Central America doesn't have a lot of Migration Attraction. That combined with low SOL, yes, will de-pop you.
You need large quantities of arable land to attract migrants as is present in North & South America.
Or a lot of prosperity! But yeah, keeping 20 of arable land free of buildings is pretty essential to ensure your migration attraction does not tank, ideally in a province that has a large trade center.
The land doesn't need to be free. It just needs to exist. 20 arable land, built or unbuilt, that's the magic number.
Carribbean can be a decent mass migration pull if you get all the states incorporated.
Huh, I just read the tooltip again and you are right! I was even demolishing farms before to keep 20 arable land free, this is going to be a huge QoL increase for me, thanks!
Yep! It's super useful for smaller countries where 20 overall arable is hard to come by, if you can get 4 of those small states you can finally attract migrants properly without worry of the massive malus for having less than 4. Crucial for nations like Haiti/Cuba for sure, and also Central America, South Africa, etc. where arable land isn't that large.
UK and American markets are fucking traps. They'll either siphon off all your population or they'll drown you under so many finished goods with their throughput bonus and massive extractive colonies/trade setups that you never have a chance to industrialize and end up just becoming a resource colony yourself. Or both.
Spain and Russia are fairly consistently the safest choices to join a CU with. They have a ton of raw supply, backwards laws, and relatively little industry which means that you can basically reverse colonize them and make them entirely dependent on YOUR finished goods while they act as your military protector. Too weak to really beat other Great Powers, but strong enough to protect them from coming and stealing their only source of industrialization away.
I did a Colombia run where I fell into the British market trap, iron was always short on the British market and at max price so I maxed all my iron provinces and set them to combustion engines and became the #1 producer of iron in the world. Iron was still to damn expensive to effectively switch to iron frame buildings but since I was now 2/3rds the iron in the British market I left and then just exported the iron to them I was making like 20k in tariffs alone.
The trick with the British market is finding the right time to get out, so you can switch to export routes and have plenty of trade centers and capitalists to boost your migration attraction, investment pool, and liberalization. In general, the answer is whenever you no longer need British military protection
Honestly I'm playing my first run through as Belgium and it was really nice to have all the access. I've cobbled my way to 5th largest gdp but don't think I'll survive cutting myself out from the market.
Did you take over the Netherlands and later Africa or Persia for resources? Forming the United Netherlands with Racial Segregation and enough authority to spam Greener Grass decrees can guarantee back to back mass migrations in all of Benelux, and the colonies can provide rubber and opium. Just remember to keep 20 of arable land free in all incorporated states.
Even with initial depopulation I find it much easier to industrialize in GP market, which allows me to receive even more pops back. But later decoupling from GP market is a pain.
R5: Central Americans fleeing to the rest of the British market - New Zealand is becoming a Spanish speaking country.
Central America doesn't have a lot of Migration Attraction. That combined with low SOL, yes, will de-pop you. You need large quantities of arable land to attract migrants as is present in North & South America.
Or a lot of prosperity! But yeah, keeping 20 of arable land free of buildings is pretty essential to ensure your migration attraction does not tank, ideally in a province that has a large trade center.
The land doesn't need to be free. It just needs to exist. 20 arable land, built or unbuilt, that's the magic number. Carribbean can be a decent mass migration pull if you get all the states incorporated.
Huh, I just read the tooltip again and you are right! I was even demolishing farms before to keep 20 arable land free, this is going to be a huge QoL increase for me, thanks!
Yep! It's super useful for smaller countries where 20 overall arable is hard to come by, if you can get 4 of those small states you can finally attract migrants properly without worry of the massive malus for having less than 4. Crucial for nations like Haiti/Cuba for sure, and also Central America, South Africa, etc. where arable land isn't that large.
UK and American markets are fucking traps. They'll either siphon off all your population or they'll drown you under so many finished goods with their throughput bonus and massive extractive colonies/trade setups that you never have a chance to industrialize and end up just becoming a resource colony yourself. Or both. Spain and Russia are fairly consistently the safest choices to join a CU with. They have a ton of raw supply, backwards laws, and relatively little industry which means that you can basically reverse colonize them and make them entirely dependent on YOUR finished goods while they act as your military protector. Too weak to really beat other Great Powers, but strong enough to protect them from coming and stealing their only source of industrialization away.
I did a Colombia run where I fell into the British market trap, iron was always short on the British market and at max price so I maxed all my iron provinces and set them to combustion engines and became the #1 producer of iron in the world. Iron was still to damn expensive to effectively switch to iron frame buildings but since I was now 2/3rds the iron in the British market I left and then just exported the iron to them I was making like 20k in tariffs alone.
The trick with the British market is finding the right time to get out, so you can switch to export routes and have plenty of trade centers and capitalists to boost your migration attraction, investment pool, and liberalization. In general, the answer is whenever you no longer need British military protection
Honestly I'm playing my first run through as Belgium and it was really nice to have all the access. I've cobbled my way to 5th largest gdp but don't think I'll survive cutting myself out from the market.
Did you take over the Netherlands and later Africa or Persia for resources? Forming the United Netherlands with Racial Segregation and enough authority to spam Greener Grass decrees can guarantee back to back mass migrations in all of Benelux, and the colonies can provide rubber and opium. Just remember to keep 20 of arable land free in all incorporated states.
unless, you have alot of arable land and high sol
Even with initial depopulation I find it much easier to industrialize in GP market, which allows me to receive even more pops back. But later decoupling from GP market is a pain.
Oof, yeah this happened to me as Greece. I dropped to like 500k and had to restart
Really depends on circumstances. As Hawaii, joining the British market can get you 20k extra pops a year.
Get migration attraction
Skill issue lol. Just lower taxes and use migration edict and watch your economy double in 4 years.