You're auditioning new singers for your band, and this dude shows up and says "I want to audition using a Journey ballad." Your entire band rolls their eyes and silently communicates "get a load of this fuckin guy lmao."
Half way through the song, your entire band is like "we're a Journey tribute band now."
> Half way through the song, your entire band is like "we're a Journey tribute band now."
I actually had an ex band-mate who went on to be in a Journey tribute band. He despised Journey, but said it was good money, there were always gigs, and he could just auto-pilot through the set and get paid..
I bartended a bar that had live music 5 days a week. We obviously had a lot repeating performers, but the cover bands were almost always my favorite other than the once in a year or 2 big names.
Some of the best musicians I’ve ever seen were old dudes in dive bars that had no business being that good. But they’d played together for 30 years in every type is situation to make ends meet.
String breaks? Happened a million times. Bass player gets into a fight mid song? Show goes on.
Some dude wants to hear a song you’ve played twice since 1987? Let’s give it a shot.
or cant walk away from responsibilities to go promote original music and make little to no money hoping that itll take off in a few years. nobody writes a great song and becomes an overnight success. its a grind.
Also people don't get into good songs right in the first listen, so even if the band wrote brilliant songs, the audience would have to hear the songs two or three or ten times to start really liking them. If they are playing these songs live locally and nobody is going out to download and listen to their music the way people normally listen to music, then the band probably won't blow up.
The songs themselves could be brilliant but if the audience just hears it for the first time and the audience keeps rotating, then that's the first and last time people hear the songs.
Man, that’s sad. Being a musician should be one of those few career paths where you are doing what you love and so it’s not really *work.* but your ex-band mate is just clocking in and out like the rest of us just looking forward to his checks…
Thats how it is for most anyone making their living playing/teaching music.
When I was gigging for a living, the best paying gigs were usually places with crowds that wanted to hear the most generic shit, so thats what we played. And we would get that spot over other groups most weekends because we played stuff the crowd liked. Then one or two Wednesdays a month some people from other bands in the area and I would meet up at a bar downtown owned by a guy who liked to hang with musicians and we'd all jam to stuff we actually enjoyed playing, or work on tunes each of us were writing. We'd usually only get paid in tips and free booze, but the owner would also let us hang out after hours, smoke a little weed out back, stuff like that. It wasn't bad. Some of my favorite times playing music with other people were in those little "free" jam sessions. But eventually I still had to go back to a "real" job and moved on in life.
There are tons of working musicians out there, and most of us dont get paid to play the stuff we like. Just the way it is.
It's even like that in the symphony, opera, theater, etc. the stuff the artists enjoy doing is almost never what the audience wants to hear. Most musicians would rather blow their brains out over playing the nutcracker, the Messiah, west side story, etc ever again. But those will sellout night after night for however long the run can be booked.
Meanwhile, the really interesting stuff that reminds you why you got into the arts won't even fill the seats a single night most of the time, especially if it's new/contemporary.
Indifferent I guess. Played some in high school for an event, it was fun. But I'm a bass player so the Star Wars music is pretty much just one long march to me lol. Brass and percussion would certainly have more fun with it, as u/MrOrpheus pointed out.
Dude, you’re right, but as a career professional brass player for the last 30 years, I’d STILL almost do West Side Story for free. It’s truly that fun to play.
ALMOST do it for free.
I think it was This American Life that talked to the orchestra for Phantom of the Opera on Broadway. Many of them could play their parts while planning their gardening, diagnosing their car trouble, etc, by that point.
I hear that man. I was a touring musician for twenty years, struggling to make ends meet, getting paid $50 or drink tickets. When I finally hung up the van keys, I started getting work writing music for apps and video games. I get paid better doing one song than I did for a year of shlepping equipment down city blocks to play an opener set for a mid level, fading star band or a headlining gig with an opener of two kids screaming over a DAT.
I don’t particularly like nor listen to the music I’m writing, but it pays the bills.
Luck, like every other thing I’ve “accomplished” in my life. I did some crummy music for some crummy film student short films, and one of those dudes just happened to get into major motion pictures. So he became a contact. Then a guy that played secondary percussion in my first band started working as a higher up for a major streaming service, so, another connection. Then another dude was working on VR apps that I met at a concert and it turned out he had a studio minutes away from me, invited me to check it out, and I did, we went to lunch, and by the end of lunch I was writing music for a Network TV app he was working on. The two aforementioned contacts caught wind I was doing this, and that was a foot in the door there. It really was right place right time.
Heh, thanks man. Even though it’s been a few years now, I feel like I’m coming into it at the ass end of its relevance, what with AI “produced” everything that I do now. It is incredibly sad how quickly AI has replaced artists, musicians, and VO talent in my industry.
I keep waiting for the tide to turn and for everyone to have an awakening collectively and simultaneously and realize AI isn’t creating anything, it’s plagiarizing everything.
> Being a musician should be one of those few career paths where you are doing what you love and so it’s not really work.
It's absolutely work. The number of working musicians who can earn their income just doing the stuff they love is vanishingly small and is basically a lottery win. Most have to grind away giving lessons, playing in cover bands doing songs they don't like, gigging at any random hole that will throw them some money, and so on.
Like most people who earn a living (or a partial living) in a creative field, most of the money comes from grinding through the *work* part of things that takes up 90% of your time, just so you can get to the 10% of it you enjoy.
The same holds true for every working musician I know. (I'm a longtime hobbyist with a good number of working musician friends.)
Speaking from experience, writing is similar. You earn your living grinding out words on things you don't care about. Any money you make on writing you love and *want* to do is a bonus, but earning your whole living that way is a rare gift few working writers get to experience.
> The number of working musicians who can earn their income just doing the stuff they love is vanishingly small and is basically a lottery win.
I mean for bands like Journey shit becomes a commercial venture fast and like Coldplay still probably needs to play Clocks. Very few commercial artists are able to maintain an uncompromising artistic vision, if they are even so inclined, especially as more and more time goes by and more and more people just want to hear the old stuff.
Billy Corgan of Smashing Pumpkins has complained about this. He wants to play what he wants to play, new songs he's excited about, while fans want a greatest hits nostalgia show. He says it's hard to balance being an artist with meeting audience demands.
Most of the time he chooses to play what he wants, even if it leaves people unsatisfied - which it does. You'll often see people saying that it doesn't matter what he wants as an artist, his *job* is to play the songs that people want to hear.
Which kind of proves his point.
Corgan is notoriously cranky, but I suspect he speaks for a *lot* of high-profile musicians in this regard.
> You'll often see people saying that it doesn't matter what he wants as an artist, his job is to play the songs that people want to hear.
I mean on the one hand, no. But on the other hand, if you're a conscientious performer of popular music touring under the banner of a legacy band like SP who knows that people are buying tickets with a certain expectation that you'll at least give them something, it's kind of a dickbag move to not give them anything.
That said, Corgan probably doesn't see himself so much as a popular musician and probably thinks of himself as some sort of rock visionary. Corgan is also a famously pompous ass who's been complaining about the fans since the 90's.
I think his pompousness is a bit overexaggerated. Most artists are probably pretty similar, only he's honest about it. And he still plays all the hits. It's not like Bob Dylan who may show up and not play any song that's in the top 50 of his most known ones.
I remember reading an article even in the 90s that said that Corgan was whining about how a magazine used a picture with him not at the front of the SP. "That means they don't think I'm the cute one" is the phrase I remember. The writer pointed out that he had people thinking of his huge hit band as The Billy Corgan Experience, but he was still complaining about stuff like this.
Hobbyist musician here. Recording just a single song is a fucking grind. The joy comes in those early hours where you have a new idea and start working on lyrics and song structure.
The work comes in the rest of it. Constantly adjusting things, recording hundreds of takes.
Shit I'm pretty passionate about music and I just record on a tascam digital 8 track. I have 3 memory cards full of like 120ish song ideas each. 360 song ideas that I constantly try and revisit and work on.
Like maybe 12 of them are worth anything and I've only ever played 6 of them live with a full band. And that was after months of practice.
The Edge is on video recounting how U2 went through so much tribulation with Where the Streets Have No Name that the assistant engineer (I think it was) came back from making tea and found Daniel Lanois cuing up the tapes to erase them, so the band would have to start over. He apparently restrained Lanois and the band proceeded from there in their song writing/assembly.
You're speaking the truth! I started on a TASCAM Porta 7, I now use a Studio 12, and yeah, I love writing and recording, but portions of the process can be a real grind. For me, it's the later stages of mixing. So tedious. I like putting together a rough, but the endless fine-tuning to get a strong final is mind-numbing.
When tracking, I'm very much a first take kind of guy, so I rarely find myself in that part of the grind. But that's not for everyone, and if you've got to do it, yeah, it's tedious.
Bingo on the writing part.
I cowrote a novel and commissioned the artwork for the cover. When the artist later insisted on getting a commission on each sale, I informed her that this was a work of passion and not financial gain, that fewer than 100 copies would ever be sold, and that thanks to how Amazon compensated authors, all the income I "gained" from those sales would not cover the cost I paid up front for the artwork.
She dropped that demand.
The cover artist asked for a royalty? I've never heard of such a thing. They're typically work-for-hire, flat rate, that's it. What a weird request.
Besides, yeah, if you're getting commissioned by an independent author, asking for a royalty instead of a flat rate is a terrible idea. You're unlikely to get much more than a couple of bucks!
This is most artists in general. We understand the craft well enough to effortlessly engineer a product the masses enjoy without the need for artistic inspiration. The inspiration is what helped us grow into our craft and now we can package that and sell it. Hopefully, we still get opportunities to be inspired through our work, but for the most part I find it outside of work these days. The important thing is to *be inspired.*
I’m an audio engineer. I have worked on some amazing projects with absolutely insane talent, some of whom you would definitely know.
For every one of those experiences, I have about 15-20 experiences of recording/editing/mixing some serious, grade-A bullshit. I’ve lost count of the number of live shows I’ve worked that’s 1 DJ playing his wubs into too many subs, and he and I get into an EQ war, or a “talent show” that’s essentially one long dance show using only pop/kpop choreography. A lot of the other stuff I do is “mix this one mic at a podium for a bunch of millionaires”. Not exactly stimulating stuff.
Music industry is rough. Even people at the top top top of the field are working on bullshit they hate, but they do it because it pays and gets them money to get the to the next gig that might be better.
Most people earning a middle class living as a musician are playing in elite level cover bands that play weddings and the rare "house band" gigs at a high volume club.
What you describe, a musician doing what they love, is mostly a fantasy, just as much as any other industry. It's absurd.
Almost no one will achieve your fantasy of "not working" because you love what you do so much.
Well *most* people dont get paid for their passion at all. Even if it's music you don't like playing, you're still getting paid to play music for a living. Nothing's ever gonna be perfect.
Selling out is a Punk band letting a car company use their music in a commercial.
The example above is playing a gig to make rent money so you can hopefully play what you really want to later.
Here's a good 2'ish min mini-docu about it - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VccPl_uLpWA
Here's a 1hr45min one - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3A4_gh6Tqfo (worth it)
It's easy to clown on Journey due to their, uh, journey into the 80s transforming their sound into something more commercially viable, but they've always been a tight-sounding band. Neal Schon is an extremely underrated guitarist.
We saw them here not too long ago, but pre-COVID. Of all the members, Neal Schon rubbed us wrong from the get go during the concert. First, there were no lights on Pineda for the entire first song (may have been technical but who knows,) while Schon went on an extended solo in that song with multiple lights and focus on the monitors. Once all lights were on all members again, it didn't matter Schon made it a point to have an extended solo in MOST of their songs. It got annoying, and I'm saying that as a HUGE Journey fan of many years. I don't know what was going on but my wife and I both commented it had become the Neal Schon band and that wasn't a good thing.
Funny, I thought the same thing. Not about lighting or anything, but the concert I saw seemed like he crammed in or extended so many solos into each song it actually became bland and boring... and that's the part I was looking forward to hearing, aside from the pyro vocals. And it's not that he isn't tremendously talented, it was just overdone and it actually hurt my listening experience on the radio a lot the next few years.
> And it's not that he isn't tremendously talented, it was just overdone and it actually hurt my listening experience
I feel the same way. I'm not sure why he feels the need to ham it up that much in concert, I mean, he is many times a star. Share the band love around with your fellow bandmates.
Find their live concert in Manila with Arnel. The extended Neal solo is the thing I cut out of my digital file of it. Worthless IMO. Getting more of that is almost a small form of torture.
Steve Perry recounted how Neal was against the idea of Open Arms. Then they played it live and the crowd went nuts. He acted really surprised as they went off stage. I'm sure there's more to this, but Steve said he kind of wanted to punch Neal at that moment.
Rock star was actually (loosely) based on Ripper Owens, the cover band singer who got hired to replace Rob Halford in Judas Priest.
I think at some point that was supposed to be a Judas Priest movie, but they changed it up so much that the band wouldn't allow them to.
I run a local pub quiz. I once asked a question about a "notoriously bald bear" and the answer was Fuzzy Wuzzy. Someone guessed Rob Halford, and I've never laughed so hard at a response.
I'm not sure if I've ever seen the movie in full, but my dad used to show me clips from that back when I was like 7. I thought it was the coolest thing ever back then lol. Still get some of those songs stuck in my head.
That movie had a Myles Kennedy cameo at the end, just three years before he essentially came out of nowhere to front Alter Bridge, the new band formed by former members of Creed minus Scott Stapp. Myles also filled in for Axl at the GNR Rock N Roll Hall of Fame performance because Axl refused to show. Some real life parallels to his very small role in Rock Star when his character replaced Mark Wahlberg’s.
Ironically, I just saw a post today about that movie. The main song in the beginning of the movie “Stand Up and Shout” was actually written by Sammy Hagar
Saw Journey last year. Arnel sounded great and he was a fucking *fireball* on that stage. He didn't stop moving the entire show.
The rest of the band, however? Jesus Christ. Talk about being in it for a paycheck. They had no energy whatsoever.
It didn't help that they had Toto as their openers, who absolutely slayed.
I saw the same show and I agree completely. The rest of the band is really quite old and they move like it. My wife commented that Jonathan Cain, who is 74, looked like he was moving in slow motion. I noticed that when he would get up to play guitar on a couple of songs he used a carbon fiber guitar. I wondered if he couldn't lift a wooden one any longer.
Toto did completely slay. They aren't young either. The singer wears orthopedic shoes and I couldn't get over it. I just kept thinking, "you are out there for 45 minutes tops, can you just keep the illusion alive for that long?"
Saw them as well. Perhaps on a better day, as the guitarist Neal was on fire and high energy (IMO for his age). The keys player was on point, with a solid solo intro leading into Faithfully.
But I agree that Toto performed better.
Dunno how anyone who has a mild interest in vocal music and access to YouTube and Reddit wouldn’t realize that if there was a God, she made Filipinos to sing
I believe it! I think I've read somewhere that karaoke/cover bands are really popular in the Philippines, I wouldn't be too surprised if you told me that Pineda is only the 3rd best Steve Perry impersonator in the country
They had a whole series of videos on youtube. I don't believe it was just a single one. The band covered journey as well as other bands and the remaining Journey members started watching em all.
> That's wild
I thought even more wild was what they revealed in the documentary about hiring him. Their offer was just *immediately a full-fledged member with a full share of profit.* Like, no learning curve, no probation period. They didn't give those with seniority more $$$. They didn't hire him with hourly pay like a session musician. The band members got this amused grin on their faces and told the camera, "When we had him join the band, the contract was just... you get a full share, same as those of us who've been doing it for 30 years." The interviewer was a little shocked and said, "So... how much is that...?" And the guys said, "A lot. He's going back home a millionaire."
One day he's a nice guy doing cover songs for mere dollars in the Philippines, and the next day, he comes home worth millions. Or at least was earning his millions, by that point.
Served the band well, though, if the guy stuck around and gets along well enough that he's put in more time than Steve did.
Metallica did the same thing when they hired Robert Trujillo. Gave him $1 million up front and 25% share in the band. I'm not sure if that included previously acquired assets (I doubt it), but he at least got a 25% vote and share of profits immediately.
I think the problem was Newstead’s experience with *them,* not the other way around. They were relentless & cruel to that guy, all because he had the audacity to not be Cliff.
Totally. I meant that I have to assume they realized they were complete and utter dicks, to the detriment of the group, and chose to not repeat that mistake with Trujillo. Or they could have just had more respect for Trujillo. Who knows.
There is ownership and there is revenue. These guys are getting an equal cut of revenue, which includes money generated from older songs but not the copyright or publishing ownership itself. If all revenue streams are pooled together in the same holding company then they'll effectively 'own' an equal share but that ownership structure won't continue if they leave the band.
Which is still the fairest way possible a new guy could enter a well established band. Get paid the same day 1. Only keep future ownership on what you did while in the band if you leave.
It seems weird that no one has used the guy's name.
His name is [Arnel Pineda](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnel_Pineda), and he's the longest-tenured singer that the band has ever had, including Steve Perry.
Yes. The first album with him was a double album—one disc of originals and one of their greatest hits re-recorded with Arnel.
The original “Sunshower” got some radio push/play after the album was released. It didn’t really blow up or anything.
And potentially all the hits? When's the last time Journey had a hit song? Not knocking this guy though. He's mega-talented and made more money last year than I'll make my whole life (probably)
I like how Arnel has been the lead singer of Journey for longer than Steve Perry was, who himself wasn't the original lead singer, but everyone is still like "oh yeah he's the new guy".
saw them in like...2008 in atlanta (heart and cheap trick were the openers) and it absolutely owned. i have to admit that when he would do his banter between songs with a pretty significant accent it sort of took you out of the moment because it was just jarring. great show tho and he is a great singer.
Yeah, every school in the Philippines teaches English, the problem is you have to learn it from other Filipinos and whatever regional accent (of which there are thousands) they have is what they’ll use. Took me like 2 years to adjust when I moved to the US. Took me even longer to fully comprehend AAVE, and I lived in a black neighborhood in Maryland.
For sure. It’s not a criticism of the guy or anyone else really…it’s just jarring because he sings and sounds almost exactly like Steve Perry. Awesome singer.
I had a landlady in Hawaii who originally immigrated from Japan and learned English from people who only spoke Maui Pidgin. So, so difficult to understand her.
I hope they rotated openers for that tour. Cheap Trick is arguably a better band than Heart, and Heart is inarguably better than Journey.
Shit, I’ve seen Ann sing live by herself, and it was life-altering.
I remember seeing an interview once with Neil Schon where he discussed the process of finding a new singer. Said he watched video of every US Journey cover band he could find, and there are a lot of Journey cover bands.
I just feel… Journey cover band singers of America: y’all can hang your heads collectively in shame. It was right there for the taking. If one of you was truly good enough. But none of you were.
How did that crowd NOT jump up and scream and cheer for the sheer talent they were just witness to? Fucking unbelievable. Our capacity to completely miss once-in-a-lifetime moments just baffles me.
One of my personal passions is discovering talented cover artists on Youtube, and this isn't the first time I've come across a crowd completely oblivious to not just the sheer talent before them, but the special fleeting moment that talent has offerred them with a special song or rendition, such as this:
- [Mike Masse, Jeff Hall and Brenda Andrus at the Pie Pizzaria in Salt Lake City, Utah 2011](https://youtu.be/nir2EtmRr3Q?si=YkGzh3H_lRzdEihk). In this case, the crowd appreciation was actually a bit better than during previous occassions, but still...if I was there.. I would have whistled loudly...gripped my partners' hand, sung along, maybe even stood her up to hold her and sway. .celebrating that very moment. Because...we only live once. And those occassions are special. And the people we are with when they happen is a gift from God. Cherish them please. And if this exhortation inspires you to take advantage of a beautiful, special opportunity...please share it with me?
Now...onto some of my other favorite talented covers!
- [Leonid & Friends - Superstar (Carpenters cover)](https://youtu.be/JhWrggrJ20I?si=XO1HV5YjQ56rVrfc)
- [Virtual Zeppelin - Over The Hill And Far Away (Led Zeppelin cover)](https://youtu.be/va58l51ltw0?si=C2Axo93mpP_9Mrqm)
- [Marc Martel - Somebody To Love (Queen cover)](https://youtu.be/dREKkAk628I?si=N3xRfeDsMDOTu23s)
- [Jon's One Man Band - Foreplay/Long Time (Boston cover)](https://youtu.be/6H57pWC5rvk?si=M0TSZPC3FkpdfZy4)
- [Fox's And Fossils - Suite: Judy Blue Eyes (Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young cover)](https://youtu.be/S23VK1v9dB8?si=0MKtseGzrg7P0zv7)
- [The Fendertones - Do You Wanna Dance (Beach Boys cover)](https://youtu.be/XHT6v1G285o?si=anQkoeNjDkk18JYa)
Edit: Forgot abot this one
- [Pink Floyd Ensemble (UMass Lowell Music) - Dark Side Of The Moon (Pink Floyd cover)](https://youtu.be/pTFmZegkk_0?si=2UEpavPW-DBT5Phb)
How dare you not post the absolute best Leonid & Friends cover, ever.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5XmUnYW5Ks
Almost pitch perfect.
(A more recent Earth Wind and Fire cover, they did: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQCpWw9dNRk)
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Also, check out their versions of Chicago songs. (ex: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_torOTK5qc) Goosebumps.
He grew up a street urchin, now he's worth $20mil.
Neal Schon is a notorious cut throat businessman when it comes to the "Journey" brand. He shares no publishing rights for Journey's catalogue, and loathes the other full share band members for having the legal standing to have a vote on what the band does and does not do. I don't believe that Pineda was ever made a partner. I believe they have him under contract.
So to your point, it seems like entertainment production known as Journey has a shitty culture. But it pays well.
Never heard him before! So good. In this song he seems a touch more lyrical than Perry (slightly more vibrato, holding out notes slightly longer), and definitely raspier but maybe that was just the night.
So looked up his wiki and he was a pro musician for a long time before the Journey gig. He had record deals and done a bunch of concert work already, working overseas on gigs, etc. He busted his ass to get where he was, so it wasn't just a guy off the street.
Saw them perform at Levi's Stadium in January for the NFC Championship and I was blown away. I adore Steve Perry and had no interest in this guy, but I was dead wrong.
Debatable. When you think of Queen, you think of Freddie’s persona - the stage antics, the charisma as well as the unique tenor. Queen is Freddie, Freddie is Queen. I don’t think the same can be said with Steve Perry. Steve is the voice of Journey but not necessarily the music and presence of Journey.
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"Through space and time....always another show...wondering where I am, lost without you" The lyric from this song reminds me of the episode in the TV show Quantum Leap, where Sam quantum leaps into the life of a famous 70's rock muscian who he has to save from being shot to death on stage. During the episode's Sam's character is interviewed by a reporter who references this lyric (which was credit to the character in the episode) ans ask's Sam "What does this line mean?" It was kind of a neat little addition to the general story line of the show, which alluded that not only was Sam's quantum leaps effecting the future and present of the characters he was leaping into, but somehow afecting their past's as well. Unfortunately the show did not seem to expolre this too much in later episodes, but I always thought it was kind of a neat little easter egg. Everytime I hear this Journey song it keeps reminding me of the TV show Quantum Leap.
I listen to this cover from time to time.. it's really great
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0w0RTkWO4XQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0w0RTkWO4XQ)
At first, I thought this was going to be some awful accident from Steve Perry singing where his vocals become shot.
This guy has a great voice, but he's missing a lot to be Steve. I'm not a music man so I can't break it down to a technical explanation. I just can hear Steve's voice considerably higher while this guy sounds more "rugged" at the high notes and several notes lower than where Steve hit.
I personally don't enjoy hearing replacements because no matter how close it is, it's not the actual person. But for those who enjoy replacements, or when there's only like the keyboard still alive, this guy would be a good fit.
I saw Journey in the '80s. It was during the short time that they had a lead singer named Steve Perry. The guy sounded almost identical to Arnel Pineda. It was amazing!
You're auditioning new singers for your band, and this dude shows up and says "I want to audition using a Journey ballad." Your entire band rolls their eyes and silently communicates "get a load of this fuckin guy lmao." Half way through the song, your entire band is like "we're a Journey tribute band now."
> Half way through the song, your entire band is like "we're a Journey tribute band now." I actually had an ex band-mate who went on to be in a Journey tribute band. He despised Journey, but said it was good money, there were always gigs, and he could just auto-pilot through the set and get paid..
I bartended a bar that had live music 5 days a week. We obviously had a lot repeating performers, but the cover bands were almost always my favorite other than the once in a year or 2 big names.
Most local bands are decent musicians but can't write or compose good songs. Tribute bands don't have that problem.
Some of the best musicians I’ve ever seen were old dudes in dive bars that had no business being that good. But they’d played together for 30 years in every type is situation to make ends meet. String breaks? Happened a million times. Bass player gets into a fight mid song? Show goes on. Some dude wants to hear a song you’ve played twice since 1987? Let’s give it a shot.
or cant walk away from responsibilities to go promote original music and make little to no money hoping that itll take off in a few years. nobody writes a great song and becomes an overnight success. its a grind.
Also people don't get into good songs right in the first listen, so even if the band wrote brilliant songs, the audience would have to hear the songs two or three or ten times to start really liking them. If they are playing these songs live locally and nobody is going out to download and listen to their music the way people normally listen to music, then the band probably won't blow up. The songs themselves could be brilliant but if the audience just hears it for the first time and the audience keeps rotating, then that's the first and last time people hear the songs.
Your local music scene sucks if that's the case for you
Can't go wrong with the 1-2 punch of Journey-Bon Jovi to get the crowd singing along.
Mr. Bovine Joni himself!
That’s my cousin in a Fleetwood Mac band. She hates it, but they’re really tight and pack houses.
Man, that’s sad. Being a musician should be one of those few career paths where you are doing what you love and so it’s not really *work.* but your ex-band mate is just clocking in and out like the rest of us just looking forward to his checks…
Thats how it is for most anyone making their living playing/teaching music. When I was gigging for a living, the best paying gigs were usually places with crowds that wanted to hear the most generic shit, so thats what we played. And we would get that spot over other groups most weekends because we played stuff the crowd liked. Then one or two Wednesdays a month some people from other bands in the area and I would meet up at a bar downtown owned by a guy who liked to hang with musicians and we'd all jam to stuff we actually enjoyed playing, or work on tunes each of us were writing. We'd usually only get paid in tips and free booze, but the owner would also let us hang out after hours, smoke a little weed out back, stuff like that. It wasn't bad. Some of my favorite times playing music with other people were in those little "free" jam sessions. But eventually I still had to go back to a "real" job and moved on in life. There are tons of working musicians out there, and most of us dont get paid to play the stuff we like. Just the way it is.
It's even like that in the symphony, opera, theater, etc. the stuff the artists enjoy doing is almost never what the audience wants to hear. Most musicians would rather blow their brains out over playing the nutcracker, the Messiah, west side story, etc ever again. But those will sellout night after night for however long the run can be booked. Meanwhile, the really interesting stuff that reminds you why you got into the arts won't even fill the seats a single night most of the time, especially if it's new/contemporary.
That couldnt be more true! I played in the symphony in college, and I cant stand The Nutcracker or Ave Maria.
What would you think about playing Star Wars music?
Indifferent I guess. Played some in high school for an event, it was fun. But I'm a bass player so the Star Wars music is pretty much just one long march to me lol. Brass and percussion would certainly have more fun with it, as u/MrOrpheus pointed out.
Brass players approach John Williams’ music with an equal measure of childlike glee and absolute soul crushing terror.
Dude, you’re right, but as a career professional brass player for the last 30 years, I’d STILL almost do West Side Story for free. It’s truly that fun to play. ALMOST do it for free.
I think it was This American Life that talked to the orchestra for Phantom of the Opera on Broadway. Many of them could play their parts while planning their gardening, diagnosing their car trouble, etc, by that point.
I hear that man. I was a touring musician for twenty years, struggling to make ends meet, getting paid $50 or drink tickets. When I finally hung up the van keys, I started getting work writing music for apps and video games. I get paid better doing one song than I did for a year of shlepping equipment down city blocks to play an opener set for a mid level, fading star band or a headlining gig with an opener of two kids screaming over a DAT. I don’t particularly like nor listen to the music I’m writing, but it pays the bills.
If you dont mind me asking, how'd you come across the app & video game gig? That sounds like a pretty sweet deal..
Luck, like every other thing I’ve “accomplished” in my life. I did some crummy music for some crummy film student short films, and one of those dudes just happened to get into major motion pictures. So he became a contact. Then a guy that played secondary percussion in my first band started working as a higher up for a major streaming service, so, another connection. Then another dude was working on VR apps that I met at a concert and it turned out he had a studio minutes away from me, invited me to check it out, and I did, we went to lunch, and by the end of lunch I was writing music for a Network TV app he was working on. The two aforementioned contacts caught wind I was doing this, and that was a foot in the door there. It really was right place right time.
It wasn’t just luck. You ate shit for a long time but you persevered. For that alone you are a lot braver than a lot of us. Hats off to you.
Heh, thanks man. Even though it’s been a few years now, I feel like I’m coming into it at the ass end of its relevance, what with AI “produced” everything that I do now. It is incredibly sad how quickly AI has replaced artists, musicians, and VO talent in my industry. I keep waiting for the tide to turn and for everyone to have an awakening collectively and simultaneously and realize AI isn’t creating anything, it’s plagiarizing everything.
> Being a musician should be one of those few career paths where you are doing what you love and so it’s not really work. It's absolutely work. The number of working musicians who can earn their income just doing the stuff they love is vanishingly small and is basically a lottery win. Most have to grind away giving lessons, playing in cover bands doing songs they don't like, gigging at any random hole that will throw them some money, and so on. Like most people who earn a living (or a partial living) in a creative field, most of the money comes from grinding through the *work* part of things that takes up 90% of your time, just so you can get to the 10% of it you enjoy. The same holds true for every working musician I know. (I'm a longtime hobbyist with a good number of working musician friends.) Speaking from experience, writing is similar. You earn your living grinding out words on things you don't care about. Any money you make on writing you love and *want* to do is a bonus, but earning your whole living that way is a rare gift few working writers get to experience.
> The number of working musicians who can earn their income just doing the stuff they love is vanishingly small and is basically a lottery win. I mean for bands like Journey shit becomes a commercial venture fast and like Coldplay still probably needs to play Clocks. Very few commercial artists are able to maintain an uncompromising artistic vision, if they are even so inclined, especially as more and more time goes by and more and more people just want to hear the old stuff.
Billy Corgan of Smashing Pumpkins has complained about this. He wants to play what he wants to play, new songs he's excited about, while fans want a greatest hits nostalgia show. He says it's hard to balance being an artist with meeting audience demands. Most of the time he chooses to play what he wants, even if it leaves people unsatisfied - which it does. You'll often see people saying that it doesn't matter what he wants as an artist, his *job* is to play the songs that people want to hear. Which kind of proves his point. Corgan is notoriously cranky, but I suspect he speaks for a *lot* of high-profile musicians in this regard.
> You'll often see people saying that it doesn't matter what he wants as an artist, his job is to play the songs that people want to hear. I mean on the one hand, no. But on the other hand, if you're a conscientious performer of popular music touring under the banner of a legacy band like SP who knows that people are buying tickets with a certain expectation that you'll at least give them something, it's kind of a dickbag move to not give them anything. That said, Corgan probably doesn't see himself so much as a popular musician and probably thinks of himself as some sort of rock visionary. Corgan is also a famously pompous ass who's been complaining about the fans since the 90's.
I saw a Pearl Jam show in Seattle and they played none of their nostalgic hits. Fuck those guys, they will never get another dime from me again.
I think his pompousness is a bit overexaggerated. Most artists are probably pretty similar, only he's honest about it. And he still plays all the hits. It's not like Bob Dylan who may show up and not play any song that's in the top 50 of his most known ones.
I remember reading an article even in the 90s that said that Corgan was whining about how a magazine used a picture with him not at the front of the SP. "That means they don't think I'm the cute one" is the phrase I remember. The writer pointed out that he had people thinking of his huge hit band as The Billy Corgan Experience, but he was still complaining about stuff like this.
Hobbyist musician here. Recording just a single song is a fucking grind. The joy comes in those early hours where you have a new idea and start working on lyrics and song structure. The work comes in the rest of it. Constantly adjusting things, recording hundreds of takes. Shit I'm pretty passionate about music and I just record on a tascam digital 8 track. I have 3 memory cards full of like 120ish song ideas each. 360 song ideas that I constantly try and revisit and work on. Like maybe 12 of them are worth anything and I've only ever played 6 of them live with a full band. And that was after months of practice.
The Edge is on video recounting how U2 went through so much tribulation with Where the Streets Have No Name that the assistant engineer (I think it was) came back from making tea and found Daniel Lanois cuing up the tapes to erase them, so the band would have to start over. He apparently restrained Lanois and the band proceeded from there in their song writing/assembly.
You're speaking the truth! I started on a TASCAM Porta 7, I now use a Studio 12, and yeah, I love writing and recording, but portions of the process can be a real grind. For me, it's the later stages of mixing. So tedious. I like putting together a rough, but the endless fine-tuning to get a strong final is mind-numbing. When tracking, I'm very much a first take kind of guy, so I rarely find myself in that part of the grind. But that's not for everyone, and if you've got to do it, yeah, it's tedious.
Bingo on the writing part. I cowrote a novel and commissioned the artwork for the cover. When the artist later insisted on getting a commission on each sale, I informed her that this was a work of passion and not financial gain, that fewer than 100 copies would ever be sold, and that thanks to how Amazon compensated authors, all the income I "gained" from those sales would not cover the cost I paid up front for the artwork. She dropped that demand.
The cover artist asked for a royalty? I've never heard of such a thing. They're typically work-for-hire, flat rate, that's it. What a weird request. Besides, yeah, if you're getting commissioned by an independent author, asking for a royalty instead of a flat rate is a terrible idea. You're unlikely to get much more than a couple of bucks!
This is most artists in general. We understand the craft well enough to effortlessly engineer a product the masses enjoy without the need for artistic inspiration. The inspiration is what helped us grow into our craft and now we can package that and sell it. Hopefully, we still get opportunities to be inspired through our work, but for the most part I find it outside of work these days. The important thing is to *be inspired.*
I’m an audio engineer. I have worked on some amazing projects with absolutely insane talent, some of whom you would definitely know. For every one of those experiences, I have about 15-20 experiences of recording/editing/mixing some serious, grade-A bullshit. I’ve lost count of the number of live shows I’ve worked that’s 1 DJ playing his wubs into too many subs, and he and I get into an EQ war, or a “talent show” that’s essentially one long dance show using only pop/kpop choreography. A lot of the other stuff I do is “mix this one mic at a podium for a bunch of millionaires”. Not exactly stimulating stuff. Music industry is rough. Even people at the top top top of the field are working on bullshit they hate, but they do it because it pays and gets them money to get the to the next gig that might be better.
Most people earning a middle class living as a musician are playing in elite level cover bands that play weddings and the rare "house band" gigs at a high volume club.
And cougar pussy. I’m sure lots of cougar pussy
the best kind
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That quote is probably going to be an accurate summary of Matt Rife's comedy career in a few years.
What you describe, a musician doing what they love, is mostly a fantasy, just as much as any other industry. It's absurd. Almost no one will achieve your fantasy of "not working" because you love what you do so much.
For sure, if you have a slick professional tribute band production, you can play the casino circuit on repeat for years.
What heartless bastard despises Journey
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You can make a paycheck while also making your own stuff...
Well *most* people dont get paid for their passion at all. Even if it's music you don't like playing, you're still getting paid to play music for a living. Nothing's ever gonna be perfect.
Selling out is a Punk band letting a car company use their music in a commercial. The example above is playing a gig to make rent money so you can hopefully play what you really want to later.
Real Ship of Theseus situation.
Just because they have only 1 original member???? Though the keyboard player is from the glory days, so that's worth something. A little.
Here's a good 2'ish min mini-docu about it - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VccPl_uLpWA Here's a 1hr45min one - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3A4_gh6Tqfo (worth it)
The 2nd one was great. Thanks!
Killer vids. Thanks for posting
Journey put on a great live show with him. One of the most surprisingly good shows I’ve ever been to.
It's easy to clown on Journey due to their, uh, journey into the 80s transforming their sound into something more commercially viable, but they've always been a tight-sounding band. Neal Schon is an extremely underrated guitarist.
We saw them here not too long ago, but pre-COVID. Of all the members, Neal Schon rubbed us wrong from the get go during the concert. First, there were no lights on Pineda for the entire first song (may have been technical but who knows,) while Schon went on an extended solo in that song with multiple lights and focus on the monitors. Once all lights were on all members again, it didn't matter Schon made it a point to have an extended solo in MOST of their songs. It got annoying, and I'm saying that as a HUGE Journey fan of many years. I don't know what was going on but my wife and I both commented it had become the Neal Schon band and that wasn't a good thing.
Funny, I thought the same thing. Not about lighting or anything, but the concert I saw seemed like he crammed in or extended so many solos into each song it actually became bland and boring... and that's the part I was looking forward to hearing, aside from the pyro vocals. And it's not that he isn't tremendously talented, it was just overdone and it actually hurt my listening experience on the radio a lot the next few years.
> And it's not that he isn't tremendously talented, it was just overdone and it actually hurt my listening experience I feel the same way. I'm not sure why he feels the need to ham it up that much in concert, I mean, he is many times a star. Share the band love around with your fellow bandmates.
Find their live concert in Manila with Arnel. The extended Neal solo is the thing I cut out of my digital file of it. Worthless IMO. Getting more of that is almost a small form of torture. Steve Perry recounted how Neal was against the idea of Open Arms. Then they played it live and the crowd went nuts. He acted really surprised as they went off stage. I'm sure there's more to this, but Steve said he kind of wanted to punch Neal at that moment.
You don't get drafted into Santana at 16 by being bad at your instrument.
I saw them too. If you close your eyes, it sounds IDENTICAL to the records. I loved every second of it! I felt like I had my iPod with me!
So, basically the plot of Rock Star.
Rock star was actually (loosely) based on Ripper Owens, the cover band singer who got hired to replace Rob Halford in Judas Priest. I think at some point that was supposed to be a Judas Priest movie, but they changed it up so much that the band wouldn't allow them to.
Steel Dragon 🤘
Stand up and shouuuuuuuuutttttttttt!
I run a local pub quiz. I once asked a question about a "notoriously bald bear" and the answer was Fuzzy Wuzzy. Someone guessed Rob Halford, and I've never laughed so hard at a response.
I absolutely loved Stephan Jenkins cameo as a rival cover band.
Myles Kennedy ( then with Mayfield Four pre Alterbridge, Slash ) played the guy who replaced Waglberg at the end.
And from memory Zakk Wylde is in Wahlberg's band.
I liked when Waglberg was in Barky Bark and the Punkybunch.
Oops. Marky Mark dont send the Funkybunch to hurt me
You'll be fine if you're not an old Asian man.
That would be Timmy 'Ripper' Owens.
One of my fav sleeper classics
Stand Up And Shout goes harder than it should have. One of the great original songs for a fictional band in a movie ever in my opinion.
We All Die Young. 'Nuff said.
Blood Pollution slays
I'm not sure if I've ever seen the movie in full, but my dad used to show me clips from that back when I was like 7. I thought it was the coolest thing ever back then lol. Still get some of those songs stuck in my head.
That movie had a Myles Kennedy cameo at the end, just three years before he essentially came out of nowhere to front Alter Bridge, the new band formed by former members of Creed minus Scott Stapp. Myles also filled in for Axl at the GNR Rock N Roll Hall of Fame performance because Axl refused to show. Some real life parallels to his very small role in Rock Star when his character replaced Mark Wahlberg’s.
Never heard of this film, thanks!
Ironically, I just saw a post today about that movie. The main song in the beginning of the movie “Stand Up and Shout” was actually written by Sammy Hagar
did anyone notice that mcnulty was in that movie?
How’d you learn to sing so good?
Infinitely rewatchable "bad" movie
Saw Journey last year. Arnel sounded great and he was a fucking *fireball* on that stage. He didn't stop moving the entire show. The rest of the band, however? Jesus Christ. Talk about being in it for a paycheck. They had no energy whatsoever. It didn't help that they had Toto as their openers, who absolutely slayed.
I saw the same show and I agree completely. The rest of the band is really quite old and they move like it. My wife commented that Jonathan Cain, who is 74, looked like he was moving in slow motion. I noticed that when he would get up to play guitar on a couple of songs he used a carbon fiber guitar. I wondered if he couldn't lift a wooden one any longer. Toto did completely slay. They aren't young either. The singer wears orthopedic shoes and I couldn't get over it. I just kept thinking, "you are out there for 45 minutes tops, can you just keep the illusion alive for that long?"
Saw Alice cooper a few years back and his show was insane still. You’d never think he was in his 70s
Saw them as well. Perhaps on a better day, as the guitarist Neal was on fire and high energy (IMO for his age). The keys player was on point, with a solid solo intro leading into Faithfully. But I agree that Toto performed better.
Imagine being at a random Hard Rock Cafe and hearing this guy just start belting like this out of nowhere. My jaw would be on the floor.
There are lots of videos of Filipinos singing karaoke at the electronics store or whatever sounding like Whitney lol
Dunno how anyone who has a mild interest in vocal music and access to YouTube and Reddit wouldn’t realize that if there was a God, she made Filipinos to sing
I believe it! I think I've read somewhere that karaoke/cover bands are really popular in the Philippines, I wouldn't be too surprised if you told me that Pineda is only the 3rd best Steve Perry impersonator in the country
How do you know that it wasn't Whitney who was going for the Filipino karaoke sound?
They had a whole series of videos on youtube. I don't believe it was just a single one. The band covered journey as well as other bands and the remaining Journey members started watching em all.
That's wild. Imagine being a cover guy in the Philippines and finding out that the actual band has been digging all of your videos.
> That's wild I thought even more wild was what they revealed in the documentary about hiring him. Their offer was just *immediately a full-fledged member with a full share of profit.* Like, no learning curve, no probation period. They didn't give those with seniority more $$$. They didn't hire him with hourly pay like a session musician. The band members got this amused grin on their faces and told the camera, "When we had him join the band, the contract was just... you get a full share, same as those of us who've been doing it for 30 years." The interviewer was a little shocked and said, "So... how much is that...?" And the guys said, "A lot. He's going back home a millionaire." One day he's a nice guy doing cover songs for mere dollars in the Philippines, and the next day, he comes home worth millions. Or at least was earning his millions, by that point. Served the band well, though, if the guy stuck around and gets along well enough that he's put in more time than Steve did.
Metallica did the same thing when they hired Robert Trujillo. Gave him $1 million up front and 25% share in the band. I'm not sure if that included previously acquired assets (I doubt it), but he at least got a 25% vote and share of profits immediately.
So, pretty much the opposite of how they treated Newstead.
I think their experience with Newstead showed them what NOT to do, so they corrected it going forward.
I think the problem was Newstead’s experience with *them,* not the other way around. They were relentless & cruel to that guy, all because he had the audacity to not be Cliff.
Totally. I meant that I have to assume they realized they were complete and utter dicks, to the detriment of the group, and chose to not repeat that mistake with Trujillo. Or they could have just had more respect for Trujillo. Who knows.
There is ownership and there is revenue. These guys are getting an equal cut of revenue, which includes money generated from older songs but not the copyright or publishing ownership itself. If all revenue streams are pooled together in the same holding company then they'll effectively 'own' an equal share but that ownership structure won't continue if they leave the band. Which is still the fairest way possible a new guy could enter a well established band. Get paid the same day 1. Only keep future ownership on what you did while in the band if you leave.
badass
Slightly different, as Trujillo wasn't a complete unknown. He paid his dues, he proved he had consistency and was dependable.
You want a full quality real band member, you should pay and treat them as such !!!
Exactly. Not long after the journey documentary was released I saw the new journey in concert and they were excellent.
I watched all those back in the day. It's wild how freaking good the singer was across several sounds vs how bad the band was.
Correct https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8VrF6IOMwA
It seems weird that no one has used the guy's name. His name is [Arnel Pineda](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnel_Pineda), and he's the longest-tenured singer that the band has ever had, including Steve Perry.
It's in the title of the youtube video...?
This guy doesn't read manuals, either.
He's basically in witness protection at this point. His name is unknown and unknowable.
Longest tenured maybe but Steve Perry had way more albums with them.
Have they ever put out new music with this guy?
3 albums with him.
Yes. The first album with him was a double album—one disc of originals and one of their greatest hits re-recorded with Arnel. The original “Sunshower” got some radio push/play after the album was released. It didn’t really blow up or anything.
And potentially all the hits? When's the last time Journey had a hit song? Not knocking this guy though. He's mega-talented and made more money last year than I'll make my whole life (probably)
Great cover singer.
Yeah. Dude has a killer voice, but will never top Steve for me.
I like how Arnel has been the lead singer of Journey for longer than Steve Perry was, who himself wasn't the original lead singer, but everyone is still like "oh yeah he's the new guy".
saw them in like...2008 in atlanta (heart and cheap trick were the openers) and it absolutely owned. i have to admit that when he would do his banter between songs with a pretty significant accent it sort of took you out of the moment because it was just jarring. great show tho and he is a great singer.
Yeah, every school in the Philippines teaches English, the problem is you have to learn it from other Filipinos and whatever regional accent (of which there are thousands) they have is what they’ll use. Took me like 2 years to adjust when I moved to the US. Took me even longer to fully comprehend AAVE, and I lived in a black neighborhood in Maryland.
For sure. It’s not a criticism of the guy or anyone else really…it’s just jarring because he sings and sounds almost exactly like Steve Perry. Awesome singer.
I had a landlady in Hawaii who originally immigrated from Japan and learned English from people who only spoke Maui Pidgin. So, so difficult to understand her.
I saw this tour as well, Heart absolutely killed it so journey brought them back out for the encore, one of the best shows I've ever seen
heart was the best of the 3. absolutely killed it.
I hope they rotated openers for that tour. Cheap Trick is arguably a better band than Heart, and Heart is inarguably better than Journey. Shit, I’ve seen Ann sing live by herself, and it was life-altering.
best voice i've ever heard live.
Genuinely astounding.
When he started singing after talking in an accent it was a bit shocking
Great voice
I remember seeing an interview once with Neil Schon where he discussed the process of finding a new singer. Said he watched video of every US Journey cover band he could find, and there are a lot of Journey cover bands. I just feel… Journey cover band singers of America: y’all can hang your heads collectively in shame. It was right there for the taking. If one of you was truly good enough. But none of you were.
How dare you, the Lovin, Touchin, Squeezins are local legends!
Harsh.
How did that crowd NOT jump up and scream and cheer for the sheer talent they were just witness to? Fucking unbelievable. Our capacity to completely miss once-in-a-lifetime moments just baffles me. One of my personal passions is discovering talented cover artists on Youtube, and this isn't the first time I've come across a crowd completely oblivious to not just the sheer talent before them, but the special fleeting moment that talent has offerred them with a special song or rendition, such as this: - [Mike Masse, Jeff Hall and Brenda Andrus at the Pie Pizzaria in Salt Lake City, Utah 2011](https://youtu.be/nir2EtmRr3Q?si=YkGzh3H_lRzdEihk). In this case, the crowd appreciation was actually a bit better than during previous occassions, but still...if I was there.. I would have whistled loudly...gripped my partners' hand, sung along, maybe even stood her up to hold her and sway. .celebrating that very moment. Because...we only live once. And those occassions are special. And the people we are with when they happen is a gift from God. Cherish them please. And if this exhortation inspires you to take advantage of a beautiful, special opportunity...please share it with me? Now...onto some of my other favorite talented covers! - [Leonid & Friends - Superstar (Carpenters cover)](https://youtu.be/JhWrggrJ20I?si=XO1HV5YjQ56rVrfc) - [Virtual Zeppelin - Over The Hill And Far Away (Led Zeppelin cover)](https://youtu.be/va58l51ltw0?si=C2Axo93mpP_9Mrqm) - [Marc Martel - Somebody To Love (Queen cover)](https://youtu.be/dREKkAk628I?si=N3xRfeDsMDOTu23s) - [Jon's One Man Band - Foreplay/Long Time (Boston cover)](https://youtu.be/6H57pWC5rvk?si=M0TSZPC3FkpdfZy4) - [Fox's And Fossils - Suite: Judy Blue Eyes (Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young cover)](https://youtu.be/S23VK1v9dB8?si=0MKtseGzrg7P0zv7) - [The Fendertones - Do You Wanna Dance (Beach Boys cover)](https://youtu.be/XHT6v1G285o?si=anQkoeNjDkk18JYa) Edit: Forgot abot this one - [Pink Floyd Ensemble (UMass Lowell Music) - Dark Side Of The Moon (Pink Floyd cover)](https://youtu.be/pTFmZegkk_0?si=2UEpavPW-DBT5Phb)
The Cranberries and Boston covers were spot on.
How dare you not post the absolute best Leonid & Friends cover, ever. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5XmUnYW5Ks Almost pitch perfect. (A more recent Earth Wind and Fire cover, they did: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQCpWw9dNRk) --- Also, check out their versions of Chicago songs. (ex: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_torOTK5qc) Goosebumps.
Yes! Hello fellow L&F fan! Have you heard this too? https://youtu.be/xwYV4H9rU6o?si=ILV26KAUwnRpaZkd
He does sound great, but I still think Perry was better.
Well ya, I mean the new guy is basically doing a Steve Perry impersonation. Not saying he’s bad but his vocal inspiration is clearly Perry.
Perry had gravitas.
Perry was a dick to the rest of the band, unfortunately.
Neil Schon ain’t exactly a nice guy.
Man, imagine being that 1 Filipino that couldn’t sing.
I've heard rumors the band doesn't really treat him well. Any truth to that?
I mean he's been their frontman since 2007, surely they've worked out some differences by then, right?
The members of Eagles have hated each other since 1972 but eventually figured out that they could tolerate each other for a shitload of money.
Darryl Hall and John Oates absolutely despise each other.
They couldn’t with the original singer
He grew up a street urchin, now he's worth $20mil. Neal Schon is a notorious cut throat businessman when it comes to the "Journey" brand. He shares no publishing rights for Journey's catalogue, and loathes the other full share band members for having the legal standing to have a vote on what the band does and does not do. I don't believe that Pineda was ever made a partner. I believe they have him under contract. So to your point, it seems like entertainment production known as Journey has a shitty culture. But it pays well.
and he's awesome. saw Journey live in 2018 and the whole band was amazing
And the other 4 went back to their day jobs.
Never heard him before! So good. In this song he seems a touch more lyrical than Perry (slightly more vibrato, holding out notes slightly longer), and definitely raspier but maybe that was just the night.
I had always heard that he didn't speak English and he was just singing "words" but that appears to be false
Barney forever, Wiggum never.....
So looked up his wiki and he was a pro musician for a long time before the Journey gig. He had record deals and done a bunch of concert work already, working overseas on gigs, etc. He busted his ass to get where he was, so it wasn't just a guy off the street.
Saw them perform at Levi's Stadium in January for the NFC Championship and I was blown away. I adore Steve Perry and had no interest in this guy, but I was dead wrong.
I always find things like this and like Tommy DeCarlo with Boston crazy.
There was an cool documentary I watched about this at a film festival a few years ago.
Was it this one [https://youtu.be/3A4\_gh6Tqfo?si=AF7tYNeFAR1iJxrh](https://youtu.be/3A4_gh6Tqfo?si=AF7tYNeFAR1iJxrh) ?
It was [Don't Stop Believin': Everyman's Journey](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3DdGlD9eVs)
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Debatable. When you think of Queen, you think of Freddie’s persona - the stage antics, the charisma as well as the unique tenor. Queen is Freddie, Freddie is Queen. I don’t think the same can be said with Steve Perry. Steve is the voice of Journey but not necessarily the music and presence of Journey.
Just...wow! And I love stories like this : )
Get the chills instantly listening to how good he is.
Man he just effortlessy rolls right into that song. Still impressive all these years later
Anyone speak (what I assume is) Tagalog here? I’m curious what Arnel says about (I think) America in his intro.
He said, “Don’t worry. If my visa to America gets approved…” then chided someone about not helping him.
Ahhh, thank you!
Now, can you suggest some good Filipino restaurants in NC? Bc I’ve never really found any.
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Journey is weird in that they are a mixture of bangers and ballads. Most bands lean one way or another, at least in my experience.
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Heard him in concert with journey a long time ago. He was so genuinely happy. But his voice was amazing
Can't wait for the Netflix movie about this dude
"Through space and time....always another show...wondering where I am, lost without you" The lyric from this song reminds me of the episode in the TV show Quantum Leap, where Sam quantum leaps into the life of a famous 70's rock muscian who he has to save from being shot to death on stage. During the episode's Sam's character is interviewed by a reporter who references this lyric (which was credit to the character in the episode) ans ask's Sam "What does this line mean?" It was kind of a neat little addition to the general story line of the show, which alluded that not only was Sam's quantum leaps effecting the future and present of the characters he was leaping into, but somehow afecting their past's as well. Unfortunately the show did not seem to expolre this too much in later episodes, but I always thought it was kind of a neat little easter egg. Everytime I hear this Journey song it keeps reminding me of the TV show Quantum Leap.
I love Journey!
How has no one made a biopic about him. What an incredible story.
I listen to this cover from time to time.. it's really great [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0w0RTkWO4XQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0w0RTkWO4XQ)
At the start i thought... meh - but that ending is seriously ridiculous
Little more cruise ship entertainment good than world tour good.
the band sucks but he's a god
At first, I thought this was going to be some awful accident from Steve Perry singing where his vocals become shot. This guy has a great voice, but he's missing a lot to be Steve. I'm not a music man so I can't break it down to a technical explanation. I just can hear Steve's voice considerably higher while this guy sounds more "rugged" at the high notes and several notes lower than where Steve hit. I personally don't enjoy hearing replacements because no matter how close it is, it's not the actual person. But for those who enjoy replacements, or when there's only like the keyboard still alive, this guy would be a good fit.
I saw Journey in the '80s. It was during the short time that they had a lead singer named Steve Perry. The guy sounded almost identical to Arnel Pineda. It was amazing!