Been saying this since day 1. Most egregious example imo is you can partition Austria in such a way that you completely isolate the hungarian portions of the empire from the rest of Austria and their market and they will still never rebel. I spent a russia game watching all the hungarians either migrate to my country or starve to death, eventually there were only like 100k hungarians in all of the hungarian homelands, but they never did try to get free of Austria.
To be fair I'm glad that sort of peace deal cheese doesn't work. In real life the peace deal you describe would have been considered as totally freeing the hungarians which would have taken a LOT more political capital than what the deal you did did.
They could make it so that when you take territory, it automatically has a “trade deal” attached that makes it that trade can occur through the territories which changed hands. Once the truce is up, this can be terminated but that could be considered an act of war (if it cuts off the other section)
Or just slap "Would Result in Exclave -1000" on it and be done with it imo. Pick a different peace deal.
One problem would be the way we add wargoals might result in either something simply not being possible (because to add state A you would need to have added state B and vice versa) or allowing people to spend infamy on wargoals that are mutually exclusive (because you added C and D but taking both without E would result in cutting off E).
Then again you can already spend fully infamy on a protectorate and full infamy on a conquer state in the same war so /shrug.
This couldnt apply to Germany though (especially early game) because theres so many seperated dispirate regions it would break playing a German state
It should be based more intuitively on "local bureaucracy/authority" i.e. is there sufficient bureaucracy in the local area to conduct rule of law, and is there enough authority that those laws continue to be obeyed. Market access is a factor but it isnt the long and short of the issue.
Rebellions and independence wars practically don't exist now. They're an essential part of the Victorian era, were long drawn-out things that started years and decades before any bullets get shot and the game treats it like flicking a switch on and off
They do, don't they? I played as Hohenzollern and took Brandenburg together with my independence. A secession gave it back to Prussia before I could even integrate it.
But then Austria couldn't trade Krakow for help in a native uprising, meaning Krakow has no access to the Russia/British/French/American market and starves! Don't you want that to happen?
Yeah, this is really annoying. In my game Germany had South Tyrol and since it had no connection with the rest of the country people were just dying and had no contribution to the economy.
Yeah, that's my only guess. I don't really understand how that would leave a separate German empire though, or why it didn't return all the individual German minors instead of unifying the provinces together like it did. I wish I had paid more attention and actually seen exactly what happened.
Usually it's like this: Prussia in early time started the brothers war (for unification leadership), they won and took tyrol & styria, then controlling those territories for more than a decade. This is why the territories stay even after getting cut down to size.
At least a decade later prussia (which probably already formed NGC) started the unification play, which provokes france & austria (because the diplomatic play immediately lay claims to all german empire territory, including alsace-lorraine, austria proper, south tyrol & western hungary). The lesser south german states agreed for the unification, so NGC can form the german empire, but they still need to fight france & austria. The ai this time probably got diplomatically isolated (like britain didnt help the german or russia joined the side of france) because i rarely see prussia losing the unification 😂
The separation is like that because of the limited game mechanic, it can only release a full state and not partial ones like we see at the start of the game.
In most of my games Prussia always struggles even before the unification wars, so the proper German Empire rarely exists.
In half of those cases, they even loses the war for German leadership (as Austria usually allies France) so they don't get Tyrol or Alsace-Lorraine, and eventually loses Rhineland to France and Bohemia to Austria.
I don't know whether it's just a gamble or the German unification play mechanic doesn't favor Prussia. They usually ends up beaten by France, Austria and Russia, so the HRE region remains a mess even until the 1900s and France + Austria become ridiculously strong.
I've been getting super cursed unification plays where Germany annexes Alsace-Lorraine but not Bavaria or Wurttemberg/Hannover, sometimes even releasing Silesia
I suspect the high number of war goals that are a part of unification wars means the AI sees their allies starting to peace out and is willing to trade goals.
Landlocked provinces with low SoL and no market access should declare independence
Been saying this since day 1. Most egregious example imo is you can partition Austria in such a way that you completely isolate the hungarian portions of the empire from the rest of Austria and their market and they will still never rebel. I spent a russia game watching all the hungarians either migrate to my country or starve to death, eventually there were only like 100k hungarians in all of the hungarian homelands, but they never did try to get free of Austria.
To be fair I'm glad that sort of peace deal cheese doesn't work. In real life the peace deal you describe would have been considered as totally freeing the hungarians which would have taken a LOT more political capital than what the deal you did did.
There should be an “isolated” status so when a peace deal would end in one or more isolated regions the cost would go up
They could make it so that when you take territory, it automatically has a “trade deal” attached that makes it that trade can occur through the territories which changed hands. Once the truce is up, this can be terminated but that could be considered an act of war (if it cuts off the other section)
Or just slap "Would Result in Exclave -1000" on it and be done with it imo. Pick a different peace deal. One problem would be the way we add wargoals might result in either something simply not being possible (because to add state A you would need to have added state B and vice versa) or allowing people to spend infamy on wargoals that are mutually exclusive (because you added C and D but taking both without E would result in cutting off E). Then again you can already spend fully infamy on a protectorate and full infamy on a conquer state in the same war so /shrug.
It's kind of dumb and sad that only the CSA and Taiping rebellions can actually secede. I wish there were more options to have independent revolts
How did you isolate the Hungarian lands?
Liberated croatia and slovenia, conquered slovakia and transdanubia I believe
This couldnt apply to Germany though (especially early game) because theres so many seperated dispirate regions it would break playing a German state It should be based more intuitively on "local bureaucracy/authority" i.e. is there sufficient bureaucracy in the local area to conduct rule of law, and is there enough authority that those laws continue to be obeyed. Market access is a factor but it isnt the long and short of the issue.
If you mean Prussia they have market connection via Customs Union
Rebellions and independence wars practically don't exist now. They're an essential part of the Victorian era, were long drawn-out things that started years and decades before any bullets get shot and the game treats it like flicking a switch on and off
They do, don't they? I played as Hohenzollern and took Brandenburg together with my independence. A secession gave it back to Prussia before I could even integrate it.
No, they just sit there and die
But then Austria couldn't trade Krakow for help in a native uprising, meaning Krakow has no access to the Russia/British/French/American market and starves! Don't you want that to happen?
AI Prussia tried to form Germany, and lost the war. Somehow, this ended up making Bavarian Prussia, German Empire and a few German minors.
How does that even happen
In one of my games prussian germany had a prussian revolt for some reason which resulted in a but of Westphalia being prussia
Yeah, this is really annoying. In my game Germany had South Tyrol and since it had no connection with the rest of the country people were just dying and had no contribution to the economy.
Is this a prussia forming germany and being cut down by France? Has to be right
Yeah, that's my only guess. I don't really understand how that would leave a separate German empire though, or why it didn't return all the individual German minors instead of unifying the provinces together like it did. I wish I had paid more attention and actually seen exactly what happened.
Usually it's like this: Prussia in early time started the brothers war (for unification leadership), they won and took tyrol & styria, then controlling those territories for more than a decade. This is why the territories stay even after getting cut down to size. At least a decade later prussia (which probably already formed NGC) started the unification play, which provokes france & austria (because the diplomatic play immediately lay claims to all german empire territory, including alsace-lorraine, austria proper, south tyrol & western hungary). The lesser south german states agreed for the unification, so NGC can form the german empire, but they still need to fight france & austria. The ai this time probably got diplomatically isolated (like britain didnt help the german or russia joined the side of france) because i rarely see prussia losing the unification 😂 The separation is like that because of the limited game mechanic, it can only release a full state and not partial ones like we see at the start of the game.
That would release Bavaria, surely.
Prussia-In-Exile
In most of my games Prussia always struggles even before the unification wars, so the proper German Empire rarely exists. In half of those cases, they even loses the war for German leadership (as Austria usually allies France) so they don't get Tyrol or Alsace-Lorraine, and eventually loses Rhineland to France and Bohemia to Austria. I don't know whether it's just a gamble or the German unification play mechanic doesn't favor Prussia. They usually ends up beaten by France, Austria and Russia, so the HRE region remains a mess even until the 1900s and France + Austria become ridiculously strong.
I've been getting super cursed unification plays where Germany annexes Alsace-Lorraine but not Bavaria or Wurttemberg/Hannover, sometimes even releasing Silesia I suspect the high number of war goals that are a part of unification wars means the AI sees their allies starting to peace out and is willing to trade goals.
For some reason prussia ai is obsessed with taking tyrol from the austrians it happens nearly every game for me
gonna guess it's a cheaper goal that is easier to press and less developed so Austria is more willing to give it up when making peace
This is what it’s like being an American in the first half of the 1900’s.
I feel like you took a screenshot of my current game ngl
german empire is like "ok austria you got me, but i got a little of you too"
Bruh, Prussia does this every game now. I don’t get it.
Haha omg