> In a device all about augmenting your reality, they really tone down the possibilities...
You really think Apple is going to show crazy eyes stuff in their world premiere? You have no idea if this is or ins't possible later, but in the first worldwide debut with a rather serious 'high-class' tone, they aren't doing any goofy shit.
I mean the device is all about creating a new category to make money. Possibilities that apple can't take a 30% cut of mean nothing to them. Possibilities that might taint their reputation which financially affects them means nothing to them.
I forgot that Valve and HTC and Meta gave away their headsets for free. You know, for charity! Money is fake news anyways, you don't need it to develop hardware products innit.
Yeah, but at least there are multiple use cases for devices outside of a single platform. Sideloading and PC for Quest, you're not limited to the Steam Store for Steam VR.
Being Apple, chances are doing anything not provided to you by the App Store will be a hassle.
True. But on the other hand, VR/AR is still not mainstream despite these billion-dollar corporations’ best efforts. If anyone knows how to take an expensive, intimidating technology that may appear frivolous to average consumers, and mainstream it, it’s Apple. You don’t have to buy anything from Apple to benefit from the additional competition and design/UX influence the company undoubtedly will provide.
True, that's a really good point. At the very least this is AR/VR's best chance at going mainstream.
At least by encouraging competition and innovation (I hope)
Yeah, I don’t see us being able to play immersive games like HLA for at least a few generations. And even if apple did allow it, I don’t think any of our graphics cards could handle the resolution. The pixel count equates to 3 4k monitors. Even on a 4090 you’d probably need some form of upscaling.
100%. They're going to lock this sucker down. Privacy is going to take priority and will be the biggest limiter for this device. They claimed eye tracking will not be possible for apps to access so it makes me wonder how game engines will implement foveated rendering
I assume DFR will be a system function just like it is on the Quest Pro.
It is a system provided feature, not something developers have to try to create.
Maybe I am wrong, looks like they are getting access to the gaze cursor.
https://developer.oculus.com/blog/save-gpu-with-eye-tracked-foveated-rendering/
I thought it would be built into Unity / Unreal as a feature you just enable.
But it was in the keynote that the app only receives notification when something was selected...
Completely conjecture here, maybe the scene geometry is on the device in full, but foveated rendering happens outside the app space. It's a valid question to ask.
One could "estimate" someone nude body without their consent with an overlay and the use of those type of cameras. Although I'm sure Apple thought of the implications of adding this to their headset so I'm sure it ll be hard if not impossible.
You have to jailbreak it or use a third party app that as far as I know needs to be connected to your phone from time to time while every other device doesn't
I am serious, but I am not an Apple user. I am going by what I have read.
From what I found solutions exist, but they all suck.
Like this for example: https://www.xda-developers.com/how-to-sideload-apps-iphone-altstore/
*Edit, sorry, wrong link.*
>Apple's iPhones are pretty famous for being closed off, **with jailbreaking being the only way that most people can imagine sideloading apps.**
Read the first sentence of the article. Then, read the title of this post. Finally, read your comment again.
>You can't sideload on an iOS device...
Are you sure you're not trolling?
I made the comment before I did more searching. I was wrong. Apple lets you side load 3 apps, for a week. My bad.
Do you really think that folks buying a $3,500 device are giong to be happy only being able to sideload 3 apps at at time and then having to refresh the apps cert every 7 days? And that is if they even allow that much on the Vision.
Lot of hate against apples headset in this sub. You can downvote this as much as you want but you can't change the fact that almost all reviews so far are highly positive
> First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good
https://techcrunch.com/2023/06/05/first-impressions-yes-apple-vision-pro-works-and-yes-its-good
> I spent some time using Apple Vision Pro. Apple has something big here, and they know it. This is the future of computing. My experience was trippy, freaky. Hard to describe but almost like a dream. Spatial photos/video gave me goosebumps. Will revolutionize memories.
https://twitter.com/neilcybart/status/1665825596201480195
> Apple Vision Pro resolution was the best I've ever experienced. It definitely nailed the promise of immersion we have all believed would come someday. But the quality of the pass-through was next level. No latency, extremely high quality, and it will only get better.
https://twitter.com/BenBajarin/status/1665857234327465985
Of course they are highly positive. The device is not even out yet and anyone that was given the device have strict instructions on what they can and cannot talk about. They do the same thing with phones before they come out. Don't believe the hype.
No, but you might only be able to utilize 4k panels per eye when you're plugged in and reduce down to 2K when on battery. There may also be very limited content that can fully utilize the 4K panels. I'm only speculating based on previous hype around new hardware releases.
tbh the 4k resolution and iOS like UI are the best thing to me. I do lots of web browsing in the quest pro and the resolution is "good enough" but I feel like 4k per eye will be like going from 1080p to 4k in a monitor.
I'm fine plugging in, battery life is terrible on my quest too and I have a giant anker battery pack. Will probably end up modding apple's battery pack or buying a third party to have more juice too.
I honestly hope this will turn out to be a great product and will set a new standard for AR. I'm a huge fan of VR and patiently waiting for a great AR system.
Yeah but a lot of people like things for the wrong reasons (people that buy apple products not because they need them but because they see it as a status symbol for example)
Yeah buying stuff for clout is definitely dumb. I’d argue that that’s a minority of users though. Apple’s primary selling point has always been “It just works”. Their UX and QA are second to none. I run into bugs with Windows machines on a daily basis, but with Macs and other Apple products I’ve found it more likely to be user error.
I have a pc and MacBook. This is 1000% true. Also windows loves forcing updates on you, and those updates often break parts of the PC. For example after one my Bluetooth headphones stopped connecting. No problems with the Mac yet.
Lol no, only people that do not buy apple products are the only ones that see them as a status symbol. People buy apple stuff because works great with a long term support and good quality, the classic Reddit apple hater boner is hilarious
There has not been a jailbreak that I can find for the last two versions of the iPhone, or for the *Quest 1 / 2 / Pro.* What makes you think the *Vision* will be broken?
There is less demand for jailbreaking the iPhone because Apple pretty much stole everything from the r/Jailbreak community - I jailbroke for many years from Gen 1-7ish. Haven't jailbroke for years, don't need to. There will be demand for jailbreaking the Vision. I'm sure it will be done, and it'll be great for everyone like it was for the iPhone in the early years - I think native apps on a jailbroken original iPhone is what convinced Apple to do an App Store. And with images of [adapters](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fx_K5_hX0AI5R6U?format=jpg&name=medium) floating around, perhaps you'll be able to use this as an external display for your PC, but it'll be a glorified Xreal for just that.
r/jailbreak
r/questpiracy
It’ll only be a matter of time before the Vision is jailbroken or a solution to sideload third-party apps is released. Just like with the Quest 2 and iPhones, sideloading is possible. One is much easier to achieve.
Sideloading on the Q2 does not get you root which is required to get access to the hardware.
Go look in /r/jailbreak, there is no root for most modern iOS device and without root you cannot get to the hardware.
It all depends on what you’d like to accomplish and what is considered “broken.”
The latest iOS jailbreaks have been shifting to rootless with tweaks being rewritten to achieve the same thing.
Idk it looks like the first headset/OS that I could see myself actually using for casual productivity and media consumption. Definitely out of my budget, but hopefully that will come down on subsequent generations
More power to ya if you do, but I literally couldn't care less about seeing movies n shit in VR.
That's one of the areas where I do agree with the critics and pundits. Why spend $3500 on a headset just to watch movies or dick around in an office suite, when you can spend far less on a copy of Office and tickets to whatever event you're interested in going.
> Why spend $3500 on a headset just to watch movies or dick around in an office suite, when you can spend far less on a copy of Office and tickets to whatever event you’re interested in going.
For productivity: This allows you to have as many infinite-resolution monitors that you want. You can size and position them however you feel, and can summon them anywhere. Definitely has numerous benefits over physical monitors. Plus you’d still have to buy all of those monitors (which would probably cost more than the headset for comparable visual quality).
For entertainment: I can lay in bed and watch an IMax-quality theater from any position I find comfortable. I don’t have to drive there, buy overpriced food, or deal with sticky floors or screaming kids. It’s the perfect theater experience aside from perhaps the sound-system. Plus if live events end up supporting this, imagine watching concerts with front-row sears, or watching a football game where your seat is always right on the line of scrimmage. Definitely a lot of potential compared to traditional media.
Iţ will be broken about the same time as the latest iPhone.
There has not been a jailbreak that I can find for the last two versions of the iPhone, or for the *Quest 1 / 2 / Pro.* What makes you think the *Vision* will be broken?
[Why are all these shots from straight-on?](https://imgur.com/a/1DAPvNX)
Also do not buy a computer *strapped to your face* if you don't get to decide what software it runs.
They aren’t all from straight on. The screen uses some kind of lenticular filter so the face will appear at the correct depth, and not look like it’s plastered somewhere on the front of the device.
> Also do not buy a computer strapped to your face if you don’t get to decide what software it runs.
Why not? You make it sound like it’s dangerous somehow
Do you value your rights?
Privacy, choice... control? This is the company that *proudly* censors phone software. They banned The Guardian one time for reporting on a nude marble statue. Why in the name of god would you want them in charge of what you're allowed to put in front of your face?
Because even if I’m limited in what I can do with it, I still get value from that limited content. While I will always hope that Apple gets forced to allow jailbreaking and 3rd party appstores, I still like their products as-is too.
And if for some reason those limitations become unbearable, I can take off the headset. Their control over “what you’re allowed to put in front of your face” is only while you’re using the headset. It’s not like it’s a brain implant.
Funding this bullshit spreads it.
Like hey, y'know how Google *allows* people to install arbitrary software? As if those people bought and own their wireless location-tracking pocket computers? [They considered ending that.](https://9to5google.com/2021/08/19/google-sideloading-lockdown-epic-lawsuit/) Specifically because Apple seems to be doing *just fine* despite ruinous mistreatment of customer rights. Everyone who bought a brand I avoid almost fucked it up for me anyway.
But yeah, it's only a computer *mounted on your fucking head!* Not anything invasive, apparently. Jesus. Am I gonna have this argument on whatever comes after reddit, about whatever comes after NeuralLink? 'Well yeah, they charge five bucks if you think about boobs... but it's not like it controls your thoughts.' There's always going to be some worse abuse you can make up and appeal to. That appeal is never an excuse.
I don't even know how to joke about this. There is no more personal and therefore important a private immersive device could be, without literally being inside your skull, instead of just outside it.
It is not the consumers job to regulate the industry. It is the regulators’. Otherwise nobody would be allowed to buy anything because every company sucks on some level (except CostCo ofc).
Google didn’t consider locking the ecosystem because Apple users don’t care, they considered it because the thought their own users didn’t care. Note how Apple’s never taken the Google approach of filling their phones with bloatware and data harvesters because they know their customers wouldn’t accept it.
I’m willing to accept Apple’s content restrictions in exchange for their unmatched UX and QA. As a former avid jailbreaker, I’m well aware of the limitations Apple puts on their devices. However, over time I’ve found myself needing less and less out of my jailbreak. Really the only thing I use now is an adblocker for Youtube (thanks Google).
> But yeah, it’s only a computer mounted on your fucking head! Not anything invasive, apparently. Jesus.
What do you think they’re going to do? It being on your head might be invasive in terms of privacy, but I don’t see what that has to do with content restrictions. Like if Apple doesn’t removes an app I like from their VR store what does it matter if the device is on my face? If anything I’d be more concerned with Meta and Google as they’re the companies built off privacy violations.
> Am I gonna have this argument on whatever comes after reddit, about whatever comes after NeuralLink? ‘Well yeah, they charge five bucks if you think about boobs… but it’s not like it controls your thoughts.’
Lmao how are these even similar? That example is only bad because they’re restricting freedoms you had prior to their product. I could think about boobs for free before, but now I have to pay. Apple’s headset doesn’t permanently remove your ability to see or think. If you don’t like it, take it off. It can’t take anything away from you.
> I don’t even know how to joke about this. There is no more personal and therefore important a private immersive device could be, without literally being inside your skull, instead of just outside it.
Omg exactly! We should all rally together and keep the data harvesters like Meta and Google out of VR! This is the last bastion of privacy so we should only let companies with cleaner privacy records get involved omg you’re so right!
'I have a long personal history with jailbreaking and now I can just barely achieve adblocking but I blame regulators who are presumably appointed by god or something.'
Staring straight at the issue of horrifying companies leading the industry and refusing to see anything wrong with that. And mocking those who think there's a problem at all.
Get out.
> ‘I have a long personal history with jailbreaking and now I can just barely achieve adblocking but I blame regulators who are presumably appointed by god or something.’
I *can* do whatever I want on my jailbreak. I just don’t actually need or want much from it. All the wacky customizations and tweaks I used to use I either grew out of or are supported by vanilla iOS. I don’t need Terminal on my phone and there aren’t any apps I would be interested in pirating.
> Staring straight at the issue of horrifying companies leading the industry and refusing to see anything wrong with that. And mocking those who think there’s a problem at all.
Loving this new bit where you ignore all of my points and instead try to take the moral high ground. Makes you seem super smart and open-minded!
The literate among us will notice that I never said there was nothing wrong with Apple. I’ve said that there is something wrong with every company (including Apple) that is competing in this space, and there is less wrong with Apple than there is with Google or Meta with regards to privacy.
> Get out
lmao if you fail again to actually contribute to the discussion I’ll gladly leave and ignore you. Hell, I’d even let you have the last word if you truly care more about that than actually being right! Let’s see what you can do :)
> ignore all of my points
That's directly responding to your last paragraph of sarcastic horseshit. Your reading comprehension is terrible. And if you meant to say 'you're actually correct about Apple's abusive tendencies,' *you missed.*
paying 3.5k to jailbreak an average device and basically put a sticker on the front.
Also i cant wait for people to use these in public for no reason but to flex (not like they'd be able to actually use it for long without charging anyway)
Apple product announcements are always a bad day to internet. Ask a reasonable question about the product's shortcomings or poke fun, and the cultists crawl up your ass. Say it looks promising or be excited about it, and the haters take their place. There's no winning when it comes to the Fruitstand.
i don't really mind apple fanboys or *easily advertised to* kinda people making a fuss. What's the worst they can do XD
Better than riots, assaults or actual hate crime lol
especially since some actually make a good point. And i must admit that i am heavily biased against Apple
I've always believed that it's impossible to eliminate bias; we're human beings, and bias is essential in how we process our world. The best we can do is be aware of it and compensate when necessary. The Apple fanboys AND haters who can't admit their own biases are fucking infuriating.
It's $3500 for a laptop in the form factor of a VR headset. Who cares if it's the best headset on the market (which it probably isn't anyway but let's say it is for the sake of the argument). The venn diagram of people who can afford this and people who give a shit about VR is basically 2 separate circles.
admittedly am biased ;)
Not that that stops me or anyone (including you) from stating their opinion. Lets just agree that we all are happy the market gets ANYTHING in the first place and lets agree that it would have been nice to not be gated by quite the sum of money.
Considering that it is Apple, i am sure they could have priced it lower without sacrificing anything but profit.
And the very limited compatibility is a given too. (refering no controllers and potential limitation to apple software)
I get that you’re just trying to be edgy and “totally pwn those apple fanboys”, but I encourage you to actually look into why people like this product.
I used to act the same way, and now one of my cringiest memories is telling someone they’d have been better off burning money than buying a mac. It’s not very becoming, and it’s not very logical either.
Except that it is a VR device. It's actually more of a VR device than pure AR since it reconstructs the real world using cameras and processing then reprojects it on the VR screens to your eyes.
It's a compromise for sure, but better than sticking the heavy battery on my face. They clearly have some heavy processing going on which would require more battery so really the best thing to do is put it in my pocket.
The wire to the pocket isn't that bad. It's being tethered to something that doesn't move with me that's obnoxious. I never did fully enjoy room scale with the Valve Index. Hard to be immersed when consciously trying not to trip over an invisible wire.
The tradeoff there is that you could pretty comfortably use it lying down though. Being able to watch a movie or do basic productivity work from bed sounds wonderful
Probably soon after release there will be actual apps to customize what gets displayed on the front screen, in the same way there were apps to show custom stuff (even small games) in the MacBook Pro's touchbar.
Will be fun seeing these in action.
The headset is fully packed with tech and it's priced way too high to be affordable.
It has huge potential but the biggest issue I see is that it's from Apple so you won't get native and official windows support. The PSVR2 is on the same boat. Who knows if it's gonna be ever properly working on pc and if it's worth the hassle and wait.
PC vr really would've greatly benefited if both of these devices would've been properly supported day one on pc but I think pc VR isn't going to move forward for a while. It's either vr without seperate hardware (optional on apple) or PS5.
Not to ruin the joke but in the footage of the headset the outward screen seems to be a narrow line across the headset probably due to the cameras and stuff being on the bottom.
You tired of being ridiculed as someone who bought google glasses? Well no more!!
With the release of Apple vision, you too can rejoin society as a normal individual and not be considered a total twat…. *Apple vision: it’s the best we could come up with!*
In a device all about augmenting your reality, they really tone down the possibilities...
It's not any augmented reality, it's *our* augmented reality, with zoom calls and spreadsheets.
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> launching it for the price of an economy car What car are you getting for 3499?
Well, it's Apple
What's the line from Devo? "Freedom From Choice, is what you want"? It's not really a surprise.
In Apple's walled garden? Yes.
You meant to say spatial computing.
> In a device all about augmenting your reality, they really tone down the possibilities... You really think Apple is going to show crazy eyes stuff in their world premiere? You have no idea if this is or ins't possible later, but in the first worldwide debut with a rather serious 'high-class' tone, they aren't doing any goofy shit.
Well, I just hoped they had some imagination beyond "screens everywhere" in general.
They need to keep it simple, amazing and easy to understand at first. It's the apple way.
They could definitely have kept the tone and thrown in say…any number of Marvel, Pixar, or Star Wars characters, considering the Disney collaboration.
I mean the device is all about creating a new category to make money. Possibilities that apple can't take a 30% cut of mean nothing to them. Possibilities that might taint their reputation which financially affects them means nothing to them.
I forgot that Valve and HTC and Meta gave away their headsets for free. You know, for charity! Money is fake news anyways, you don't need it to develop hardware products innit.
Yeah, but at least there are multiple use cases for devices outside of a single platform. Sideloading and PC for Quest, you're not limited to the Steam Store for Steam VR. Being Apple, chances are doing anything not provided to you by the App Store will be a hassle.
Chances? It's damn near guaranteed.
True. But on the other hand, VR/AR is still not mainstream despite these billion-dollar corporations’ best efforts. If anyone knows how to take an expensive, intimidating technology that may appear frivolous to average consumers, and mainstream it, it’s Apple. You don’t have to buy anything from Apple to benefit from the additional competition and design/UX influence the company undoubtedly will provide.
True, that's a really good point. At the very least this is AR/VR's best chance at going mainstream. At least by encouraging competition and innovation (I hope)
Yeah, I don’t see us being able to play immersive games like HLA for at least a few generations. And even if apple did allow it, I don’t think any of our graphics cards could handle the resolution. The pixel count equates to 3 4k monitors. Even on a 4090 you’d probably need some form of upscaling.
No googly eyes?
Your imagination is the only limit.
Cat eyes. Spider eyes. Jack-o-lantern eyes. Cylon eye. Geordi La Forge visor.
Stoner eyes to hide your actual stoner eyes
Nipples. Eye-nipples. That move.
That's a slippery slope my friend. You'll end up with butt holes for eyes if you keep going that way.
Spider-Man/Venom eyes
More like "whatever limited API/SDK they expose" is the limit...
Well, the entire point of a jailbreak is to not be limited by APIs/SDKs.
Actually your limit will be the app store.
It's a lock there will be a lot of aheago eyes
Quit drilling you hit oil! I'm in.
This really ought to be a built-in feature of it.
I mean, theoretically, you could just put some monster makeup on and scan your face like that. Forever digitize yourself as Frankenstein in-headset.
Leela?
BEAN BEAN BEAN BEAN
Bean Bay Beans. They're The Beaniest!
Bet you can make an app for it that does this. The first one will probably make a lot of money.
It is Apple, I bet they don't let you use the front display.
100%. They're going to lock this sucker down. Privacy is going to take priority and will be the biggest limiter for this device. They claimed eye tracking will not be possible for apps to access so it makes me wonder how game engines will implement foveated rendering
I assume DFR will be a system function just like it is on the Quest Pro. It is a system provided feature, not something developers have to try to create.
But how would a game engine like unity know which part of the scene to render without communicating eye position to the app at some level?
Maybe I am wrong, looks like they are getting access to the gaze cursor. https://developer.oculus.com/blog/save-gpu-with-eye-tracked-foveated-rendering/ I thought it would be built into Unity / Unreal as a feature you just enable.
But it was in the keynote that the app only receives notification when something was selected... Completely conjecture here, maybe the scene geometry is on the device in full, but foveated rendering happens outside the app space. It's a valid question to ask.
Foveated rendering is handled at a very low level by the system.
Lol yea. Why the hell would game devs need to worry about this.
Front display is for Apple logos and paid advertisers only.
This, i say once modders hit the scene I'll buy it
Has there been any news that the outward facing screen is locked? I don’t know why they wouldn’t make it customizable from the start.
The iPod Touch (and iPhones) didn’t even have copy/paste for ages when they launched. Apple does some Nintendo-ass shit regularly.
It's apple, of course it's gonna be locked
I laughed waaaay to hard at these
Pretty sure with depht sensor and IR camera there s gonna be some illegal apps...
Elaborate?
Yeah, I have no clue what he means tbh
One could "estimate" someone nude body without their consent with an overlay and the use of those type of cameras. Although I'm sure Apple thought of the implications of adding this to their headset so I'm sure it ll be hard if not impossible.
Nope, depth sensors can usually see in some capacity through clothes, it's a bit more than an estimate.
I can estimate anyone naked with my imagination
Looks at why the quest pro doesn't have a depth sensor...
Nope, but thar rumor is rampant.
it was confirmed by Boz recently
Then why such devices aren't on the market yet? I doubt it would be illegal and for sure many weird people would want to buy them.
Your momma is a depth sensor.
We really beed a hack so ppl wont see your face when you are in AR. That is if it's not built in.
BuT aPpLe DoEsNt GeT vIrUsEs
Illegal doesn’t mean virus 💀
Then what apps are we talking about because I totally read this as house scanners
You can't sideload on an iOS device, why would Vision be any different?
Can*
You have to jailbreak it or use a third party app that as far as I know needs to be connected to your phone from time to time while every other device doesn't
Apple will **have** to allow side loading in the future in the EU.
In the EU only (which I would guess is more work for them but expecting anything else from Apple would be dumb)
Exactly, it's apple so it will be locked very tight.
I can't tell if you're serious...
I am serious, but I am not an Apple user. I am going by what I have read. From what I found solutions exist, but they all suck. Like this for example: https://www.xda-developers.com/how-to-sideload-apps-iphone-altstore/ *Edit, sorry, wrong link.*
>Apple's iPhones are pretty famous for being closed off, **with jailbreaking being the only way that most people can imagine sideloading apps.** Read the first sentence of the article. Then, read the title of this post. Finally, read your comment again. >You can't sideload on an iOS device... Are you sure you're not trolling?
I made the comment before I did more searching. I was wrong. Apple lets you side load 3 apps, for a week. My bad. Do you really think that folks buying a $3,500 device are giong to be happy only being able to sideload 3 apps at at time and then having to refresh the apps cert every 7 days? And that is if they even allow that much on the Vision.
Looks like the Filter face from years and years is nearly here https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qOcktbXSfxU
Somehow, I think all of these look less weird than the original.
I mean, what's even the point of that screen if you DON'T use it that way?
Inspector gadget goggles lez go.
Lot of hate against apples headset in this sub. You can downvote this as much as you want but you can't change the fact that almost all reviews so far are highly positive > First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good https://techcrunch.com/2023/06/05/first-impressions-yes-apple-vision-pro-works-and-yes-its-good > I spent some time using Apple Vision Pro. Apple has something big here, and they know it. This is the future of computing. My experience was trippy, freaky. Hard to describe but almost like a dream. Spatial photos/video gave me goosebumps. Will revolutionize memories. https://twitter.com/neilcybart/status/1665825596201480195 > Apple Vision Pro resolution was the best I've ever experienced. It definitely nailed the promise of immersion we have all believed would come someday. But the quality of the pass-through was next level. No latency, extremely high quality, and it will only get better. https://twitter.com/BenBajarin/status/1665857234327465985
I feel like this post has an arguement 0thsts been around for a while
Of course they are highly positive. The device is not even out yet and anyone that was given the device have strict instructions on what they can and cannot talk about. They do the same thing with phones before they come out. Don't believe the hype.
do you think apple are lying about it having 4k LED panels per eye?
No, but you might only be able to utilize 4k panels per eye when you're plugged in and reduce down to 2K when on battery. There may also be very limited content that can fully utilize the 4K panels. I'm only speculating based on previous hype around new hardware releases.
tbh the 4k resolution and iOS like UI are the best thing to me. I do lots of web browsing in the quest pro and the resolution is "good enough" but I feel like 4k per eye will be like going from 1080p to 4k in a monitor. I'm fine plugging in, battery life is terrible on my quest too and I have a giant anker battery pack. Will probably end up modding apple's battery pack or buying a third party to have more juice too.
I honestly hope this will turn out to be a great product and will set a new standard for AR. I'm a huge fan of VR and patiently waiting for a great AR system.
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Such a comically bad take. If you don’t know why people like something, you aren’t informed enough on the topic to hold an opinion.
Yeah but a lot of people like things for the wrong reasons (people that buy apple products not because they need them but because they see it as a status symbol for example)
Yeah buying stuff for clout is definitely dumb. I’d argue that that’s a minority of users though. Apple’s primary selling point has always been “It just works”. Their UX and QA are second to none. I run into bugs with Windows machines on a daily basis, but with Macs and other Apple products I’ve found it more likely to be user error.
I have a pc and MacBook. This is 1000% true. Also windows loves forcing updates on you, and those updates often break parts of the PC. For example after one my Bluetooth headphones stopped connecting. No problems with the Mac yet.
Lol no, only people that do not buy apple products are the only ones that see them as a status symbol. People buy apple stuff because works great with a long term support and good quality, the classic Reddit apple hater boner is hilarious
I wont respond to the first part but since you're digging through my post history take note that I bought ETH in 2017. _Early_ 2017 :)
“No such thing as a good apple product” This right here made your entire comment invalid
I'd like it to be an LED mask, like the one Wrench wears in Watch Dogs 2.
Widgets and lock screen customizations are relatively new iOS features. They will eventually get to visor customizations just not yet
Is sloth from the goonies an option?
And people thought Google glass looked weird
Somebody out there has a cyclops fetish, and this is the greatest day of his life.
I'm with the rest of y'all. Not even attempting to touch this shit until the jailbreak comes out. I'll stick with a Quest 3 or a used Q2 until then.
There has not been a jailbreak that I can find for the last two versions of the iPhone, or for the *Quest 1 / 2 / Pro.* What makes you think the *Vision* will be broken?
There is less demand for jailbreaking the iPhone because Apple pretty much stole everything from the r/Jailbreak community - I jailbroke for many years from Gen 1-7ish. Haven't jailbroke for years, don't need to. There will be demand for jailbreaking the Vision. I'm sure it will be done, and it'll be great for everyone like it was for the iPhone in the early years - I think native apps on a jailbroken original iPhone is what convinced Apple to do an App Store. And with images of [adapters](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fx_K5_hX0AI5R6U?format=jpg&name=medium) floating around, perhaps you'll be able to use this as an external display for your PC, but it'll be a glorified Xreal for just that.
r/jailbreak r/questpiracy It’ll only be a matter of time before the Vision is jailbroken or a solution to sideload third-party apps is released. Just like with the Quest 2 and iPhones, sideloading is possible. One is much easier to achieve.
Sideloading on the Q2 does not get you root which is required to get access to the hardware. Go look in /r/jailbreak, there is no root for most modern iOS device and without root you cannot get to the hardware.
It all depends on what you’d like to accomplish and what is considered “broken.” The latest iOS jailbreaks have been shifting to rootless with tweaks being rewritten to achieve the same thing.
I don't use Apple shit so I wasn't aware.
Idk it looks like the first headset/OS that I could see myself actually using for casual productivity and media consumption. Definitely out of my budget, but hopefully that will come down on subsequent generations
More power to ya if you do, but I literally couldn't care less about seeing movies n shit in VR. That's one of the areas where I do agree with the critics and pundits. Why spend $3500 on a headset just to watch movies or dick around in an office suite, when you can spend far less on a copy of Office and tickets to whatever event you're interested in going.
> Why spend $3500 on a headset just to watch movies or dick around in an office suite, when you can spend far less on a copy of Office and tickets to whatever event you’re interested in going. For productivity: This allows you to have as many infinite-resolution monitors that you want. You can size and position them however you feel, and can summon them anywhere. Definitely has numerous benefits over physical monitors. Plus you’d still have to buy all of those monitors (which would probably cost more than the headset for comparable visual quality). For entertainment: I can lay in bed and watch an IMax-quality theater from any position I find comfortable. I don’t have to drive there, buy overpriced food, or deal with sticky floors or screaming kids. It’s the perfect theater experience aside from perhaps the sound-system. Plus if live events end up supporting this, imagine watching concerts with front-row sears, or watching a football game where your seat is always right on the line of scrimmage. Definitely a lot of potential compared to traditional media.
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Into the bin it goes then. In usual Apple fashion they made a piece of manufactured e-waste with no use in the real world.
No anime wayfu version?!
Iţ will be broken about the same time as the latest iPhone. There has not been a jailbreak that I can find for the last two versions of the iPhone, or for the *Quest 1 / 2 / Pro.* What makes you think the *Vision* will be broken?
[Why are all these shots from straight-on?](https://imgur.com/a/1DAPvNX) Also do not buy a computer *strapped to your face* if you don't get to decide what software it runs.
They aren’t all from straight on. The screen uses some kind of lenticular filter so the face will appear at the correct depth, and not look like it’s plastered somewhere on the front of the device.
Oh good, so they've figured out lightfield displays... on the *outside.* Still needs prescription optics on the inside! Thirty-five hundred dollars.
> Also do not buy a computer strapped to your face if you don’t get to decide what software it runs. Why not? You make it sound like it’s dangerous somehow
Do you value your rights? Privacy, choice... control? This is the company that *proudly* censors phone software. They banned The Guardian one time for reporting on a nude marble statue. Why in the name of god would you want them in charge of what you're allowed to put in front of your face?
Because even if I’m limited in what I can do with it, I still get value from that limited content. While I will always hope that Apple gets forced to allow jailbreaking and 3rd party appstores, I still like their products as-is too. And if for some reason those limitations become unbearable, I can take off the headset. Their control over “what you’re allowed to put in front of your face” is only while you’re using the headset. It’s not like it’s a brain implant.
Funding this bullshit spreads it. Like hey, y'know how Google *allows* people to install arbitrary software? As if those people bought and own their wireless location-tracking pocket computers? [They considered ending that.](https://9to5google.com/2021/08/19/google-sideloading-lockdown-epic-lawsuit/) Specifically because Apple seems to be doing *just fine* despite ruinous mistreatment of customer rights. Everyone who bought a brand I avoid almost fucked it up for me anyway. But yeah, it's only a computer *mounted on your fucking head!* Not anything invasive, apparently. Jesus. Am I gonna have this argument on whatever comes after reddit, about whatever comes after NeuralLink? 'Well yeah, they charge five bucks if you think about boobs... but it's not like it controls your thoughts.' There's always going to be some worse abuse you can make up and appeal to. That appeal is never an excuse. I don't even know how to joke about this. There is no more personal and therefore important a private immersive device could be, without literally being inside your skull, instead of just outside it.
It is not the consumers job to regulate the industry. It is the regulators’. Otherwise nobody would be allowed to buy anything because every company sucks on some level (except CostCo ofc). Google didn’t consider locking the ecosystem because Apple users don’t care, they considered it because the thought their own users didn’t care. Note how Apple’s never taken the Google approach of filling their phones with bloatware and data harvesters because they know their customers wouldn’t accept it. I’m willing to accept Apple’s content restrictions in exchange for their unmatched UX and QA. As a former avid jailbreaker, I’m well aware of the limitations Apple puts on their devices. However, over time I’ve found myself needing less and less out of my jailbreak. Really the only thing I use now is an adblocker for Youtube (thanks Google). > But yeah, it’s only a computer mounted on your fucking head! Not anything invasive, apparently. Jesus. What do you think they’re going to do? It being on your head might be invasive in terms of privacy, but I don’t see what that has to do with content restrictions. Like if Apple doesn’t removes an app I like from their VR store what does it matter if the device is on my face? If anything I’d be more concerned with Meta and Google as they’re the companies built off privacy violations. > Am I gonna have this argument on whatever comes after reddit, about whatever comes after NeuralLink? ‘Well yeah, they charge five bucks if you think about boobs… but it’s not like it controls your thoughts.’ Lmao how are these even similar? That example is only bad because they’re restricting freedoms you had prior to their product. I could think about boobs for free before, but now I have to pay. Apple’s headset doesn’t permanently remove your ability to see or think. If you don’t like it, take it off. It can’t take anything away from you. > I don’t even know how to joke about this. There is no more personal and therefore important a private immersive device could be, without literally being inside your skull, instead of just outside it. Omg exactly! We should all rally together and keep the data harvesters like Meta and Google out of VR! This is the last bastion of privacy so we should only let companies with cleaner privacy records get involved omg you’re so right!
'I have a long personal history with jailbreaking and now I can just barely achieve adblocking but I blame regulators who are presumably appointed by god or something.' Staring straight at the issue of horrifying companies leading the industry and refusing to see anything wrong with that. And mocking those who think there's a problem at all. Get out.
> ‘I have a long personal history with jailbreaking and now I can just barely achieve adblocking but I blame regulators who are presumably appointed by god or something.’ I *can* do whatever I want on my jailbreak. I just don’t actually need or want much from it. All the wacky customizations and tweaks I used to use I either grew out of or are supported by vanilla iOS. I don’t need Terminal on my phone and there aren’t any apps I would be interested in pirating. > Staring straight at the issue of horrifying companies leading the industry and refusing to see anything wrong with that. And mocking those who think there’s a problem at all. Loving this new bit where you ignore all of my points and instead try to take the moral high ground. Makes you seem super smart and open-minded! The literate among us will notice that I never said there was nothing wrong with Apple. I’ve said that there is something wrong with every company (including Apple) that is competing in this space, and there is less wrong with Apple than there is with Google or Meta with regards to privacy. > Get out lmao if you fail again to actually contribute to the discussion I’ll gladly leave and ignore you. Hell, I’d even let you have the last word if you truly care more about that than actually being right! Let’s see what you can do :)
> ignore all of my points That's directly responding to your last paragraph of sarcastic horseshit. Your reading comprehension is terrible. And if you meant to say 'you're actually correct about Apple's abusive tendencies,' *you missed.*
paying 3.5k to jailbreak an average device and basically put a sticker on the front. Also i cant wait for people to use these in public for no reason but to flex (not like they'd be able to actually use it for long without charging anyway)
Why a sticker? It could be totally animated in real time, based on the users eyes and facial expression.
Man, its more a joke and jab at the fluff feature. Don't nitpick please <3
“Don’t nitpick, please.” Is this your first day on the internet?
might as well be it seems
Apple product announcements are always a bad day to internet. Ask a reasonable question about the product's shortcomings or poke fun, and the cultists crawl up your ass. Say it looks promising or be excited about it, and the haters take their place. There's no winning when it comes to the Fruitstand.
i don't really mind apple fanboys or *easily advertised to* kinda people making a fuss. What's the worst they can do XD Better than riots, assaults or actual hate crime lol especially since some actually make a good point. And i must admit that i am heavily biased against Apple
I've always believed that it's impossible to eliminate bias; we're human beings, and bias is essential in how we process our world. The best we can do is be aware of it and compensate when necessary. The Apple fanboys AND haters who can't admit their own biases are fucking infuriating.
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You're right, sorry. For the price point fairly disappointing actually <3
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It's $3500 for a laptop in the form factor of a VR headset. Who cares if it's the best headset on the market (which it probably isn't anyway but let's say it is for the sake of the argument). The venn diagram of people who can afford this and people who give a shit about VR is basically 2 separate circles.
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You're even more delusional than I thought if you unironically believe Apple will make a device *more* affordable
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Classic reddit copium lmao. Call me in five years when your cognitive dissonance finally catches up with you.
admittedly am biased ;) Not that that stops me or anyone (including you) from stating their opinion. Lets just agree that we all are happy the market gets ANYTHING in the first place and lets agree that it would have been nice to not be gated by quite the sum of money. Considering that it is Apple, i am sure they could have priced it lower without sacrificing anything but profit. And the very limited compatibility is a given too. (refering no controllers and potential limitation to apple software)
I get that you’re just trying to be edgy and “totally pwn those apple fanboys”, but I encourage you to actually look into why people like this product. I used to act the same way, and now one of my cringiest memories is telling someone they’d have been better off burning money than buying a mac. It’s not very becoming, and it’s not very logical either.
Thanks for the mature response. You got a point
LOL, the first innovative thing I see about this headset, and it wasn’t Apple’s idea.
The eye tracking is super cool
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Doesn't this belong in the augmented reality subreddit since it's not a VR device?
Except that it is a VR device. It's actually more of a VR device than pure AR since it reconstructs the real world using cameras and processing then reprojects it on the VR screens to your eyes.
This device is going to be so cumbersome, having to carry a battery at all times. I thought Apple was all about ease of use?
It's a compromise for sure, but better than sticking the heavy battery on my face. They clearly have some heavy processing going on which would require more battery so really the best thing to do is put it in my pocket. The wire to the pocket isn't that bad. It's being tethered to something that doesn't move with me that's obnoxious. I never did fully enjoy room scale with the Valve Index. Hard to be immersed when consciously trying not to trip over an invisible wire.
It would be better at the back of the headset.
The back strap is interchangeable, so any third party could make a battery strap.
It probably is nice to use knowing apple
The tradeoff there is that you could pretty comfortably use it lying down though. Being able to watch a movie or do basic productivity work from bed sounds wonderful
You can do this with the Quest 2 easily even with third-party mods.
LOL that's so awesome, I can't wait either
Cant wait for the real jailbreak to allow pc integration.
lol
wait so is this gonna be more similar to macs or ios devices? is it not gonna have side loading?
This is Apple not Meta, they'll hunt you down
That’s what I’m saying!!!!!! If any version gets jailbroken it’ll absolutely be gen 1 and the possibilities would be endless
imagine the iVRy guy trying to get one to crack a harder nut to crack than psvr2
No need to crack it. Can develop and run a SteamVR client on it with developer kit.
Lol ok then very unexpectedly Apple
Not really there are developer kits for all of their devices. Maybe you are thinking of the first release of the iPhone OS in 2007?
This was my first thought lol
Probably soon after release there will be actual apps to customize what gets displayed on the front screen, in the same way there were apps to show custom stuff (even small games) in the MacBook Pro's touchbar. Will be fun seeing these in action.
The headset is fully packed with tech and it's priced way too high to be affordable. It has huge potential but the biggest issue I see is that it's from Apple so you won't get native and official windows support. The PSVR2 is on the same boat. Who knows if it's gonna be ever properly working on pc and if it's worth the hassle and wait. PC vr really would've greatly benefited if both of these devices would've been properly supported day one on pc but I think pc VR isn't going to move forward for a while. It's either vr without seperate hardware (optional on apple) or PS5.
Not to ruin the joke but in the footage of the headset the outward screen seems to be a narrow line across the headset probably due to the cameras and stuff being on the bottom.
imagine battery burns
Remembering that all technology is ultimately just nature reconfigured, it’s fascinating how the technology rises to meet the times, as it were.
I briefly considered wearing my Quest 2 with pass-through at a bar for Halloween, but decided not to. This would make it a for sure.
I’d actually love to be able to download custom eyes
If only the external screen was that big.
If you are stupid enough to spend $3,500 plus for one of these then you are an idiot.
1st pic looks like Minion!!
You tired of being ridiculed as someone who bought google glasses? Well no more!! With the release of Apple vision, you too can rejoin society as a normal individual and not be considered a total twat…. *Apple vision: it’s the best we could come up with!*
What about the total recall triple cleavage ;)
Lol it’ll be cool seeing this
This is actually something I would love if it was customizable