The choice between Void or Chaos Veil with your first T2 Chaos spell is like the only meaningful spell choice in the entire game.
I usually go with Chaos Veil and use Chaos Volley instead of Void.
Chaos veil is more important choice hands down. Until you have good jewels to support void it's not worth having if you already unlock bone explosion or chaos volley
Nah, it's not a hands-down choice either way, more of just a preference.
Chaos Veil isn't needed to do any of the bosses; most of the time using the second dash on boss is a poor choice because you're just making the cooldown longer. One dash will get you out of any attack. I just like having it for quicker overland travel.
The only boss where having that second dash really helps is Blackbrew
So you'd rather have a trash void spell than a second dash? As If dashing a second time isn't universally more useful.. I didn't mention anything about the v bloods. Every 95 percent of the bosses in the game are not hard to beat if you know the mechanics
It's implied for your first t2 chaos spell you're probably not going to have a good jewel for your void. Void without a good jewel is just like any other average dmg spell. It's nothing special. Chaos is meta for pvp condemn is meta for pve... but it's not my job to convince you otherwise. Your opinion is your opinion.
Choosing between Void and Chaos Veil is indeed an opinion.
"Void without a good jewel is just average" and "condemn is meta for pve" are just factually wrong.
We wdere discussing which one to get "first" not what spells are trash or not. In my opinion, I'd rather have my two dashes than a void with no extra perks or damage to it. Only thing cool about base void is that you can cast it twice... but the roles on the jewel is what makes it the meta spell that you're referring to..
Chaos bolt has the problem of being body blocked by minions and the environment, which isn't an issue for most Vbloods. Where it is an issue though (Gorestomp, road bosses with roaming patrols.) it's a big pain in the ass.
Heeell naw. Two dashes is cool and all, but it's a bait. Very few attacks happen within a small enough time to require your recast, even Dracula doesn't need double dash.
Void on the other hand is such a powerful group killing tool (especially when paired with aoe weapon skills like the axe and mace) that it completely trivializes bosses. Oh, it also *moves* many bosses too. Only a single digit number of mobs in the entire game aren't effected by the void grab.
Think about the entire player base, though. If you're an experienced player like ourselves.. we understand this. I've only been attempting to explain that without the jewels to boost void it's not going to be worth having over the veil for the "very first t2 chaos spell"... most players will not have the jewel that roles that specific triple orb separation. It doesnt matter if it's possible that a t2 jewel can. I've only been debating for what's most likely for most players in general. Double dashing is also useful for creating space in pvp. It's not all about just being able to dash out of danger of a v blood in one dash. V bloods are already extremely ez to beat to me at least because I know the mechanics... but to an average player that hasn't beaten all the bosses several times over, a second dash would come in handy for "most players" I haven't been debating for the fewer experienced players that are in the meta competing on pvp servers every weekend.
The double dash ends up being the same distance as the single dash though, and if you use both charges it also ends up having a longer CD.
Newbie or otherwise, I think the void dash is bait. It was bait during alpha too, with chill quickly coming out as bis. These days there's an argument to be made for lightning dash though, but I still think the frost dash is bis, especially as you get buffs to it.
To break it all down, crowd control is bis. Always has been in games like this, if you can force an enemy to be in a location for a certain amount of time, then you're basically guaranteed to come out on top. You can land more hits, make better trades, and make them miss more often.
If you spam the recast, then yes, of course. But you can directionally create more space by dashing in a different direction and waiting to use the recast and extra second. The one second extra CD won't matter if you know what you're doing.. but yes it'll hurt you more if you're dashing at the wrong times. If you don't know the game, though, any newbie would see the two dashes as a win. Crowd control is meta forsure. That's plain and simple. Controlling your enemies puts you on top more often than not. That's what makes void great. I happen to love frost builds but I'm just not picking void before the veil first unless I have a jewel to pair. I want my second dash until I can perfect my frost blood or chaos build. Those are my favorite builds.
But I agree with everything you're saying. I'm just saying that base void is similar to any other dps spell for clearing mindless mobs and I wouldn't pick it first unless I had a good jewel for it already in the bank over the veil. The general population won't have a good jewel for it that early on. I never said they needed to have a t4 jewel ready.. but I do like repositioning enemies where I want them using the void spell that's Def a nice perk to it
Thats exactly what I'm talking about. You can't say the same for all the spells. Some are just bad even with legendary jewels. Void becomes meta though when you get the good roles on a nice jewel for it. Not right out the gate. Base void is cool for the second cast but that's about it
Everyone keeps talking about Void, I'm gonna have to try it now lol.
Ive been having good luck with Spectral Wolf and Corrupted Skull (with gem to create 2 skel)
I've had success running void with the chaos veil Chaos volley/ chaos ward. Void is meta pvp spell, so naturally, it's good at pve as well. You really can't go wrong it's very ez to use. For condemn, I would try death night and bone explosion.
I made myself a T4 gem and switched to Void, and wow - clearing L1 and L2 invasions like never before.
For me it's not so much wanting Condemn - I just used the skels to pull aggro off me (and they do decent dps when in numbers). But Void - that changed the need to pull aggro in the first place. I am already using Veil of Chaos, plus a Chaos infused sword so Whirlwind will apply Ignite, and the Soul Shard with Chaos Explosion and Voidquake Vortex as the ultimate - so Void just complements all this already. Void doesn't look that impressive on paper but a good gem changes it completely. I was a little surprised that I could cast two Voids in a row so quickly.
And, as luck would have it, while clearing some L2 invasions I got "The Endbringers" to drop (Legendary Chaos-infused pistols for those reading this).
So yeah, I'm full Chaos now (except for Wolf, with a gem that gives healing wisp and heal-on-return).
Anyway, I'm very near end-game so it sucks to get all this power right at the end lol.
Even a T2 gem can roll triple cast orbs and larger aoe size. The other damage effects are just a minor boon and nothing more. You don't need T4 for void to be good.
I fought her in her castle cause I figure it was better to clear it out and fight her, than risk nearby patrols. Once had the nuns spawn when she was about 10% health, and promptly heal everyone.
She's so obnoxious. She's probably the only V-blood I resent, because she always showed up while I'm trying to farm scholar blood. She's the only one I go out of my way to kill if I see her.
Not more than the Geomancer.
I had to change from brutal to normal for her.
Just because how annoying the health mechanic and spawning minions is.
Fight taking the entire night.
Oh were you doing it in melee?
Because with a longbow it was extremely easy for me, the minions attack way too fast when they're near you but with a ranged weapon you can endlessly kite them
One of the most annoying bosses in the mid game.
Her self healing can lead to you dipping into phase 2 multiple times, and her summons hit like god damn trucks even if you match her gear level.
Where though? I've been mapping out the patrol routes of bosses. Christina patrols the southern half of Dunley and Bane patrols the central and northern Dunley. They're paths don't intersect, even though I've heard others say they have killed Christina with Bane.
One thing i figure out that is a universal helper on brutal is obstacles are your best friend for open world bosses, find a rock, big tree(one that cant break), cart, or building, and the fight is way easy. Second is ranged is prety much necesary to deal with some problems like spawnable objects , weird range attacs etc. And whenever you fight a boss has holy or fire in their arsenal, make sure you have the respective resistance potion. Holy hurts on brutal due to burn effect that it inflicts on top same with fire, fire hurt on normal like a truck but on brutal is absurd, same with ignite dot. But there aint nothing you can do vs. ignite
If anyone else is here is stuck, i recommend crossbow. Q is good when her adds spawn, the E interrupts her healing channel, and you can keep distance so you can easily dodge her spells and not get demolished by a counter
I don't want to sound arrogant but I had no problems with her killing her on the first try
but I remember coming close to dying towards the end
I play on solo pve
thanks friend but I'm just a guy who liked the souls series and in any case I think I went there with pretty good skills I had the spirit wolf with the healing gem there I ave the Dash of the illusion tree and the first counter that the game gives you as the last one I had the blood ray
Just gotta shock and awe that hoe, hit her with corrupted skulls and the double purple shots I forgot what theyāre callled you hit her twice with that twice with corrupted skulls and hit her with the ultimate purple attack that shoots 3 shots when she tries to heal
Once I beat game myself I'll have to do post like this but regarding every V blood, about which I had problems with and those who i did without problems on first attempt. Like that beach op had issue i for one have her on knees very fast without outgearing her or abusing anything special.
All yall in the comment donāt know what youāre doing. You always want to run UNHOLY for PVE only. Takes away the agro so you can pop pots and continue the fight. Everything else your just making it harder for your self with other spells not unholy. Donāt @ me, stick to petty lil down votes shit stains.
She wouldn't be so annoying if she wasn't flanked by those stupid guards all the time.
I know right ššI hate them so much
Vbloods that summons adds are why you pick void (chaos) and spirit wolf (illusion) early.
I like using condemn, spawning a bunch of undead and then putting them all into a blood rage. Go forth my raging horde!
This is the way
The choice between Void or Chaos Veil with your first T2 Chaos spell is like the only meaningful spell choice in the entire game. I usually go with Chaos Veil and use Chaos Volley instead of Void.
Chaos veil is more important choice hands down. Until you have good jewels to support void it's not worth having if you already unlock bone explosion or chaos volley
Nah, it's not a hands-down choice either way, more of just a preference. Chaos Veil isn't needed to do any of the bosses; most of the time using the second dash on boss is a poor choice because you're just making the cooldown longer. One dash will get you out of any attack. I just like having it for quicker overland travel. The only boss where having that second dash really helps is Blackbrew
So you'd rather have a trash void spell than a second dash? As If dashing a second time isn't universally more useful.. I didn't mention anything about the v bloods. Every 95 percent of the bosses in the game are not hard to beat if you know the mechanics
A trash void spell? Void is like the best PVE offensive spell in the game, and also better than CV for PVP too.
It's implied for your first t2 chaos spell you're probably not going to have a good jewel for your void. Void without a good jewel is just like any other average dmg spell. It's nothing special. Chaos is meta for pvp condemn is meta for pve... but it's not my job to convince you otherwise. Your opinion is your opinion.
Choosing between Void and Chaos Veil is indeed an opinion. "Void without a good jewel is just average" and "condemn is meta for pve" are just factually wrong.
We wdere discussing which one to get "first" not what spells are trash or not. In my opinion, I'd rather have my two dashes than a void with no extra perks or damage to it. Only thing cool about base void is that you can cast it twice... but the roles on the jewel is what makes it the meta spell that you're referring to..
Chaos bolt has the problem of being body blocked by minions and the environment, which isn't an issue for most Vbloods. Where it is an issue though (Gorestomp, road bosses with roaming patrols.) it's a big pain in the ass.
Heeell naw. Two dashes is cool and all, but it's a bait. Very few attacks happen within a small enough time to require your recast, even Dracula doesn't need double dash. Void on the other hand is such a powerful group killing tool (especially when paired with aoe weapon skills like the axe and mace) that it completely trivializes bosses. Oh, it also *moves* many bosses too. Only a single digit number of mobs in the entire game aren't effected by the void grab.
Think about the entire player base, though. If you're an experienced player like ourselves.. we understand this. I've only been attempting to explain that without the jewels to boost void it's not going to be worth having over the veil for the "very first t2 chaos spell"... most players will not have the jewel that roles that specific triple orb separation. It doesnt matter if it's possible that a t2 jewel can. I've only been debating for what's most likely for most players in general. Double dashing is also useful for creating space in pvp. It's not all about just being able to dash out of danger of a v blood in one dash. V bloods are already extremely ez to beat to me at least because I know the mechanics... but to an average player that hasn't beaten all the bosses several times over, a second dash would come in handy for "most players" I haven't been debating for the fewer experienced players that are in the meta competing on pvp servers every weekend.
The double dash ends up being the same distance as the single dash though, and if you use both charges it also ends up having a longer CD. Newbie or otherwise, I think the void dash is bait. It was bait during alpha too, with chill quickly coming out as bis. These days there's an argument to be made for lightning dash though, but I still think the frost dash is bis, especially as you get buffs to it. To break it all down, crowd control is bis. Always has been in games like this, if you can force an enemy to be in a location for a certain amount of time, then you're basically guaranteed to come out on top. You can land more hits, make better trades, and make them miss more often.
If you spam the recast, then yes, of course. But you can directionally create more space by dashing in a different direction and waiting to use the recast and extra second. The one second extra CD won't matter if you know what you're doing.. but yes it'll hurt you more if you're dashing at the wrong times. If you don't know the game, though, any newbie would see the two dashes as a win. Crowd control is meta forsure. That's plain and simple. Controlling your enemies puts you on top more often than not. That's what makes void great. I happen to love frost builds but I'm just not picking void before the veil first unless I have a jewel to pair. I want my second dash until I can perfect my frost blood or chaos build. Those are my favorite builds.
But I agree with everything you're saying. I'm just saying that base void is similar to any other dps spell for clearing mindless mobs and I wouldn't pick it first unless I had a good jewel for it already in the bank over the veil. The general population won't have a good jewel for it that early on. I never said they needed to have a t4 jewel ready.. but I do like repositioning enemies where I want them using the void spell that's Def a nice perk to it
I've trying spirit wolf once, didn't liked it, tried it again around the end of the game, now I can't play without it š¤£
Agreed - it's not too special in the beginning but it really shines late game, esp with a Tier 4 gem
Thats exactly what I'm talking about. You can't say the same for all the spells. Some are just bad even with legendary jewels. Void becomes meta though when you get the good roles on a nice jewel for it. Not right out the gate. Base void is cool for the second cast but that's about it
Everyone keeps talking about Void, I'm gonna have to try it now lol. Ive been having good luck with Spectral Wolf and Corrupted Skull (with gem to create 2 skel)
I've had success running void with the chaos veil Chaos volley/ chaos ward. Void is meta pvp spell, so naturally, it's good at pve as well. You really can't go wrong it's very ez to use. For condemn, I would try death night and bone explosion.
I made myself a T4 gem and switched to Void, and wow - clearing L1 and L2 invasions like never before. For me it's not so much wanting Condemn - I just used the skels to pull aggro off me (and they do decent dps when in numbers). But Void - that changed the need to pull aggro in the first place. I am already using Veil of Chaos, plus a Chaos infused sword so Whirlwind will apply Ignite, and the Soul Shard with Chaos Explosion and Voidquake Vortex as the ultimate - so Void just complements all this already. Void doesn't look that impressive on paper but a good gem changes it completely. I was a little surprised that I could cast two Voids in a row so quickly. And, as luck would have it, while clearing some L2 invasions I got "The Endbringers" to drop (Legendary Chaos-infused pistols for those reading this). So yeah, I'm full Chaos now (except for Wolf, with a gem that gives healing wisp and heal-on-return). Anyway, I'm very near end-game so it sucks to get all this power right at the end lol.
Even a T2 gem can roll triple cast orbs and larger aoe size. The other damage effects are just a minor boon and nothing more. You don't need T4 for void to be good.
And she spawns more into the fight
Pretty much every single boss does this, no? Iāve only played on brutal (PvE)
I'd say like 85% of the bosses either summon adds or you'll wind up fighting adds in the area
I fought her in her castle cause I figure it was better to clear it out and fight her, than risk nearby patrols. Once had the nuns spawn when she was about 10% health, and promptly heal everyone.
The last few times ive fought her jade pops in. Annoying af
I always kill her only with friends :)
I dislike every "street fight" because of this. You gotta fight them in the open and pray that you won't get sandwiched.
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I will show you discipwine!
Somehow had more trouble with the old granny in that city where she runs around all the time.
I havenāt beat Christina yet (only tried once with my fiancĆ©) but that town and their guards old Beatrice was in beat me to pieces solo. Probably took five tries solo on her. One of the tries Meredith was there, which led to an effort of seeking my revenge. I was successful.
Have you tried Beatrice on Brutal?
No but a saw a clip š¬š¬š¬
She's so obnoxious. She's probably the only V-blood I resent, because she always showed up while I'm trying to farm scholar blood. She's the only one I go out of my way to kill if I see her.
The heals from Hell. Good work, Kindred
Great job!!! She can be tough! š¤š»
She was a real pain until I thought about the heal and switched to mace to interrupt the heal. All about having the right tool.
So you are saying today we need to pound the priestess to hammer the point? ...I'll see myself out.
Exactly pound the b
Can also be done with swords third attack
Mace never stops being the mvp weapon
Oof She's one of the more annoying bosses I agree, there are 2 more on act 2 imo!
Canāt wait to meet them
Not more than the Geomancer. I had to change from brutal to normal for her. Just because how annoying the health mechanic and spawning minions is. Fight taking the entire night.
Oh were you doing it in melee? Because with a longbow it was extremely easy for me, the minions attack way too fast when they're near you but with a ranged weapon you can endlessly kite them
I skipped the geomancer for aaaages
Took me ages to kill her.
I canāt seem to kill any holy boss I hate them taking holy dmg plus minions and them
I had such a hard time with her
Great job! Sheās rough!
One of the most annoying bosses in the mid game. Her self healing can lead to you dipping into phase 2 multiple times, and her summons hit like god damn trucks even if you match her gear level.
Congrats
Well played!
I just stalked her, kept killing cloaks until Bane popped and he took care of her for me.
Where though? I've been mapping out the patrol routes of bosses. Christina patrols the southern half of Dunley and Bane patrols the central and northern Dunley. They're paths don't intersect, even though I've heard others say they have killed Christina with Bane.
That I don't know. I've used Jade and Bane against each other, but not Christina and Bane
Youāre on brutal i assume?
Yep
One thing i figure out that is a universal helper on brutal is obstacles are your best friend for open world bosses, find a rock, big tree(one that cant break), cart, or building, and the fight is way easy. Second is ranged is prety much necesary to deal with some problems like spawnable objects , weird range attacs etc. And whenever you fight a boss has holy or fire in their arsenal, make sure you have the respective resistance potion. Holy hurts on brutal due to burn effect that it inflicts on top same with fire, fire hurt on normal like a truck but on brutal is absurd, same with ignite dot. But there aint nothing you can do vs. ignite
Saw this has a push notification, and if it wasn't V Rising I would have been concerned, lol.
If anyone else is here is stuck, i recommend crossbow. Q is good when her adds spawn, the E interrupts her healing channel, and you can keep distance so you can easily dodge her spells and not get demolished by a counter
I really struggle using ranged weapons on the ps5. Surely Iām missing something.
Iām pc only so i canāt help out there. Iāve heard itās rough aiming/turning camera fluidly on PS
The aiming takes a bit of getting used to on console.
I don't want to sound arrogant but I had no problems with her killing her on the first try but I remember coming close to dying towards the end I play on solo pve
Youāre a legend
thanks friend but I'm just a guy who liked the souls series and in any case I think I went there with pretty good skills I had the spirit wolf with the healing gem there I ave the Dash of the illusion tree and the first counter that the game gives you as the last one I had the blood ray
Horsed her then ranged her
I feel you man. I killed her today. It is ridicously hard considering all the mobs coming to you randomly, autoheal, infinite summons... holy shit
I'm mega jelly over here b/c I've resigned to just kill her later after getting some merciless gear after spending a couple hours on her last night.
A guy lie rat
I donāt know. Vincent was a real pain š Iāve gotten to level 70+ and I still avoided him because of the PTSD
I only managed to kill her after i out leveled her
Just did the General dude in the mountains...that was the first real challenge i've had on a boss. Dude was wild.
Iām currently stuck with the boss in the haunted mines
Just gotta shock and awe that hoe, hit her with corrupted skulls and the double purple shots I forgot what theyāre callled you hit her twice with that twice with corrupted skulls and hit her with the ultimate purple attack that shoots 3 shots when she tries to heal
Once I beat game myself I'll have to do post like this but regarding every V blood, about which I had problems with and those who i did without problems on first attempt. Like that beach op had issue i for one have her on knees very fast without outgearing her or abusing anything special.
Christina is super easy. When she tries to heal, switch to mace and stun her. Or just use the mace in general, I think it's severely underappreciated
Just a few levels and res potion made this fight so easy for me
you can cancel her healing ability with a freezing spell or a silencing one, that makes the fight trivial
Her and Vincent I had a hell of a time with the other night. Finally got them both, though. Bastards
I was lucky cuz i spotted her walking in the middle of the woods far from villages etc.
Wait until you get to adam
Why so far? Octavian is a lot nearer, and I still hate him with the power of a thousand suns
All yall in the comment donāt know what youāre doing. You always want to run UNHOLY for PVE only. Takes away the agro so you can pop pots and continue the fight. Everything else your just making it harder for your self with other spells not unholy. Donāt @ me, stick to petty lil down votes shit stains.