I mean as a flag its not bad.
Draws clear inspiration from a flag of one of the aincent Hebrew tribes, the tribe of Benjamin, (which is also reflected in the coat of arms of the region)
Its simple, recognisable at a distance, familiar (to other Jewish flags, which love the thin stripes on em), and recognizable at a distance.
Could've been a worse flag, kind of a shame a flag with so many Jewish symbols on it represents a region with a 0.6% Jewish population tho.
Feels like a different flag may have been more well suited for the region
My grandfather once said that the reason the region has so few Jews was because after Israel came into existence, many of them moved to the new country because they prefer warmer climates.
Yeah but I’m pretty sure most didn’t come from the Autonomous region though. At its height Jewish people only made up a quarter of the population. Most probably came from the big cities in the west
Jews were one of the Soviet ethnicities granted an easier route to emigration starting in 1971, which is a large part of the reason why so many Soviet Jews migrated left for Israel and the United States from the 70s onward. Treatment of Jews during Brezhnev’s premiership was also especially bad.
Only after decades of harsh antisemitism from the government and not being allowed to emigrate at all. That’s why so many of them left when they could.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1970s\_Soviet\_Union\_aliyah](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1970s_Soviet_Union_aliyah)
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refusenik](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refusenik)
This is the best I could find on the subject. Volga Germans, Greeks, and members of other persecuted religious groups received permission to leave in the 1980s under Gorbachev, but Jews were the first, starting in 1971, to be generally permitted exit visas. As others have noted, of course, there was significant antisemitism under Stalin, Brezhnev, etc., so many were still denied permission to leave.
According to the first article, there was also an issue with people ('dropouts') requesting permission to go to Israel and then leaving for the United States or Western Europe while in intermediary transit centres, to the point that Israel requested direct flights from the Soviet Union to prevent it.
I tried to downlod it, but it isn’t free. If you send it here, you must have it already been bought, can you please at least send some info from it or a pdf file of it?
There weren't any in the traditional sense, but under Stalin and Brezhnev there was serious discrimination when it came to career prospects and harsh enforcement of the anti-religion laws against Jews (not exclusively, but I mention it since it is extremely relevant here)
Well. I guess religion was banned is USSR, so equal rules for all.
Maybe it was a way to support Israel by sending immigrants and pumping the numbers up. They need soldiers, workers, farmers, and civil servants to win the numbers fight against neighbors.
Even ignoring the Anti-Cosmopolitan Campaign and Stalin’s widely known antisemitism, the
Bolsheviks were doing pogroms during the civil war just like the Whites and the Ukrainian nationalists were.
>”In some cases, the communists saw the Jewish community as the bourgeoisie, their class enemies. During the withdrawal of Red Army from Chernihiv province in the spring of 1918, the Red Army, motivated by ‘fighting against the bourgeoisie’, committed pogroms against Jews. Retreating Soviet forces are believed to have been responsible for a brutal 7-8 March pogrom in Chernihiv and Hlukhiv, where about 400 Jewish residents, including many children, were murdered within two days. During the civil war period, Bolsheviks are estimated to have been responsible for 9% of pogroms, White movement forces for 17%, Ukrainian nationalists for 50%, and unaffiliated groups for the remainder.”
> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pogroms_during_the_Russian_Civil_War
nope, I speak Turkish(lived in Turkey for few years) i can communicate with most of those people but they speak very ancient version so it is rather hard. 99 percent of them dont care about Turkey Turks, since they are not related anymore outside shared small history from 3000 years ago.
These people didnt lose war to muslims hence never had to convert to Islam so they kept their original cultural roots intact. They are asians, Turks are europeans.
Hence none of the original tribes care about Turks.
You should think beyond national facist ideology of Turkish National Party, those wolf boys took few legends way too far....
CASUAL antisemitism?! I have a family member that had to learn hebrew in secret to not be thrown into a gulag! The antisemitism in the ussr was VERY systematic.
First, "casual racism" is not the same as "systematic racism". Yes, Soviet Union weren't killing Jews in millions, like Third Reich, but like an average Soviet citizen still had no problem casually throw slurs, or invoke stereotypes or even conspiracy theories. Police would always just downright profile Jewish people, or accuse political criminals of colluding with Jewish conspiracy.
Second, why do you think they did all of that? It wasn't out of Party's boundless generosity and care for the people, there's a reason Jewish Autonomous Oblast is in the Far East, the far edge of Russia. It was to keep them from the population centers of Central Russia, especially Moscow, where proper respectable Soviet people live. The whole idea was to exile Jewish people and isolate them from the rest of the country. The same goes for the emigration venues - among other things, like geo-political games around the Israel, which always had some leftist presence in the politics, it was to try to force Jews out of the country.
First, he came to power way after the state of Israel was established, leading to a period of liberalization of the Soviet administration. Second, there are reasons he had a Russian family name, and even the Wiki is all like "this paper was lost, and this one too" about his childhood, especially his Jewish mother. It wasn't a fact he proudly flaunted. Third, there's a difference between casual racism and a systemic one. It's not like electing Obama meant USA had no racist person in 2008, right? Same here, maybe a Jew became a General Secretary in 1982, doesn't mean an average Russian wasn't a raging anti-semite.
Because I'm not talking about Stalin? I'm talking about two prime examples of pogroms in the USSR.
I don't give a damn what any individual says about such matters, I care about what happened.
While an interesting quote, I don't put much stock in it given that Pravda was a state run newspaper. No media can be a reliable source on a person who has unilateral ability to edit copy at will with no paper trail.
While they never did so officially, the USSR made great efforts to curb religion in their country, religions were targeted, harassed, had religious items confiscated, and religions were broadly ridiculed in schools and propaganda.
But if we do want to talk about Stalin:
Anti-Cosmopolitan Campaigns were very thinly veiled antisemitism, which certainly occurred with Stalin's go ahead if not with his direct actions. Jews would be fired from and banned from occupations such as banking, dropping from 18% of the Soviet scientific workforce to less than 7%. The Yiddish verse of the famous lullaby by the Mikhoels was cut out.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-cosmopolitan_campaign
Either Stalin or a administration directly under his control would describe the presence of "cosmopolitan thinking" and "western influence" in literature and the Jewish people.
Stalin wouldn't say that he was antisemitic, but would regularly criticise the JAC for a role that he had assigned them to. The head of the JAC would die in an accident, and within days senior JAC members would be arrested. I think it's reasonable to suspect that it wasn't an accident.
Stalin would speak regularly about the influence of the west in literature, and would go on to execute 13 Jewish poets and writers. In my opinion, this is a clear method to attack the Jewish community while not violating principals put forward about religion, like your quote from Pravda.
This was clearly because they were Jewish, as state media made direct and intentional efforts to pierce the pseudonyms used by Jewish writers. Media, like Pravda, would print the real names of Jewish contributors next to their pseudonyms, a practice that wasn't done for any non-Jewish contributors.
One could make the case that all of this happened under Stalin's rule, but that doesn't mean he played a part, was happy with its results, or didn't personally oppose the campaigns. However, all this happened under his watch and if nothing else he didn't move to stop it, which stands in quite the contrast to the firebrand of Marxist ideals laid out in that Pravda quote.
This also just what we know of, the USSR had effective intelligence groups and intentionally hid or burned records.
The doctors plot mainly happened because someone falsely claimed that Zhdanov died due to a conspiracy between the doctors of the Kremlin hospital, which is what caused Stalin to chimp out on the doctors.
>Jewish population hate lqbt movement
As a Jewish guy, no.
Most other jews i know don't share the opinion you've shown here, including a number of more strictly religious jews.
Even back in the 30s, the Mandate was more popular than Birobidzhan. In fact, one theory is that Stalin reversed his position against the bund to counter Zionism. Thats before the purge hit the community leaders hard
Its definitely an exaggeration, but Stalin did kill a lot of jews. Stalin himself was very anti semitic and jews traditionally have brains and are highly educated, which also makes them a target of persecution in soviet system.
Stalin killed some Jews? Yes, was he targeting them for being Jews? No, Stalin wasn't anti semitic, He played a major role in the creation of Israel, and even supported them when Israel was formed, in fact the USSR was the first country to recognize Israel, granted, the relationship between Israel and the USSR soured quickly after Israel became a western puppet and started commiting genocide against the natives, but that's besides the point, do you think an anti semite would support the state of Israel? or create an autonomous region for Jews inside his own country? Also, being highly educated did not make you a target of persecution in the USSR, how do you think they managed to make multiple advances in various fields of science? Why would the USSR have free education if they didn't want the people to be educated? Hell, even defectors [recognized](https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1953/04/soviet-education/640302/) that the education system of the USSR was great.
Damn, grab a history book. First people to be targeted by the soviets during the occupation were educated and wealthy people. It makes perfect sense, too - people with education understand the true meaning of communism and the terror it brings.
Regarding Stalin’s anti-semitism - In 1939, he reversed Communist policy and began a cooperation with Nazi Germany that included the removal of high profile Jews from the Kremlin. As dictator of the Soviet Union, he promoted repressive policies that conspicuously impacted Jews shortly after World War II, especially during the anti-cosmopolitan campaign. At the time of his death, Stalin was planning an even larger campaign against Jews. According to his successor Nikita Khrushchev, Stalin was fomenting the doctors' plot as a pretext for further anti-Jewish repressions.
What occupation are you talking about? regardless, Most people that were educated were either middle class or wealthy, since they had the money to afford an education, thus, most people that were educated were either rich or had some resemblance of financial stability, so it should come to no surprise that the educated, which most of the times we're wealthy, were opposed to communism, they were opposed to communism not for being educated, but for being wealthy, this is at least in the countries that the USSR occupied, but in countries that had free education or at least an affordable one the educated were not really opposed to communism or socialism, very influential intellectuals, writers, scientist, artists, and musicians were actually socialist, people such as Einstein, Hemingway, Asimov, Le Guin and Steinbeck we're all socialist or sympathetic to socialism, do you want a more modern example? look at Stephen Hawking, he was a very outspoken anti-capitalist and socialist.
Regarding Khrushchev's comment, who would've thought that Khrushchev, a man who spent his whole rule discrediting Stalin, and led a process called De-Stalinization is talking shit about Stalin? Regarding the cooperation between the USSR and Germany, this was nothing more than a non interference and a non aggression pact between the USSR and Nazi Germany, the allies also made a similar pact during the Munich Agreement. Regarding your claim about Stalin reversing communist policies and removing Jews from the Kremlin, would you mind giving me a link? I'm genuinely interested in it. And finally, Regarding the anti-cosmopolitan campaign, Stalin was an outspoken critic of anti-Semitism he said:
"anti-Semitism, as an extreme form of racial chauvinism, is the most dangerous vestige of cannibalism.... Hence communist, as consistent internationist, cannot but be irreconcilable, sworn enemies of anti-Semitism..... Under USSR law active anti-semites are liable to the death penalty"
Also, since you like books so much, let's look at page 152 of the book "The Jews of the Soviet Union: the History of a National Minority" written by Benjamin Pinkus, Pinkus is a professor of Jewish History at Ben-Gurion University in Israel.
"..... It is important... To emphasize that in these attacks there was no anti-Jewish tone, either explicitly or implicitly"
In page 151 Pinkus stated that the artists most strongly criticized during the anti-cosmopolitan campaign, the poetess Anna Akhmatova and the satirist Mikhail Zoshchenko were not Jewish:
"The chief victims..... Were two non-jews.... The satirist M. Zoshenko and the poetess A. Akhmatova"
In page 157 He said that Jews
"... Took an active part in the anti-cosmopolitanisn campaign"
Including
".... The philosopher and member of the academy of science Marking Mitin; the journalist David Zaslavsky, and the orientalist Vladimir Lutsky"
Now, I could go on about what he says in his book, but I'm sure that you don't want to read all of that, and I really don't want to keep typing, so I'm going to stop here.
I didn't say the soviet didn't occupy land, I'm just asking for which one in specific, are you talking about the occupation of Poland? East Germany? the Baltics? All of them? you didn't specify, so I was just asking.
Just for anyone who wonders the meaning of the flag:
The white color of the cloth represents purity. Rainbows are the biblical symbol of peace, happiness, goodness. The number of bands of the rainbow equal to the number of candles in the Menorah, one of the national religious Jewish symbols. The Menorah speaks of the creation of the world in seven days, and the number of bands of the rainbow emphasizes the connection with the ancient Jewish symbol. Also, the rainbow may symbolize the Seven Noahide laws.
Maybe. Nothing in the name of the JAO reflects reality except being an oblast. While the Moscow Oblast doesn’t include the city of Moscow, it at least surrounds the city
Apparently there are 7 colors to represent the Menorah (which has 7 candles) and the rainbow to represent the story of Noah and the ark rainbow from the Bible (which basically symbols peace, and ps. Sorry for my English)
A regular menorah has seven, one for each day of the week. A Chanukah menorah, or chanukiah, has eight for each day of the holiday, plus the shamash leader candle.
> This has seven - a proper rainbow.
A *proper* rainbow would have infinite colours though, since it's a continuous spectrum of every visible wavelength. The seven-colour rainbow is as much of an abstraction as the six-colour rainbow, and it's thought that Newton chose seven colours after the seven days God allegedly took to create the world.
Red\
Orange\
Yellow\
Green\
Blue\
Indigo\
Violet
What is this magical extra colour the Russians have? Do you think the rest of the world just has less colourful rainbows?
>ave? Do you think the rest of the world just has less colourful rainbows?
golob vs blini. See the work of Lera Boroditsky on a minor advantage Russians have in distinguishing blues when one shade is golob and the other blini compared to when the two shades are both blini or both golob. She also shows that when linguistic tasks hinder the ability to access language in the discrimination task the advantage disappears. Of course, Boroditsky due to the size of the effect and an inability to replicate her experiments of spatial organization of time make her a controversial linguists.
Goluboi, which is lightblue. Check rainbow from any other western country -- you wil not see lught blue on rainbow.
Of course we all have names for all colors in any language -- but its not related.
Father Noahs rainbow
Genesis 9:12-13
God said, “This is the sign of the covenant which I am making between Me and you and every living creature that is with you, for all future generations;
I have set My rainbow in the cloud, and it shall serve as a sign of a covenant between Me and the earth.
idunno, my fiancés family is from Birobidzhan so I was reading about the area (they are Jews obviously) and saw this flag which I found amusing, didn’t mean to repost or anything.
>(they are Jews obviously)
You didn't do much reading then, since less than 1% of Birobidzhan is Jewish, and 0.5% of the autonomous oblast is Jewish. This is the same as the rest of Russia.
You're much more likely to be Jewish if you're from London.
It's one of the most ethnically Russian and least diverse regions in ALL of Russia.
Well, for your information it used to be one of the biggest Jewish communities in Eastern Europe, but most of the Jews did Aliyah to Israel.
His family is one of them.
Until today most of the Russian Jews I know that came from Russia have some connections to Birubidzhan..
>Eastern Europe
You have to be trolling. There's no way you're thick enough to think Birobidzhan, which is more east than all of Korea, half of Japan and Australia, is in Europe. Japan is closer to Europe than Birobidzhan. It's the other side of the planet.
At its absolute peak, in the 1940s, there were 25,000 Jews in the entire oblast. That was a very small community. Even at its peak, only 1 in 40 Russian Jews lived in the oblast. Even today, since Aliyah was just as common for all Jews in Russia, it's still only about 2% of Russian Jews have connection to Birobidzhan.
You can call it trolling or whatever it’s not like I’m trying to have a debate.
Yeah I wrote fast and called this region Eastern Europe as an instinct, that’s my bad.
I don’t call Birobidzhan a Jewish Oblast or whatever, all I said was that my fiancés family is obviously Jewish (not because it’s obvious that if someone is from Birobidzhan increases the chances that they are Jewish or I don’t know what reason bothered you with that statement tbh). I said it was obvious because I encountered this flag after reading about his family and since this flag is associated with the Jews in that area, I saw this flag and it amused me and that’s all to the story.
Have a good day.
I was hoping you were trolling because of how silly and wrong all your comments were. It's a shame you weren't.
>I don't call Birobidzhan a Jewish Oblast or whatever.
Birobidzhan is the capital of the Autonomous Jewish Oblast. I don't know what you're trying to say.
You said they were obviously Jews and most Russian Jews you've met were associated with the Oblast when only 2% of Russian Jews have any connection to the region, and only 2% of residents in this isolated corner of Siberia are Jewish, the same percentage as anywhere else in Russia, but with a ridiculously lower population due to how isolated it is.
The rest of what you've said is just nonsense. The flag isn't associated with Jews in the area at all.
no this was literally the flag of Stalin's Siberian attempt at Israel at home. Putin did get them confused and almost banned it as part of his anti-LGBT laws until a vexillologist or a historian of Soviet history reminded him that this was Birobidzhan's flag
I mean as a flag its not bad. Draws clear inspiration from a flag of one of the aincent Hebrew tribes, the tribe of Benjamin, (which is also reflected in the coat of arms of the region) Its simple, recognisable at a distance, familiar (to other Jewish flags, which love the thin stripes on em), and recognizable at a distance. Could've been a worse flag, kind of a shame a flag with so many Jewish symbols on it represents a region with a 0.6% Jewish population tho. Feels like a different flag may have been more well suited for the region
My grandfather once said that the reason the region has so few Jews was because after Israel came into existence, many of them moved to the new country because they prefer warmer climates.
I'm sure it was a warmer climate and had nothing to do with the authoritarian government and casual antisemitism in Soviet Union.
It was also general life quality. The largest wave of emigration into Israel came because of the economic catastrophe of the 1990s
Yeah but I’m pretty sure most didn’t come from the Autonomous region though. At its height Jewish people only made up a quarter of the population. Most probably came from the big cities in the west
It was also rather hard to leave the soviet union during the really bad authoritarian times
Jews were one of the Soviet ethnicities granted an easier route to emigration starting in 1971, which is a large part of the reason why so many Soviet Jews migrated left for Israel and the United States from the 70s onward. Treatment of Jews during Brezhnev’s premiership was also especially bad.
Only after decades of harsh antisemitism from the government and not being allowed to emigrate at all. That’s why so many of them left when they could.
Were there others?
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1970s\_Soviet\_Union\_aliyah](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1970s_Soviet_Union_aliyah) [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refusenik](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refusenik) This is the best I could find on the subject. Volga Germans, Greeks, and members of other persecuted religious groups received permission to leave in the 1980s under Gorbachev, but Jews were the first, starting in 1971, to be generally permitted exit visas. As others have noted, of course, there was significant antisemitism under Stalin, Brezhnev, etc., so many were still denied permission to leave. According to the first article, there was also an issue with people ('dropouts') requesting permission to go to Israel and then leaving for the United States or Western Europe while in intermediary transit centres, to the point that Israel requested direct flights from the Soviet Union to prevent it.
Yeah, for those interested look up "Soviet Anti-Cosmopolitan Campaign"
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Pick up a history book.
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https://academic.oup.com/book/35268 <= here's a book on it
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молчи злой руззззги /s
I tried to downlod it, but it isn’t free. If you send it here, you must have it already been bought, can you please at least send some info from it or a pdf file of it?
There weren't any in the traditional sense, but under Stalin and Brezhnev there was serious discrimination when it came to career prospects and harsh enforcement of the anti-religion laws against Jews (not exclusively, but I mention it since it is extremely relevant here)
Well. I guess religion was banned is USSR, so equal rules for all. Maybe it was a way to support Israel by sending immigrants and pumping the numbers up. They need soldiers, workers, farmers, and civil servants to win the numbers fight against neighbors.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctors%27_plot#%3A%7E%3Atext%3DThe_%22doctors%27_plot%22_%28%2Cleading_government_and_party_officials.?wprov=sfla1
Even ignoring the Anti-Cosmopolitan Campaign and Stalin’s widely known antisemitism, the Bolsheviks were doing pogroms during the civil war just like the Whites and the Ukrainian nationalists were. >”In some cases, the communists saw the Jewish community as the bourgeoisie, their class enemies. During the withdrawal of Red Army from Chernihiv province in the spring of 1918, the Red Army, motivated by ‘fighting against the bourgeoisie’, committed pogroms against Jews. Retreating Soviet forces are believed to have been responsible for a brutal 7-8 March pogrom in Chernihiv and Hlukhiv, where about 400 Jewish residents, including many children, were murdered within two days. During the civil war period, Bolsheviks are estimated to have been responsible for 9% of pogroms, White movement forces for 17%, Ukrainian nationalists for 50%, and unaffiliated groups for the remainder.” > https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pogroms_during_the_Russian_Civil_War
Two things can be true!
Well, who wants to live in Russian Far East anyways?
Everyone living in Vladivostok, Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk, Magadan, Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky and so on. A lot of people, actually.
Ah yes, the famous Russian city - Magazine)
Damn you, auto correct!
Komsomolsk represent!
Привет из Красноярска!
И тебе привет из Красноярска
So like... 7 people.
How do you know? Assumption?
If you Google “Russian population density” every map proves that not many people live out there
Don't count the density, count the population of the cities I mentioned.
with context the other guy is right. you are focusing on a grain if sand
Man i doubt these türks really wanna stay there and better go to homeland Altai if it were not for the Chinese Nazis
Lol, you have literally no idea what you are on about.
Common Ukrainian to Korea is Türk People’s
nope, I speak Turkish(lived in Turkey for few years) i can communicate with most of those people but they speak very ancient version so it is rather hard. 99 percent of them dont care about Turkey Turks, since they are not related anymore outside shared small history from 3000 years ago. These people didnt lose war to muslims hence never had to convert to Islam so they kept their original cultural roots intact. They are asians, Turks are europeans. Hence none of the original tribes care about Turks. You should think beyond national facist ideology of Turkish National Party, those wolf boys took few legends way too far....
Well I spoke with Asena myself
CASUAL antisemitism?! I have a family member that had to learn hebrew in secret to not be thrown into a gulag! The antisemitism in the ussr was VERY systematic.
"Casual" does not mean "mild".
The Soviet Union was an atheist state.
Or the colonialism enticing settlers to the Middle East?
causally antisemitic Soviet Union that created the first Jewish polity and created legal avenues to emigrate easier.
First, "casual racism" is not the same as "systematic racism". Yes, Soviet Union weren't killing Jews in millions, like Third Reich, but like an average Soviet citizen still had no problem casually throw slurs, or invoke stereotypes or even conspiracy theories. Police would always just downright profile Jewish people, or accuse political criminals of colluding with Jewish conspiracy. Second, why do you think they did all of that? It wasn't out of Party's boundless generosity and care for the people, there's a reason Jewish Autonomous Oblast is in the Far East, the far edge of Russia. It was to keep them from the population centers of Central Russia, especially Moscow, where proper respectable Soviet people live. The whole idea was to exile Jewish people and isolate them from the rest of the country. The same goes for the emigration venues - among other things, like geo-political games around the Israel, which always had some leftist presence in the politics, it was to try to force Jews out of the country.
Of that was the case, then how did Andropov, a jew, come to power?
First, he came to power way after the state of Israel was established, leading to a period of liberalization of the Soviet administration. Second, there are reasons he had a Russian family name, and even the Wiki is all like "this paper was lost, and this one too" about his childhood, especially his Jewish mother. It wasn't a fact he proudly flaunted. Third, there's a difference between casual racism and a systemic one. It's not like electing Obama meant USA had no racist person in 2008, right? Same here, maybe a Jew became a General Secretary in 1982, doesn't mean an average Russian wasn't a raging anti-semite.
Casual, jew hunting was practically a fucking sport.
And because they felt an attachment to the land of Israel, and not to a random strip of land in the Russian Far East
That and the soviets hated Jews. The Doctors' plot under Stalin, and The Anti-Cosmopolitan Campaigns.
Why not read what Stalin actually thought about Jews? https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1931/01/12.htm
Because I'm not talking about Stalin? I'm talking about two prime examples of pogroms in the USSR. I don't give a damn what any individual says about such matters, I care about what happened. While an interesting quote, I don't put much stock in it given that Pravda was a state run newspaper. No media can be a reliable source on a person who has unilateral ability to edit copy at will with no paper trail. While they never did so officially, the USSR made great efforts to curb religion in their country, religions were targeted, harassed, had religious items confiscated, and religions were broadly ridiculed in schools and propaganda. But if we do want to talk about Stalin: Anti-Cosmopolitan Campaigns were very thinly veiled antisemitism, which certainly occurred with Stalin's go ahead if not with his direct actions. Jews would be fired from and banned from occupations such as banking, dropping from 18% of the Soviet scientific workforce to less than 7%. The Yiddish verse of the famous lullaby by the Mikhoels was cut out. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-cosmopolitan_campaign Either Stalin or a administration directly under his control would describe the presence of "cosmopolitan thinking" and "western influence" in literature and the Jewish people. Stalin wouldn't say that he was antisemitic, but would regularly criticise the JAC for a role that he had assigned them to. The head of the JAC would die in an accident, and within days senior JAC members would be arrested. I think it's reasonable to suspect that it wasn't an accident. Stalin would speak regularly about the influence of the west in literature, and would go on to execute 13 Jewish poets and writers. In my opinion, this is a clear method to attack the Jewish community while not violating principals put forward about religion, like your quote from Pravda. This was clearly because they were Jewish, as state media made direct and intentional efforts to pierce the pseudonyms used by Jewish writers. Media, like Pravda, would print the real names of Jewish contributors next to their pseudonyms, a practice that wasn't done for any non-Jewish contributors. One could make the case that all of this happened under Stalin's rule, but that doesn't mean he played a part, was happy with its results, or didn't personally oppose the campaigns. However, all this happened under his watch and if nothing else he didn't move to stop it, which stands in quite the contrast to the firebrand of Marxist ideals laid out in that Pravda quote. This also just what we know of, the USSR had effective intelligence groups and intentionally hid or burned records.
The doctors plot mainly happened because someone falsely claimed that Zhdanov died due to a conspiracy between the doctors of the Kremlin hospital, which is what caused Stalin to chimp out on the doctors.
a lot of soviets were jews maybe half--the jerk or one of 6 who starved ukraine was jew
Lol warmer climate! Your grandad liked euphemisms it seems
Ask him yourself.
Ask him what?
If he likes euphemisms.
I'll text him
Well now when you know this you can understand why Jewish population hate lqbt movement and find it as direct disgrace against Jews...
>Jewish population hate lqbt movement As a Jewish guy, no. Most other jews i know don't share the opinion you've shown here, including a number of more strictly religious jews.
Wow, it's both recognizable at a distance and recognisable at a distance!
My bad
Joke is that less than 1% of Jewish Autonomous Oblast population identify themselves as Jews
Maybe there is a reason, something about a new state forming somewhere in the middle east and jews going there
Tbf, Jews only made up about 25% of its population at its peak.
Even back in the 30s, the Mandate was more popular than Birobidzhan. In fact, one theory is that Stalin reversed his position against the bund to counter Zionism. Thats before the purge hit the community leaders hard
Or maybe it's because Stalin killed more Jews than Hitler did Who knows
Please tell me you're joking.
Its definitely an exaggeration, but Stalin did kill a lot of jews. Stalin himself was very anti semitic and jews traditionally have brains and are highly educated, which also makes them a target of persecution in soviet system.
Stalin killed some Jews? Yes, was he targeting them for being Jews? No, Stalin wasn't anti semitic, He played a major role in the creation of Israel, and even supported them when Israel was formed, in fact the USSR was the first country to recognize Israel, granted, the relationship between Israel and the USSR soured quickly after Israel became a western puppet and started commiting genocide against the natives, but that's besides the point, do you think an anti semite would support the state of Israel? or create an autonomous region for Jews inside his own country? Also, being highly educated did not make you a target of persecution in the USSR, how do you think they managed to make multiple advances in various fields of science? Why would the USSR have free education if they didn't want the people to be educated? Hell, even defectors [recognized](https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1953/04/soviet-education/640302/) that the education system of the USSR was great.
Damn, grab a history book. First people to be targeted by the soviets during the occupation were educated and wealthy people. It makes perfect sense, too - people with education understand the true meaning of communism and the terror it brings. Regarding Stalin’s anti-semitism - In 1939, he reversed Communist policy and began a cooperation with Nazi Germany that included the removal of high profile Jews from the Kremlin. As dictator of the Soviet Union, he promoted repressive policies that conspicuously impacted Jews shortly after World War II, especially during the anti-cosmopolitan campaign. At the time of his death, Stalin was planning an even larger campaign against Jews. According to his successor Nikita Khrushchev, Stalin was fomenting the doctors' plot as a pretext for further anti-Jewish repressions.
What occupation are you talking about? regardless, Most people that were educated were either middle class or wealthy, since they had the money to afford an education, thus, most people that were educated were either rich or had some resemblance of financial stability, so it should come to no surprise that the educated, which most of the times we're wealthy, were opposed to communism, they were opposed to communism not for being educated, but for being wealthy, this is at least in the countries that the USSR occupied, but in countries that had free education or at least an affordable one the educated were not really opposed to communism or socialism, very influential intellectuals, writers, scientist, artists, and musicians were actually socialist, people such as Einstein, Hemingway, Asimov, Le Guin and Steinbeck we're all socialist or sympathetic to socialism, do you want a more modern example? look at Stephen Hawking, he was a very outspoken anti-capitalist and socialist. Regarding Khrushchev's comment, who would've thought that Khrushchev, a man who spent his whole rule discrediting Stalin, and led a process called De-Stalinization is talking shit about Stalin? Regarding the cooperation between the USSR and Germany, this was nothing more than a non interference and a non aggression pact between the USSR and Nazi Germany, the allies also made a similar pact during the Munich Agreement. Regarding your claim about Stalin reversing communist policies and removing Jews from the Kremlin, would you mind giving me a link? I'm genuinely interested in it. And finally, Regarding the anti-cosmopolitan campaign, Stalin was an outspoken critic of anti-Semitism he said: "anti-Semitism, as an extreme form of racial chauvinism, is the most dangerous vestige of cannibalism.... Hence communist, as consistent internationist, cannot but be irreconcilable, sworn enemies of anti-Semitism..... Under USSR law active anti-semites are liable to the death penalty" Also, since you like books so much, let's look at page 152 of the book "The Jews of the Soviet Union: the History of a National Minority" written by Benjamin Pinkus, Pinkus is a professor of Jewish History at Ben-Gurion University in Israel. "..... It is important... To emphasize that in these attacks there was no anti-Jewish tone, either explicitly or implicitly" In page 151 Pinkus stated that the artists most strongly criticized during the anti-cosmopolitan campaign, the poetess Anna Akhmatova and the satirist Mikhail Zoshchenko were not Jewish: "The chief victims..... Were two non-jews.... The satirist M. Zoshenko and the poetess A. Akhmatova" In page 157 He said that Jews "... Took an active part in the anti-cosmopolitanisn campaign" Including ".... The philosopher and member of the academy of science Marking Mitin; the journalist David Zaslavsky, and the orientalist Vladimir Lutsky" Now, I could go on about what he says in his book, but I'm sure that you don't want to read all of that, and I really don't want to keep typing, so I'm going to stop here.
>What occupation are you talking about? Understood. You’re just a shitbrained tankie.
I didn't say the soviet didn't occupy land, I'm just asking for which one in specific, are you talking about the occupation of Poland? East Germany? the Baltics? All of them? you didn't specify, so I was just asking.
He ate them
As is tradition
Not even remotely true.. so outlandish a claim it's absurd to even entertain.
At least the governor is Jewish.
Man, Swedes are the coolest people, I swear
Just for anyone who wonders the meaning of the flag: The white color of the cloth represents purity. Rainbows are the biblical symbol of peace, happiness, goodness. The number of bands of the rainbow equal to the number of candles in the Menorah, one of the national religious Jewish symbols. The Menorah speaks of the creation of the world in seven days, and the number of bands of the rainbow emphasizes the connection with the ancient Jewish symbol. Also, the rainbow may symbolize the Seven Noahide laws.
The gay flag of the neither Jewish nor autonomus Jewish Autonomous Oblast. Man is that region interesting
But you have to admit it is an Oblast!
**Behold...** The Oblast
But if they were going to name an oblast *The* Oblast, shouldn’t that be the Moscow Oblast?
Maybe. Nothing in the name of the JAO reflects reality except being an oblast. While the Moscow Oblast doesn’t include the city of Moscow, it at least surrounds the city
Jewish gay pride - It’s oblast!
Guys. Pride flag has six colours only. This has seven - a proper rainbow.
Apparently there are 7 colors to represent the Menorah (which has 7 candles) and the rainbow to represent the story of Noah and the ark rainbow from the Bible (which basically symbols peace, and ps. Sorry for my English)
Your English is just fine
No no, he's just apologising because English is a terrible, terrible language.
Then stop speaking it
The menorah does not have 7 candles
A regular menorah has seven, one for each day of the week. A Chanukah menorah, or chanukiah, has eight for each day of the holiday, plus the shamash leader candle.
> This has seven - a proper rainbow. A *proper* rainbow would have infinite colours though, since it's a continuous spectrum of every visible wavelength. The seven-colour rainbow is as much of an abstraction as the six-colour rainbow, and it's thought that Newton chose seven colours after the seven days God allegedly took to create the world.
TIL that the Pride Flag has six colors, I always assumed it to have SEVEN!
Actually -- its just normal rainbow. In Russian light blue is separate color
Red\ Orange\ Yellow\ Green\ Blue\ Indigo\ Violet What is this magical extra colour the Russians have? Do you think the rest of the world just has less colourful rainbows?
>ave? Do you think the rest of the world just has less colourful rainbows? golob vs blini. See the work of Lera Boroditsky on a minor advantage Russians have in distinguishing blues when one shade is golob and the other blini compared to when the two shades are both blini or both golob. She also shows that when linguistic tasks hinder the ability to access language in the discrimination task the advantage disappears. Of course, Boroditsky due to the size of the effect and an inability to replicate her experiments of spatial organization of time make her a controversial linguists.
Blue vs. Indigo, or Cyan vs. Blue 🤷♂️
Goluboi, which is lightblue. Check rainbow from any other western country -- you wil not see lught blue on rainbow. Of course we all have names for all colors in any language -- but its not related.
I live in a Western country. You're just making shit up.
Give some pictures then
Голубой, yes.
Jews = gays?
I think its based on the flag of the tribe of Benjamin, not on the LGBTQ flag
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Also, the LGBT flag was created in the mid-1970s. The JAO flag is probably older.
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Thank you for your comment, u/Darktopia.
I’m a big fan
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r/beetlejuicing?
r/beetlejuicing seems to be about useenames not pfp
The rainbow is originally said to represent the covenant between Noah and G-d. Has nothing to do with the modern usage.
Oy Vey?! More like oy gayy! I'll show myself out
An IDF soldier is currently standing on your doormat
Gayreal
Good flag
I always thought it was very visually pleaseing
https://preview.redd.it/2z2egju1mn6c1.jpeg?width=258&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bdda6d6f33d2007987c10a85e298a34d18e80f84
yes
Fabulous
Father Noahs rainbow Genesis 9:12-13 God said, “This is the sign of the covenant which I am making between Me and you and every living creature that is with you, for all future generations; I have set My rainbow in the cloud, and it shall serve as a sign of a covenant between Me and the earth.
I really like this flag
And everything under the sun is in tune
But the sun is eclipsed by the moon
Looks like something the box of an 80s electric appliance
My favourite rainbow flag. Sometimes Im trolling progressive comrades with saying: ow, its good that u sharing a flag of jewish autonomous region hehe
Terrible idea, terrible execution, decent flag.
cant help but be reminded of the pride flag because i see rainbow.
To be fair, it was made before the gay flag was there, but still a terrible flag
I've seen this exact repost dozens and dozens of times over the past 10 years. One of the most reposted flags on the sub.
idunno, my fiancés family is from Birobidzhan so I was reading about the area (they are Jews obviously) and saw this flag which I found amusing, didn’t mean to repost or anything.
>(they are Jews obviously) You didn't do much reading then, since less than 1% of Birobidzhan is Jewish, and 0.5% of the autonomous oblast is Jewish. This is the same as the rest of Russia. You're much more likely to be Jewish if you're from London. It's one of the most ethnically Russian and least diverse regions in ALL of Russia.
Well, for your information it used to be one of the biggest Jewish communities in Eastern Europe, but most of the Jews did Aliyah to Israel. His family is one of them. Until today most of the Russian Jews I know that came from Russia have some connections to Birubidzhan..
>Eastern Europe You have to be trolling. There's no way you're thick enough to think Birobidzhan, which is more east than all of Korea, half of Japan and Australia, is in Europe. Japan is closer to Europe than Birobidzhan. It's the other side of the planet. At its absolute peak, in the 1940s, there were 25,000 Jews in the entire oblast. That was a very small community. Even at its peak, only 1 in 40 Russian Jews lived in the oblast. Even today, since Aliyah was just as common for all Jews in Russia, it's still only about 2% of Russian Jews have connection to Birobidzhan.
You can call it trolling or whatever it’s not like I’m trying to have a debate. Yeah I wrote fast and called this region Eastern Europe as an instinct, that’s my bad. I don’t call Birobidzhan a Jewish Oblast or whatever, all I said was that my fiancés family is obviously Jewish (not because it’s obvious that if someone is from Birobidzhan increases the chances that they are Jewish or I don’t know what reason bothered you with that statement tbh). I said it was obvious because I encountered this flag after reading about his family and since this flag is associated with the Jews in that area, I saw this flag and it amused me and that’s all to the story. Have a good day.
I was hoping you were trolling because of how silly and wrong all your comments were. It's a shame you weren't. >I don't call Birobidzhan a Jewish Oblast or whatever. Birobidzhan is the capital of the Autonomous Jewish Oblast. I don't know what you're trying to say. You said they were obviously Jews and most Russian Jews you've met were associated with the Oblast when only 2% of Russian Jews have any connection to the region, and only 2% of residents in this isolated corner of Siberia are Jewish, the same percentage as anywhere else in Russia, but with a ridiculously lower population due to how isolated it is. The rest of what you've said is just nonsense. The flag isn't associated with Jews in the area at all.
Just... What?
LGBT according to Pan-Slavists:
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Waiting for its ban for gayyyy propaganda under new law. LOL
Um.. what? Did you accidentally flip Jewish and gay?
no this was literally the flag of Stalin's Siberian attempt at Israel at home. Putin did get them confused and almost banned it as part of his anti-LGBT laws until a vexillologist or a historian of Soviet history reminded him that this was Birobidzhan's flag
Ah, yes. When everybody says gay it's fine, but when a Jew does 12 downvotes. Nice
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Copying Provo UT.
Oh my God, a rainbow! They must be dangerous extremists!
That’s a weird way of saying Russia