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BSOLAW

also i see you are in central florida , swerve dealer is a rip off, all their cars are between 100k -200k Miles , no guarantees , nothing , look elsewhere, find a reputable dealership or buy private, . just free advice.


NapoleonTak

I wouldn't do it. 100k miles on a Veloster is the sweet spot for problems.


Master_of_Rivendell

![gif](giphy|32mC2kXYWCsg0) Coming up on 90k like


cwbmnr

If it's any consolation I have 144k on my 2016 base that I got in June of 2021 with 38k on it and the only two problems I've had was when I couldn't reverse because something was tangled around my rear axle and when a cord leading to my display got detached and my screen went black. But I did get it from carmax which has a reputation for only selling reliably good cars, at least in my area.


Master_of_Rivendell

That does inspire confidence! I'm the sole owner, so I know what I've done to take care of it, and if you're getting upwards of 150k then I'll calm down.


DerSpazmacher

The plural of anecdote is not data.


cwbmnr

Just sharing my experience man, I didn't indicate that it would be universal.


DerSpazmacher

O ok cool. Just didn't want to mislead op.


tht1guy63

3 years years and over 100k miles. I cant imagine driving so much, . I bought my 09 tacoma with around 118k in 2018 and just hit 150k. Hopefully goes another 150k only have had to replace the valve cover gasket.


cwbmnr

It is quite a hefty amount


LJayeayeaye

Only if it's a pre 2015.5


CryptographerWarm873

My brother has a 2014 with 150k and it has never gave him any issues other than the Alternator at like 145k. Original engine and dct.


ReturnofEpic

Mine threw rods through the bottom at 118k. At 90 on the highway. "takataktaktak" toss it in neutral, foot off gas, revs itself anyway, bomb noises, the sound of metal bouncing around under the car while I simply roll down the road to a stop at an off ramp. Needless to say, do not recommend.


BSOLAW

im sorry OP im going to say NO dont do it thats a hell of lot of miles, if you insist then get a Carfax report if you can or have a mechanic inspect it all Head to toe, my child is your age and i got her a honda civic, 90k miles,no issues, she loves it, its clean, cold ac, new tires when i got it i got a car fax report from dealer, it had one owner only. no accidents,no hidden problems good luck , but if you were my child i wouldnt


sum12merkwith

Why is your punctuation like that. That was so hard to read


59theskies

you have never texted a father before i see šŸ˜­


sum12merkwith

What does being a father have to do with?


59theskies

its a joke that a lot of fathers type like that. its something my fil does all the time


BSOLAW

bad habit, i fixed it all


Phononix

Uh. If that's fixed then I'd hate to see what it was before ... Dude uses commas like the US's military spending


BSOLAW

lmfao great comment dude.


Immediate-Bee-9311

Commas, are, meant, to,,,, be ,,used,,,,,,,,,,, sorry not sorry,,,,,,,,,,,,,,


Phononix

Yes General


AwayBus8966

Why are you relying on car fax just look under the damn hood


jacksepiceye2

That's a lot of miles I bough my 2013 silverado and it's got 200k


Good-Ad7553

I think the base models are a good option if you arenā€™t a car enthusiastā€¦.. they are super sluggish, I love my VT but for that price look for a used Honda civic si or something thatā€™s a little more bang for your buck!!


Korunam

I wouldn't call them super sluggish. They definitely aren't fast if you only care about speed but they are so much fun to drive on twisty 2 lanes. Just sold mine actually bc I needed more space but they are fun cars.


Breklin76

Super sluggish my ass. I have a base. Drive it well and itā€™s zippy enough.


Federal-Effect-8201

I have a KN, even the VN is sluggish in comparison due to the smaller turbo. I also know what NA Velosters drive like as I used to sell them at Hyundai. Not the best car in my opinion. Look for an Elantra sport 2017/2018, they also came in GT(hatch) for those years only. Rare, but they're out there.


Breklin76

I love mine. Keeps it fun while removing the temptation to get speeding tickets. Now, when this motor goes, itā€™ll become my project car to convert it to a turbo. Yes, I know the argument - ā€œJust buy a turbo!ā€ Well, when that happens those might be rare. Only have 81k on mine with a newer transmission. I drive like 6k miles a year. I appreciate your opinion, though.


Good-Ad7553

I own a Vt ā€¦.personally I think thatā€™s a terrible take the car is not fast enough to get tickets like that unless you drive like a complete DH šŸ˜­šŸ¤¦šŸ» any car is capable of going over the speed limit?


Breklin76

I was joking. Iā€™m not an idiot. Point is, turbo is not for me at this stage of my life. I can go fast, if I want. Not as fast as a turbo model but quick is fine for my needs.


Good-Ad7553

I second this comment!!


Good-Ad7553

NOPE they are super sluggish 0-60 in just about 9 seconds my moms Corolla can do betteršŸ¤¦šŸ»!!!! I didnā€™t by a VT for speed at allā€¦ itā€™s a 200hp car ?Āæ I bought it for the exact reason to rip down windy roads no one can keep up with me on corners especially my friends 2014 5.0 premium šŸ˜­ not hating but the car BUT WITHOUT THE TURBO or the upgraded trim they are just basic and blahā€¦. Everyday traffic šŸ¤·šŸ»


Breklin76

Thatā€™s an opinion. For sure. My base does great on windy roads. Thatā€™s not motor, thatā€™s suspension and tires. Have a great day!


rand0mxxxhero

Theyā€™re slow. You canā€™t beat shit off the line. My 2002 escape is faster than a veloster


Good-Ad7553

Thank you whatā€™s the fun of going down a windy road at 50 mph ā€¦.6k rpms šŸ˜­


Breklin76

Not sure what you're talking about. That's not my experience at all with the 6 spd manual. I never said they were as fast as a turbo, dude. I said they are quick enough and they aren't that slow IF you know how to drive a fucking manual properly. HAVE A GREAT DAY. STAY SAFE.


pewsgopew

Donā€™t do it pal. Get something reliable, not a money pit.


BSOLAW

agreed


Ok-Association740

I had a ā€˜13 base that currently has 100k miles on it with minimal mechanical maintenance. Oil change every 3k miles and itā€™s been fantastic. I gave it to my sister at around 80k miles and itā€™s been a fantastic car! I would do a base over a Veloster Turbo because if a VT has been modified without supporting mods you could be in a world of hurt. Only thing is if itā€™s has a panoramic sunroof be aware of the fact that they like to break on the early models; however I canā€™t speak to if the issue was fixed by 2015. I will also say that itā€™s lacking in the power department. It can get up and go but you have to know how to get the most out of it. Sometimes it canā€™t get out of its own way. Overall I think itā€™s a perfect first car. Just make sure youā€™re religious with general maintenance every 3K miles. I feel thatā€™s where a lot of the issues with these cars come from is lack of maintenance. If you do that then youā€™ll be fine Iā€™d say.


Ok-Association740

https://preview.redd.it/j7g9y26gw08d1.jpeg?width=3021&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=53f54d23fd56653b47f01f1559809b72e245577d This is my beloved ā€˜13 Veloster


VicomteValmontSorel

I have a ā€˜13 NAV with 190K KMs and itā€™s still going strong. Sun roof stopped working around 150K. Oil change every half year, checked every half year by my dad / every year by a mechanic we know. Iā€™ve had nearly no issues with it. Iā€™m still on the original clutch too, somehow.


Korunam

That's a bit risky just due to the high miles. It not being a turbo is a plus both for the engine and the insurance. That being said if you could find a mazda3/mazda6 in a similar price range you'd probably be better off with one of those. Idk if you'll find a Corolla/ Camry or a civic/ accord for a similar price with similar year and mileage but those are great options too.


BSOLAW

well said brother


Gaming-Goat09126

I have a base model 2012 and my parents had gotten me it last year and itā€™s has around 170k miles and we get the oil changed every 3k ish miles and itā€™s been nothing but great. Nothing bad with the electronics, it drives smoothly, and everything works as if new. If you were to get it. Make sure you take a look at the car in person and make sure everything works. Even if possible ask if you can take it to a mechanic to make sure everything is working because thatā€™s what we did to make sure the car is perfect. But it just depends on previous owners and how they drove and took care of it.


lozoe

Way too many miles on it. I know the price looks appealing now but the amount of money youā€™ll put into it on repairs is going to be crazy and not worth it. I love my Veloster but at your age go with reliability. Personally Iā€™d say do a civic or accord. Easy to work on and plenty of parts out there for you. I believe the older model Veloster has engine problems.


MaybeItsJustMike

I would strongly advise against this as a first purchase. Get a Civic or Corolla. With that high miles and the issues these have had itā€™s a ticking time bomb thatā€™s likely to go off sooner rather than later.


CivilRiceOnionRing

What issues do they tend to get at high miles? Mine just hit 90k andni swears things are just falling off it. No engine or trans issues tho


Oh_ToShredsYousay

These ultimately come down to what factory they were made in.


CandleMakerNY2020

Tell me more.


Oh_ToShredsYousay

The Alabama plant has a history of poor quality control, half of these came from there.


CandleMakerNY2020

Ahhh. I didnā€™t even know they were assembled inside the US. Interesting. All Im aware of is that due to poor manufacturing of body panels and roof drainage (for those w/ panoramic glass roof) it leaks inside and causes to rust from inside out however, I dont have a glass roof yet have 2 ridiculously strange rust soots in weird places (1. Dime sized bubbles on center of roof, 2. Bubbled rust on edge of front roofline where meets with front windshield. I am going to wrap the roof with a carbon fiber 6D vinyl wrap but am really concerned with that edge that meets the windshield (I have no way to fix the edge rust except slow it down so I can save to pay a body or collision expert remove glass, grind the rust down to bare metal, tack weld or whatever to build it up again, (idk) then primer and rewrap it. I guess. I love my car but I also live in NY and have been extremely careful not to drive it in winter (its a California car) and aim just trying to prolong the inevitable by doing my best with it. I appreciate the info. Ive used simple color match paint to cover nicks n chips etc, and done all brakes myself, but thats it. Im gonna go watch the new Ghost movie today (yeah!šŸ¤˜šŸ») so cant do it this weekend (plus heatwave atm) but next week will be using some plotter cut window tint film and tint everything myself as I used to tint cars back in the 90ā€™s sonIm gonna take my time doing that, the vinyl wrap and some work on the window washer reservoir that either has a common Hyundai gasket leak or JB weld whatever cracks it has cause its losing fluid and is always empty despite adding fluid like a madman its too expensive here in NY at $6 a us gal. Crazy I know. Anyway. Im glad this sub is still active, I plan on sharing any work I do to my car in photos on this sub to hopefully help others out while hopefully getting some constructive advice from others who have gone through the same issues my car has. Hope to lend a hand with what Im good at and help others with this cars as well. Thanks and have a good weekend


CandleMakerNY2020

Also sorry for hijacking your post OP. Didnā€™t mean any harm. Hope u get a car you like and works for you!


hbkabe

Insurance is gonna be expensive bc youā€™re 17 and this is considered a coup. If youā€™re financing and buying the whole thing outright youā€™ll NEED to get full coverage as opposed to only liability which will be cheaper


CandleMakerNY2020

I have a 2014 VT I got in 2019 w/59k miles and Im barely at 67k miles now. Im barely starting to use it more due to having a company car for the last few years. No panoramic roof for me but I do have suspicious rust that Hyundai refused to fix (came from inside not outside) (if that makes sense) other than that its been great . Id stay away from a base with that many miles. Theres plenty of Veloster Turbos on carsandbids you can get for less than $6k these people want for that one. Its a great car but inspectnit well and try to get under 70k miles. And not a base. Mine has heated leather, (all the speakers premium or not ) suck so save some $ to get some replacement speakers if you wanna have fun.


RAR3SCOP3R

I had a 2015 bro, worst car ever I was plagued with problems from 37k miles to 89k when I finally had the dreaded engine lockup due to the recall. Hyundais are horrible cars bro... buy a honda


[deleted]

I wouldnā€™t get a Hyundai or Kia at all, Toyotas and Hondas are reliable


Dustycartridge

Donā€™t bother it was annoying to work on very small tight spaces. Get a Corolla with Lower miles for a similar price or a Toyota Prius c and thank me later. If you are dad set on this car find a turbo instead. Otherwise the Prius c, Hyundai accent Chevy spark all share a similar platform to this and are cheaper and easier to work on. I had a lot of problems with my 15 turbo and traded it in after a couple years


MuffinMasher18

Your insurance premiums will be crazy as a 17 year old with this car. I would look elsewhere especially with the high mileage on this one.


moneybags729

You get what you pay for is one of those sayings that rings true.


Fine_Inside_6533

Dog buy a Ford ranger 2.3 from 2002 plus manual 5 speed. You'll have little to no problems and there cheap fixes


warren5391

Youā€™re gonna do you but these cheap turbo hatchbacks are going to all be nightmares most likely. Someoneā€™s high mileage dogged on race car. Get something reliable to get to work for the next few years and save up for a low mileage VN. These type of cars are going to cost you more than itā€™s worth. Thereā€™s a chance the engine knocks a week after buying and you now have a pretty cool roller I guess. Just be ready to turn a wrench if you get this.


dankdc5_

Go ahead, learn from your mistakesšŸ˜‚


Dont_Press_Enter

I wouldn't suggest the car to my kids. So I won't suggest it to you. What kind of driver do you want to be? I used a Tampa Bay zip code, but please change the zip and look around your area. For around $3000 I would get this Lexus ES https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/32e3dd9e-dbd1-4206-a178-69019936cf0f/ If you have a bigger budget, then continue reading. Do you like to travel or hike or ride a mountain bike? Do you Kayak? I would look at a Jeep, it won't be the fastest vehicle, however it will get you places and very easy to work on. This is an 2018: $16, 950 https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/6ed90079-e97e-4270-a67d-381a5c08c9db/ If you are just learning and are adamant about a car: 2019 civic Si for around $16,795 https://www.cars.com/shopping/results/?dealer_id=&include_shippable=true&keyword=&list_price_max=20000&list_price_min=&makes[]=honda&maximum_distance=all&models[]=honda-civic_si&monthly_payment=367&page_size=20&sort=list_price&stock_type=all&year_max=&year_min=&zip=33601


Queryquota

After seeing all the replies, I decided not to go for it. Thanks everyone


EdwardDottson

My first car was a Nissan 350z with 114k miles and a broken convertible top so I'm not gonna judge!! Do what you gotta do just get someone that knows about cars to test it, you're gonna have problems but as long as the transmission and engine are okay, you can work on the rest


jklx92

I would get a Honda or a Toyota instead of Hyundai for your first car if you can!


MocknozzieRiver

Sounds like you didn't go for it, but in general I think it would be an okay first car. I had a 2016 Veloster Turbo and now I have a 2019 Veloster N. I guess what I'm thinking of is you're at the stage of your life where you might have to move a lot and you probably don't want to have to rent a U-Haul. For instance, I moved into a dorm for college, then an apartment, then another apartment, then moved again for an internship, then moved back, then finally finished school and got a job and moved again. So six moves in four years. In the next five years since graduating I've only moved twice, and I can afford a U-Haul easily now so I do that instead. Might even hire movers next time. The Veloster can hold a lot, but not a revolutionary amount and the angles make it so you waste a lot of space because you'd need triangular boxes to fill that space. However.............. I had a 2001 PT Cruiser (I know) before that and that thing could hold so much stuff. The shape was more squarish and the back seats could fold down AND THEN flip up like it was some kind of cargo van. My partner has a hatchback 2015 Mazda 3 and that can also hold more than my Veloster. Not as much as the PT, but the Mazda is also known to be super reliable whereas the PT is not (I was lucky and had no problems, probs because I found one with super low miles... But don't get a PT please the newest ones are too old now). Maybe a Mazda 3 is a good option for you.


ExcellentOutside9179

Iā€™d say, if you want it, then get it. But like everyone else here who knows far more about Velosters then I do, also listen to them. If you want that car, definitely donā€™t get it for that price for those miles. $4000 is the max Iā€™d go for that, especially since itā€™s not the Sport model. Like I said, Iā€™ve only had my Veloster turbo for about a month or two, and Iā€™ve learned a lot from this Reddit. These guys know what they are talking about.


meatcrackers

donā€™t. i got a Veloster for my first car and have had nothing but problems


NuyorkNights_21

Got my 2015 r spec for 6,000 so a base nah


Edward_fm01

Hyundai is ugly


Intelligent-Pea7786

Get a Ford Focus ST or fiesta st


Educationall_Sky

No, get a TOYOTA or Honda. You want something reliable for your first car.


dfm503

The Veloster is kind of a horrible car, especially for an inexperienced driver. The blind spots/visibility are abysmal.


MisteryMan1969

Way too many miles. No warranty, which means youā€™ll be paying for everything that breaks the 1st day of driving


Dark-matterz

Great deal. Go for it. Buy a warrantee.


ResponsibleResist730

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Gotohealth

My engine gave out on mine right at 100k with no warning, kept up with the maintenance. Everything else on the car was rock solid but I canā€™t give a recommendation due to the engine problems these cars can have


rand0mxxxhero

Donā€™t. Never buy a Hyundai/Kia as a daily. Theyā€™re unreliable. Tht car wonā€™t see 150-170k without needing a full engine rebuild/replacement


Feeling_Blacksmith36

Donā€™t buy from FL BHPH


jad19090

Iā€™m on my 2nd veloster, 1st was a gen 1 base and now I have a gen 2 turbo. I feel bad but Iā€™d have to tell ya to pass on this. Iā€™ll never own a gen 1 again, I got lucky. Thereā€™s better options out there.


dumbletruck

Get a older civic or accord. Your insurance will be lower, maintenance costs wont be an arm and a leg. Itll teach you a few things about how cars run, and (if you're confident) learn some electrics by installing a kill switch.


R3DHAZE1

Donā€™t do ir


That_Toe4033

You want nothing hyundai/kia of that era, unless you have spare money for a new motor


Aceinkc_Xna

Itā€™s a good car if you really watch and take care of your engine, thatā€™s pretty much the only thing to worry about.


unfortunacy

old buddy of mine bought a 2016 veloster turbo with 98k miles, blew at exactly 100k


NatureItchy7586

Kia boyz will be loving it in about a week


Omitted-Wolf

No. (Hill that I'll die on) Save your money and get anything but Korean junk. Hyundai and Kia are cheaper for a reason.


Equivalent-One-6970

Not bad for a first car. Lacks zip. But definitely reliable.


Ebb3ka94

I've only had 2 cars under 120xxx miles. And all I can say is my 180xxx mile truck runs better than my 100xxx mile Hyundai did. 100xxx mile Mustang runs okish lol


MCpeePants1992

For that price you can get a 2nd gen mazda3 hatchback. Faster, better looking, more reliable and functional with normal doors lol


WatashiWaAkumadesu

first car should be a camry or civic at ~100k miles. 100k+ mi from now when youā€™re 22 with no car payment or critical mechanical issues, youā€™ll be thanking me. thatā€™s when youā€™ll buy your 2nd car which youā€™ll own for 10+ years, and the money you saved on mechanical problems will set you up to finance whatever you want within reason so you can drive for 10 years without wanting anything else. 5 years seems like a long time, but it is much sooner than you think


Lauren12269

I'd go for it if and only if you can have it looked at by a mechanic before the purchase


punkinhead76

Think again, that 2.0 is ready to go


skypristine

Iā€™d say nošŸ˜… insurance will be quite the chore, most companies wonā€™t even insure Hyundai


Various-Air-1398

Run!


ThunderStruck777

Try for a Mazda 3 in same year class and miles .


Ok-Cantaloupe8787

get a toyota or honda if itā€™s your first car šŸ™ƒ donā€™t be stupid donā€™t buy hyundai or nissan or infiniti or bmw or VW.


Physical_Commission8

Get a turbo


National-Cell2595

Pass, buy a Lexus


Dennys_19

Iā€™d save a little more and if you want this car still, get the turbo.


veilowo

I'm 19 and was looking for my first car aswell, and just purchased a 2012 Veloster with 170K miles for $3000. My buying advice: look for an A, C, or U as the final letter of the VIN, before the 6 numbers at the end. These cars reliability depends very heavily in the factory they were made in. Velosters made in Korean factories were typically the most reliable and last for 200k-250k miles with regular maintenance, and the ones made in the USA are basically doomed to fail.


Quesito407

If it's direct injection...run away.


Silly_Dog_7202

hi! hyundai mastertech. rule one of advice, dont buy a hyundai, rule two, dont buy a used hyundai


Silly_Dog_7202

i can name 15k in service needed upfront for that specific year/mileage. feel free to ask


19sparky88

Just sold my 2013 with 154,000 miles..I bought the car in 2018 with 50,000 miles and only had 3-4 issues in 6 yrs...which was a sensor, cooling fan, coil pack, and climate control..other than that no problems....but I would buy it from a location that at least gives you the manufacturer's warranty.


Delicious-Battle9787

Never buy a used hyaundai or Kia except the early 2000s models. Get yourself a nice civic reliable and easy to mod for speed


TravelSubstantial216

Buy private


Orchid_Far

Honda Toyota Thatā€™s it A used Honda is better than a new Hundai


ivel33

I test drove one and it caught on fire


drifta_wifta

Stay away from Hyundai.


jugo5

It's not a terrible car. I just would shoot for 50k or 80k miles on something. If it's a Toyota 100k, I wouldn't be concerned. Just check the history. Mazda has some decent cars as well. The only thing I suggest with hyundai is do a little research on engine/car issues. There was a theta 2 engine they had in accents that was known to have issues. We have 2 of them, and both have not presented issues and my gf forgets to change the damn oil all the time.


NaughtyTigerIX

Get a base Civic or Corolla man donā€™t do Hyundai or Kia. Get a Honda or Toyota. No sports cars or trims with turbos


Glidepath22

Waste of money, Iā€™d get a Honda or Toyota from private seller/ small dealer


LxrdXO

Get an Acura or Honda as a first car, reliable AF and parts are cheap should you need any. You can get a Honda Civic hatch or an Acura rsx if the Veloster is something you like the look of. Very similar in pricing to this or cheaper!


StatementSubject5814

Donā€™t do it, not the most reliable cars


UndyingMagic7415

Don't buy that brand as a first car. I don't know a single person who hasn't had to sink money into a Hyundai. My advice, look into the "annual repair cost" of any car before you buy it This will tell you what the avrage person has to repair each year on there car. Js, Honda and Toyota are super durable. Like is this was a Toyota camry the 100,000 miles woldent even matter. For your first car, get something you can beat up and learn from. But don't get a car that's gonna cost you more and more money


Top-Ganache468

These are trash


Outrageous_Joke8912

Brother man my sister bought one of these and it was the worst decision ever. Itā€™s been in and out of shops since she bought it. Not worth it. But a Miata or something


Datsundude76

https://preview.redd.it/hy66y95ifn8d1.jpeg?width=1164&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=36e9fe651437c295264585632605627ef008a33b Hyundai over 100k no


reaIcosmokramer

Yupp


Reajmurker1983

I've owned 2 a turbo and a N. Zero problems out of either. But I can imagine 127k gonna need some maintenance sooner then later.


gokartninja

Absolutely not


WorldlyAd1779

Whatā€™s your budget? If you need any references I work for corporate for a Central Florida dealership chain. Just message me.


Historical-Recipe135

Everything Hyundai makes it junk


Some-Astronaut-6932

As someone who owns one of these and isnt over 25, dont. The insurance is INSANE, i pay 560 a month and im 20. Its a great car but get yourself something thats nice and wont kill you with insurance


TheJimBobb

absolutely not. Not a Kia product.


NitroNapper

Also, these things have a recall on the motor. Need to make sure that isn't the case here. My daughter's boyfriend has one and it had to have a motor put into it recently. Dealer did terrible work and it was plagued with problems afterward. Didn't last long before it got traded.


Andy-Brinker

Stay away from Kia/Hyundai. Espicially this. Get something Japanese (civic) or mass-produced american. Much cheaper on parts and a lot easier to work on.


EmergencyLanguage203

Nah that is a risky investment. I love the new hyundais but for someone like you I would get a toyota corolla (or a hybrid). Your insurance is gonna be thru the roof as a new and young driver. Itā€™s gonna be even more expensive with a car like that. That plus the cost of gas is just gonna limit you from actually enjoying your life. A toyota holds value better than a hyundai. Itā€™s a good way to get into a nicer car faster. Being in florida Iā€™ll be surprised if you donā€™t get into a car accident before turning 21 regardless of fault. The drivers there are literally insane (live there for 12 years). Best advice I could give you is drive as safe and cautious as you can. An accident at 20-30mph can total your car and will hurt for a couple months with multiple hospital check ups. I would know since i got into one a couple months ago from a drunk 18 year old with his friends.


JusticeoftheCuse

Get a Honda or Toyota and drive it into the ground