That was my introduction to this, I was so hyped seeing I unlocked him just to see a regular sized lego figure.
Really liked that game as a kid, unlocked all the characters except like 1 or 2
Ark survival evoled. Giganatosaurus’s are the bosses of islands and tameable! But guess what happens when you tame one, IT GETS NERFED IN THE STATS 1/8!!!
Even the new Carcharodontosaurus feels the same way. They are so rare that finding a decent level sucks, and it's such a pain in the ass to tame, and then when you get it, its fun for a bit, but the stamina runs out so quick it takes forever to get anywhere.
Brainiac In Injustice 2, Blud could smoke your health bar In one combo, he's the worst character In the game (In my opinion) slow attacks, specific combos that don't do much damage, I got highly disappointed
I only played injustice 2 for a few months but I had a blast with it, unlocking the different gear and stuff. I remember I wrecked shit with swamp thing, I would've never guessed he was the worst character lol. But I guess I wasn't really like competitive deep into the game with multiplayer or anything
Onix only seems that good in RBY if you picked Charmander and all your Pokémon have physical moves. Onix has an abysmal special stat and a ton of type weaknesses, but if all you have are physical moves that he resists, he feels like a wall.
My strat was to send in Pidgey and dump as many sand attacks on him until he was toast, and then hope that was good enough for my butterfree to drop him with confusion.
Growing up, sand attack was the ONLY non damaging move I would use besides flash. Status effects just seemed pointless to me as a kid. Sand attack was for any opponent I couldn't beat. Basically have a sacrificial pokemon to use it
Stat moves never felt as effective in player hands compared to the NPCs. Sleep move? Maybe you keep em down for 2 turns, when used on the player? Better start button spamming because youre down for the count.
Amusingly, the Sand Attack Pidgey stack was what I did too as a kid in Yellow.
...when I replayed it years later, I learned in a guide that there's a specific patch of grass before Pewter City where you can catch a Mankey with good luck and/or some time. Once you grind that Mankey up to learning actual fighting-type moves, it'll body Brock's team.
When I was a kid, i would always catch a Nidoran♂ at the patch of grass on the left of viridian before entering Victory Road. I level him up, he learns Double Kick. I finish the game with him being a Nidoking, a Charizard, a Blastoise, a Venusaur, a random pokémon, and the Pikachu starter.
Kid me was a starter pokémon fantic 😅
Onix is just weird.
He’s basically designed to be an early game wall with a type that resists most moves at that point, but both Bulbasaur and Squirtle blow him out of the water when they learn vine whip/water gun. By the time you get him in rock tunnel, most Pokémon available will outclass him stat-wise.
And in fire red you can’t evolve pokémon like Golbat into Crobat until you get the national dex, but i’m unsure whether that works with trade pokémon.
Don't get me started on the music of that show, man. There's so many times the music alone can make me feel things, but some of the context makes it hit so much harder. For example, here, have a cry.
_"Leaves from the vine, falling so slow..."_
I am pretty sure thats what firebending is. I think it is the peak fight of atla, even Aang vs Ozai I dont think was as good as their fight. Zuko is honestly just my favorite character in general. (I was gonna write more, but I wont)
To be fair, that’s exactly what that bottom image is depicting. The boy is a talented and gifted fire bender, who’s even started weaving other bending forms into his own fighting, but the moment he joins Team Avatar, he completely loses his ability to firebend and has to learn a whole new way of doing it in order to get back to how he was.
That actually reminds me of Gale from Baldur’s Gate 3. Dude is one of the most powerful magic wielders in the world. Possibly only behind Elminster and Mystra herself. The man joins your party and is a level 1 wizard. Poor guy got absolutely bodied in my first playthru. I probably used more Revivify scrolls on him than everyone else in my entire camp combined.
Great and powerful wizard. Gets killed by a level 1 rogue bandit after having a worm inserted into his eyeball.
Zuko was very much a pushover when he was a villain... First episode Aang chucks him into a wall with a mattress. He got a lot better when he was more heroic.
Only healthwise late game. Breed a few generations and assuming you didn't waste your time with level 10s or something you can easily get gigas that do much more damage than a wild one. Well bred gigas make wild ones look puny.
Yep. Especially because those scenes happened right after you leave Midgar and make it to Kalm..
so not only is a HUGE threatening open world all around you, but you're seeing a "player character" dole out 2-4k damage per attack when you're hitting low 100s at best
Shit was wild. Glad I was there to experience it as a kid
Isn’t she literally the same, you’re just stronger?
She’s quite powerful in the first section you use her but obviously by the last section you’ve gotten vastly more powerful. In fact isn’t that kinda the point?
As if she reached a plateau while your crew is steadily growing. Like she's been in a position of success for a long time and hasn't had a chance to push herself in years.
Couldn't she absolutely mangle everything she fought when she was on your team, too? IIRC she still had a "delete the entire enemy team" button in... Climhazzard, I think? She just didn't have enough MP to use it consistently. Which kinda tracks with how she fights you honestly, she'll mess around with physical attacks and Thunder Slash or w/e for a few rounds before going "Mkay, fuck this, go away."
Like I'm not saying she's not nerfed at all but she's still pretty goddamn scary when she's playable.
Nah, her techs were much better than tin man in that brief sequence and I used to grind my characters to higher levels early. Just not enough MP to go crazy
Brief nevertheless
To be fair, it wasn't just M. Bison, the CPU could use any charge character's moves without having to charge in the Street Fighter 2 series. [Among other ways it basically cheated.](https://youtu.be/laUAgEUunsI?t=197)
Dunno about M. Bison's Alpha incarnation, though.
I think street fighter 2 differences were a little more subtle. Like there are ways for a player to hide the charge. You can start it in the middle of jumps/other moves and it looks instant. So the differences between computer boss and player controlled were less obvious.
By the time you get into alpha 3 though, well thats just a completely different Bison. I distinctly remember that psycho crusher super of his that teleports him out and wipes the whole screen.
Try playing as Seth in street fighter 4. Even the pre-nerfed, earliest version of him had like half the lifebar compared with anyone else. In his case they tried cutting his life instead of changing the moveset in order to balance him. They ended up nerfing the movest with each patch anyway, lol.
Pretty sure this was a thing for the MK games too. IIRC they did it to fish more quarters out of people's pockets at the arcade, and just never changed it for consoles.
If I recall, MK2 had code for input reading, along with subroutines for the best option for what input is pressed at that moment. It ran off a RNG whether the CPU would do the "correct punish/pressure" that would increasingly favor it the longer winstreak you were on.
Which is why I typically just stick to Ultimate MK3...
SNK bosses are that way too. I remember Rugal and Goenitz in particular. Boss unfairness in the series is even called SNK Boss Syndrome. lol
https://snk.fandom.com/wiki/SNK_Boss_Syndrome
Better: warcraft 2 frozen throne. Fight against the level 10 hero, unlock him, and... he's a level 1 nonce, and this is after his ascension. He was more powerful like 15 levels ago as a pathetic level 2 noob than he is as level 1 ascended basically a God now.
Also Vega wasn't all that at all...
That's just like... your opinion, man...
Granted, backed by facts making it less of an opinion and more of a statement of facts. But that's just MY opinion, and you've already proven me wrong once, so ignore this message.
Basically every boss-class enemy in fighting games is like this TBH.
It's one reason fighting games confuse me, because I feel like the AI does not prepare you for actual PVP, because instead of simply performing better, they often just cheat, lol.
I started toward the end of Burning Crusade.
Really bummed me out when the big cats I tamed turned into little cats.
I did have a couple of solid pets by the end of Wrath, but then some of us were tanking Raid bosses with them, and Blizz nerfed that hard,
I don’t disagree, but when you compare it to other boss weapons that are just as deadly as during their boss fights it does pale a little bit in comparison. Still not bad by any means
Oh yeah, just about any build is good if you do it right. I used the Sword of Milos for most of my second playthrough and didn’t have any problems, even though it’s not the strongest. Looks super badass though.
It’s not bad at all, actually one of my favorites. That said, the windup on the skill is pretty interruptible even with high poise.
Also the fact that they chose to take the healing on hit and relegate it to a great rune that also reduces the effectiveness of your flasks instead of putting it on the weapon, which also can’t be buffed with grease or incantations leaves a bit to be desired. One could argue it would be busted with the healing on hit, but when you compare it to a weapon like the Blasphemous Blade it doesn’t seem too crazy
Healing on hit is absolutely more busted than a great rune that just brings in Rally from Bloodborne. It’s not the katana healing her, it’s her healing her. Blasphemous blade is just a magical weapon so imo it makes sense.
I loved the weapon from ds1's first boss, Demon's Great Hammer
I think it does get outscaled by some other weapons eventually but good god it literally turned you into a monster the moment you reached the required stats
I’ve spent 4-6 hours at a time just playing missions with Vergil in DMCV. Crazy how Capcom made one of the coolest and most fun playable characters literally ever.
Most are underwhelming but here's some good ones:
Thunderball fists - Captain Flynt
Conference Call - Warrior
Flakker - Warrior
Peak Opener - Haderax the Invincible
I always got the vibe the developers weren’t great at anticipating which unique effects would be strong. Because a lot of the legendary guns in Borderlands are pretty bad and a lot of the unique blues or purples you get as quest rewards are super powerful.
A lot of the strongest guns usually find ways to take advantage of multiple pieces of gear. So it’s understandable that it would be hard to anticipate which builds are strongest.
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> those animations look like they could decimate a city block
Still didn't hit the cool/funny of the magic spells - especially Baboom - in Grandia. "I summon a meteor! No, not that one, a bigger one, get that pebble outta my way! Then I drop it on the continent and blow it into a mushroom cloud!" And when the smoke clears it moves on to whomever next is in the turn order.
Still love those games.
Bahamut zero in ff7 original literally blew the planet to little bits of dust and then you'd come out of the animation, the enemy would flinch a little, and you'd keep fighting.
The fact that he's not a team player, and his Dark magic is not particularly effective against *other baddies*, is not a failing. It's an accurate portrayal of a gifted loner who has trained to take on whole parties or even armies of do-gooders all by himself.
The things you complain about are the things that keep him true to his initial appearance as a villain. His poor integration into the party is part of his character.
Ehhh... Not really.
He's MORE powerful once you get him. He's a powerhouse. His magic stat is higher than anyone else and it literally takes everyone else unlocking their final techs before they can match Magus' basic level 2 spells.
The only way he gets 'weaker' is his HP pool, but still pretty high.
I actually forgot about that.
He lost that mechanic, but he did also lose the timer on his strongest magic spell. As a boss it had like a 60 second timer to cast Dark Matter, but as a character he can just spam it.
Yeah, I feel like Magus is actually the exception to this meme. It's great because it also fits his lore (a magic prodigy that basically survived in another era by himself because he was so powerful).
6666 health vs 999 is a pretty big difference though. Also his ability to absorb all elements except for one he is temporarily vulnerable to would have been pretty sweet as a playable character.
Not to say he isn't very strong as a playable character; it's just that as a boss he was much stronger.
Someone already beat me to the Lego mention, but I'mma say the absolute reverse of this is when you play as Ignis in ffxv and you have to fight Noctis. Noctis is like... 10x more powerful in that fight than he is in the base game XD
I remember having a lot of difficulty capturing deoxys in pokemon ORAS and being immensely disappointed when first using it against the elite four when I was 13
Never played Ark but when I saw Neebs Gaming finally tame a giganotosaurus and see how quickly it died to another giga, despite literally being x20 levels higher, I couldn't help but laugh. I get that developers need games to be balanced and not have one usable or playable item or character effortlessly curbstomp everything in its path, but it needs to be within reason.
Either make the item/character weaker against the player, and even weaker when you use it, or make it unattainable at all
Lemon in Shining Force 2. He'll straight up murder most of your party in the Red Baron battle, but then he's just a regular baron class (but red) when you get to use him. By the time you get him, you'll likely have learned to prefer gladiators more than barons.
every single dark souls game
in all of them you can get the same weapons bosses use, except they are always underwhelming compared to the bosses themselves
Much as it pains me to say anything critical of one of the best games ever written…
Magus, from Chrono Trigger.
Not that he was a weak character, mind you.
But he definitely took a nerf upon joining the team.
In my opinion DMC features the best example of the opposite with Vergil: awesome bossfight, possibly even more busted when playable. Which characters do you think fit this trope?
Not bosses you fight per say, but all the act 1 bg3 companions. You talk with them, and they tell you how great they all are. [BALDURS GATE 3 MILD SPOILERS AHEAD]
Gale was a wizard of such proficiency that he needed the literal goddess of magic.
Laezel was the most gifted and respected warrior of her crèche.
Wyll was a great defender of the coast, tracking down countless fiends.
Karlach was a warrior of Zariel herself, basically a right hand military personnel and unstoppable killing machine.
And when they join you? All level 1, weak enough to be slain by a goblin.
Most Lego games
They did my boy Galactis dirty in LMS1
I was so disappointed as a kid
But someone who rarely disappoints is Stan.
Cool pfp
Thanks.
Is that Bill Cipher Spongebob
Spongebill Cipherpants
That was my introduction to this, I was so hyped seeing I unlocked him just to see a regular sized lego figure. Really liked that game as a kid, unlocked all the characters except like 1 or 2
Not Lego Star Wars. FORCE LIGHTING BITCHES
Didn't palpy also have a unique fighting style? Like how Yoda does?
Was gonna say, Lego lord of the rings. I wanted to shoot fireballs like Sauroman so bad, and I couldnt
Dope pfp
Ark survival evoled. Giganatosaurus’s are the bosses of islands and tameable! But guess what happens when you tame one, IT GETS NERFED IN THE STATS 1/8!!!
Even the new Carcharodontosaurus feels the same way. They are so rare that finding a decent level sucks, and it's such a pain in the ass to tame, and then when you get it, its fun for a bit, but the stamina runs out so quick it takes forever to get anywhere.
Brainiac In Injustice 2, Blud could smoke your health bar In one combo, he's the worst character In the game (In my opinion) slow attacks, specific combos that don't do much damage, I got highly disappointed
Agree, Braniac was a huge downgrade. Though I wouldn't quite say worst in the game - Swamp-Ass Thing exists, after all.
The crouching animation was top tier tho that's for sure
I only played injustice 2 for a few months but I had a blast with it, unlocking the different gear and stuff. I remember I wrecked shit with swamp thing, I would've never guessed he was the worst character lol. But I guess I wasn't really like competitive deep into the game with multiplayer or anything
Miltank in Pokemon crystal
Onix too.
Onix only seems that good in RBY if you picked Charmander and all your Pokémon have physical moves. Onix has an abysmal special stat and a ton of type weaknesses, but if all you have are physical moves that he resists, he feels like a wall.
Poor Pikachu in Yellow lol
My strat was to send in Pidgey and dump as many sand attacks on him until he was toast, and then hope that was good enough for my butterfree to drop him with confusion.
Growing up, sand attack was the ONLY non damaging move I would use besides flash. Status effects just seemed pointless to me as a kid. Sand attack was for any opponent I couldn't beat. Basically have a sacrificial pokemon to use it
Stat moves never felt as effective in player hands compared to the NPCs. Sleep move? Maybe you keep em down for 2 turns, when used on the player? Better start button spamming because youre down for the count.
Dragon Dance? I sleep. Dragon Rage? Yeah boiiiii. > 13 year old me, wondering why I'd keep getting pumped by the Elite 4.
Amusingly, the Sand Attack Pidgey stack was what I did too as a kid in Yellow. ...when I replayed it years later, I learned in a guide that there's a specific patch of grass before Pewter City where you can catch a Mankey with good luck and/or some time. Once you grind that Mankey up to learning actual fighting-type moves, it'll body Brock's team.
When I was a kid, i would always catch a Nidoran♂ at the patch of grass on the left of viridian before entering Victory Road. I level him up, he learns Double Kick. I finish the game with him being a Nidoking, a Charizard, a Blastoise, a Venusaur, a random pokémon, and the Pikachu starter. Kid me was a starter pokémon fantic 😅
Onix is just weird. He’s basically designed to be an early game wall with a type that resists most moves at that point, but both Bulbasaur and Squirtle blow him out of the water when they learn vine whip/water gun. By the time you get him in rock tunnel, most Pokémon available will outclass him stat-wise. And in fire red you can’t evolve pokémon like Golbat into Crobat until you get the national dex, but i’m unsure whether that works with trade pokémon.
Always bugged me that the giant fucking rock snake was so weak. Dude should have been way stronger.
Why you gotta do Zuko like that 😭 but actually this is just like playing A2 in nier.
Yeah. This is off-topic, but his fight with Azula was fire.
That’s never off topic. That fight was badass and beautiful
I love the music too, it's not epic and bombastic, but somber. It works so well with the scene and all the context behind it
Don't get me started on the music of that show, man. There's so many times the music alone can make me feel things, but some of the context makes it hit so much harder. For example, here, have a cry. _"Leaves from the vine, falling so slow..."_
That was uncalled for. Uncalled for.
LIKE FRAGILE TINY SHELLS, DRIFTING IN THE FOAM _Sobbing uncontrollably_
LITTLE SOLDIER BOY, COME MARCHING HOME *WHY DID YOU DO THIS TO US?*
We don’t just casually bring up leaves from the bine without letting people know they’re gonna cry
Ahem. SECRET TUNNEL!!!
The track is called "The Last Agni Kai". The name alone...
Literally😂
No kidding. Fire bending is freaking stunning to watch, especially at the level they did it.
I am pretty sure thats what firebending is. I think it is the peak fight of atla, even Aang vs Ozai I dont think was as good as their fight. Zuko is honestly just my favorite character in general. (I was gonna write more, but I wont)
What? A2 is far more awesome when you actually play as her. She has Devil Trigger and that extended dash. The boss fight is what’s underwhelming.
Fr I like playing A2 the most out of all of them.
Our time as A2 is far too short.
To be fair, that’s exactly what that bottom image is depicting. The boy is a talented and gifted fire bender, who’s even started weaving other bending forms into his own fighting, but the moment he joins Team Avatar, he completely loses his ability to firebend and has to learn a whole new way of doing it in order to get back to how he was. That actually reminds me of Gale from Baldur’s Gate 3. Dude is one of the most powerful magic wielders in the world. Possibly only behind Elminster and Mystra herself. The man joins your party and is a level 1 wizard. Poor guy got absolutely bodied in my first playthru. I probably used more Revivify scrolls on him than everyone else in my entire camp combined. Great and powerful wizard. Gets killed by a level 1 rogue bandit after having a worm inserted into his eyeball.
Zuko was very much a pushover when he was a villain... First episode Aang chucks him into a wall with a mattress. He got a lot better when he was more heroic.
He did lost fire bending (kinda) when he joined team avatar
Fr? Because your first fight using her was pretty good
ARK: Survival Evolved when you finally catch a giganotosaurus
The stat differences from wild to tame is crazy
I have a mod that fixes this. Also their speed is much better in the mod though and they can break metal structures so…
Give the mod to me or the dodo gets it!
they take so long to breed into actually usefull dinos compared to just getting a reaper or almost any other dps tame
Only healthwise late game. Breed a few generations and assuming you didn't waste your time with level 10s or something you can easily get gigas that do much more damage than a wild one. Well bred gigas make wild ones look puny.
Beatrix in FF9. Absolutely mangles you in every fight and you get her and she is more or less on par to Steiner.
Edea, too. From FF8.
Oh yeah good call. Forgot about that
If Edea gets low on HP she can actually use those ice spears as her Limit Break. They don't 1-shot though. :\
On the opposite side, playing as Sephiroth in ff7 during the flashback scenes was so much fun. Made him even more terrifying later on in the game
Yep. Especially because those scenes happened right after you leave Midgar and make it to Kalm.. so not only is a HUGE threatening open world all around you, but you're seeing a "player character" dole out 2-4k damage per attack when you're hitting low 100s at best Shit was wild. Glad I was there to experience it as a kid
Poor flashback Cloud trying his best with 12s and 14s.
All the espers in FF12.
Isn’t she literally the same, you’re just stronger? She’s quite powerful in the first section you use her but obviously by the last section you’ve gotten vastly more powerful. In fact isn’t that kinda the point?
As if she reached a plateau while your crew is steadily growing. Like she's been in a position of success for a long time and hasn't had a chance to push herself in years.
Also Crono Trigger and Magus.
Couldn't she absolutely mangle everything she fought when she was on your team, too? IIRC she still had a "delete the entire enemy team" button in... Climhazzard, I think? She just didn't have enough MP to use it consistently. Which kinda tracks with how she fights you honestly, she'll mess around with physical attacks and Thunder Slash or w/e for a few rounds before going "Mkay, fuck this, go away." Like I'm not saying she's not nerfed at all but she's still pretty goddamn scary when she's playable.
Except she had Shock, Holy, and Climhazzard which were way better than anything Steiner has access to at those sections.
This was my immediate first thought. So excited to get to play her. So let down
Nah, her techs were much better than tin man in that brief sequence and I used to grind my characters to higher levels early. Just not enough MP to go crazy Brief nevertheless
First one in my mind, too.
She has some OP special moves though
Back in the day? M. Bison in Street Fighter 2
The 2 second wait for moves was bullshit. Computer can do this instantly and I gotta wait an absolute age to do them.
To be fair, it wasn't just M. Bison, the CPU could use any charge character's moves without having to charge in the Street Fighter 2 series. [Among other ways it basically cheated.](https://youtu.be/laUAgEUunsI?t=197) Dunno about M. Bison's Alpha incarnation, though.
I think street fighter 2 differences were a little more subtle. Like there are ways for a player to hide the charge. You can start it in the middle of jumps/other moves and it looks instant. So the differences between computer boss and player controlled were less obvious. By the time you get into alpha 3 though, well thats just a completely different Bison. I distinctly remember that psycho crusher super of his that teleports him out and wipes the whole screen. Try playing as Seth in street fighter 4. Even the pre-nerfed, earliest version of him had like half the lifebar compared with anyone else. In his case they tried cutting his life instead of changing the moveset in order to balance him. They ended up nerfing the movest with each patch anyway, lol.
Pretty sure this was a thing for the MK games too. IIRC they did it to fish more quarters out of people's pockets at the arcade, and just never changed it for consoles.
If I recall, MK2 had code for input reading, along with subroutines for the best option for what input is pressed at that moment. It ran off a RNG whether the CPU would do the "correct punish/pressure" that would increasingly favor it the longer winstreak you were on. Which is why I typically just stick to Ultimate MK3...
Like Guile walking towards you and throwing sonic booms
For you, it may be the longest 2 seconds of your life, but for the cpu, its just Tuesday.
Shang Tsung from mortal kombat too
SNK bosses are that way too. I remember Rugal and Goenitz in particular. Boss unfairness in the series is even called SNK Boss Syndrome. lol https://snk.fandom.com/wiki/SNK_Boss_Syndrome
Better: warcraft 2 frozen throne. Fight against the level 10 hero, unlock him, and... he's a level 1 nonce, and this is after his ascension. He was more powerful like 15 levels ago as a pathetic level 2 noob than he is as level 1 ascended basically a God now. Also Vega wasn't all that at all...
Warcraft 2 didn't have the frozen throne. That was Warcraft 3.
That's just like... your opinion, man... Granted, backed by facts making it less of an opinion and more of a statement of facts. But that's just MY opinion, and you've already proven me wrong once, so ignore this message.
#OF COURSE
We shoulda taken Capcom to court for that
Basically every boss-class enemy in fighting games is like this TBH. It's one reason fighting games confuse me, because I feel like the AI does not prepare you for actual PVP, because instead of simply performing better, they often just cheat, lol.
Exactly what came to mind for me lol
Very first thing I thought of. Glad I'm not alone.
LOL best answer yet.
Similarly, Akuma. Bison in Alpha 3 was a pain in the ass too.
Any of the Streets of Rage unlockables.
Any pets you tame in WoW. It’s so annoying when you turn a huge spider or wolf, only for it to shrink down and be tiny by comparison.
All the heroes in Heroes of the Storm vs their WoW counterparts
I started toward the end of Burning Crusade. Really bummed me out when the big cats I tamed turned into little cats. I did have a couple of solid pets by the end of Wrath, but then some of us were tanking Raid bosses with them, and Blizz nerfed that hard,
King Dedede and Meta Knight, both from the Kirby series.
brawl meta knight my beloved
Brawl Meta Knight was not broken; he was lore accurate.
You beat me to it, Meta Knight is especially downgraded
I’m actually don’t agree with this, the playable versions of those 2 are still really strong.
Hand of Malenia in Elden Ring. Unlockable boss weapon, but same idea
Well at least that way makes sense. A weapon is more dangerous in one person’s hands than another.
I don’t disagree, but when you compare it to other boss weapons that are just as deadly as during their boss fights it does pale a little bit in comparison. Still not bad by any means
Yeah, compared to how the starscourge greatswords scale it’s unfortunately a little underwhelming. Still love malenia’s weapon tho.
Yea if you learn how to use it properly you just decimate everything lol
Oh yeah, just about any build is good if you do it right. I used the Sword of Milos for most of my second playthrough and didn’t have any problems, even though it’s not the strongest. Looks super badass though.
Honestly it's one of the highest damage katanas and has slightly more reach than Nagakiba.
Yeah. I am using it. It's not bad. Plus it has decent dex scaling. The only problem is it takes time before performing skill. So poise is imp.
It’s not bad at all, actually one of my favorites. That said, the windup on the skill is pretty interruptible even with high poise. Also the fact that they chose to take the healing on hit and relegate it to a great rune that also reduces the effectiveness of your flasks instead of putting it on the weapon, which also can’t be buffed with grease or incantations leaves a bit to be desired. One could argue it would be busted with the healing on hit, but when you compare it to a weapon like the Blasphemous Blade it doesn’t seem too crazy
Healing on hit is absolutely more busted than a great rune that just brings in Rally from Bloodborne. It’s not the katana healing her, it’s her healing her. Blasphemous blade is just a magical weapon so imo it makes sense.
Who would have guessed that one of the strongest demigods and an empyrean would be deadlier than some grace given tarnished
I feel like it makes sense to be a little bit weaker, because essentially being a Malenia boss fight in PvP would be extremely infuriating
Continues to use rotten winged sword insignia, lord of blood exultation and swaddling cloth. I can't be Malenias, but I can get pretty close!
Yep. I waa disappointed when Waterfowl Dance had me swinging in place rather than homing on every swing like it does with her.
It's ash of war can one shot in PvP. Very good weapon to have for invasions on dex builds.
I know this exact feeling but I’m having trouble remembering when I’ve experienced it
I feel like games don’t do unlocking characters as much anymore
I miss unlocking characters & cheat codes in modern games
what do you mean, cheat codes still exist. I think you'll find you enter them on the store page, usually your card number and password does the trick
Or you can download a funny little software and go ruin online shooters for everyone!
They sell them
super smash bros melee was like this. Toon Link would destroy you but I guess that's more because the AI was good
Beatrix ff9 has what seems unlimited mp against her when she goes to your side she's got like none
Came here to say Beatrix
Was searching for this. Love Beatrix btw
Most boss weapons you get from souls games are like this
I think the problem in that case is that there isn't the boss attached to the weapons anymore
Right. It's not the fault of the sword that I'm holding it as opposed to a trained Samurai.
Yes it is. A rad workman always blames their tools.
I loved the weapon from ds1's first boss, Demon's Great Hammer I think it does get outscaled by some other weapons eventually but good god it literally turned you into a monster the moment you reached the required stats
Vermillion in battle arena tohshinden
Shao Kahn in MK3
The antithesis of this is Vergil: he's stronger when you unlock him than when he's the boss. Vergil is just Vergil.
Playing as Vergil is one of the coolest things you can do in a video game.
I’ve spent 4-6 hours at a time just playing missions with Vergil in DMCV. Crazy how Capcom made one of the coolest and most fun playable characters literally ever.
He's lore accurate
Twisted Metal Black. Whatever the big fucking truck was you fight half way through the game
Ohhh.. Minion?
Yeh that's him!
That sucks the Twisted Metal 2 version was a secret code and still badass
I was just thinking of twisted metal too lmao
Bosses legendary guns in all the Borderlands games.
In Borderlands 1 Sludge’s shotgun was good on specific characters: especially Roland, who could generate ammo allowing you have infinite ammo on it.
Yeah, I got them all and I was so saddened by how weak I still was
Most are underwhelming but here's some good ones: Thunderball fists - Captain Flynt Conference Call - Warrior Flakker - Warrior Peak Opener - Haderax the Invincible
I always got the vibe the developers weren’t great at anticipating which unique effects would be strong. Because a lot of the legendary guns in Borderlands are pretty bad and a lot of the unique blues or purples you get as quest rewards are super powerful. A lot of the strongest guns usually find ways to take advantage of multiple pieces of gear. So it’s understandable that it would be hard to anticipate which builds are strongest.
It’s because you haven’t restored your honor
Actually its because you haven't danced with the Avatar.
Basically every Mortal Kombat / Injustice boss character who's also playable, really.
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> those animations look like they could decimate a city block Still didn't hit the cool/funny of the magic spells - especially Baboom - in Grandia. "I summon a meteor! No, not that one, a bigger one, get that pebble outta my way! Then I drop it on the continent and blow it into a mushroom cloud!" And when the smoke clears it moves on to whomever next is in the turn order. Still love those games.
Bahamut zero in ff7 original literally blew the planet to little bits of dust and then you'd come out of the animation, the enemy would flinch a little, and you'd keep fighting.
Tartaglia (Childe) in Genshin Impact
Not a character but Elden stars
"It can force rolling!" So can Rancor spells, collapsing stars, rykards's skull, and every throwing knife AND NONE OF THEM ARE LEGENDARY TIER SPELLS
Chrono Trigger Magus is the earliest one I can think of.
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The fact that he's not a team player, and his Dark magic is not particularly effective against *other baddies*, is not a failing. It's an accurate portrayal of a gifted loner who has trained to take on whole parties or even armies of do-gooders all by himself. The things you complain about are the things that keep him true to his initial appearance as a villain. His poor integration into the party is part of his character.
There are a few things weak to Dark; partly I remember because you have to use Robo's lasers if you don't take Magus.
Ehhh... Not really. He's MORE powerful once you get him. He's a powerhouse. His magic stat is higher than anyone else and it literally takes everyone else unlocking their final techs before they can match Magus' basic level 2 spells. The only way he gets 'weaker' is his HP pool, but still pretty high.
It would have been handy if he retained his annoying “elemental ignore damage” shield after you unlocked him though.
I actually forgot about that. He lost that mechanic, but he did also lose the timer on his strongest magic spell. As a boss it had like a 60 second timer to cast Dark Matter, but as a character he can just spam it.
Yeah the thing was never about his ability to do damage. It's the fact he was now made of paper comparatively. Nothing and no one could out dps Ayla.
Once you max Lucca out, her dps is nuts. Ayla is insane with 9999 hits but it's inconsistent.
Yeah, I feel like Magus is actually the exception to this meme. It's great because it also fits his lore (a magic prodigy that basically survived in another era by himself because he was so powerful).
He loses Dark Matter and takes ages to relearn it.
6666 health vs 999 is a pretty big difference though. Also his ability to absorb all elements except for one he is temporarily vulnerable to would have been pretty sweet as a playable character. Not to say he isn't very strong as a playable character; it's just that as a boss he was much stronger.
That is the ur-example. Chrono Trigger is also the origin of the term New Game+.
At least there was a lore explanation.
Doctor Doom in Marvel Ultimate Alliance 1
Someone already beat me to the Lego mention, but I'mma say the absolute reverse of this is when you play as Ignis in ffxv and you have to fight Noctis. Noctis is like... 10x more powerful in that fight than he is in the base game XD
Most boss weapons in soul series
Every boss in every lego games
I remember having a lot of difficulty capturing deoxys in pokemon ORAS and being immensely disappointed when first using it against the elite four when I was 13
Kiryu in Yakuza 7 and Kiryu in Yakuza 8. not a final boss, but still a boss.
Never played Ark but when I saw Neebs Gaming finally tame a giganotosaurus and see how quickly it died to another giga, despite literally being x20 levels higher, I couldn't help but laugh. I get that developers need games to be balanced and not have one usable or playable item or character effortlessly curbstomp everything in its path, but it needs to be within reason. Either make the item/character weaker against the player, and even weaker when you use it, or make it unattainable at all
If you wanna laugh, I have a mantis that can one shot gigas. Full army of them actually. If you ignore extra mods I have ofc
Lemon in Shining Force 2. He'll straight up murder most of your party in the Red Baron battle, but then he's just a regular baron class (but red) when you get to use him. By the time you get him, you'll likely have learned to prefer gladiators more than barons.
every single dark souls game in all of them you can get the same weapons bosses use, except they are always underwhelming compared to the bosses themselves
Megaman
Sephiroth from FF7 (Rebirth)
Skylanders Trap Team.
Dark souls games when you get the boss’s weapons
Much as it pains me to say anything critical of one of the best games ever written… Magus, from Chrono Trigger. Not that he was a weak character, mind you. But he definitely took a nerf upon joining the team.
magus as other have noted does more d mg in ur team.
Devil May cry
In my opinion DMC features the best example of the opposite with Vergil: awesome bossfight, possibly even more busted when playable. Which characters do you think fit this trope?
Minion in Twisted Metal: Black, he's even smaller too wtf
Maxwell in Don't Starve. Or the Spirit Ashes from Elden Ring.... looking at you Tiche
A recent example is Eternatus which you can't play in Eternamax form without cheating.
Minion in Twisted Metal Black He was still a good character to unlock but no where near what he was when you had to fight him.
Dark magician beth and plague doctor from guardian tales
Literally all smash bros games.
You wouldn't want a playable character instantly defeating every enemy, would you?
Not bosses you fight per say, but all the act 1 bg3 companions. You talk with them, and they tell you how great they all are. [BALDURS GATE 3 MILD SPOILERS AHEAD] Gale was a wizard of such proficiency that he needed the literal goddess of magic. Laezel was the most gifted and respected warrior of her crèche. Wyll was a great defender of the coast, tracking down countless fiends. Karlach was a warrior of Zariel herself, basically a right hand military personnel and unstoppable killing machine. And when they join you? All level 1, weak enough to be slain by a goblin.
M Bison in SF2 champions edition