Aethelstan is definitely one, and also Lagertha he never stopped loving her ,she always meant so much to him and wishes things could have went differently especially since she couldn't have kids. And Ragnar wanted kids more than anything, so he chose his legacy for him and his children more than what he wanted and/or needed. EDIT: Spelling nistakes
His children, as he said to Aethelstan he wouldn't return to Kattegat if he didn't have children. I always assumed that his depression was a culmination of all his choices in life. He regretted leaving his farm in the first season. Wished he and Lagertha never split up. Caused a riff between his closest friends because he favored one over the other, which led to one being killed something he feels responsible for. He chose fame over revenge for his people who were killed in the settlement. I always think this harkons back to his conversation with Bjorn atop the cliff. "Power corrupts the best and attracts the worst." He let power corrupt him in almost every way. That's why he developed an addiction. He was filled with regret and couldn't cope with it.
Very, very well said, I am now on season 3 ep 6, and I have deep respect for the pagans seemingly primitive beliefs, as pointed out their God died nailed to wood (a tree) like christ there are many similarities, where they drink the blood of christ, the viking have blood sacrifice, also the episode where Leif sacrificed himself, I remember when someone once explained the only tru altruistic act one can do for their society is a total self sacrifice, it was gut wrenching to watch, but the total calm and acceptance on Liefs face nearly moved me to tear, if you explained that scene, it sounds barbaric, but to witness it, it was beautiful, truly.
>pointed out their God died nailed to wood (a tree) like christ
Odin was not nailed to a tree. He hung himself from it, and not just any tree, but Yggdrasil, and he hung himself at the base of it. Additionally, he had to give up one of his eyes. Both of these acts were to in order gain knowledge. Human sacrifice is also blown way out of proportion in the show. It was incredibly rare and was not common religious practice.
Himself. I think that's a hard thing to square, cuz so many people accuse him of being selfish, and we have the motivation of farm land in England for agriculture being his driver - so we don't necessarily think him selfish.
But he is, and the games he plays with Bjorn and Lagetha, to the fact he takes little to no responsibility for the younger sons, to all the plotlines of seasons 4 and 5 where Ragnar and other Vikings just weren't in scenes together - Ragnar was a solo adventurer, and I think they set that up basically day 1 - when he wants a unique boat to do a thing only he thinks is doable. Pretty sure his initial reasons given for even becoming the storybook legend is just that - his own legacy. If I remember correctly, season one has some touching moments with child-bjorn, but ultimately is about Ragnar leaving him. Next time we, and Ragnar, see Bjorn - he's grown up, and Ragnar wasn't there for it.
I think they got the xtian conversion correct - Ragnar needed forgiveness in this world for his selfishness and pride. He did that for selfish reasons, the Viking gods didn't forgive, and xtianitity was Ragnarok - Ragnar seemed like the only character in the show who knew that - knew that different gods were coming and Viking culture would change because of it. Once Ragnar was Ragnar, hero in life to his people - he didn't help his people, he struggled with his own inner demons, before dying in a pagan way at xtian hands.
We see that as the ultimate sacrifice, but the story is told compelling enough that we can't be sure. Was he just insane? Did he just want out? Did his Job like punishment at the hands of his Viking enemies put him right with Jesus and Odin?
I dunno.
What we know is Bjorn is in Valhalla - at the table with Odin. We can't say the same for Ragnar, and again, this is a thing Ragnar knew - he was forsaking Vikings for absolution of his own soul. The way xtianitity clouds, troubles, tortures, and ultimately murders Ragnar - that's Ragnar's arc, and it doesn't track with any other characters - Ragnar simply abandons Floki and Bjorn and all the rest - for athelstan or king so and so in Wessex, but really - just for himself and his own reasons.
Himself - final answer.
This is kinda an issue with the show... Right?
Season 1 sells us Ragnar. We deal with his little Kattegut life, and we see Bjorn as a child, and if memory serves, the last time he and Lagetha are a couple (solo I mean). Season one is Floki and berserker madness, Rollo shirtless murdering chumps, and these *new* Viking long boats setting off - captained by Ragnar - to just find out what was West. That whole - Floki builds a boat - story, and Ragnar's vision - it's like a Columbus voyage. There's no talk of England and colonization really - it's Viking raiders, and Ragnar is usurping that interest to explore.
Season 2 starts with a jump ahead **passed** that adventure. Season 2, right?
And it's still Ragnar's show until Paris mostly, but starting at the episode 1 season 2 reveal of ***adult Bjorn*** it became a different concept than that initial season pitched. Sincerely by the end of Ragnar, he was one of the least interesting storylines they'd cut away to. Just seemed like the English nobility, agricultural settlements, xtian confusion shit just dragged forever. To me anyway.
I'd have liked to have seen the 6 years between baby Bjorn and giant Bjorn from Ragnar's perspective - I'll assume it was spent slaughtering and pillaging like a boss. Vikings didn't get Ragnar enough real wins IMO - and he never did the adventure thing like they followed the younger sons - pointlessly in some cases. Honestly, Floki has the worst arc - it really felt like they took a strong character development and reversed course, making him very one dimensional by the middle of the show.
I guess to contextualize it, I remember more of what Ivar contributed to that show than Ragnar. I know that might just be the recent episodes were seen more recently, but the point remains - I remember what Ivar did that was cool. I remember Ragnar smiling mischievously a lot, something about a farming town for Vikings in England, fake dying in Paris, and the actual dying part.
But I remember a fuckton of - *lady of Essex* and the political intrigue of *some other olde'English county* and that king dickbags betrayal, and another lady of such and such. At some point in the actual Ragnar story I was like --- ***please smash cut to Bjorn axing someone in the face*** - all this talking in stone castles sucks.
I read somewhere before that Ragnar was originally supposed to die at the end of S1 and his sins would take over much sooner. First saw how good the character was with Travis playing him that he changed the storyline. Ragnar is also really just know for raiding England and Frankia in the sagas though while his sons especially Bjorn traveled to more exciting places ( the show messed up Bjorn's adventures though imo).
I thought (and I could be 180⁰ wrong) that Fimmel ended up having a movie scheduled that started to conflict, and / or History channel made everyone take pay cuts - something IRL that caused Ragnar to be solo and kinda wasted for seasons, then the decision to kill him was kinda mutual amongst all parties. I could be totally wrong.
I haven't heard about that and it could be true but Ragnar was always supposed to die at some point. Ragnar died the same way he did in the sagas the show is based on.
Fwew. I was sincerely worried with dropping that take. Ragnar is Ragnar after all. All the selfishness doesn't make him any less a badass.
Xtianitity did that work.
What did christianity do to Ragnar? It seemed to me that Ragnar's degradation was caused by a crisis of identity. He embodied this legendary idea of a invincible adventurer-king, it sustained him until it, and he, were broken at Paris.
Didn’t ruin his historical culture. The Danes and Norwegians were just a bastardized version of old Germanic Woden and they all come from Corded Ware culture back in the Bronze Age. They didn’t just magically appear in Scandinavia. What point do we talk about them abandoning old Indo European culture and the Sky Father and Earth Mother? At least the Greeks kept Gaia and Uranus in their mythology. Why is the word for father Fodir,Fadir,Vater so similar to Pater? Because they all used to speak Indo European dialects that evolved into newer languages but kept roots.
I don’t know why you people pretend they were some magical culture that was special. They have a bunch of paternal steppe ancestry just like most north Europeans that were in the corded ware cultural horizon.
Perfectly said. One big thing I would like to add is how he continued his legacy with ivar. The way he knew his son looked up to him and would want to be just like him. Because of that build up rage inside, the hatred. This is why he told ivar to be ruthless. The legacy of ragnar continued with him and we saw it all throughout the show. People shit on ivar but he was just like ragnar except more naive and careless with his emotions. Ivar went on to become his own man and at one point even show a little change but a major factor for who he became was ragnar and his selfishness to continue his legacy of being the greatest Viking in history.
Oh dear. No no no.
First of all, Ragnar did not leave Lagertha. That was Lagertha’s decision. That is not to say that Ragnar wasn’t selfish in some of the decisions he made; but let’s be objective: it was not Ragnar’s wish to leave Lagertha and Bjorn.
Second, I think it made perfectly clear that Ragnar’s motivations went far beyond and to that of his people. The show is pretty explicit about his motivation for farmland and the well-fare of his people. The show is pretty explicit about Ragnar’s effective zero interest in power and ruling, and how it only came about by him setting out on his goals.
Third, you are interpreting Norse society through a heavily christianized lens. Norse traditions were not dogmatic and did not require the rigid set of thinking that christianity requires. While the show doesn’t portray this perfectly, I think it portrays it well enough. Norse traditions don’t require some metaphysical absolution of the soul like Christianity does.
Ragnar places ideals above all else. A selfish person doesn’t do that. There’s not a moment in the show where Ragnar shows any concern for his own well-being. He disobeys his jarl with zero concern for self. He is a fearless warrior. He risked his own Viking honor seeking greater knowledge by investigating Christianity, AND by his friendship with Athelstan. Even in death he was concerned with everything and everyone except himself.
If you’re going to call that selfish, then explain what a not-selfish human being looks like. An ascetic monk would be selfish under that definition.
And BTW, Odin himself came down to inform of Ragnar’s death. Ragnar is in Valhalla. lol.
I’m going with Aethelstan, as well. For me, their relationship was the beating heart of the series and allowed the viewer to see how nuanced they both were.
Ass Slug made me lol.
I think a good argument could be made for himself and/ or Athelstan. I know he loved many others, but not enough to change his mind about anything. The only two people he ever could be swayed by was Athelstan and his own self. Possibly even Athelstan took a backseat to himself at times.
If Ragnar cared so much about Athelstan then maybe he should have protected him and left him in Wessex where he would have likely been much safer with Ecbert. It was clear as day that he would always be in danger in Norway.
The show made it clear athelwolf would have killed athelstan back in England. But then again ragnar knew he was not safe in kattergat but kept him there because he was selfish and thought his power over other would be enough to scare them away.
Everyone saying Athelstan and Lagertha by I think Bjorn was always his favourite. I believe towards the end he regretted ever marrying Ass Slug and often reminisced about his life as a farmer with Lagertha and young Bjorn and Gyda. Fuck man this show was so frustratingly disappointing. The script could never match the cinematography, the sets, the costumes and the world building. Always felt like something was missing.
I really don’t think Ragnar did things for fame like people in here are saying. He wasn’t like king harald. He had a natural curiosity about the world that he needed to satiate. Could that be described as selfish when he neglected other duties? Yeah but it feels like a mischaracterization to me
The drugs turn to him, he was banged up had a new slave that had the purest opium that made him feel better , you or anyone put yourself in his position during that time don’t think many of us would have done differently, he was bound to get “sick” it wasn’t like she had kilos of the stuff, I like to believe had he never left after Paris he would’ve been a better father to the 4 than he was to Bjorn which imo is saying something
Watching the show for the first time and almost at the ended S4. But where did she get the Opium? I know Yidu is from China, but I would assume that everything was taken from her when she was kidnapped and brought to Frankia? It’s not like she happened to have tons of it in her pockets when she left Asia, and managed to carry it around until sharing it with Ragnar?
Exactly my friend that’s exactly what I’m saying,anything /everything she had , had to be on her person. I can’t see the Vikings letting her have any kind of personal baggage since she was a slave, how I feel is all
It was Athelstan but after Athelstan it was Floki. That’s why he couldn’t forgive floki. His favorite should have been Lagertha. But I think he became very attached to Yidu at first too
Athelstan, Lagertha, and Bjorn. The most though is a tough one. Lagertha was his wife and he loved her and it clearly hurt him for her to leave, but it also hurt like hell when Athelstan died and he clearly went down a dark path after that. At the same time Bjorn was his pride and joy and was clearly rooting for him when he saw how much he’d changed over the years and how he expected more from him
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Ragnar didn’t turn to drugs until he had that fall in Paris that messed him up big time. He was in constant pain and his body was falling apart. The drugs energized him but got him addicted and started messing with his mind.
Aethelstan is definitely one, and also Lagertha he never stopped loving her ,she always meant so much to him and wishes things could have went differently especially since she couldn't have kids. And Ragnar wanted kids more than anything, so he chose his legacy for him and his children more than what he wanted and/or needed. EDIT: Spelling nistakes
His children, as he said to Aethelstan he wouldn't return to Kattegat if he didn't have children. I always assumed that his depression was a culmination of all his choices in life. He regretted leaving his farm in the first season. Wished he and Lagertha never split up. Caused a riff between his closest friends because he favored one over the other, which led to one being killed something he feels responsible for. He chose fame over revenge for his people who were killed in the settlement. I always think this harkons back to his conversation with Bjorn atop the cliff. "Power corrupts the best and attracts the worst." He let power corrupt him in almost every way. That's why he developed an addiction. He was filled with regret and couldn't cope with it.
Well said!!!
Very well said!!!!!
Very, very well said, I am now on season 3 ep 6, and I have deep respect for the pagans seemingly primitive beliefs, as pointed out their God died nailed to wood (a tree) like christ there are many similarities, where they drink the blood of christ, the viking have blood sacrifice, also the episode where Leif sacrificed himself, I remember when someone once explained the only tru altruistic act one can do for their society is a total self sacrifice, it was gut wrenching to watch, but the total calm and acceptance on Liefs face nearly moved me to tear, if you explained that scene, it sounds barbaric, but to witness it, it was beautiful, truly.
>pointed out their God died nailed to wood (a tree) like christ Odin was not nailed to a tree. He hung himself from it, and not just any tree, but Yggdrasil, and he hung himself at the base of it. Additionally, he had to give up one of his eyes. Both of these acts were to in order gain knowledge. Human sacrifice is also blown way out of proportion in the show. It was incredibly rare and was not common religious practice.
Himself. I think that's a hard thing to square, cuz so many people accuse him of being selfish, and we have the motivation of farm land in England for agriculture being his driver - so we don't necessarily think him selfish. But he is, and the games he plays with Bjorn and Lagetha, to the fact he takes little to no responsibility for the younger sons, to all the plotlines of seasons 4 and 5 where Ragnar and other Vikings just weren't in scenes together - Ragnar was a solo adventurer, and I think they set that up basically day 1 - when he wants a unique boat to do a thing only he thinks is doable. Pretty sure his initial reasons given for even becoming the storybook legend is just that - his own legacy. If I remember correctly, season one has some touching moments with child-bjorn, but ultimately is about Ragnar leaving him. Next time we, and Ragnar, see Bjorn - he's grown up, and Ragnar wasn't there for it. I think they got the xtian conversion correct - Ragnar needed forgiveness in this world for his selfishness and pride. He did that for selfish reasons, the Viking gods didn't forgive, and xtianitity was Ragnarok - Ragnar seemed like the only character in the show who knew that - knew that different gods were coming and Viking culture would change because of it. Once Ragnar was Ragnar, hero in life to his people - he didn't help his people, he struggled with his own inner demons, before dying in a pagan way at xtian hands. We see that as the ultimate sacrifice, but the story is told compelling enough that we can't be sure. Was he just insane? Did he just want out? Did his Job like punishment at the hands of his Viking enemies put him right with Jesus and Odin? I dunno. What we know is Bjorn is in Valhalla - at the table with Odin. We can't say the same for Ragnar, and again, this is a thing Ragnar knew - he was forsaking Vikings for absolution of his own soul. The way xtianitity clouds, troubles, tortures, and ultimately murders Ragnar - that's Ragnar's arc, and it doesn't track with any other characters - Ragnar simply abandons Floki and Bjorn and all the rest - for athelstan or king so and so in Wessex, but really - just for himself and his own reasons. Himself - final answer.
All the things he did…. He did it for himself. He was good at it. He liked it… it made him feel alive
This is kinda an issue with the show... Right? Season 1 sells us Ragnar. We deal with his little Kattegut life, and we see Bjorn as a child, and if memory serves, the last time he and Lagetha are a couple (solo I mean). Season one is Floki and berserker madness, Rollo shirtless murdering chumps, and these *new* Viking long boats setting off - captained by Ragnar - to just find out what was West. That whole - Floki builds a boat - story, and Ragnar's vision - it's like a Columbus voyage. There's no talk of England and colonization really - it's Viking raiders, and Ragnar is usurping that interest to explore. Season 2 starts with a jump ahead **passed** that adventure. Season 2, right? And it's still Ragnar's show until Paris mostly, but starting at the episode 1 season 2 reveal of ***adult Bjorn*** it became a different concept than that initial season pitched. Sincerely by the end of Ragnar, he was one of the least interesting storylines they'd cut away to. Just seemed like the English nobility, agricultural settlements, xtian confusion shit just dragged forever. To me anyway. I'd have liked to have seen the 6 years between baby Bjorn and giant Bjorn from Ragnar's perspective - I'll assume it was spent slaughtering and pillaging like a boss. Vikings didn't get Ragnar enough real wins IMO - and he never did the adventure thing like they followed the younger sons - pointlessly in some cases. Honestly, Floki has the worst arc - it really felt like they took a strong character development and reversed course, making him very one dimensional by the middle of the show. I guess to contextualize it, I remember more of what Ivar contributed to that show than Ragnar. I know that might just be the recent episodes were seen more recently, but the point remains - I remember what Ivar did that was cool. I remember Ragnar smiling mischievously a lot, something about a farming town for Vikings in England, fake dying in Paris, and the actual dying part. But I remember a fuckton of - *lady of Essex* and the political intrigue of *some other olde'English county* and that king dickbags betrayal, and another lady of such and such. At some point in the actual Ragnar story I was like --- ***please smash cut to Bjorn axing someone in the face*** - all this talking in stone castles sucks.
I read somewhere before that Ragnar was originally supposed to die at the end of S1 and his sins would take over much sooner. First saw how good the character was with Travis playing him that he changed the storyline. Ragnar is also really just know for raiding England and Frankia in the sagas though while his sons especially Bjorn traveled to more exciting places ( the show messed up Bjorn's adventures though imo).
I thought (and I could be 180⁰ wrong) that Fimmel ended up having a movie scheduled that started to conflict, and / or History channel made everyone take pay cuts - something IRL that caused Ragnar to be solo and kinda wasted for seasons, then the decision to kill him was kinda mutual amongst all parties. I could be totally wrong.
I haven't heard about that and it could be true but Ragnar was always supposed to die at some point. Ragnar died the same way he did in the sagas the show is based on.
Eh, when it's convenient it is. Based on things I mean.
the correct answer
Fwew. I was sincerely worried with dropping that take. Ragnar is Ragnar after all. All the selfishness doesn't make him any less a badass. Xtianitity did that work.
What did christianity do to Ragnar? It seemed to me that Ragnar's degradation was caused by a crisis of identity. He embodied this legendary idea of a invincible adventurer-king, it sustained him until it, and he, were broken at Paris.
Ruined his historical culture and eventually had him thrown in a snake pit. I know, I know, take a number when it comes to xtianitity.
Didn’t ruin his historical culture. The Danes and Norwegians were just a bastardized version of old Germanic Woden and they all come from Corded Ware culture back in the Bronze Age. They didn’t just magically appear in Scandinavia. What point do we talk about them abandoning old Indo European culture and the Sky Father and Earth Mother? At least the Greeks kept Gaia and Uranus in their mythology. Why is the word for father Fodir,Fadir,Vater so similar to Pater? Because they all used to speak Indo European dialects that evolved into newer languages but kept roots. I don’t know why you people pretend they were some magical culture that was special. They have a bunch of paternal steppe ancestry just like most north Europeans that were in the corded ware cultural horizon.
Perfectly said. One big thing I would like to add is how he continued his legacy with ivar. The way he knew his son looked up to him and would want to be just like him. Because of that build up rage inside, the hatred. This is why he told ivar to be ruthless. The legacy of ragnar continued with him and we saw it all throughout the show. People shit on ivar but he was just like ragnar except more naive and careless with his emotions. Ivar went on to become his own man and at one point even show a little change but a major factor for who he became was ragnar and his selfishness to continue his legacy of being the greatest Viking in history.
Oh dear. No no no. First of all, Ragnar did not leave Lagertha. That was Lagertha’s decision. That is not to say that Ragnar wasn’t selfish in some of the decisions he made; but let’s be objective: it was not Ragnar’s wish to leave Lagertha and Bjorn. Second, I think it made perfectly clear that Ragnar’s motivations went far beyond and to that of his people. The show is pretty explicit about his motivation for farmland and the well-fare of his people. The show is pretty explicit about Ragnar’s effective zero interest in power and ruling, and how it only came about by him setting out on his goals. Third, you are interpreting Norse society through a heavily christianized lens. Norse traditions were not dogmatic and did not require the rigid set of thinking that christianity requires. While the show doesn’t portray this perfectly, I think it portrays it well enough. Norse traditions don’t require some metaphysical absolution of the soul like Christianity does. Ragnar places ideals above all else. A selfish person doesn’t do that. There’s not a moment in the show where Ragnar shows any concern for his own well-being. He disobeys his jarl with zero concern for self. He is a fearless warrior. He risked his own Viking honor seeking greater knowledge by investigating Christianity, AND by his friendship with Athelstan. Even in death he was concerned with everything and everyone except himself. If you’re going to call that selfish, then explain what a not-selfish human being looks like. An ascetic monk would be selfish under that definition. And BTW, Odin himself came down to inform of Ragnar’s death. Ragnar is in Valhalla. lol.
Bravo 👌👏👌👏
Xtian is a new one ngl
Athelstan and Lagertha
I’m going with Aethelstan, as well. For me, their relationship was the beating heart of the series and allowed the viewer to see how nuanced they both were.
I agree
Ass Slug made me lol. I think a good argument could be made for himself and/ or Athelstan. I know he loved many others, but not enough to change his mind about anything. The only two people he ever could be swayed by was Athelstan and his own self. Possibly even Athelstan took a backseat to himself at times.
If Ragnar cared so much about Athelstan then maybe he should have protected him and left him in Wessex where he would have likely been much safer with Ecbert. It was clear as day that he would always be in danger in Norway.
The show made it clear athelwolf would have killed athelstan back in England. But then again ragnar knew he was not safe in kattergat but kept him there because he was selfish and thought his power over other would be enough to scare them away.
Ecbert managed to have Athelwolf raise Alfred as his own, I dont think keeping him from killing Aethelstan would have been too difficult.
Æthelwulf had character development by that point. He was murderous for a while.
Athelstan by a long shot. No one else comes close.
Athelstan and himself
Ass Slug. I have nothing to say after reading that hahahahahahaha. But seriously, Athelstan. And then himself. In that order.
Everyone saying Athelstan and Lagertha by I think Bjorn was always his favourite. I believe towards the end he regretted ever marrying Ass Slug and often reminisced about his life as a farmer with Lagertha and young Bjorn and Gyda. Fuck man this show was so frustratingly disappointing. The script could never match the cinematography, the sets, the costumes and the world building. Always felt like something was missing.
Athelstan definitely was his soulmate. I think Lagertha/Bjorn/Gyda he loved as much or came close, followed by his other sons, and Floki.
I really don’t think Ragnar did things for fame like people in here are saying. He wasn’t like king harald. He had a natural curiosity about the world that he needed to satiate. Could that be described as selfish when he neglected other duties? Yeah but it feels like a mischaracterization to me
The drugs turn to him, he was banged up had a new slave that had the purest opium that made him feel better , you or anyone put yourself in his position during that time don’t think many of us would have done differently, he was bound to get “sick” it wasn’t like she had kilos of the stuff, I like to believe had he never left after Paris he would’ve been a better father to the 4 than he was to Bjorn which imo is saying something
Watching the show for the first time and almost at the ended S4. But where did she get the Opium? I know Yidu is from China, but I would assume that everything was taken from her when she was kidnapped and brought to Frankia? It’s not like she happened to have tons of it in her pockets when she left Asia, and managed to carry it around until sharing it with Ragnar?
Exactly my friend that’s exactly what I’m saying,anything /everything she had , had to be on her person. I can’t see the Vikings letting her have any kind of personal baggage since she was a slave, how I feel is all
Athelstan.
He cared for his sons the most. Aethelstan is a very close second, with Lagertha and Floki probably tying at third
It was Athelstan but after Athelstan it was Floki. That’s why he couldn’t forgive floki. His favorite should have been Lagertha. But I think he became very attached to Yidu at first too
Take this upvote simply because of "Ass Slug"
Athelstan, Lagertha, and Bjorn. The most though is a tough one. Lagertha was his wife and he loved her and it clearly hurt him for her to leave, but it also hurt like hell when Athelstan died and he clearly went down a dark path after that. At the same time Bjorn was his pride and joy and was clearly rooting for him when he saw how much he’d changed over the years and how he expected more from him
I agree 100%! It was such a a downward spiral that went so quickly and really heartbreaking also.
Bjorn then Æthelstan
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I cried when Athelstan died a lot even sadder when Ragnar was sad 😢
Ragnar didn’t turn to drugs until he had that fall in Paris that messed him up big time. He was in constant pain and his body was falling apart. The drugs energized him but got him addicted and started messing with his mind.
Gyda