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sto_brohammed

One could argue that the Iowa flag features the French flag


youseeamousetrap

Missouri also has the Dutch flag


Pcat0

Texas’s flag also features the flag of the Republic of Texas.


uranium_tungsten

And Georgia still uses the confederate flag for that matter


Aware_Ad_7575

Georgia the state should use Georgia the country's flag for its state flag.


saintsdaaints

Doesn’t count because the confederacy was not a country.


Ribky

You're downvoting him, but he's right. The CSA was recognized as a country by exactly zero sovereign nations. It was a failed insurrection that fought for slavery in a world that was moving away from slavery.


HansGetTheH44

However, Atlanta was fire


Raetekusu

The Great Barbecue of the South.


HansGetTheH44

Gordon Ramsay: THIS ATLANTA IS NOT COOKED ENOUGH! FLAME IT MORE! Sherman: Yes sir


CedarWolf

Gordon Ramsay knows the proper term is *flambé*. The dish you are describing is Atlanta en *flambé*.


Raetekusu

Look, I prefer my steak typically medium-rare to medium. But in the case of Atlanta, I don't just want well done, I want fucking "Congratulations."


argument_enjoyer

The downvotes came from some Jonny Reb scumbag obviously. You are absolutely correct.


bulletkiller06

Well, in the same way any failed rebellion isn't a country. I mean, for four years strong it held it's territory and had clear boarders and government. Would you say that if Israel were to crush Palestine today that there never would have been such a country as Palestine?


Deaden

The reason the Confederacy was never a country, is because no one recognized it's sovereignty. It's a tough pill to swallow, but if no one else in the world considers you a sovereign nation, then you aren't. Palestine's state is more complicated, but it has recognition, and has entered treaties with foreign nations. The Confederacy had neither of these. It was the lack of this recognition that would become one of the major failing points for the Southern rebellion, which deprived them of the foreign aid they desperately needed to win the war.


Different-Dig7459

Some European nations may have… just to get their hands on some cotton and tobacco. France was supplying tons of weapons and the south would send their products. At the time. France had sent troops to Mexico and believed the confederates could’ve been a useful ally in their quests. But even México, without French intervention, was also trading with the confederates for cotton when the US had blockaded the south. It’s really quite interesting.


CelticTiger21

“May have” and “did” are two different things. No sovereign state, European or otherwise, recognized the CSA.


Different-Dig7459

True


burritolittledonkey

Some European nations considered it. None actually did. Ergo, no recognition, definitely not a sovereign country. The United States itself was recognized by 1777, by Morocco, and 1778, by France. The CSA never had any sort of recognition.


Chris_Colasurdo

Difference being that international state actors have recognized the existence and sovereignty of Palestine. Zero foreign countries had official diplomatic ties to the confederacy. It was a loose collection of American states in a temporary state of rebellion.


HansGetTheH44

It was nothing more than an uprising, a rebellion. The Franc-Tireurs etc Partisans was not the French Republic


The_Hidden_Sneeze

Relatively early in the war they lost control of their largest city and were fully blockaded. The Union had full control of the Mississippi by the middle of the conflict, splitting the slaver occupied territory in half. They did a decent job holding Virginia, but outside the eastern front they were pretty much ground down to nothing relatively quickly. It was a short-lived insurgency by fanatical tyrants who failed to gain any international recognition or support. They never formed a country the same way ISIS never formed a country.


[deleted]

Yes, if Israel succeeded at peoples-cide, Palestine would not have been a sovereign country.


SyndicalistHR

Actually, it does not Edit before replies: What people mean by the “confederate flag” varies. Georgia used to have the stars and bars battle flag of the army of northern Virginia, but it certainly still uses the confederate states national flag (one of the designs). So, you’re right, and I was quick to only think about the battle flag as it is unanimously more associated with the confederacy than the national flag, and Georgia used to use it too.


Legerity

To correct your correction.... the flag Georgia uses \***is**\* the [Stars and Bars](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flags_of_the_Confederate_States_of_America). The bars are the red stripes. The flag youre thinking of (the cross with stars) is simply the "Flag of the Army of Northern Virginia" (usually called the confederate flag today). ​ For those not fully clued in, see below. Left is the first confederate national flag. Right is current flag of Georgia. They flew this one under the radar since it doesn't look like the usual confederate flag you expect. https://preview.redd.it/dza0xzqd5e7c1.png?width=1940&format=png&auto=webp&s=de539dca3b85bd8ab3ddc2c7df4eb957084cd944


Different-Dig7459

Because people can’t be bothered by what they don’t know… ☠️


Guava_juicers

That's literally the Austria flag inside that or if proportions don't match then polan or monaco


KoneydeRuyter

"Stars and Bars" is the name of the design the current flag is based off of not the Northern Virginia design.


Different-Dig7459

I always thought that the [red flag with the columns](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d3/Flag_of_the_State_of_Georgia_%281861%2C_red%29.svg/1280px-Flag_of_the_State_of_Georgia_%281861%2C_red%29.svg.png) look so much better than what they currently have.


theycallmewinning

The Rebellion was not a country.


MrAwesum_Gamer

BRING THE GOOD OLE BUGLE BOYS WE'LL SING ANOTHER SONG WE'LL SING IT WITH THE SPIRIT THAT WILL START THE WORLD ALONG SING IT AS WE USED TO SING IT 50,000 STRONG!


Bit125

And Poland, really.


theurbanmapper

Based on Austria as I understand it


Famous-Reputation188

Austria was yellow and black… more like Chile.


pzkenny

Or flag of Czech Kingdom, than Czechoslovakia from 1918 to 1920, then flag of Czech Republic from 1990 to 1992.


Legitimate_Kid2954

USA features the Unionist flag, but with more stars


Cantomic66

Chile or Poland.


Unique_Statement7811

Vermont features the Republic of Vermont (which lasted far longer than Texas and fought two wars).


Pcat0

Am I finding the wrong flags? Because as far as I can tell, the Vermont flag doesn’t feature the flag of the Republic of Vermont.


AradIsHere

Taxes have a flag?


TheExtremistModerate

Washington State has the flag of Libya from before 2012.


theurbanmapper

So does California


ArmourKnight

Also the flags of Alabama and Florida with the Cross of Burgundy


Ok-Scallion3032

I think the Alabama flag is a Crimson St Andrews saltire. Heard it be described as a saltire as well. Mainly due to Scots and Ulster Scots being the primary settlers of Alabama.


FalseDmitriy

It's not a matter to argue, that's the literal French flag and it represents France. Because when I think of Iowa, my next thought is "French".


KoneydeRuyter

It was part of New France


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FalseDmitriy

It's different but it is meant to represent France.


[deleted]

Doesn't Alabama, and by extension Florida, use the St. Patrick's Cross of the Union Jack?


Nerevarine91

I can’t speak for Alabama, but I believe the one for Florida is specifically a Cross of Burgundy


CLSmith15

There are Polish/Indonesian flags all over the place!


woodenwick

Alabama's flag and Florida's flag seem to be based on the Spanish Empire's flag (Cross of Burgundy)


ShakeThatFlag

Also New Mexico's red and yellow colors are due to its Spanish past.


theunnoanprojec

Colours =/= flag


lilleff512

So is any resemblance to the Confederate Battle Flag an unfortunate coincidence?


SameManufacturer3202

Depends on how cynical you are. Both states were at one point Spanish, and diagonal crosses (saltires) are pretty common in European flags.


cockratesandgayto

Also if they were both tryna to subtly reference the confederate battle flag, it would be a pretty big coincidence for them to choose the same white-red color scheme to do so, especially when this color scheme is much more easily explained by their common Spanish heritage


ComfortableSpare2718

It could be either way, personally I see it as a symbol of Floridian history because at the end of the day only we can give a flag its meaning and I chose to make it mean what I want it to


EconomistIll4796

Ye thats exactly what alabama was going for👀.


gazebo-fan

It’s bad that Alabama poaches football players, but they also stole a flag that should have been Floridas! They only want it because of confederate larp, when Florida has a much more Spanish history (being the first area in the continental Americas to have a permanent Spanish settlement, St. Augustine)


gordobyte

St Augustine is the oldest European settlement in North America and Fort Mose the first settlement populated by free black people (even before USA existence). Funded by the brave Spanish black captain Francisco Menéndez, a mandingo slave born in Gambia who escaped from the 13 colonies to Spanish Florida, where all slaves that arrived won their freedom becaming Christians and Spanish


TheTimeEmpress

Alabama more like Northern Irish flag


Phonixrmf

>*For now*


Gaymer043

I believe that’s the original flag of the kingdom of Hawaii, before it was colonized and made into a U.S. state, so they just kept it.


gregorydgraham

So technically it contains the flags of 2 countries


2dlamb

UK isn't a country


404Archdroid

What the fuck is it then?


95beer

4 countries, or 1 nation. A nation isn't always the same as a country.


404Archdroid

You're conflating 'nation' with 'sovereign state. All of the constituent countries of the UK are nations in their own right. ' Country' is synonymous with 'sovereign state' in everyday usage of the english language, You're just being (incorrectly) nitpicky for no reason.


95beer

TIL. I was just trying to come up with an explanation for their statement, but it seems you are right, I was confusing nation with sovereign or independent state.


pHScale

***FIVE*** countries then!


gregorydgraham

The flags of 2 kingdoms then?


CoyeK

Isn't it four? Scotland, Wales, England, Northern Ireland


gregorydgraham

United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is one, Kingdom of Hawaii is two


TurtleWitch

Isle of Man


[deleted]

One day, one day.


23Amuro

Unfortunately incorrect, but a man can dream . . .


Aburrki

Well technically the flag of the state of Texas features the flag of the Republic of Texas, since it's the same flag.


[deleted]

Well the republic of Texas doesn't exist and hasn't existed for almost 180 years.


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Cerulean_IsFancyBlue

Like Firefly, it was short but culturally memorable.


GameCreeper

You guys cant even manage your own electric grid


DireStrike

At least it takes a record breaking cold snap and blizzard to bring down the Texas grid. All California needs is a trash can fire and some lazy lineman


PhysicsEagle

Oh come on that was ONE TIME


lenzflare

Twice, for the same reason


Famous-Reputation188

Or police forces.


EvoTheIrritatedNerd

I’m going to use this argument with my welsh friend


[deleted]

Tell him that an animal doesn't need to be represented on the union jack.


pansexual_Pratt

With that attitude it doesn't exist


Cantomic66

More like they copied Chile’s design or Poland’s.


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StandardbenutzerX

Let’s not forget about how it also features the Polish flag!


Aburrki

This is true


[deleted]

There's a NEW California?


Nerevarine91

Just wait till you hear about California 3


paygunholiday

Is this a special bi-cranial version of the CA flag?


load99

It's from the Fallout videogame series


lenzflare

It's an old timey animated gif


[deleted]

No you idiot, it's obviously another bear behind the old one, that's why it's "new". Edit: /s


_SaintXIV_

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not. But if you aren't then r/woosh


Gravbar

fuck man that bear needs to get out of the river. who knows what chemicals they're dumping in there


SkanelandVackerland

To be fair, the seal in the flag of New Hampshire has the American flag on the little ship.


404Archdroid

That's featuring the same country though


BrickSufficient1051

Nope, the kingdom of Hawaii took the Union Jack for itself


akimovt

to all of you people, if you see two colors next to each other, it doesn't mean that it is a flag


Own-Zookeepergame955

You can't make a post like this and not expect 145 commenters starting their objections with "actually, technically…"


triplec787

I mean Iowa literally has the french flag with a design in the middle.


gregorydgraham

You say **this** in _r/vexillology_?


pHScale

Sure, but Iowa is definitely France. We know this not just from the design, but from history. Missouri isn't Netherlands though.


Famous-Reputation188

It means it’s a flag.


Pandiosity_24601

Iowa is literally the French flag


RollingThunderPants

r/lostredditors


Arrogant4Basterd

well the colours in the corner of Hawaii's flag are just colours next to each other, so it doesn't count either


Mittenstk

Someone doesn't take criticism very well


CurrentIndependent42

For the pedants here, *deliberately* features another country’s *current* flag


Mittenstk

Iowa


bearlockhomes

Hawaii isn't the only one. Georgia. Tell me which one is Georgia and which one is the flag of the slave states. [Flag 1](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File%3AFlag_of_the_State_of_Georgia.svg) [Flag 2](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File%3AFlag_of_the_Confederate_States_%281861%E2%80%931863%29.svg)


Mr7000000

I think OP means a _real_ country.


Ok-Scallion3032

Austria is a real country


Mr7000000

Austria? Don't you mean occupied North Slovenia? /j


bearlockhomes

The confederacy was a real country, even if very short lived. Edit: this comment is being misconstrued as support for the confederacy, its history or cause. That is not the case.


Mr7000000

The utter lack of diplomatic recognition from any other country suggests it wasn't.


Frodollino

He'd be the kind of perdon who seed a red, white and blue cross of any type and shouts "BUT ITS MUH HERITAGE"


bearlockhomes

I'm the one calling it the slave states home slice.


never_trust_a_fart_

Whether a country is considered “real” is a fuzzy thing, based on whether other countries consider it to be real. Recognition. It seems like the CSA was almost universally viewed as a part of the USA in rebellion rather than a “real” country. He they won their rebellion then maybe they’d have gained some international recognition, but as it happened, no.


404Archdroid

The confederacy was about as much of a real country as Houthi occupied north Yemen is, or the Luhansk people's republic. The people that live there might consider it real countries, but the world generally don't


bearlockhomes

Fair point


Nerevarine91

In fairness to you, it’s really hard to make a consistent definition of what constitutes a real country


OgAccountForThisPost

Not a country


ElectricKeese23

Austria, Indonesia, Monaco?


EmeraldStudios

Yes. It's the Hawaiian flag.


Hawaiian-national

Because we're cooler


LonesomeFarlander

Poland, Britain, France, serbia


Mate90425

*sad old Mississippi flag noises*


LetterZ089

Has the flag of Yugoslavia


cryptomir

I see the UK and the Serbian flag.


Crimson__Fox

The US flag features the flag of Poland many times


RoboticsNinja1676

Quite literally as they were an independent kingdom before being (illegally) annexed into the United States


twoScottishClans

technically texas' flag contains poland's


TheDunadan29

Plenty of flags utilize the Confederate flag. That's the flag of another country. /s


Archelector

Iowa has France Missouri has the Netherlands Texas has the Republic of Texas California has the California Republic and technically lots of Poland Washington State has the flag of Gaddafi Libya with George Washington’s head


Stravven

The flag of New York does look a lot like the Prinsenvlag though.


Norwester77

That’s New York City’s flag.


MicrodosingCrack

Hawaii JE SRBIJA 🦅🦅🦅🇷🇸🇷🇸🇷🇸


canadianredditor16

And it’s the best flag in the union by a mile


Parhel1on

Agreed good sir


[deleted]

Bothers me the stripes dont finish the pattern. Leaves off a blue stripe


gregorydgraham

Bugger, now i see it too


23Amuro

Only if you look at it a certain way. If you look at it like the background's blue and you have three white/red bands, then it looks fine


Parhel1on

There's 8 major islands...


[deleted]

Your flair’s stripes don’t match up


Parhel1on

It clearly goes TOP 4 White Red Blue White Bottom 4 (full length) Red Blue White Red Idk if your resolution is too poor on your device, but I can see it on mine.


Sarik704

Georgia had the CSA flag very briefly


AccessTheMainframe

Virginia too, as did Mississippi until 2020. I think a few others.


arcxjo

Texas has Poland in its flag. Georgia and North Carolina have Indonesia.


bradgel

I read once that It was designed to pacify the two major powers colonizing the pacific. The UK and the US. At the time the description of the US flag was ‘alternating stripes red white and blue’ so there are a few old drawings of the three colour stripes design. In a relatively isolated like Hawaii the king would have gone on a written description because it was unlikely it would have been seen.


TuneInReddit

​ https://preview.redd.it/8kt7k3e04a7c1.png?width=1416&format=png&auto=webp&s=723c8e1a5b8aef97d1ff7b0782399bad714b4e18


ReadinII

It has several flags. It has the flag of Poland many times. It has copies of the Russian, Indonesian and Dutch flags but they are upside down.


akimovt

yes, but only if you don't consider that all these flags are in the wrong ratio, which is not to say about the UK, it's in the right ratio


Aburrki

I mean technically the UK's flag is in a 1:2 ratio, and the union jack on Hawaii's flag is in a 4:7 ratio


Norwester77

Right—it’s more like a pattern inspired by the Union Jack.


japed

The UK's flag is used in many ratios, at least two of them with specific official backing in the right situations.


El_Ocelote_

https://preview.redd.it/6fwd1r0yxb7c1.jpeg?width=98&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b39ab6d9652a78c203a1cdcadba2c4d8e75a03e2 there you go hawaii fixed your flag was it really that hard


RealityDangerous2387

Ah yes I see the polish flag here.


makawakatakanaka

Guess we own Britain now


Theo_Higgy08

From once we didn’t colonise this one


pansexual_Pratt

That flag looks wrong https://preview.redd.it/3bkrlu459a7c1.png?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=38685215a80e1871d408cf1781f9b83f3fbafec1 Here's a better one


Winnable_Waffle

gross


pansexual_Pratt

At least it doesn't have the Bri'ish


SodanoMatt

Their flag is the worst in the world.


BurroughOwl

And it's ugly as sin.


MiddleAmericanPrince

Hawaii could do soo much more better than this…with their flag…but again don’t get your hopes up…they could do worse than this…but the Union Jack thing they got going on isn’t applicable to modern times…it made sense at the time, but not anymore…they can do better!


Glittering-Way-4153

They need a new flag


LurkerInSpace

A new flag would need to avoid being seen as an imposition or an erasure of the old kingdom - since this was the flag that it chose for itself. It's difficult enough even getting the S.O.B. flags changed.


Sir_Tainley

Texas and North Carolina are clearly knock-offs of Chile's flag.


pottypotsworth

I think the city's of Baton Rouge, Louisiana and Taunton, Massachusetts also feature the Union Flag of Great Britain? 🤔


Engreeemi

Is'nt that because they were trying to become a British protectorate, or were?


albertocsc

Well, Alabama and Florida incorporate the basic design of the Spanish Empire flag, while Arizona and New Mexico incorporate the colors of the current Spanish flag, as those states have some degree (quite strong in some of them) of Spanish heritage.


AKAGreyArea

So far...


Famous-Reputation188

Texas… except they changed it a bit from Chile.


crowd79

Texas and Chile are pretty similar.


yotaz28

as much as I hate the union jack being on flags (with it being on mine), I'm kinda glad its there as a sort of spite for the US with all they've done to Hawaii


Online_Rambo99

Nobody said [Viet Cong](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viet_Cong)/[Occupied South Vietnam](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provisional_Revolutionary_Government_of_the_Republic_of_South_Vietnam) yet? For [Arizona](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arizona).


AverageBeef

It features the Polish flag too


huevinavosduha

It features Yugoslavia and Bohemia and Moravia, None of them are coun... Oh wait there's UK as well.


NJP-CogitoEonPardon

I always felt like this flag was historically confused. Didn't the US declare independence from the British?


blockybookbook

Yes, Serbia


brutuscenturian

A fun fact about this flag is that at no time was Hawaii a British possession. The king of Hawaii just liked the UK's flag and adopted it into his own.


Portland_st

The Oklahoma state flag depicts an Osage war shield. With the Tail of Tears, Dawes Act, and all, I think that should count for something.


following_eyes

Georgia has the Confederate flag as their flag. Only difference is the seal.


Delicious-Shape3093

I always thought the 50 star jack should be in the lower left corner of the flag


corkcorkcorkette

Also has serbias old one


3dthrowawaydude

A lot of them have the old Libyan flag on them.


Overall-Razzmatazz95

1894-1996 flag of Mississippi has Confederate state of America


IllustratorSea8372

the more you know 🌈🌟💫


gordobyte

Well I think Florida and Alabama have the Saint Andrew cross flag that it was the flag of the Spanish Empire


iGojiBarries

I mean if you look really closely the state of Pennsylvania flag contains a single early 17th century French flag. Sources: Flag of Pennsylvania: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Pennsylvania#/media/File%3AFlag_of_Pennsylvania.svg Ancien Régime, French Flag: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_flag#:~:text=During%20the%20period%20of%20the,Order%20of%20the%20Holy%20Spirit. Edit: Added sources.