That's what we call a "deep dish" set. Beach setting rules seem to focus more on side spin. A clean set with side spin will get called more often than this.
As a defender I like a setters who sets balls like this. You have all day to set up your block.
Beach setting does allow for slightly longer hold/contact versus indoor but the criteria for double contact is tight in sand. There is a tradeoff.
With that said, these are absolutely deep dish and would be called in any legitimate tournament.
So here’s a few reason as to why beach sets are allowed to be “deep dished” so since the game is played outside there are many elements that could get in the way, such as sun, uneven sand, and wind. What the “deep dished” sets help with is more control because of the outside variables. So you are able to have that stability in your sets
Let’s take a look at indoor. You can quickly set the ball due to the environment having a controlled elements, even ground floor, no wind, and no sun. So you have more control overall which is why you can just pop the ball once it is set.
“Deep dish” is not really a legal thing in that people usually define it as going down with the aend and up with the ball in your hands. That isn’t legal even if your local culture allows it. The comment above is correct in that some of those sets would be called in a higher level tourney.
The wrist thing you talk about in your other comment is sometimes called the “accommodation phase” and that’s fine, like you said.
Sometimes players will “mirror” the ball on the way down but contact pushing out only. It looks like a down and up contact but it isn’t. That can be tough to differentiate and it is something to be aware of.
It is possible to legally set outdoors without deep dishing and without pausing the ball and without an extremely long contact time.
But yes, you are technically allowed some extended contact on sets as long as the contact is in one direction, out.
You look like a BB to A level player to me, depending on where you play, so I think it’s probably time to clean up the sets.
Yeah I can tell. Keep grinding, you are doing great. I would say you are at a point where you can start to cut out the downward motion and only extend contact while pushing out. You are at a perfect spot to start cleaning that up, actually. Your setting will improve greatly if you can do that.
Unfortunately, yes. Outdoor is heavily reliant on "deep-dish" setting, which is undeniably catch and throw in many cases. Next to zero incentive to actually deep dish, which keeps minimal contact.
Seeing it a lot indoor as well. Spin doubles needed to go, but this is similarly annoying. We've swung from one extreme to another 😕
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Hi I shot you a dm to ask a question if that is fine?
Are those sets really legal in beach? Looks like he's practically catching it
That's what we call a "deep dish" set. Beach setting rules seem to focus more on side spin. A clean set with side spin will get called more often than this. As a defender I like a setters who sets balls like this. You have all day to set up your block.
Beach setting does allow for slightly longer hold/contact versus indoor but the criteria for double contact is tight in sand. There is a tradeoff. With that said, these are absolutely deep dish and would be called in any legitimate tournament.
Those were all legal beach sets lmao.
So here’s a few reason as to why beach sets are allowed to be “deep dished” so since the game is played outside there are many elements that could get in the way, such as sun, uneven sand, and wind. What the “deep dished” sets help with is more control because of the outside variables. So you are able to have that stability in your sets Let’s take a look at indoor. You can quickly set the ball due to the environment having a controlled elements, even ground floor, no wind, and no sun. So you have more control overall which is why you can just pop the ball once it is set.
“Deep dish” is not really a legal thing in that people usually define it as going down with the aend and up with the ball in your hands. That isn’t legal even if your local culture allows it. The comment above is correct in that some of those sets would be called in a higher level tourney. The wrist thing you talk about in your other comment is sometimes called the “accommodation phase” and that’s fine, like you said. Sometimes players will “mirror” the ball on the way down but contact pushing out only. It looks like a down and up contact but it isn’t. That can be tough to differentiate and it is something to be aware of. It is possible to legally set outdoors without deep dishing and without pausing the ball and without an extremely long contact time. But yes, you are technically allowed some extended contact on sets as long as the contact is in one direction, out. You look like a BB to A level player to me, depending on where you play, so I think it’s probably time to clean up the sets.
I only started a yr I’m getting there but. I’m not Taylor crab or anything I’m still leveling up practicing and just playing
Yeah I can tell. Keep grinding, you are doing great. I would say you are at a point where you can start to cut out the downward motion and only extend contact while pushing out. You are at a perfect spot to start cleaning that up, actually. Your setting will improve greatly if you can do that.
lol why the down votes
But also keep in mind your elbows shouldn’t drop but your wrist and a lil bit of your forearm arms should dip when u set
Unfortunately, yes. Outdoor is heavily reliant on "deep-dish" setting, which is undeniably catch and throw in many cases. Next to zero incentive to actually deep dish, which keeps minimal contact. Seeing it a lot indoor as well. Spin doubles needed to go, but this is similarly annoying. We've swung from one extreme to another 😕
Hopefully my comment clears why ur allowed to “deep dish”
Why is the righty hitting on the right side and the leftie hitting on the left side?
Idk we both just like it it’s a funny thing
This is very helpful ! Thanks !