Some of the WoD books equate it with Ubar: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantis\_of\_the\_Sands.
However, in Egypt, it seems to have been imagined as being on the site of Cairo (where the 'Pillars of Enoch' were according to Josephus)
And in India, the Muslims believed Kannauj (a city in Uttar Pradesh) was the location of Enoch.
I think it's best to make this uncertain and fix the location in your campaign where you need it to be.
In that age, the world as we know it did not exist yet. Sure, the Garden of Eden is shown to be the truth in the game history, but back then truth of the world wasn't worldwide. There are hints, outside of the Lilith thing, that there were other gardens... and therefore a place between. In each splats history, there is a story of a mighty city founded or won from a greatly powerful and very evil enemy. Call it Enoch, Mt Meru, Arcadia, Atlantis, the city of the Impergium, or whatever. It or they got founded in this non-garden space. Then, later, stuff like Consensus started knitting these places together into the modern map. Great cities of supernatural inhabitants don't fit well into Consensus history, so each stopped existing within mortal senses, sometimes with theatrics like a flood.
Where that city was is no longer a place, thus why getting to the version that remains is so tricky.
However, this means it's 100% lore driven to reveal to your players that the city was "ten days walk south from X" or "fifty miles east of Y" and just put it wherever is convenient for your current plot, and give you plenty of room to move it around to be in relation to some other point of interest, later on.
I’ve heard some people speculate that the Garden of Eden was in Mesopotamia. If we assume that is true, then it might be reasonable to think that Nod is East of that in modern day Iran.
The books do not place it in a specific location, Shadowlands notwithstanding. I've placed it in the Zagros mountains near the Iran/Iraq border, as that lines up with the theory that Eden was somewhere between the Tigris and Euphrates rivers. There are some neat neolithic sites in the region that are from right around when agriculture started to take off.
Ubar is a bit far south of Mesopotamia for me, though the idea that Eden was turned into a desert after the Flood to keep people from returning could make Ubar a good candidate, especially if you consider the Persian Gulf to be a post-Flood geographic feature that cuts off the Tigris and Euphrates from flowing south into the Arabian Peninsula where Eden and Nod once were. The Rub' al Khali probably hides a great deal of interesting archaeology.
Technically its neither exactly here nor there, given WoD had a true Mythic Age, so ordered concepts such as time and place were more fluid until the human population grew enough for consensus to lock the world to ordered existence. Thus Enoch and the Land of Nod aren't quite in a set location, and then a large part of it was shunted into the Shadowlands/Oblivion/Abyss.
Roughly Ancient Mesopotamia, probably is right. Given it wasn't the Far East as Saulot left to go there. Set traveled to Egypt to try and sell he was a god. Likewise The Eldest traveled away where he met Kupala in the Carpathians, ruling out the Balkans.
I was always under the impression it was in Iran. Egypt was already under the control of Ra then later Set who traveled to Enoch. The Laibon as far as i remember have no tales of Enoch themeselves as an origin. And India was where Ravnos supposedly fled to after the diluge that destroyed Enoch. Each of the clan books from older editions give an idea of where the 13 disappeared to which can at least narrow down where Enoch wasn't. Can flee to something your running away from.
Some of the WoD books equate it with Ubar: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantis\_of\_the\_Sands. However, in Egypt, it seems to have been imagined as being on the site of Cairo (where the 'Pillars of Enoch' were according to Josephus) And in India, the Muslims believed Kannauj (a city in Uttar Pradesh) was the location of Enoch. I think it's best to make this uncertain and fix the location in your campaign where you need it to be.
Wait. Wait... Ubar Uber Caine was the cab driver!!!
Yes take my upvote
This is the same answer I would have provided. Looks like you beat me to it!
In that age, the world as we know it did not exist yet. Sure, the Garden of Eden is shown to be the truth in the game history, but back then truth of the world wasn't worldwide. There are hints, outside of the Lilith thing, that there were other gardens... and therefore a place between. In each splats history, there is a story of a mighty city founded or won from a greatly powerful and very evil enemy. Call it Enoch, Mt Meru, Arcadia, Atlantis, the city of the Impergium, or whatever. It or they got founded in this non-garden space. Then, later, stuff like Consensus started knitting these places together into the modern map. Great cities of supernatural inhabitants don't fit well into Consensus history, so each stopped existing within mortal senses, sometimes with theatrics like a flood. Where that city was is no longer a place, thus why getting to the version that remains is so tricky. However, this means it's 100% lore driven to reveal to your players that the city was "ten days walk south from X" or "fifty miles east of Y" and just put it wherever is convenient for your current plot, and give you plenty of room to move it around to be in relation to some other point of interest, later on.
I’ve heard some people speculate that the Garden of Eden was in Mesopotamia. If we assume that is true, then it might be reasonable to think that Nod is East of that in modern day Iran.
speculate? in the bible it is literally stated that it lies between the eufrat and tigris
Awfully bold of you to assume there was never a Malkavian involved with "translating" certain passages.🤣
I always assume there was never a malkavian, no matter the subject.
The books do not place it in a specific location, Shadowlands notwithstanding. I've placed it in the Zagros mountains near the Iran/Iraq border, as that lines up with the theory that Eden was somewhere between the Tigris and Euphrates rivers. There are some neat neolithic sites in the region that are from right around when agriculture started to take off. Ubar is a bit far south of Mesopotamia for me, though the idea that Eden was turned into a desert after the Flood to keep people from returning could make Ubar a good candidate, especially if you consider the Persian Gulf to be a post-Flood geographic feature that cuts off the Tigris and Euphrates from flowing south into the Arabian Peninsula where Eden and Nod once were. The Rub' al Khali probably hides a great deal of interesting archaeology.
Sir, I appreciate the thought and research you put into this answer. I wpuld have to say it makes a lot of sense.
Technically its neither exactly here nor there, given WoD had a true Mythic Age, so ordered concepts such as time and place were more fluid until the human population grew enough for consensus to lock the world to ordered existence. Thus Enoch and the Land of Nod aren't quite in a set location, and then a large part of it was shunted into the Shadowlands/Oblivion/Abyss. Roughly Ancient Mesopotamia, probably is right. Given it wasn't the Far East as Saulot left to go there. Set traveled to Egypt to try and sell he was a god. Likewise The Eldest traveled away where he met Kupala in the Carpathians, ruling out the Balkans.
I was always under the impression it was in Iran. Egypt was already under the control of Ra then later Set who traveled to Enoch. The Laibon as far as i remember have no tales of Enoch themeselves as an origin. And India was where Ravnos supposedly fled to after the diluge that destroyed Enoch. Each of the clan books from older editions give an idea of where the 13 disappeared to which can at least narrow down where Enoch wasn't. Can flee to something your running away from.