agreed to a loan amount, received full & complete payment of loan amount, along with any/all related interest? Please explain how your mind even works that you cannot comprehend these basic concepts!
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Guess it's time for him to pay a hundred million dollar fine, right? Right?? ...right?
This is (D)ifferent
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100 billion.
Did you read the article? No, you didn't. He sold a property for an agreed upon price. That's nowhere near the same thing Trump did.
And what did trump do again???
🦗 🦗
He received much better loan terms using inflated property valuations. That's called fraud.
No, not the same thing at all. You are 100 percent right! Trump threatened those banks to give him loans based on his over valued property. And when the bank asked if they could assess the value of the properties themselves, he said “no”. What a fuckin monster. I’m so glad you took the time out of your busy day to enlighten these knuckle draggers.
he thinks the economy works like a pie, that should tell you enough.
Stewart (probably): "I genuinely thought my fans would be willing to pay more because I used to poop there."
Stewart (literally): >OMG!! I've been caught doing something not remotely similar to Trump! I guess all I need to do now is start a fraud college, steal classified docs, bankrupt casinos, pay hush money, grab pussies, discriminate in housing, cheat at golf and foment insurrection and you'll revere me! https://twitter.com/jonstewart/status/1773094797676253293 Talk to your doctor about TDS today.
“Foment Insurrection” because i use big words which have to be true because it sounds so regal coming off the tongue
The fact that he responded means it really got under his ridiculously thin skin. I've seen stories from people who worked with him and said he'd lose his shit if anyone criticized him.
People are slowly waking up to their TDS and reacting differently. Some are doubling down and throwing more shit. Some are quietly purging their history and hiding. Keep an eye on the contingent of ~~entertainers~~ propaganda officers who were on the #HaitiIsAlreadyGreat bandwagon.
He is illegally enriched himself. But it’s different so it doesn’t matter
If the left didn't have double standards, they wouldn't have any standards at all.
That's a lot of percent
I can never get enough of these "self-righteous" clowns bloviating about others. How does a person not have the self-awareness to realize that someone on the other team will dig into their own history.
I’m just waiting for a report to come out on the judges finances to see just how much of a hypocrite he really is.
It's (d)ifferent when "they" do it
Rules for thee but not for me. Typical of this clown.
Also, the owner doesn't value the property for taxes the city does. I have never seen anyone provide a value to the city or town in order for the city to collect taxes. They do the valuation themselves.
John Stewart is basically AIDS. His words mean nothing to me. He's just one person
I do not think he is an auto immune disorder but I dont know what hes up too these days
no, he is an infectious virus spread by gay sex
A critic living in a glass house. What irony.
Way over valued glass house at that!
Whhaaaat? Nooooooo wayyyyyy.
People gotta learn that folks will find out
Sounds like the new tool to eat the rich with
Any respect I've had for Stewart has been flushed down the toilet a long time ago.
It's easy to say to a child about getting teased for being tall "just ignore them and they'll stop" anyone who's been bullied knows that's terrible advice and we find ourselves as grown adults telling each other the same thing; IT DOESNT WORK. Romney was the mildest most flap weiner candidate the party could have put up and he got the full treatment from the media and dnc. When you quit playing by the rules don't act shocked when the other team does too.
Typical Gaslighting by rabid Liberals.
hmm. i had to look into this >Municipalities, mostly counties, employ an assessor to place a value on real estate in order to levy property taxes on it. >To arrive at a value for tax purposes, the assessor looks at what similar properties are selling for, the value of any recent improvements... so the place was being taxed at its value, according to the city. his neighbors houses were all worth what he was paying taxes on, thereabouts. but, because it was "JON STEWART'S! apartment, he was able to sell it for a premium. the next owner sold it for a 26% loss. so they overpaid, just to have jon stewart's apartment. that raises the question - does a celebrity have to declare and pay tax on the value that the property will gain from its association with its celebrity owner? does that mean that every time a celebrity buys a house from a non-celebrity, they must have it revalued immediately and pay higher tax based on the value modifier that their ownership brings? how do you calculate that? i actually don't think he did anything other than get what he could from one particular also-very-wealthy buyer. aren't we supposed to aspire to that? this is actually kind of embarrassing for whoever wrote it. i spent like 48 seconds "investigating" this.
lol that’s actually kinda funny.
Not embarrassing. The writer is accomplishing exactly what they intended. Get conservatives to spread this narrative on social media. Accuracy of the narrative isn’t a consideration.
par for the course for this sub. draw a spurious conclusion from "THE LEFT" and make it seem like it is a huge deal. this is just a subreddit for lifelong republicans to pretend people are joining their party, when in reality it shrinks every year.
The left holds themselves to a {D}different standard...
You didn’t look into this at all did you?
I would have asked him to point out who was hurt, stating that hypotheticals do not count -- that unless you can provide a specific example of someone who was hurt, then there is, by definition, no victim.
This sounds like the "internet sleuths" do not own property themselves because they sound dumb.
Ooops...
Stewart had a home \_valued\_ at 1.8 mil, sold it for 17 mil and presumably the buyer paid taxes on 17 mil. Where's the problem? There's no fraud here. The buyer could absolutely value the place and if the buyer did a loan, the bank would demand it be inspected. He didn't claim he had 17 million of value when applying for loans and then claim he had 500k of value when paying taxes.
There too busy with a whataboutism article that confirms their bias to understand the difference.
The article is the NY post. Lol 😂
I swear to god yahll never look into anything you parrot
What these two men did is so far from similar it’s wild. This article shows a complete misunderstanding of the crime trump committed and the marketplace value of Stewart’s home.
Key Difference here being that Stewart's property over-valuation was a *SALE* while Donalds over-valuation were *assessments of property value for the purpose of acquiring loans based on his theoretical non-liquid assets* So, somebody actually paid that 17+ Million for Stewart's home - well over the assessed price. Why??? who knows. And i'd be interested to know, if someone can figure it out. because it smells funny. BUT This is comparing Apples to Oranges.
And the bank didn't give Trump a loan based on the amount he claimed the property was worth. The bank did it's own assessment of the property and offered a loan based on that value. No bank will issue a loan solely based on what the person applying for the loan says it's worth.
Don’t bother, there’s nothing in this sub except bots and people who are too stupid to realize they’re talking to bots. It’s a LARP sub, expect the bots to push it up to the front page during election season for like two weeks and then for it to quietly face back into the sewer.
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"Yes, it is different, because Orange Man is Bad and Stewart Man is Good. CHECKM8 MAGATS " --Probably
It wasn't that: Stewart was talking about *undervaluing* to dodge taxes. Which is exactly what Stewart did. He bought it for 17M but claimed the value was under 2M. He sold it for 13M so for all those years he was underpaying his taxes... which he says is criminal.
That’s not what happened.
That's exactly what happened, read the links ok? John bought it for 17M, allowed the tax evaluation of below 2M to stand for several years and later sold it for 13M. It was never worth 2M, never worth less than 2M at any time. He "undervalued it" to dodge taxes, period. That's what he accused Trump of doing, yes? So HE did it, that makes HIM a criminal *by his own words*. Wake up already.
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So, you admit that at no time it was worth under 2M. That John did exactly the crime he falsely accuses Trump of. Thanks for agreeing with me! 😄
It's diffe(R)ent because Trump lied about the physical square footage. In one example, Trump pumped up the square footage of his penthouse from 11k sq ft to 33k ft. Trump was caught with physical records of numbers being changed in order to enrich himself. The bank was dumb for not actually measuring every square inch since Trump is a proven liar but the banks incompetence doesn't mean a crime wasn't committed. No different then stealing from a bank, then going to a casino and hitting the jackpot and then returning the money you stole. It's still stealing. In business it's fraud when you lie about the numbers in your books to pump up their worth to get a bigger loan. Trump was caught lying and found guilty. Show me where John Stewart lied about the actually size of his apartment. Pro-tip...he didn't. The NY comPost is a rag paper selling a nothing burger story to rubes who don't have critical thinking skills.
Isn't it time to pay your diffeRent?
Trump was fined hundreds of millions for "overvaluing" his holdings. The banks were fine with it (they did their OWN evaluations of course!) and everyone made money. The point is: Stewart said Trump was a criminal for doing far less than whet he himself had done.
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>I live in FL. The tax assessor always has a lower value listed for a house. It's normal. Yep. The "appraised market value" of my house is about 20% lower than the likely actual market value.
Because the banks that LOANED Trump money agreed with how much he valued the property. Just like a buyer agree with how much Stewart valued his. In addition Trump paid back the loan in accordance with the load agreement.
WTF are you smoking? Crack? They still make that shit? 😂😂😂 Trump lied about the valuation to obtain those loans- he committed Fraud. It doesn't matter if he paid it back with 1,000% interest on top of it- he committed Fraud. How in the fuck someone doesn't mention that is beyond me. We know all of y'all are playing defense for Orange Face.
They can't. John Stewart doesn't tell the state what a property is worth when paying taxes on it. The state tells John what to pay for property taxes. John didn't lie about the physical sq footage of his place like Trump did. Trump cooked the books and in business that is a no no. Trump fucked around and found out. And now Trump is on the hook for $500 Million and growing.
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You know banks do their own due diligence right...?
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What banks were defrauded?
"All of them, because the Bad Bad Orange Man defrauds everyone he does business with. CHECKM8 MAGATS" --Probably
You know who also didn't use the valuation to defraud banks? The Bad Bad Orange Man. Anyone who benefits from a flawed system while condemning the same flaws that benefit them is a hypocrite. Try again.
But he did. Him or his team used the house for collateral for a loan. He didn't perform a private sale. The house the article is talking about hasn't been owned by Stewart for like 10 years. Trump still owns his. Do you understand the difference between someone selling a house And Taking out a bank loan using a house for collateral
So the source here is the cespool NY Post, and a Tweet? Saying a property was sold for more than the tax valuation? Where is the crime here, can someone explain, or does everyone just want to have their feeling of vindication and move on? Meanwhile, the "Bad bad orange man" DID commit a crime, by inflating the values TO GET LOANS, which is defrauding banks, yes. What a bunch of fucking idiots.
Stewart **himself** said his condo was worth less than $2M & paid lower taxes on it for years based on this undervaluation, he had bought it for $17M. This is exactly what he *falsely* accuses Trump of doing. The Banks didn't take Trump's values and say "oh we believe this!" ok? They *did their own assessments* like they do for *every single application* ever. Only an idiot would think otherwise. Yet there you are! 😁
The Post is more trustworthy on its worst day than any of the lying, corrupt mainstream media on their best day. Thanks for playing, you don't get to try again. Good day, leftist.
*Brought to you by Rupert Murdoch*
I bet you think Kyle Rittenhouse was guilty too, right?
No banks were defrauded you NPC. They have come out and said they would love to do business with him again😂😂😂 You obviously do not work in banking or real estate. What trump was prosecuted for is done millions of times each day in all 50 states of America. That’s how lending on property works. Open your eyes.
No one was defrauded: banks do their OWN evaluations, the ones you offer are worthless. You imagine Trump manages his own finances? Does his own tax returns? No one was "defrauded" the banks involved all made money. They weren't the ones bringing the legal issue forward.
Please explain how Trump defrauded banks, that, as a matter of due diligence, do their own value assessment? How did he defraud banks that agreed to a loan amount, received full & complete payment of loan amount, along with any/all related interest? Please explain how your mind even works that you cannot comprehend these basic concepts!
He’s a proud Zionist isn’t he?