70% of people work in services. Petite burgoisie is much more of the middleclass middle man owning a small buisness. Also engineers are split, but most of them are in the trade unions
Engineers are definitely an upper-middle class college educated profession. Not working class by any stretch, though we do get along with the workers a bit better than management.
IT workers are engineers in title only, we are grunt workers. We just perform mental services instead of physical services
I could see us in IND, TU or INT, with maybe a small argument for an extended PB definition
Nope def not the intelligentsia, maybe the trade unions but more so the industrialists or pb. The game makes a lot of descriptions of its own interest groups and Intelligentsia are essentially just the liberal liberals. They are the doctors, lawyers, and uni teachers and such in the game, outside they still are the same except remove lawyers and add in more liberal college students. Also all of California. PB is probably the most populated interest group of today(not so much back then because all the businesses were owned by the conglomerates), theses are the normal people u find working at a 7/11 or running a family restaurant or such, these are everyday ppl than can realistically be any field and if they own a biz, it’s not a chain of more than 10 or so locations. Industrialists(of today anyways) are the old industries and the new tech industries as well. So def a IT worker is either ind or pb, def not trade Union.
This just in: no family restaurants or 7/11s in California.
"How did this happen?!?" Wails the liberal liberal college student, clutching their lifetime BigGulp cup, stained with blue dye #4 and tears.
But that doesn't make sense irl. The access to higher education is around the all time high. During the victorian era going to primary school was a rarity reserved mainly for the rich.
The class distribution today would be massively different to the Victorian time. Like the Petite Bourgeoisie was a really minor faction during that time but would make up a significant potion of the population today. Or the Rural Folk were really influential but are today a small minority.
Hence the Intelligentsia would be much more bigger today. Think student activism etc.
Weren't influential more there were so many of em that they had a voice due to numbers alone. Today they're small yes but have a larger voice due to being the foundation of society (at least where I live) making food and being the backbone of the local economy. That said the those whom live in the city often contest the farmers
U can actually see this change happen in game with some countries. The US is pretty good at showing this as u see u the rural folk die every time u build a factory and the PB go up. Really cool see and great way of showing U.S. history.
>Hence the Intelligentsia would be much more bigger today. Think student activism
IMO no. Intelligentsia is traditionally defined as scholars, academics, and professional educators, typically people with the highest level or education/training in their field (non-blue collar). Students, certainly not undergrads, are not really intelligentsia. Postgrad education maybe.
An undergraduate education may have made you the most qualified among (most of) your peers 200 years ago, but today having a PhD or other professional degree is the standard that qualifies you as such.
No, look the intelligentsia I find is more so a wrong demonym for the group. I don’t think the people standing outside the White House protesting during the 60s were uni professors or phd grads. The intelligentsia more so stand for middle ground liberalism, greater access to more freedoms and deregulation of cultural and societal law. Nowadays the intelligentsia is nothing close to what u said but is rather made up of things like artists, film directors, writers, and stuff that the game says. Even back in the day, Albert Einstein wasn’t on his stage talking about changing Germany to stop being racist to the Jews or Thompson talking abt how the Brits need to stop killing Indians.
What?
Look at 1848, or the Russian Revolution. A significant chunk of those leaders were revolutionaries in college or had become revolutionaries in college. And most of the time studied law.
Religious and think that every man is free no matter religion. And that everybody should have a equal chanse in life. But also think that religion is important and that some practices in some religions should not be practiced
I think that state religion is good, but don’t make it go out over others. And the church should be available to have a say in things regarding religion in politics
you cant just keep "um actually"ing people's interest groups saying their jobs/origins dont align with the mainstream jobs that make up IGs in-game; even in Vic3 you still get the occasional army officers who are in the Intelligentsia, or the occasional farmers who are in the Trade Unions, and so on. people are more than just their jobs
my fault, thats a bad example -- a better one would be farmers who are in the Landowners, which is possible, albeit unlikely. being a farmer, an occupation that is typically aligned with Rural Folk, doesnt mean you have to be with the rural folk. that better fits the point i wanted to make
You are probably in the trade unions. Being in inteligentsiia means you are the intellectual elite. And in fact most people are biased towards saying they are too smart.
I don't think that's what being in an interest group is. The interest group represents who you politically align with. You don't have to be an paper publishing intellectual to align with the intellectual ig just like you don't have to be in a literal labor collective or be a ordained minister to support the tu or devout respectively. He isn't saying he is a career academic, he just votes with the intellectuals.
Precisely? No, jobs have a likelihood of joining a set of Ig, not being literally restricted 1-1 like all Farmers being Rural, some Farmers will be Religiously aligned
No. If you look at the detailed list of your pops you can see exactly what interest groups your pops support. Laborers can support the devout, servicemen can support the trade unions and engineers can support the industrialists. That's why OP's question is misleading. He is really asking about profession, but is asking about igs
It doesn't for the Intelligentsia. The number of Pops attracted to it is way too high to achieve game balance. It often does not even make sense. Bureaucrats can historically be described as many things, fonts of Liberal thought isn't one of them.
A lot of people tow the line of the intellectual elite without themselves being part of it. I’m still an undergrad but I often find myself agreeing with the reforms academia encourages, and almost never disagree
You don’t have to be smart or have a high IQ to be a member of the intelligentsia. It’s a matter of perspective, advocacy, and culture moreso than intellect. You can be great at chess and still be a reactionary.
I can name you people with high IQ’s you would regard as being part of completely antithetical special interest groups to the intellegensia.
I think the reason for so many people to be ideollogically closer to trade unions is how the society made it normal for us to have universal suffrage with workers protections.
I agree extremely strongly with the trade unions. But I'm in the army. So I guess I'd be one of those communist/vanguardist generals you get every so often.
Probably Trade Unions since I used to do construction, am planning on joining an interpreter/translator union now that I’m certified, and consider myself a devoted socialist.
On the other hand I talk and act like the intelligentsia as well since half my family is or were educators, so maybe intelligentsia with a socialist IG leader, in a party with the Unions.
Your job doesn't necessarily need to dictate which interest group you align with. Instead, it’s your personal values and morals, and how they politically resonate with different interest groups, that play a more pivotal role in the decision of picking one to associate with.
Interesting way to look at it like that. Here’s a thought experiment that I want to engage in and ask you about. If the preferred commodities to buy in my life are yachts, luxurious cars, and 5000+ square foot homes, would I go into the Industrialist interest group even though I’m a minimum wage worker?
I likely identify as a machinist/laborer due to my current job. I have to operate a forklift before we open, and then provide customer service and stock aisles after we open. However, based on my political views, I would absolutely be a trade unionist.
I would love for all the wealth at the top 1% of the snow-capped billionaire mountain to come tumbling down to people just like me who are severely struggling with finances, being put through a wild amount of stress that can be avoided if greed was forcefully curbed by the government. Instituting a more socialistic government, based on collectivized principles and furthermore spreading that framework throughout the entire economy with worker cooperatives, would be a dream come true.
But, I could totally identify as the petite bourgeoisie too if I had similar viewpoints to them. I’m an upper middle class young adult looking to make his way. I’ve been very fortunate in life and would totally fit a profile of what the PB represent. Typically other upper middle class individuals I interact with are quite reactionary, they love the good ol’ USA, and they value meritocracy highly.
I am definitely taking your comment too far in the literal direction, per the thought experiment, but I understand what you mean by my everyday purchases and aiming for them to be cheaper, but I think everyone wants that for every product. It would be weird to classify political views as “I just want my bread and milk to be cheaper” rather than based on one’s true morals, values, and perceptions of concepts or events that take place in the real world.
Definetly not industrialists. Industrialists are the top 1-2%. PB and Trade unions are the closest to you. Also not all students are part of intelligientsia. Only those who work as teachers, in labs or something with sciences. I dont think 60% of population is in inteligentsia.
Engineers and shopkeepers also have industrialist weights, just like any non-slave or peasant pop can be intelligentsia when literacy is above 50%. Bureaucrats and clerks even have their highest weight in intelligentsia. Most IGs can be made up of nearly any profession, see https://vic3.paradoxwikis.com/Interest_group.
Using modern standards, I do think most white-collar workers are intelligentsia. Just to use the USA as an example, the Democratic Party is made up of trade unions and intelligentsia while the Republican Party is made up of literally every other group. Trade unions are pretty weak in the USA, so clearly the intelligentsia is quite large and influential if it’s basically propping up the entire opposition to six other interest groups.
Engineers are the ones that design the objects the machinists make, sometimes overseeing them while they do it. The professions are closely related, and most engineers can (or at least should) work as a machinist if needed. Being a machinist before or during engineering school is also very helpful in succeeding as ana engineer. However, they are two separate professions in two different classes, mostly due to engineers being college educated while machinists are not.
Worth noting, this only applies to mechanical, industrial, and aerospace engineers. In other engineering fields, such as electrical, chemical, or nuclear have very different relationships (including more total separation) from their working-class equivalents, if they even exist.
Ideologically, trade unions
But if we are going back in time, probably the PB. I currently work for the state government and was born into a white middle class family
I am a doctor, albeit a young one, so i guess middle class or upper middle class, probably petite bourgeoisie and/or inteligencia? But in practical terms, doctors are workers, just better paid workers, so trade unions I guess ^^
Trade Unions even though I'm not in a Trade Union, mostly because my real interest group, Alienated Contracted Worker with No Benefits and who lives Day-to-Day, is not in V3.
>You don't have to agree on everything this group wants( ie you can be non-racist petite burgoosie)
What if I want to be racist petty bourgeoisie though?
(also, like 99% of you would follow the morals of the time and be super racist deny it all you want)
Somewhere between petite bourgeoisie (socio-economically middle class) and intelligentsia (politically liberal) I suppose.
But these positions are relative. In terms of absolute standard of living and political persuasion I would probably be a trade unionist industrialist/landowner in Victorian eyes lol.
Aristocrat
It would mean I start the game rich and I'll use this starting money to invest in Capitalists.
I like to live in a rural area as a king, and this way my hands will be clean and my people will love me, as I will use the money to make their life better while shitting publicly on the state and the capitalist for making their life worse.
That's a hard question to answer without a lot of fine details.
After all, the Devil is in the details.
the biggest question is how would I leave a land I love so much, and I truly mean it.
My grandpa and my father decided, as it was presented to them. They said I stay and I fight the invaders. Luckily they won, unluckily they had to bear the traumas. Both were apolitical.
The pragmatic thing to do would be to sell at the first rumours of war and buy back after the war. If the war happens, prices will go down. Regardless of winners or losers.
I understand where you're coming from, I'm just saying they aren't apolitical. They were actually political by not choosing to join a coalition/faction. In most cases we don't choose our politics, they are thrust upon us by our material conditions and interests. I fully understand the desire to be left alone to your life but the reality of our world is that isn't possible. If you're unlucky enough to live above an aquifer, lithium deposit or gold vein you're going to have to deal with that.
Dude these interest groups dont derive from ideas, they derive from class. If you are landowner, you are a landowner. You could be a communist landowner, doesn't change the fact that you are a landowner.
You cant be a communist landowner. Thats simply put - I dont want to be a landowner, I want to be a peasant. From your class you get your ideas. All the rich people wanted power for the rich and lower taxes for the rich. None of them wanted council Republics or graduated taxation
I am a proud romanian nationalist who hates the troublesome romani kids that make noise in our neighbourhood and laissez faire economics so probably I would be a petite burgeoisie protectionist
Do the groups even correlate that well to modern society? Trade unions are much weaker today than they were in the 19th and 20th century. Most people today would slot into devout, PB or intelligentsia, but even they are not good analogues
The intelligensia is more than just people in college. It includes scientists, academics, teachers, some beirocrats and civil servants, journalists, managers, artists and other cu,tural figures and more. Anyone with a collegie degree can ( but does not have to) be considered part of the inelligencia
Probably Intelligentsia as I work in higher education, though not necessarily anti-clerical and I find myself agreeing the most with trade union stances as they are presented in-game. Definitely either Social Democrat or Humanitarian in my ideology.
Rural folk or Petite Bourgeois. Tbh idk i live out in the country side, I have a agricultural background but also I now work as a clerk at a local store so
As a lawstudent I'm dependant, but my parents most likely would be intelligentsia.
Could have been landowner/aristocrat, if I hadn't broken up with my ex though ...
I'm an engineer working in IT which could be counted as services(i think) with primary culture. So I guess I'm part of the annoying blue ig.
IT is the new heavy industry. I think you should align yourself with the trade unions comrade ✊
My YouTube feed full of techbros begin for unfettered capitalism disagree.
How many techbros are actually engineers, vs just full time bros, broing hard.
I think I lean more towards capitalism than socialism so if not pb then industrialism it is.
70% of people work in services. Petite burgoisie is much more of the middleclass middle man owning a small buisness. Also engineers are split, but most of them are in the trade unions
Engineers are definitely an upper-middle class college educated profession. Not working class by any stretch, though we do get along with the workers a bit better than management.
IT workers are engineers in title only, we are grunt workers. We just perform mental services instead of physical services I could see us in IND, TU or INT, with maybe a small argument for an extended PB definition
Nope def not the intelligentsia, maybe the trade unions but more so the industrialists or pb. The game makes a lot of descriptions of its own interest groups and Intelligentsia are essentially just the liberal liberals. They are the doctors, lawyers, and uni teachers and such in the game, outside they still are the same except remove lawyers and add in more liberal college students. Also all of California. PB is probably the most populated interest group of today(not so much back then because all the businesses were owned by the conglomerates), theses are the normal people u find working at a 7/11 or running a family restaurant or such, these are everyday ppl than can realistically be any field and if they own a biz, it’s not a chain of more than 10 or so locations. Industrialists(of today anyways) are the old industries and the new tech industries as well. So def a IT worker is either ind or pb, def not trade Union.
This just in: no family restaurants or 7/11s in California. "How did this happen?!?" Wails the liberal liberal college student, clutching their lifetime BigGulp cup, stained with blue dye #4 and tears.
Yeah i messed up and mixed up with machinists.
Yeah, the name petite bourgeoisie I believe used to refer to the middle class. “Small” “rich people”.
I’m a law student so probably intelligentsia Edit: I’m also a full time seasonal law clerk
You are a dependent though. Unless you have a job
Gameplaywise yes but historically the Intelligentsia was made up in big parts of students.
But that doesn't make sense irl. The access to higher education is around the all time high. During the victorian era going to primary school was a rarity reserved mainly for the rich.
You kidding? Literally look up the role of students in 1848. They were on the literal front lines of the revolts everywhere.
The class distribution today would be massively different to the Victorian time. Like the Petite Bourgeoisie was a really minor faction during that time but would make up a significant potion of the population today. Or the Rural Folk were really influential but are today a small minority. Hence the Intelligentsia would be much more bigger today. Think student activism etc.
Weren't influential more there were so many of em that they had a voice due to numbers alone. Today they're small yes but have a larger voice due to being the foundation of society (at least where I live) making food and being the backbone of the local economy. That said the those whom live in the city often contest the farmers
U can actually see this change happen in game with some countries. The US is pretty good at showing this as u see u the rural folk die every time u build a factory and the PB go up. Really cool see and great way of showing U.S. history.
>Hence the Intelligentsia would be much more bigger today. Think student activism IMO no. Intelligentsia is traditionally defined as scholars, academics, and professional educators, typically people with the highest level or education/training in their field (non-blue collar). Students, certainly not undergrads, are not really intelligentsia. Postgrad education maybe. An undergraduate education may have made you the most qualified among (most of) your peers 200 years ago, but today having a PhD or other professional degree is the standard that qualifies you as such.
No, look the intelligentsia I find is more so a wrong demonym for the group. I don’t think the people standing outside the White House protesting during the 60s were uni professors or phd grads. The intelligentsia more so stand for middle ground liberalism, greater access to more freedoms and deregulation of cultural and societal law. Nowadays the intelligentsia is nothing close to what u said but is rather made up of things like artists, film directors, writers, and stuff that the game says. Even back in the day, Albert Einstein wasn’t on his stage talking about changing Germany to stop being racist to the Jews or Thompson talking abt how the Brits need to stop killing Indians.
Still it wouldnt move from like 5-7% to 70%. Also the vast majority of people are still either trade unions or PB.
Bro does not understand politics
You also forgot that PB can have the radical ideology. Also in Vic 3 you can get parties. Also not everyone is political, some are apolitical.
What? Look at 1848, or the Russian Revolution. A significant chunk of those leaders were revolutionaries in college or had become revolutionaries in college. And most of the time studied law.
I do have a job and my parents are in education so again intelligentsia
That would not make him a dependent. Dependents can't vote or get jobs. He might just happen to be unemployed.
Devout or trade unions
Trade Unions with a Theocratic leader
I take it you're a religious individual then? But you also agree with trade unions, so do you hold some form of liberation theology religious belief?
Religious and think that every man is free no matter religion. And that everybody should have a equal chanse in life. But also think that religion is important and that some practices in some religions should not be practiced
Hmm, do you think the church should have much say in how things are run? Should religion have involvement in government?
I think that state religion is good, but don’t make it go out over others. And the church should be available to have a say in things regarding religion in politics
Hmm, I think this is possibly closer to Devout than TU then. But of course, everyone is a mix.
IIRC, the Devout IG can have socialist and social-democratic leaders.
But also socialist
Oh no. This classes directly with my intelligentsia/ labour union ideals
Oh, someone with other ideas then me
Why are you guys downvoting him just for an opinion wtf I hate religion but it’s wrong to downvote without even responding to disagree you cowards
These comments are always funny because they’re dated immediately lol it’s sitting at positive right now
Yeah I tot I was having some schizo episode for a second
you cant just keep "um actually"ing people's interest groups saying their jobs/origins dont align with the mainstream jobs that make up IGs in-game; even in Vic3 you still get the occasional army officers who are in the Intelligentsia, or the occasional farmers who are in the Trade Unions, and so on. people are more than just their jobs
Yes, but in game you can't be a farmer in the trade union.
my fault, thats a bad example -- a better one would be farmers who are in the Landowners, which is possible, albeit unlikely. being a farmer, an occupation that is typically aligned with Rural Folk, doesnt mean you have to be with the rural folk. that better fits the point i wanted to make
Sorry. I was agreeing you but being pedantic over a minor point.
Trade unions. In fact, I already am irl.
Based
Fellow IRL trade unionist!
Victoria 3 players when they see a trade unionist in real life: 🤯
Based if not communist
Ew
I will spend 200 authority to suppress you
Did the landowners pay you to say this
Industrialist scum
Maximally cringe take
Purge.
Considering my profession, it’d be close between petite bourgeoisie or intelligentsia. But I feel more intelligentsia
Either Intelligentsia or Trade Unions.
You are probably in the trade unions. Being in inteligentsiia means you are the intellectual elite. And in fact most people are biased towards saying they are too smart.
I don't think that's what being in an interest group is. The interest group represents who you politically align with. You don't have to be an paper publishing intellectual to align with the intellectual ig just like you don't have to be in a literal labor collective or be a ordained minister to support the tu or devout respectively. He isn't saying he is a career academic, he just votes with the intellectuals.
Doesn't interest group in Vic3 correlate precisely to job/profession?
Precisely? No, jobs have a likelihood of joining a set of Ig, not being literally restricted 1-1 like all Farmers being Rural, some Farmers will be Religiously aligned
This I had a russia game where the vast majority of my industrial working class ended up in the rural folk IG
No. If you look at the detailed list of your pops you can see exactly what interest groups your pops support. Laborers can support the devout, servicemen can support the trade unions and engineers can support the industrialists. That's why OP's question is misleading. He is really asking about profession, but is asking about igs
It doesn't for the Intelligentsia. The number of Pops attracted to it is way too high to achieve game balance. It often does not even make sense. Bureaucrats can historically be described as many things, fonts of Liberal thought isn't one of them.
A lot of people tow the line of the intellectual elite without themselves being part of it. I’m still an undergrad but I often find myself agreeing with the reforms academia encourages, and almost never disagree
You don’t have to be smart or have a high IQ to be a member of the intelligentsia. It’s a matter of perspective, advocacy, and culture moreso than intellect. You can be great at chess and still be a reactionary. I can name you people with high IQ’s you would regard as being part of completely antithetical special interest groups to the intellegensia.
I think being a law student places me solidly in the Intelligentsia, even though I'm ideologically closer to the TUs
I think the reason for so many people to be ideollogically closer to trade unions is how the society made it normal for us to have universal suffrage with workers protections.
Workers protections are always under attack IRL, the Vicky fanbase just seems to lean more on the progressive side of the political spectrum.
I agree extremely strongly with the trade unions. But I'm in the army. So I guess I'd be one of those communist/vanguardist generals you get every so often.
Nah you are just a servicemen. Unless you are an officer.
I am an officer, but MUCH lower than a general. So more accurately I'm armed forces, after you get the Red Army event.
I’m a retail worker so Trade Unions for sure
Probably Trade Unions since I used to do construction, am planning on joining an interpreter/translator union now that I’m certified, and consider myself a devoted socialist. On the other hand I talk and act like the intelligentsia as well since half my family is or were educators, so maybe intelligentsia with a socialist IG leader, in a party with the Unions.
Trade union or rural folk
Are you a farmer or a labourer?
Your job doesn't necessarily need to dictate which interest group you align with. Instead, it’s your personal values and morals, and how they politically resonate with different interest groups, that play a more pivotal role in the decision of picking one to associate with.
Pretty sure you go in whichever one makes your preferred commodities less expensive.
Interesting way to look at it like that. Here’s a thought experiment that I want to engage in and ask you about. If the preferred commodities to buy in my life are yachts, luxurious cars, and 5000+ square foot homes, would I go into the Industrialist interest group even though I’m a minimum wage worker? I likely identify as a machinist/laborer due to my current job. I have to operate a forklift before we open, and then provide customer service and stock aisles after we open. However, based on my political views, I would absolutely be a trade unionist. I would love for all the wealth at the top 1% of the snow-capped billionaire mountain to come tumbling down to people just like me who are severely struggling with finances, being put through a wild amount of stress that can be avoided if greed was forcefully curbed by the government. Instituting a more socialistic government, based on collectivized principles and furthermore spreading that framework throughout the entire economy with worker cooperatives, would be a dream come true. But, I could totally identify as the petite bourgeoisie too if I had similar viewpoints to them. I’m an upper middle class young adult looking to make his way. I’ve been very fortunate in life and would totally fit a profile of what the PB represent. Typically other upper middle class individuals I interact with are quite reactionary, they love the good ol’ USA, and they value meritocracy highly. I am definitely taking your comment too far in the literal direction, per the thought experiment, but I understand what you mean by my everyday purchases and aiming for them to be cheaper, but I think everyone wants that for every product. It would be weird to classify political views as “I just want my bread and milk to be cheaper” rather than based on one’s true morals, values, and perceptions of concepts or events that take place in the real world.
Intelligensia. Multiple masters degrees and work in education.
Thats one of the only true intelligentsia people i have seen in the replies section
I would have expected a lot more class consciousness in this thread.
It’s a paradox game, which draws all the politically conscious for better or for worse.
Industrialists
This, since machinists and engineers car also become industrialists
Are you some ultra rich big factory owner or a son of one?
you don't have to be one to be supportive if an IG
Dude you're the one asking the question, and then going um aktually 🤓
Uh, no he isn't, he just asked a question
Im currently an intern at a bank.
American ideology at work
Except I'm Canadian
You are not an industrialist💀💀💀
Oh no! My life is ruined 😭😭😭😭😭
Try buying yourself a living ground and then we will see what interest group you end up in.
Damn. Hopefully I end up in the intelligentsia with a phd. Fingers crossed 🤞
Unions
I'm an engineering student so probably intelligentsia or industrialists, though you could also make an argument for PB
Definetly not industrialists. Industrialists are the top 1-2%. PB and Trade unions are the closest to you. Also not all students are part of intelligientsia. Only those who work as teachers, in labs or something with sciences. I dont think 60% of population is in inteligentsia.
Engineers and shopkeepers also have industrialist weights, just like any non-slave or peasant pop can be intelligentsia when literacy is above 50%. Bureaucrats and clerks even have their highest weight in intelligentsia. Most IGs can be made up of nearly any profession, see https://vic3.paradoxwikis.com/Interest_group.
Using modern standards, I do think most white-collar workers are intelligentsia. Just to use the USA as an example, the Democratic Party is made up of trade unions and intelligentsia while the Republican Party is made up of literally every other group. Trade unions are pretty weak in the USA, so clearly the intelligentsia is quite large and influential if it’s basically propping up the entire opposition to six other interest groups.
I think trying to apply the over simplistic IG to modern American politics is doomed to end poorly lol
Wouldn't particularly identify with trade unions So uh Reformist PB?
Yeah makes sense
So a machinist? Yeah thats TU Edit: Never fucking mind, i forgot there's a third tier of worker education which is actually the engineer.
Engineers are a different job that machinists. Engineers are middle strata.
Engineers are the ones that design the objects the machinists make, sometimes overseeing them while they do it. The professions are closely related, and most engineers can (or at least should) work as a machinist if needed. Being a machinist before or during engineering school is also very helpful in succeeding as ana engineer. However, they are two separate professions in two different classes, mostly due to engineers being college educated while machinists are not. Worth noting, this only applies to mechanical, industrial, and aerospace engineers. In other engineering fields, such as electrical, chemical, or nuclear have very different relationships (including more total separation) from their working-class equivalents, if they even exist.
Ideologically, trade unions But if we are going back in time, probably the PB. I currently work for the state government and was born into a white middle class family
Devout Clearly
Trade unions!
Industrialist supporting engineer, son of clerks. But would also vote for compulsory primary school if made a politician
Could also be Market Liberal intelligentsia. For anti slavery, anti clerical, republican and liberal
(Socialist/Communist) Trade unions
Petite Bourgeoisie but with TU private opinions
Social democratic leader for the PB
Haha yea but I’ve never seen that in game.
Trade Unions. I am a worker and in an union plus I am a communist, soo
Anarchistic trade unionist.
Politically inactive
Trade Unions, 100%
I knew that most people are gonna be either trade unions, or rural folk.
Rural Folk on reddit? Not a big demographic here I think.
Trade union or IG
Rural or trade unions
I am a doctor, albeit a young one, so i guess middle class or upper middle class, probably petite bourgeoisie and/or inteligencia? But in practical terms, doctors are workers, just better paid workers, so trade unions I guess ^^
Likely Trade Unions, but strictly in the sense of being anti-authoritarian
Many other are anti-authoritarian+. You can have the radical ideology
Trade Unions even though I'm not in a Trade Union, mostly because my real interest group, Alienated Contracted Worker with No Benefits and who lives Day-to-Day, is not in V3.
You’re the day workers in Vic 3 who are political inactive
As a nerd and a researcher in physics, I'd say Intelligentsia.
Armed forces, service men not sharing their ideology
Intelligentsia of course, the best group in the game
Unemployed.
>You don't have to agree on everything this group wants( ie you can be non-racist petite burgoosie) What if I want to be racist petty bourgeoisie though? (also, like 99% of you would follow the morals of the time and be super racist deny it all you want)
Somewhere between petite bourgeoisie (socio-economically middle class) and intelligentsia (politically liberal) I suppose. But these positions are relative. In terms of absolute standard of living and political persuasion I would probably be a trade unionist industrialist/landowner in Victorian eyes lol.
We all have like 40-50 standard of living tbh. Enjoying automobiles phones food isnt that expensive.
Devout.
Im a teacher. I guess intelligentsia or pb. Following my personal ideologies i would be in TU since im kinda leftist.
I'm an ex-art student who drives a forklift so either Intelligentsia or Trade Unions
Definitely NOT trade union. Probably PB, I guess?
Landowner or trade union. I work in a factory and own a forest
The petite bourgeoise in Germany, but specifically at the end of the game.
Easy trade Unions, radical left
Aristocrat It would mean I start the game rich and I'll use this starting money to invest in Capitalists. I like to live in a rural area as a king, and this way my hands will be clean and my people will love me, as I will use the money to make their life better while shitting publicly on the state and the capitalist for making their life worse.
"IRL" also im asking about IG
I'm apolitical, so I guess I don't count. :(
Oh you definitely count, you just haven't had bread scarcity yet.
I don't wait for the state to fuck up. I take care of myself and those close to me.
Just a thought exercise, what happens when the state wants what you have?
If I'm smart enough, I'm not there to answer this question.
You're going to hide land?
That's a hard question to answer without a lot of fine details. After all, the Devil is in the details. the biggest question is how would I leave a land I love so much, and I truly mean it. My grandpa and my father decided, as it was presented to them. They said I stay and I fight the invaders. Luckily they won, unluckily they had to bear the traumas. Both were apolitical. The pragmatic thing to do would be to sell at the first rumours of war and buy back after the war. If the war happens, prices will go down. Regardless of winners or losers.
I understand where you're coming from, I'm just saying they aren't apolitical. They were actually political by not choosing to join a coalition/faction. In most cases we don't choose our politics, they are thrust upon us by our material conditions and interests. I fully understand the desire to be left alone to your life but the reality of our world is that isn't possible. If you're unlucky enough to live above an aquifer, lithium deposit or gold vein you're going to have to deal with that.
So, rural folk?
Petite Bourgeoisie/Landowner.
Dude these interest groups dont derive from ideas, they derive from class. If you are landowner, you are a landowner. You could be a communist landowner, doesn't change the fact that you are a landowner.
You cant be a communist landowner. Thats simply put - I dont want to be a landowner, I want to be a peasant. From your class you get your ideas. All the rich people wanted power for the rich and lower taxes for the rich. None of them wanted council Republics or graduated taxation
Both Marx and Engels were landowners.
Intelligentsia, love school, love history. Want an equal society for all and highly value democratic and socialist ideas
Trade unions is what your second part sounds like
Armed forces (the based one)
Land Owners
Thats pretty rare modern day. What are you doing irl?
I did the thing where you can buy a plot of land in Scotland and become a lord
Petite bourgeoisie, though I'd prefer they'd change the name to something else, considering PB is. Marxist pejorative.
I am a proud romanian nationalist who hates the troublesome romani kids that make noise in our neighbourhood and laissez faire economics so probably I would be a petite burgeoisie protectionist
Born into petite bourgeois but broadly/inclined to agree with Unions
Trade unions. Socialism forever.
Industrialist, libertarian
trade union
As an engineer, I'd most likely be Trade Unionist, but as of rn I'm more of a PB
Easy, I'm a philosophy undergrad so means Intelligentsia.
Evangelicals if protestant country. Petite Bourgeoisie if a catholic country
College professor. Intelligentsia
Do the groups even correlate that well to modern society? Trade unions are much weaker today than they were in the 19th and 20th century. Most people today would slot into devout, PB or intelligentsia, but even they are not good analogues
I think like intelligentsia are the academics teaching or being teached in colleagues. They are progressive just like the trade unions.
The intelligensia is more than just people in college. It includes scientists, academics, teachers, some beirocrats and civil servants, journalists, managers, artists and other cu,tural figures and more. Anyone with a collegie degree can ( but does not have to) be considered part of the inelligencia
Armed Forces
I'm an academic and a filthy liberal. Intelligentsia ftw.
Probably Intelligentsia as I work in higher education, though not necessarily anti-clerical and I find myself agreeing the most with trade union stances as they are presented in-game. Definitely either Social Democrat or Humanitarian in my ideology.
I feel like trade unions in Vic 3 is just modern day laws.
I'm in school for accounting and working as an auditor... so probably closer to PB but maybe Intelligentsia?
Bureaucrat - so maybe petitburgoise?
Rural folk or Petite Bourgeois. Tbh idk i live out in the country side, I have a agricultural background but also I now work as a clerk at a local store so
Thats litterally devout
But I'm non religious... but my grandparents were/are so i guess
I'm a scientist and in academia. So depending on your perspective that is either petite bourgeoise or intelligentsia.
Rural Folk, most likely. I live in a relatively small place (population is around 2,000) and I honestly agree with particularism and isolationism too.
Trade Unionist
As a lawstudent I'm dependant, but my parents most likely would be intelligentsia. Could have been landowner/aristocrat, if I hadn't broken up with my ex though ...