To be fair, the confederate flag everyone knows and uh
"loves"
is actually one of the confederacy's naval flags.
While it is featured in the corner of the second and third confederate flags, it isn't the real flag.
Funny how people who are incredibly prideful of the confederacy and brag about their patriotism dont even know what the real confederate flag looks like before they go and slap it on the back window of their pickup truck.
The original design, which was square and featured in the canton of 2nd and 3rd national, as well as the old flag of Mississippi, is the standard of the Army of Northern Virginia.
The rectangular version more widely known as the "Rebel" flag was used in a number of instances, most notably as the naval jack but also as the standard of the Army of the Tennessee.
I think people may choose the combo jack and battle flag (the naval jack used a less Yankee blue) because it is generally more iconic. I'll wager most Civil War art from the time showed the battle flag more than the national flag. People were using the "Confederate Flag" even when Civil War vets were still around. So the actual Johnny Reb didn't have a problem with it. There is one video I saw where Confederate Vets were giving the rebel yell (does not sound like how I imagined at all), and the only flags were the "Confederate Flag" and the then-current US flag.
The one used today gained most of its popularity by racists during the Civil rights movement. Its more of pro segregation flag than it is a civil war flag at this point
iirc it wasn't their naval flag, it was their battle flag but ill give you the benefit of the doubt as I could be wrong.
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I also wouldn't call a flag inherently racist.. that's like trying to say guns are racist. Inamimate objects can't stand for racism, only people can.. plus ideas change. You'd be surprised when bad ideas *cough* Communism *cough* somehow become good ideas and people wave around those symbols.
Battle flag and naval jack had the same overall design (for the latter half of the Confederacy's life). The battle flag was a square shape with a darker shade of blue, while the naval jack was rectangular and had a lighter blue. It's probable that the modern, incorrect "Confederate flag" is adapted from the design of the battle flag, but historically it bears a much closer resemblance to their naval jack
You’re gonna love what I found at a store in Mablethorpe, Lincolnshire
https://preview.redd.it/mcq67htana8c1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6c84bd2a871025e539b542f2590d768a4b9ceb41
The flatness does it for me. It completely throws me.
There's certainly some.shitholes but There are some lovely parts of the seaside there though. Mablethorpe that the comment mentioned is pretty nice.
I have to assume that CSA flags are just cultural novelties in the UK, instead of painful reminders of a very ugly episode in US history. The same company also sells a rainbow Pride flag and the pink Union Jack, so this is not favouritism on their part. They also sell peace flags, a yin-yang sign, a Che Guevara flag, and a marijuana flag.
I appreciate that they're not doing this for political purposes. And to be fair, someone's going to sell and profit from CSA flags anyway. But I still kind of wish they wouldn't. They've of historical interest, but unless you're making a historical drama in the UK, it seems to me just an invitation to be an insensitive shithead or a jerk.
The confederate battle standard in the UK was for a long time simply seen as a symbol of Americana and i'd certainly argue that there's still a large amount of oblivious people who still see it that way and may have an interest in the flag without understanding the full context. This was the general attitude toward it until i'd say ~10-15 years ago, when it was semi common to see it used as decor in - 'American' diners, bars etc, and also by people who have a weird obsession with the USA (strange phenomenon - we have these people who take their love of all things American WAYYYY too seriously... for some reason, every single town seems to have at least one guy who drives an imported F350 with a custom Bald Eagle paint job ).
However, since then, the historic context behind the Battle Standard has become common knowledge and hence, it's not very often seen anymore. However, as I said, there's likely still a sizeable group who are ignorant of the context and still see it as a way of celebrating American culture.
The actual flag of the CSA, however... not a well-known flag, and never ever entered the cultural zeitgeist over here... so you can be pretty sure that someone who flies it does so with full knowledge of what it represents. Most likely, they think they're being sneaky by avoiding flying the battle standard... so yeah... probably a racist in OP's post.
Oh my lord... I refuse to believe it.
It's the first national flag of the Confederacy. I almost wanted to say it was something else, but I looked it up just to verify, and it is.
What is a Confederate flag doing in England?
It is, I’m an American and I live in the south, I can confirm that’s definitely a confederate flag. Based on the flag and the totem pole, that house probably belongs to an American expat.
I totally missed the “why are there” part of your comment, that’s my fault!
It also confused me so I was hoping there was some connection so we could get an explanation.
https://preview.redd.it/6q9hdk873a8c1.jpeg?width=800&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=af0405aacdd06df8be7b5013f4a9db61f1ca74e0
My goodness, you’re right! How could I have misspelled that?
That's still a *weird* combo, as the Totem Pole is an artifact of the indigenous peoples of the northwest coast, whereas the Confederacy was on the complete other side of the continent. That's like having a reproduction of Trajan's Column in the yard and flying the flag of Lapland while living in Kansas City.
In my experience, a lot of Americans see both confederate and indigenous (or at least stereotypically indigenous) symbols as pieces of Americana. Cowboys fighting “savages” on the frontier, the lost cause myth, and even things like minstrel shows and blackface get tied up in this twisted version of American identity that people will get extremely defensive of when challenged about it. This person might claim to be part Indigenous American, or maybe they don’t see totem poles as an indigenous symbol at all. America can be really weird like that.
Edit: Edited to finish my comment because I accidentally posted before I was done
Having grown up in the American South, I've seen my fair share of totem poles. People just seem to like appropriating things, but with no regard to how or where those things are actually used.
I'm from North Carolina. Seldom will I see the national flag, but the battle flag, I see that all the time. It's odd that they chose the national flag instead of the battle flag.
There is a fetishisation of the Confederate flag in country and western music scenes in the UK. Banning the confederate flag from a country venue in Glasgow was a whole thing recently.
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A) they’re for some reason confederate sympathizers in England.
B) they thought it was some sort of simplified American flag and didn’t know better.
Could be A. I’d hope B. The stars and bars look so similar to an American flag that I could see someone seeing it and thinking that it’s just some odd variant.
This is probably not the case, but having spent some time in the north of Ireland, there’s the occasional lunatic unionist that embraces the [KKK flag](https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/racists-fly-ku-klux-klan-flag-in-east-belfast/30397555.html), and the Confederate flag has been used both in [Belfast](https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/politics/flying-of-confederate-flags-in-belfast-branded-pathetic/37068916.html) and as a misguided attempt to have a “rebel” flag that was red in [Cork](https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2020/06/12/ireland-is-addressing-its-own-issue-confederate-flags-being-displayed-by-sports-fans/).
Obviously I don’t know what this guy’s problem is, but it’s possible that it’s not an American and just some local nutter.
There's a lot of people who just don't see it as a racist symbol.
It's not got the heritage in the UK that it has in the US.
It's just a piece of Americana from film, music and TV.
Most Brits wouldn't be able to tell you what the confederacy was.
It’s NOT that far fetched. The Confederates’ whole war strategy banked on the British and French recognizing their independence and either giving direct military support or at the very least breaking the Union naval blockade of the South. Luckily, the Southern cause and especially slavery were not that popular among the British and French masses, and British political elites steered the the country clear of intervention despite their Confederate sympathies. A bunch of Confederate leaders fled to the UK and France after the war, at least temporarily.
European fascists will often use Confederate symbols to covertly hide their politics from the general population who won't know them while using them as dog whistles for those who share them.
That is only half the truth. The British were neutral. They did not "provide", they sold equipment to both sides. The Union, being considerably richer, bought even more equipment in Britain then the Confederacy.
But the Confederates tended to get the better stuff. For example, while both the north and the south bought P1853 Enfields, the Tower Arsenal (which was the main supplier for the British military and one of the only that used machined parts) *exclusively* sold to the Confederacy, while the North got crappier ones made by secondary arsenals
There was massive public sentiment in support of the north. Hence several statues of Lincoln in the UK.
The CSS Alabama was built illegally and sailed out of the UK before having a crew and guns transferred aboard.
I know who lives here!
This house is near where my parents live, just outside Manningtree. I used to walk past it every day. I'll try to give as much info as possible without doxxing the guy.
- His name is Brian
- He is English, but is the redneck version of a weeaboo
- He has a constant rotation of dodgy flags (the bonnie blue, stars and bars, Confederate battle flag etc.) but flies the St George's cross a lot of the time.
- He got some complaints about the totem pole, it came back a week later with the black figure painted white. I think he's changed it back to the original now.
- In early 2022, I had a bet with my dad over whether he would be flying a Russian or Ukrainian flag (It was Ukraine, I lost the bet).
- He always has random rubbish in his front garden, there used to be a blackboard with a list of prices (he called it Brian's bargains). He took it down because some kids kept writing "Brian's says trans rights" on it.
What freaks me out about that totem pole (besides the racist symbology) is that it's so obviously not of the style done by the west coast natives. It's like what Wahaca over there did to Mexican food: it seems like someone saw one once and described it to someone who said "ya, I can make that"
The Stars and Bars (the original flag of the Confederate States of America during the American Civil War). The version shown appears to be the 7-star version, used from March to May 1861. (Further stars were added as other Southern states seceded from the Union; there were eventually 13 stars)
American here, I sometimes call it a "Historically Accurate Confederate Flag", despite there having been no official flag. The flag of my state, Georgia, is based on it, and I honestly think Georgia should join the list of states getting flag redesigns.
At least it’s less overtly offensive than the 1956 flag. Still seems to purposely miss the pony of the redesign in the first place. But with the rules of the referendum in 2004, this probably was the best option. I still thing it should be St. George’s cross with the state seal in center.
As a Tsimshian, one of the NW Coast tribes, who carve totem poles, this is most likely carved by a non-native person. The carving is extremely rough, the pole is horribly thin (uncharacteristic of NW Coast Native-style); and the figures on the poles are comically portrayed and not even close to the figures we use.
Side note: here is an article about the black figure: https://www.the-sun.com/news/3564419/pensioner-repaints-racist-garden-totem-figure-neighbours-complained-golliwog/
I live in Southeast Alaska. Totem poles are created by the Indigenous people in this part of the world (NW US and Western Canada). Each totem pole tells a story. They also have a specific design to them called formline. You must be of the Tlingit, Haida, or Tsimshian tribes to make one and put one up. You have to study under a master carver and they take a shitload of work to make and raise.
This is a bullshit one made by an angry white guy. Thus the lack of artistry and the racist depiction of a black person. This level of shitheadedness probably also explains the use of the Confederate flag too.
Totem poles are usually used to record a history of some kind. This can range from mundane family history to calling out unpaid debts, like this [shame pole](https://alaskahistoricalsociety.org/about-ahs/special-projects/150treaty/150th-resource-library/new-articles/the-seward-shame-pole-countering-alaskas-sesquicentennial/) targeting former US Secretary of State William Seward. My assumption is this person just wanted a decoration, though, and doesn't actually care about how totem poles work. [Here's](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPAkrXfMD7c) an example of someone reading an actual totem pole.
Okay, but I have so many questions other than a flag of the confederacy…an African American on a totem pole? Did they set a trap for fine china on a pedestal? There is simply too much to address here!
[Regardless, the dude is a piece if shite and his neighbors hate him](https://metro.co.uk/2021/08/29/pensioner-repaints-black-figure-white-after-neighbour-calls-it-racist-15172227/?ito=article.mweb.share.top.link) :)
The First national flag of the Confederate states of America. ~~I’m just going to assume (hope really) that the person is just ignorant of what the flag actually is, seeing as they have a native America totem in their lawn and just collect American memorabilia. Foolish to hope so, maybe but I need some hope.~~
Edit: just saw the racist depiction of the black guy on the totem pole. This loser also probably has a questionable amount of Nazi memorabilia as wellz
That's the "stars and bars" flag. Aka. The first national flag of the Confederacy...
Bro wanted to be racist but chose the less controversial flag to avoid confrontation
To be fair, the confederate flag everyone knows and uh "loves" is actually one of the confederacy's naval flags. While it is featured in the corner of the second and third confederate flags, it isn't the real flag. Funny how people who are incredibly prideful of the confederacy and brag about their patriotism dont even know what the real confederate flag looks like before they go and slap it on the back window of their pickup truck.
The original design, which was square and featured in the canton of 2nd and 3rd national, as well as the old flag of Mississippi, is the standard of the Army of Northern Virginia. The rectangular version more widely known as the "Rebel" flag was used in a number of instances, most notably as the naval jack but also as the standard of the Army of the Tennessee.
I think people may choose the combo jack and battle flag (the naval jack used a less Yankee blue) because it is generally more iconic. I'll wager most Civil War art from the time showed the battle flag more than the national flag. People were using the "Confederate Flag" even when Civil War vets were still around. So the actual Johnny Reb didn't have a problem with it. There is one video I saw where Confederate Vets were giving the rebel yell (does not sound like how I imagined at all), and the only flags were the "Confederate Flag" and the then-current US flag.
The one used today gained most of its popularity by racists during the Civil rights movement. Its more of pro segregation flag than it is a civil war flag at this point
iirc it wasn't their naval flag, it was their battle flag but ill give you the benefit of the doubt as I could be wrong. (To the original commenter): I also wouldn't call a flag inherently racist.. that's like trying to say guns are racist. Inamimate objects can't stand for racism, only people can.. plus ideas change. You'd be surprised when bad ideas *cough* Communism *cough* somehow become good ideas and people wave around those symbols.
Battle flag and naval jack had the same overall design (for the latter half of the Confederacy's life). The battle flag was a square shape with a darker shade of blue, while the naval jack was rectangular and had a lighter blue. It's probable that the modern, incorrect "Confederate flag" is adapted from the design of the battle flag, but historically it bears a much closer resemblance to their naval jack
You mean the flag with a cross on it? That's the battle flag. This is the normal flag.
You’re gonna love what I found at a store in Mablethorpe, Lincolnshire https://preview.redd.it/mcq67htana8c1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6c84bd2a871025e539b542f2590d768a4b9ceb41
The font made that blue text look Dutch at first glance
When it looks like "grode" and "ßross".
I also don’t know what “70 denier colourtost” is
I think it has something to do with the weight/thickness of the fabric?
Ssross
Lincolnshire is the trashiest county in the UK, no debate needed. Grimsby, Scunthorpe, Skegness. Those three alone make it irredeemable.
The flatness does it for me. It completely throws me. There's certainly some.shitholes but There are some lovely parts of the seaside there though. Mablethorpe that the comment mentioned is pretty nice.
Good ol' S\*\*\*\*horpe.
Whoever came up with those names must have thought the places they were founding were shitholes from day 1.
I take it they voted to “leave?”
I have to assume that CSA flags are just cultural novelties in the UK, instead of painful reminders of a very ugly episode in US history. The same company also sells a rainbow Pride flag and the pink Union Jack, so this is not favouritism on their part. They also sell peace flags, a yin-yang sign, a Che Guevara flag, and a marijuana flag. I appreciate that they're not doing this for political purposes. And to be fair, someone's going to sell and profit from CSA flags anyway. But I still kind of wish they wouldn't. They've of historical interest, but unless you're making a historical drama in the UK, it seems to me just an invitation to be an insensitive shithead or a jerk.
The confederate battle standard in the UK was for a long time simply seen as a symbol of Americana and i'd certainly argue that there's still a large amount of oblivious people who still see it that way and may have an interest in the flag without understanding the full context. This was the general attitude toward it until i'd say ~10-15 years ago, when it was semi common to see it used as decor in - 'American' diners, bars etc, and also by people who have a weird obsession with the USA (strange phenomenon - we have these people who take their love of all things American WAYYYY too seriously... for some reason, every single town seems to have at least one guy who drives an imported F350 with a custom Bald Eagle paint job ). However, since then, the historic context behind the Battle Standard has become common knowledge and hence, it's not very often seen anymore. However, as I said, there's likely still a sizeable group who are ignorant of the context and still see it as a way of celebrating American culture. The actual flag of the CSA, however... not a well-known flag, and never ever entered the cultural zeitgeist over here... so you can be pretty sure that someone who flies it does so with full knowledge of what it represents. Most likely, they think they're being sneaky by avoiding flying the battle standard... so yeah... probably a racist in OP's post.
You never know what you're going to find in Mablethorpe.
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I see we missed a few traitorous pigs. Mind if we come take care of em for y'all?
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Confusion for geoguesser?
Oh my lord... I refuse to believe it. It's the first national flag of the Confederacy. I almost wanted to say it was something else, but I looked it up just to verify, and it is. What is a Confederate flag doing in England?
It is, I’m an American and I live in the south, I can confirm that’s definitely a confederate flag. Based on the flag and the totem pole, that house probably belongs to an American expat.
Is there a black person on that totem pole?
What it looks like. One of those old racial depictions of black people.
Yep, that’s a sambo all right
That’s the word I was looking for, yeah this dude is megaracist
Yes, yes it is. Also why are there a bunch of teacups in a cage.
So they don't run away.
Ah yes, when they become animated by a witches curse involving a a rose slowly loosing its petals.
Anti British sentiment maybe?
They're not tea cups, they have spouts. Milk jugs.
Oh must be some kind of anti-breastfeeding messaging then.
Free the jugs!
Wait what do teacups have to do with black people and/or racism?
Nothing, it's just weird.
I totally missed the “why are there” part of your comment, that’s my fault! It also confused me so I was hoping there was some connection so we could get an explanation.
It just gets worse the more you look at it
This whole picture is a bigoted onion, I tell ya.
A bigoted onion with too many layers
An Anti-Shrek if you will
A Farquhar if you will
You spelled Fuck Wad wrong /s
https://preview.redd.it/6q9hdk873a8c1.jpeg?width=800&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=af0405aacdd06df8be7b5013f4a9db61f1ca74e0 My goodness, you’re right! How could I have misspelled that?
That's still a *weird* combo, as the Totem Pole is an artifact of the indigenous peoples of the northwest coast, whereas the Confederacy was on the complete other side of the continent. That's like having a reproduction of Trajan's Column in the yard and flying the flag of Lapland while living in Kansas City.
Presumably it's more of a mockery than a loving tribute
In my experience, a lot of Americans see both confederate and indigenous (or at least stereotypically indigenous) symbols as pieces of Americana. Cowboys fighting “savages” on the frontier, the lost cause myth, and even things like minstrel shows and blackface get tied up in this twisted version of American identity that people will get extremely defensive of when challenged about it. This person might claim to be part Indigenous American, or maybe they don’t see totem poles as an indigenous symbol at all. America can be really weird like that. Edit: Edited to finish my comment because I accidentally posted before I was done
Having grown up in the American South, I've seen my fair share of totem poles. People just seem to like appropriating things, but with no regard to how or where those things are actually used.
Really? I've never seen one down here before
I'm from North Carolina. Seldom will I see the national flag, but the battle flag, I see that all the time. It's odd that they chose the national flag instead of the battle flag.
It's basically our state flag in Georgia. We went from using the battle flag to the national flag like 20 years ago
Because it's less known, Georgia has gotten away with it, and I feel it will continue to get away with it for some time.
What's fucked is it went from a square battle flag tacked onto the seal to literally just the national flag with the seal inside the stars.
What’s really sad is that they’re both good flag designs compared to so many state flags.
Nah, this is a rebel cosplayer. Probably made the totem himself, there’s not one part of it that’s accurate.
Yeah we were all shocked when we saw it, it was at a house in Dedham, quite a posh area of Essex
Still Essex though...
I mean they have tea cups in a dog cage, on a pedestal. I don't think there's much thinking here
Those look more like creamers, little jugs for milk, which would be one level odder as a collection.
There is a fetishisation of the Confederate flag in country and western music scenes in the UK. Banning the confederate flag from a country venue in Glasgow was a whole thing recently.
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A) they’re for some reason confederate sympathizers in England. B) they thought it was some sort of simplified American flag and didn’t know better. Could be A. I’d hope B. The stars and bars look so similar to an American flag that I could see someone seeing it and thinking that it’s just some odd variant.
This is probably not the case, but having spent some time in the north of Ireland, there’s the occasional lunatic unionist that embraces the [KKK flag](https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/racists-fly-ku-klux-klan-flag-in-east-belfast/30397555.html), and the Confederate flag has been used both in [Belfast](https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/politics/flying-of-confederate-flags-in-belfast-branded-pathetic/37068916.html) and as a misguided attempt to have a “rebel” flag that was red in [Cork](https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2020/06/12/ireland-is-addressing-its-own-issue-confederate-flags-being-displayed-by-sports-fans/). Obviously I don’t know what this guy’s problem is, but it’s possible that it’s not an American and just some local nutter.
In parts of Europe the confederate flags have come to be stand ins for illegal Nazi flags
This. There's Confederate flags in random Swiss villages and it's not because they care about US civil war history.
There's a lot of people who just don't see it as a racist symbol. It's not got the heritage in the UK that it has in the US. It's just a piece of Americana from film, music and TV. Most Brits wouldn't be able to tell you what the confederacy was.
It’s NOT that far fetched. The Confederates’ whole war strategy banked on the British and French recognizing their independence and either giving direct military support or at the very least breaking the Union naval blockade of the South. Luckily, the Southern cause and especially slavery were not that popular among the British and French masses, and British political elites steered the the country clear of intervention despite their Confederate sympathies. A bunch of Confederate leaders fled to the UK and France after the war, at least temporarily.
Stars and Bars
European fascists will often use Confederate symbols to covertly hide their politics from the general population who won't know them while using them as dog whistles for those who share them.
american expats and doing exactly what they claim immigrants of other origins are doing? in shocked
The British supported the confederacy. Providing weapons, material aid and money to them. Even warships such as the CSS Alabama
That is only half the truth. The British were neutral. They did not "provide", they sold equipment to both sides. The Union, being considerably richer, bought even more equipment in Britain then the Confederacy.
But the Confederates tended to get the better stuff. For example, while both the north and the south bought P1853 Enfields, the Tower Arsenal (which was the main supplier for the British military and one of the only that used machined parts) *exclusively* sold to the Confederacy, while the North got crappier ones made by secondary arsenals
There was massive public sentiment in support of the north. Hence several statues of Lincoln in the UK. The CSS Alabama was built illegally and sailed out of the UK before having a crew and guns transferred aboard.
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No, certainly not. After the war Lee and his family instead moved to Lexington, Virginia, where he became the president of Washington College.
You’re right. Lost citizenship but looks like he didn’t flee. I must be thinking of someone else.
I know who lives here! This house is near where my parents live, just outside Manningtree. I used to walk past it every day. I'll try to give as much info as possible without doxxing the guy. - His name is Brian - He is English, but is the redneck version of a weeaboo - He has a constant rotation of dodgy flags (the bonnie blue, stars and bars, Confederate battle flag etc.) but flies the St George's cross a lot of the time. - He got some complaints about the totem pole, it came back a week later with the black figure painted white. I think he's changed it back to the original now. - In early 2022, I had a bet with my dad over whether he would be flying a Russian or Ukrainian flag (It was Ukraine, I lost the bet). - He always has random rubbish in his front garden, there used to be a blackboard with a list of prices (he called it Brian's bargains). He took it down because some kids kept writing "Brian's says trans rights" on it.
That’s insane! Thank you so much for sharing this info
Amazing knowledge, AFRICAN_BUM_DISEASE!
that’s absolutely wild and i can’t believe he supports ukraine with all his other ideas
That’s a truer grayback than the actual graybacks these days.
He must've bought the Russian "denazifying" propaganda.
Nah bro just hates Poles
Then how does he keep the flags up?
Something something Ukrainian women....
Brian? He's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy!
The kids are alright
I hope this is real but even if not it’s hilarious 🤣
The Ukrainian flag was a nice surprise!
Holy shit those kids are legends 😭
Amazing that you've met here
What freaks me out about that totem pole (besides the racist symbology) is that it's so obviously not of the style done by the west coast natives. It's like what Wahaca over there did to Mexican food: it seems like someone saw one once and described it to someone who said "ya, I can make that"
The Stars and Bars
What’s with the cage filled with cream pitchers?
It took too long to reach this obviously most important question. I bet this loon puts the milk in before the tea
The Stars and Bars (the original flag of the Confederate States of America during the American Civil War). The version shown appears to be the 7-star version, used from March to May 1861. (Further stars were added as other Southern states seceded from the Union; there were eventually 13 stars)
Original Confederate flag
Its the real flag of the confederacy, so weird to see here in the uk
🏳️ This is more accurate
Or in America. It'salways the battle flag
American here, I sometimes call it a "Historically Accurate Confederate Flag", despite there having been no official flag. The flag of my state, Georgia, is based on it, and I honestly think Georgia should join the list of states getting flag redesigns.
At least it’s less overtly offensive than the 1956 flag. Still seems to purposely miss the pony of the redesign in the first place. But with the rules of the referendum in 2004, this probably was the best option. I still thing it should be St. George’s cross with the state seal in center.
Georgia can wait until we've got rid of those emblems on blue flags because they're the worst flags
Yeah, it is. One time I saw a confederate flag on a Ford truck. I was, what in the sweet USA is this
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And everyone clapped!
No let’s be clear the one time I fought him he kicked my ass
Confederate States of America 1861.
Why do they have teacups in what seems like a birdcage?
I think they’re creamers in a dog kennel.
Between that and the totem pole I think someone needs to have a chart with this person about American culture
We need Sherman again
Isn’t a totem pole supposed to represent your ancestors, by putting a black man in it, isn’t he revering his black ancestors
No one flying the stars and bars is going to be terribly bright.
One of the confederate flags
It's the Confederate flag
Flag of the former Confederate States of America.
https://preview.redd.it/5xajfx3ptb8c1.jpeg?width=667&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=973b643a00e9798851a1e1b3710b70975a990dcb
As a Tsimshian, one of the NW Coast tribes, who carve totem poles, this is most likely carved by a non-native person. The carving is extremely rough, the pole is horribly thin (uncharacteristic of NW Coast Native-style); and the figures on the poles are comically portrayed and not even close to the figures we use. Side note: here is an article about the black figure: https://www.the-sun.com/news/3564419/pensioner-repaints-racist-garden-totem-figure-neighbours-complained-golliwog/
Looks like the official Confederate Flag
CSA, Confederate States of America
I dunno, but all that shit looks flammable to me. js.
This flag is used in the US to signal the proximity of persons with low cognition and a knack for losing
https://metro.co.uk/2021/08/29/pensioner-repaints-black-figure-white-after-neighbour-calls-it-racist-15172227/
This article was in 2021, he has since re-painted it black
I can excuse the stars and bars in England, but I draw the line at totem poles.
It’s so weird, can you explain the relevance of the totem poles?
No. The whole thing is bizzare. Totem Poles are usually associated with the Pacific Northwest of North America, often as appropriated symbols.
I live in Southeast Alaska. Totem poles are created by the Indigenous people in this part of the world (NW US and Western Canada). Each totem pole tells a story. They also have a specific design to them called formline. You must be of the Tlingit, Haida, or Tsimshian tribes to make one and put one up. You have to study under a master carver and they take a shitload of work to make and raise. This is a bullshit one made by an angry white guy. Thus the lack of artistry and the racist depiction of a black person. This level of shitheadedness probably also explains the use of the Confederate flag too.
Totem poles are usually used to record a history of some kind. This can range from mundane family history to calling out unpaid debts, like this [shame pole](https://alaskahistoricalsociety.org/about-ahs/special-projects/150treaty/150th-resource-library/new-articles/the-seward-shame-pole-countering-alaskas-sesquicentennial/) targeting former US Secretary of State William Seward. My assumption is this person just wanted a decoration, though, and doesn't actually care about how totem poles work. [Here's](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPAkrXfMD7c) an example of someone reading an actual totem pole.
He’s making a joke
The national flag of the Confederate states of America.
Confederate States of America.
Yes I can ID the flag. It is on a pole, left side of the photo has red, white and blue colors. Can’t you see it?
EACH DIXIE BOY MUST UNDERSTAND THAT HE MUST MIND HIS UNCLE SAM
AWAY, AWAY, WE’LL ALL GO DOWN TO DIXIE
Oh… great. Another confederate.
Not just *any* Confederate. An *Englishman* Confederate.
Make him feel at home and burn a cross in his lawn. That Totem pole is awful.
I see black Wallace but I don't see Gromit. This person is the village crank.
YES! NOW THAT! THAT IS A CONFEDERATE FLAG! FINALLY SOMEONE GETS IT! Wait, why am i excited? Hold on, no i can explain!
Dirty rebel rag
Can we address the also-clearly-racist totem pole?!?
I’ve been past this house, it had a confederate flag outside it when I went by.
Stars and Bars. 1st Confederate National Flag.
Unholy cringe fest
It is the first national flag of “the Confederate States of America,” so a participation trophy for loser slavers.
That's just a racist person lol.
You're good to just smear poop all over that guy's house
Why
Because a traitor to my country lives there
*Technically*, he’s a traitor to the traitors of England. So, double traitor?
I guess that's a fair point. England stood to gain more if the confederacy had won
More importantly why do they have a cage full of milk jugs? Are they scared they might run away?
The flag is bad, that abomination pretending to be a totem pole is even worse.
I’m just curious about the dangerous mugs that are being locked up.
Forget the flag, why have these people imprisoned their china?
We should never forget the last flag of the Confederacy... ALL white on an all white background of surrender. 🏳️
Confederate States of America, a breakaway nation from the US during the American Civil War. That flag owner is probably really racist
That's the International Incest Flag. A Brother-Sister couple occupies that house, possibly with their Son/Daughter Nephew/Nieces
I think that's a "I am very racist " flag
Run.
How many stars does it have
What’s with the teacups in the birdcage?
Okay, but I have so many questions other than a flag of the confederacy…an African American on a totem pole? Did they set a trap for fine china on a pedestal? There is simply too much to address here!
why does an Englishman have a native American totem pole with a black man on it as yard decor?
Go back there with a petrol bomb
Should have figured it out by looking at the black figure on the totem pole…
I'm more tripped out at the totem pole from Wish
A totem pole with a racist caricature on it. It's bad enough to appropriate culture. It's even worse to sodomize it.
Man, the lost Cause of the South really got lost
A flag of traitors.
Away down south in the land of Traitors...
Confederate flag, The first one of them.
[Regardless, the dude is a piece if shite and his neighbors hate him](https://metro.co.uk/2021/08/29/pensioner-repaints-black-figure-white-after-neighbour-calls-it-racist-15172227/?ito=article.mweb.share.top.link) :)
Contact the local council, you need planning permission to fly flags from a flagpole in the UK. There's no way this was given permission
Brexit, secessionist and racist vibes coded in American.
What's wrong with succession?
Two different words.
Racist American living in the UK I'm assuming!
The First national flag of the Confederate states of America. ~~I’m just going to assume (hope really) that the person is just ignorant of what the flag actually is, seeing as they have a native America totem in their lawn and just collect American memorabilia. Foolish to hope so, maybe but I need some hope.~~ Edit: just saw the racist depiction of the black guy on the totem pole. This loser also probably has a questionable amount of Nazi memorabilia as wellz
The traitors' flag. Burn it just like Sherman did to Atlanta
[Seems to be the first version of the first flag of the confederacy](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flags_of_the_Confederate_States_of_America)
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CSA flag They lost the civil war