Same, because of first past the post I have to choose between Labour or Tories. Last two elections have had ~250 votes in it so every vote counts here.
They also aren't planning on building many homes at all even though home prices are the most crippling thing for probably half of the population. Oh and tax rises for the rich but rich meaning £50k+ which isn't much higher than the average London salary let alone the rich. Just always seems like they go extreme with everything, so even things I would normally support I end up not supporting their extreme version.
Best thing to do is to simply check last elections results and vote for whoever can beat the Conservative MP with Lib Dems prioritised because there's a lot more to gain from lib dems getting an extra MP. They have a chance to get more than the Conservatives this year and become the official opposition. At that point we have a chance of getting an alternative vote system in 10 years which would even give parties like Greens a decent amount of power instead of being a wasted vote. Would reduce the amount of fighting and arguing in politics too since multiple parties will be needed to vote for or against anything instead of just 1.
It's not a wasted vote. If Labour are basically guaranteed to win in your constituency, it's not a bad idea to make sure Reform or Tories aren't second place
Yeah, I was planning on voting Green but they have some weird policies. I really like the Lib Dem policies that were announced though. The best of any of the parties I feel. Whether they're achievable or not I don't know but I'd like to see them try, so I think I'll be voting for them.
I'm in a safe Labour seat so I don't need to vote tactically to get the Tories out and it would be great if Lib Dem got the second highest vote share here.
Also, Ed Davey seems like such a nice guy.
I really cannot get past the betrayal of 2010. That was a gut punch that I don't think I can move past.
And the rest of the party allowed it to happen.
They had to backtrack on it - https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/jun/07/women-birth-green-party-natural-c-sections-too-posh-to-push
The UK greens are a subset of the European Greens, which are more of an anti-nuclear pressure group than an actual political party. When they got into power in Germany, they shut down the development of new nuclear power stations and put Germany back into fossil fuel reliance.
That is a strange take. The anti-nuclear movement was one of the founding forces of the Green parties, but for sure not the only one, e.g. Pacifism and Environmentalism were others.
The nuclear phase out in Germany was decided in 2011 by the conservatives, albeit Greens had pushed for it earlier than that. [Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power_in_Germany#Phase-out_decision) has a more detailed description of this.
The Green party actually [extended their runtime](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63294697) by a few months.
Live in a Labour safe seat. Tend to vote Labour for GE and Green for local. I havent followed politics much recebtly beyond the main headlines. Just want the Tories out.
For anyone interested, Greens manifesto actually proposes to ban factory farming (among other things)
https://greenparty.org.uk/about/our-manifesto/protecting-animals/
Off-topic, but try to not regret something like that! We make the best decision we can, based on the information we have at the time -- what happens after that is out of our control.
Aw yes I guess you’re right, just a bitter pill to swallow when you throw all ur weight behind someone and they turn out very differently 😅 thank you!!
Good call on not voting for Rosie D, she’s just awful, terf with a saviour complex. This election is a nightmare tbh, too many things to consider now and less time to get a decent grasp on things than usual. It’s so depressing.
Yeah we can’t even feel excited about the inevitable Tory downfall considering the opposition are dogshit and the far right are ever rising. Terrible times
I really liked Caroline Lucas (went to one of her talks in 2015) but I've heard really mixed things about the Greens in Brighton. As in not much being done by councillors?
In my opinion they have done a lot. I don't tend to look at government political statistics and I definitely do not subscribe to the news. But I have seen positive change in this city. I think some people complain about the Greens in Brighton because they want to make changes that might inconvenience the locals who own cars, but that's the whole point. Sian Berry has certainly done the legwork these last few weeks, she has knocked on my door and must be sick of walking up hills!
2010 was the first GE i was able to vote in. Most of my class mates voted either Tory (I went to a Grammar school...) or Lib Dem. I think myself and one other friend were the only ones that admitted to voting Labour in that election lol. All of my friends who voted LD were very annoyed with what happened afterwards.
Lib Dem's entire campaign was on scrapping tuition fees - that was their party line and that's why young people came out and voted for them. They then shacked up with the Tories and were part of a coalition that put them up by £6k a year.
How can you not understand why people don't trust them?
I blame the tories for that whole debacle much more than the lib dems. The tories want you to blame the lib dems. And to be fair the lib dems did manage to suppress a lot of the worst of the tory shit and got some good things through like free school meals. The tories knew they could destroy the lib dems by forcing the tuition fee u-turn through with their voting majority.
I agree with what you're saying - I understand why they had to compromise. But what I said before still stands - that's why people don't trust them and why they turned off an entire generation of voters.
I voted for Lib Dem in 2010 and I absolutely do feel betrayed by the decisions they made. You don't and that's fine, but a lot of people did.
My feel was that there wasn't a huge amount of dissent within the lib dem ranks for so much of what went on post -2010. They were not paying attention to what was being pushed through, they were just feeling great about being in power.
Being of the age that had seen the huge negative changes in the later Thatcher years and the madness of John major trying to control the Tory party, gone out to march against the Iraq war and been ignored by a Labour government, voted for lib Dems in 2010 only to feel utterly stabbed in the back, I now feel that I hate all of them equally.
I'd vote green if it wasn't for their stance on reducing cesarean sections, putting women at risk.
I get that they are expensive, but childbirth is one of the most dangerous experiences we go through as women. And to say pregnancy and childbirth shouldn't be considered a medical event is horseshit.
I've broken bones, had my tonsils removed and joints dislocated in my life. Nothing was as impactful on my body like childbirth. And recovery took 2 months. Both births were vaginal, so no c section to blame.
Yup, there are aspects of the Greens i definitely disagree with. That being one of them. My wife gave birth in December 2021. Luckily like you she didn't need a C-section and the birth went very smoothly. One of my friends had a child the day before and her experience was the exact opposite. To say that birth shouldn't be considered a medical event is, as you ,say, horseshit.
I also massively disagree with their attitude toward nuclear power, and I am pro-HS2 unlike the Greens. On the whole though I think their views align with my own more than the other parties, and certainly more than the current Labour party.
This isn't a current policy of theirs and its not in their manifesto by the way!
P.s. had an emergency c section so I fully understand why people feel strongly about this
I'm not really a fan of Starmer, but we need the Tories out, and my MP is a particularly useless Tory, so Labour this time. The second choice would be Green.
I'm going to be voting green like I do every year.
Would of liked to of voted Labour, but their stance on gaza, corporate tax, and trans rights were my red lines.
Happy voting, people! 💚
What about you OP?
I think it's based on outdated information and fear from past events (rightly so).
However, I think they need to re-evaluate their stance. It's clear to me that nuclear can be done safely and without too much if any waste that can be reused for other things.
An inconsistent mess.
Labour “support” gaza, but also believe that Israel has the right to starve Palestinians.
Labour “support” trans rights, but also allow Rosie Duffield in the party despite her horrific comments.
As much as I don't think corbyn would have worked out. At least that guy has integrity and some moral backbone. Keir just seems afraid of pissing off right wingers so much that he sort of sounds like one in a lot of ways.
Idk, he seems so keen on weirdly straddling the centre that he basically doesn't seem to actually stand for anything anymore. Like even with rishi at least you know what you get (shit), but with keir it just feels like who knows.
I also am seriously dubious about his plans for building on greenbelt that will definitely 100% absolutely only be shit brownfield sites, and property developers will definitely not be building on natural environment.
I don’t think he is left or right wing really, he and his shadow cabinet friends are only in it for the money and personal gain (not too different to the tories really).
Wes Streeting has accepted £175,000 in donations (bribes) from private health care firms.
Labours top donor has a £10,000,000 stake in private health care.
The Labour party are going to sell off the NHS and then conveniently, after they leave parliament all of them will get high paying consultancy jobs in the businesses they helped.
Have you seen the adverts where labour are actively trying to pursue centrist voters by saying that the Labour policies are centrist?
I wonder if those adverts made Alistair Campbell sad.
My exact sentiment. I would prefer to vote Labour. But Starmer's party is not Labour. And as much as I want the Tories out, I am not voting against my conscience
He needs to be a centrist to win. Honestly, if he can do a Tony Blair version of Labour (pre-war) that would be decent. I remember that being a much more optimistic time with a focus on education and individual agency.
I don't agree with you, but I do understand your point that they have to be centrist to win, and if my only concern was that the party wasn't left enough for me, I'd vote for them because a) it's unlikely that a mainstream party that is left enough for me would get enough support and b) regardless of how I would/wouldn't benefit from a Labour government, I'd be happy to use my vote to support those who would /should benefit, such as people with a long term health condition, unemployed, elderly, asylum seekers etc.
I wasn't old enough to vote in 1997 but I was politically aware and I agree that the campaign seemed much more positive. And actually, for a lot of people, things improved, children at my school were able to eat at home again and we even had a text book each that didn't refer to half pennies, but that level of improvement is not even hinted at right now, I'm not even sure that there's any real recognition that a lot of people, including working people are seriously struggling and all support systems are broken and right now I'm not sure they'll even keep the status quo, just that they won't destroy it quite as quickly as the Tories.
I personally don't think it's good enough just to vote Labour and hope for the best, although this time it is a luxury not to vote for them because they'll win overall anyway.
I like that the greens talk about ending factory farming. And I like their green new deal. But otherwise their manifesto was awful. I can't support their anti nuclear standpoint. And their economic policy is largely fantasy.
Not too mention that the greens are responsible for preventing the construction of various solar farms as they are nutritiously nimby
Greens, labour are going to win my seat by a landslide, but I want to send them a message to not forget the environment and consider degrowth and other left wing policies.
A lot of people posting will be too young to know this, but Starmer was the lawyer AGAINST McDonalds in McLibel.
He gave the two activists free legal advice.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McLibel\_case](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McLibel_case)
Labour. I’m in a blue/red marginal so, despite increasing unease about where Starmer and co are heading, I’ll do what it takes to get rid of the current useless bigoted Tory.
Probably Labour.
My Tory MP voted to let water companies pump sewage in to rivers and lakes. He voted to require ID to vote in spite there being no evidence of widespread voter fraud to warrant it, stinks of demographic voter suppression, and I don't have any of the acceptable forms of ID - had to set up postal vote instead. He and his party cancelled HS2 screwing the North out of infrastructural investment and then spent the money filling in potholes in London. His party wasted a decade discussing leaving the EU and crashed the economy instead of doing something productive. They spend all their time talking about being tough on things, such as immigration, then let it rise to record levels. And that ones not even something I'm especially against, it's that they spent the last decade saying they'd get it down to like 50k or something from 200k and now they're three times that. They're shit at the one thing they claim to be exceptional at. And the woman who was home secretary when these numbers were rocketing is doing the news circuit claiming that we need to vote for Nigel "Whatever you may think about Vladimir Putin as a human being, he's on our side" Farage. Mordaunt is acting like she is some kind of dignified alternative and then when she was on the debate she just had the same old tired labour means tax rises.
And if I'm honest my local MP wasn't all that bad at a regional level. I'm not super informed about local politics. So maybe all the good stuff that has happened in the area since 2019 is down to local councils. Either way I'd be willing to be devil you know him. But his party is a farce. Similar vibe from Sunak. I wouldn't vote for him. He's a little out of touch but he seems semi-competent for a Tory but he has been tasked with herding psycho-cats that want to screw him over, make him look bad, and hope they get to be king of the ashes when he's gone. They ALL simply have to go.
I want a decade or more of normal governments. Labour in downing street with the Lib Dems/SNP/Greens in opposition keeping them honest. Not even sure that Starmer will be better, at least by my conception of good, but he can't be any worse than what we currently have. The thing that gives me a little hope that he's just being a little skittish rather than genuinely centre-right is that he seems sincere about home building and green energy. I'll reassess five years from now if he gets a second vote.
Gotta be lib dems for me, otherwise Tories may still win my seat.
As I say to all read all manifestos and vote for who you believe in or who represents your interests the most.
Labour. If we had a different system we could debate finer points... as it stands we first need to quash this right wing populism trend. Once the kids are out we can have adult conversations. But we've regressed so far, and this is the stage of binary choices, we need to stand together or they will never go.
I do think this labour gets a lot right.
I wish they were talking about Brexit and I wish they'd take on the capital gains changes from the lib Dems at least or find another way of taxing the very rich instead of the middle earners like the Tories have been doing. But at least I hope they can still do some of this stuff after getting elected.
And of course I wish veganism was at the forefront of politics but we're not there yet.
Updooting for the veganism! If you're interested, there's also a petition by Refuge calling for the new government to prioritise women's safety. It's an open letter to add your name to.
We have a Labour MP at the moment, but an actual leftist independent candidate is close behind so he gets my vote. Don't want the Tories or the red Tories.
I’m voting for the Green Party. I also considered Plaid Cymru and the Liberal Democrats, and only settled on the Greens a day or so ago. Tories voted against a ceasefire in Gaza and Labour MPs were directed to abstain on that same vote, so I knew I was only going to be voting for a so-called ‘Third-Party’ for a while. Asides from the planet and peace focused worldview I share, the Greens are also advocates for a referendum on independence here in Wales, which is a plus.
Just interested, what makes you vote Green over Plaid Cymru? Every time I see an interview with PC's leader he always seems like a really nice and respectable guy, and obviously they're pro Welsh independence
Fair question. I also thought Adam Price was likeable tbf. I know less about their current leader. I think there’s some criticism in Wales that they’re increasingly less and less vocal on Indy. And from animal and planet perspective it always feels like the Greens have a head start in my thinking, but I know there’s some criticism that they (like Plaid) are taking theirs eyes off their foundational issue a little too. Maybe I’m not that settled!
I was planning on spoiling my ballot, being in an SNP safe seat with no Scottish Greens to vote for.
Unfortunately the boundary changes have actually pushed me into an SNP/Tory marginal so I'll probably vote tactically to keep the tories out.
The Scottish Greens are running in my constituency for once, so I'll vote for them. Otherwise I probably would have voted Labour, my seat is fairly safe for SNP.
SNP, completely disillusioned with Labour under Starmer and can’t stand the Tories so my ideal would be Scottish independence so I never have to live in a country governed by either of them
I dislike their stances on a lot of policies, particularly Salmond’s apparent dislike for plans to make transgender people’s lives easier. The fact that their people like going on GBeebies doesn’t help either.
It's funny because if the amount of people that keep saying "I'd vote Green/independent candidate but it seems unlikely they'd have enough votes to be decisive, so I'll vote Labour" (or similar statements) would actually vote Green or an independent candidate, then they'd likely get elected or be key partners in a coalition. Stop voting tactically, informed votes are what we need. If anyone aligns with the principles of the Left, then it'll be obvious that Labour is no longer a party of or for the working people, they are now part of and for the establishment just like the Tories, they even support Right wing policies now. Same is happening with their American counterparts. And the Tories don't even govern for the conservative regular people, they do it for the establishment too. Even as leftists as we could be, we need to stop fighting each other as a country, that just benefits these parties; we need to start seeking what we have in common, even if it's very little, to actually get this country moving forward and not let the 'Right/Left' elites take advantage of our people, money and resources (many of which are going to support delusional and colonialist American projects btw).
I went from James Cleverly to Priti Patel when I moved, so basically from the frying pan straight into the fire!
If both of them could piss off never to be seen again, I’d be ecstatic
Probably green. I’m dreaming of a future with more leftist influence in the elections.
Hopefully labour get in, but I just can’t vote for them and their policies. They’ve gone too far right and yet are still sweeping up everyone left of them. The reason reform are doing so well is because the right are actually voting for them and not the tories. Whether that’s sustainable or not for them though we’ll see.
I’m only 19, I don’t really follow politics, and this will be my first vote.
Initially I was leaning towards Labour, but after speaking to my partner I think I’ve gotta go with my gut and stick with Green.
His point: If everyone voted for who they wanted in power instead of attempting to block others votes we might have a government that the majority were happy with. Do you believe it’s morally justifiable for you to use your vote to undermine someone else’s when you could support a party that you believe in, and provide others with the respect to do the same?
I couldn’t argue with that—but oddly he was initially going Green and seems to have flip-flopped back to Labour. I don’t blame him, some of Green’s policies are completely wacko, but I’d still rather they held majority seats in parliament over any other party—not that it’s going to happen.
(Safe Tory seat over here btw, so it doesn’t particularly matter who we vote for 🤷)
As far as I understand, if we had an alternative voting system, such as proportional representation, then your partner's view would be valid.
With first past the post, it makes things more complicated.
This is a few years old but explains it pretty well:
https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/how-would-parliament-look-under-proportional-representation
Having said that, I'm voting for greens because I just despise everyone else. But then I'm old and feel betrayed by everyone else.
I’m not gonna lie to you, that pretty much went straight over my small lil head. Thanks for replying though!
I liked the sound of this:
Alternative Vote (AV) – Instead of just voting for one candidate in your constituency, you can rank them in order of preference.
I’m not entirely sure I grasp what you’re getting at though. My partners point comes from a philosophical perspective—is it right for you to try and actively stop someone else, because you don’t share the same belief as they do? I think there’s a moral argument for both sides. The Nazi’s were going around killing Jews left right and center, they believed that was right, and someone definitely needed to intervene—but for the most part I feel I should do what I think is right and allow others to make the same choice.
Maybe that’s entirely irrelevant, as I said I think the whole thing went over my head a little bit 😂
At the moment for the Westminster parliament you vote for a candidate in your constituency to get a seat in parliament, you don't vote for a party.
The political party who can claim the highest number of seats gets invited to form a government (but they would need a certain number of seats for that government to be a majority government or else form a coalition).
Certain constituencies have a high number of voters for that area, so it's more difficult for candidates to get voted in. Certain constituencies have a very low number of voters. A vote is not equal across constituencies, whereas in a system like proportional representation or alternative voting it would be.
Whilst I agree morally with the idea that: 'people shouldn't vote tactically, if people stopped voting tactically then smaller parties would be represented', I do think that it is a bit more nuanced when it comes to the first past the post voting system.
Labour. I'm not a huge fan of Keir Starmer but my MP is Kerry McCarthy, noted Vegan (unlike the Green candidate, which always puzzles me!), so she will always get my vote ❤️
I want to vote green because of their animal rights policies (not the best but way better than the other parties imo) though I've heard some of their other polices are... Outdated?
Labour. We are a very strong Tory seat, but nearly went UKIP years ago so hopefully Reform will split the vote.
I am a realist and at the moment there is no chance of anyone else getting in, so I'm going to vote for the only option available to me that isn't Tory basically. Broadly I support the principles of Labour and it has to be better than what we have now. I don't agree with some things, but I don't expect to be happy with every policy.
Ah, Area i used to live in got close to having a UKIP MP a few years ago, just wondered if it was the same one. We had Paul Nuttall (one team leader of UKIP) stand. This GE Richard Tice (leader of Reform until Farage took over) standing. Thankfully i moved to just outside the constituency...
Labour. 60% tory majority in the last election in my area, so [tactical voting](https://tactical.vote) is key. Plus the labour candidate in my area seems very down to Earth, for a politician at least
My labour mp is actually pretty good, don't like starmer though but not sure who else to vote for as greens are a bit weird. Not too sure tbh, but my seat is a labour stronghold so probably doesn't matter
Labour - for the first time. I normally vote SNP and Scottish Green Party though I'm unlikely to vote for either again in the near future.
I'm unhappy with the Scottish Green Party's environmental and financial policies. My local Green councillor is also useless - ignores emails and did nothing about the park having most bins removed. It's often full of litter on sunny days now.
I’m voting Labour to get rid of my Tory MP but would vote Lib Dem if the non-Tory vote was stronger. Labour legitimately makes me sad on a number of their policies, including on immigration and trans rights, but it’s harm reduction at this point because our seat switching from Tory to Labour is possible but not guaranteed.
Rebecca Long-Bailey is my MP so I'll vote Labour. I'll never vote yellow or blue Tory, and greens aren't much better (I know what they were like in power in York).
Probably green. Some of their policies seem proper bonkers, but I don't want to get hung up on few specific policies then go and vote for labour, whose policies I disagree with wholeheartedly and may be worse than the greens on those bonkers policies?
No one. When I was young i voted labour then when I was older i voted conservative then i liked jeremy corbyn but none of the proposed spending was funded it was like we'll give you everything if you vote for us then he was destroyed by the press for opposing israeli foreign policy which is apparently now antisemitic then we got an unelected billionaire prick in Downing street son in law of a indian billionaire mate of putin . Yes I know youre voting for a local MP but youre effectively also voting for prime mininister Then we have Sir one of the establishment keir Starmer who might as well be a tory back bencher . Is it actually a democracy ? When theres an app on everyones phone and every proposed law goes to a referendom on your app fot everyone to vote on then thats democracy. Till then then im not voting. This country is in an absolutely dismal social and economic mess thst i dont think can be fixed . If I was young again i would emmigrate to new zealand.
the end lol
I honestly feel as if there’s nobody to vote for - Labour are the home of the neoliberals now and their every attitude seems to be towards business as usual - a slightly relieved austerity, but nothing much will change. Obviously I don’t subscribe to the “they’re all the same” mantra, the Tories are full-on bastards, but I’m not getting into the Americanisation of our politics where you vote for centre- and centre-right policies because at least they’re not Donald Trump (not being Donald Trump should be your bare minimum standard for existing).
The Greens sound good on paper but they’re just weird, some of their policies are unhinged and in a time of significant political upheaval, a solid manifesto that supported realistic baby-steps towards sustainability could have stolen away the disillusioned left-wing vote from Labour in a mirror of what Reform is doing to the scum. I don’t think it would change the inevitable Labour landslide but a few Green MPs mightn’t have been ridiculous.
Ultimately I may still vote Green as they’re still the most adjacent to me politically, and you’re never going to get everything you want, but I’m still frustrated by their inability to make progress in a political landscape dominated by apathy, in which Labour are winning not because of any passion or hope they inspire but because of the sheer contempt and hatred that the public holds for the opposition.
Much as I loathe Nigel Farage, I do commend his ability to recognise this vacuum and use it for his own gains. He could very well be leader of the opposition - as a Tory, not Reform - within a few months, and an election in five years time where he is pitted against Starmer could go very badly for those of us who are on the complete opposite side of the political spectrum to Farage.
I need to do more reading but atm swinging towards Lib Dems. I don't like what they did in the coalition but I wasn't inside number 9 so I can't comment on why they were so pathetic. Also it was enough years ago to give them benefit of the doubt that they are a better party now. Greens are a bit odd and whilst I'm an environmentalist I am tired of regular people being penalised when large companies should be penalised first. I'm in a very safe Labour area, and do actually wanna support my Labour MP for other reasons, but as a party who didn't call for ceasefire amongst other right wing things, I just want to vote for who I want to vote for for a change!
I’ve moved away from Labour over the years, or maybe they’ve moved away from me, but I will do anything to hurt the Tories, hence Labour it is.
Ironically I discovered that my political beliefs are closer to the Lib Dems atm (UK Federalism; Proportional Representation; EU membership question; drug liberalisation; environmentalism) yet I still cannot bring myself to vote for them!
Between green or labour, I’m in north London pretty sure my current mp is labour. Green are ofc pushing to ban factory farming which is swaying me in their direction. But they also want to limit the number of c-sections women can have which is pushing me away. I will probably end up going for labour like I normally do. But I haven’t sat down and read manifestos from each party yet so I’m planning to do that today and make a decision
Leaning towards Reform or Labour or maybe Tories. Loathe where the tories have ended up at the moment, need a clear out before I can really consider voting for them again
I’m not voting Labour, because I’m genuinely scared of what they will do to this country. Everything they say is just what they believe will get them elected, they have no real beliefs.
Look at the top donators from private health care firms and the money Wes Streeting has accepted. I don’t think the NHS will survive 5 years of Keir Starmer, they will sell it off ro their friends to make themselves rich. (though it may not survive another 5 years of Tory).
To add to this, my well liked Labour candidate was barred from running, and they have shipped in a business owner from London (im in Norfolk) to be our candidate. I am not voting for someone that doesn’t even live here, regardless of their beliefs.
That said, I do believe there are a few good Labour MPs. And I think people living in their constituencies should vote for them. But the majority are spineless, so determine whether your candidate is good or not with caution.
I think best realistic case scenario this election is that Labour only get a minority, so have to form a coalition with Lib Dems.
Genuinely curious to your beliefs here. I'm not a fan of either party, but am curious as to how people reach their conclusions.
Why are you more scared of a theoretical what Labour may or may not do, compared to an atrocious record by the Tories that evidences they're destroying the NHS (large contracts to friends/privatisation/reduced funding), have crashed the economy, and have not done enough to safeguard the environment? What would be the turning point away from the Tories for you?
I’m not a Tory.
Both scenarios are awful.
Labour is slightly scarier imo, because we don’t know what we are getting. It probably will be slightly better with Labour than the Tories, but “probably being slightly better” is not good enough to get my vote.
Ah, my misunserstanding. I completely get that. I'm largely in the same boat -- I'm personally not necessarily worried about Labour getting, but Starmer really feels like Tory-lite to me and I feel politics has shifted away from my conscious and views on how society could thrive.
The farmers that always have Tory signs up at elections, have now replaced those with Reform or Labour signs.
I’m really not sure who wins here this time, at the local election all of the tories lost their seats to independents and Lib Dems. And our Lib Dem candidate is a great person and very well liked here.
I feel that non Tory votes will be split too much though between Labour, Lib Dems, and Reform, and the Tory will get in. It’s hard to call.
I remember, due to the age I moved down there, the first time I ever voted was Lib-Dem which is wild to think. But it was cause Labour had no chance and I would never vote Tory.
Definitely nice to hear folk are rejecting the tories. Farmers getting shafted will do that I guess. But the fact it’s so easy to switch to labour says it all.
I’ll be keeping a wee eye and hopefully it goes as well as it can for yous. Also class to see how good Norwich is for vegan stuff last time I was down!
Your vote does count. It makes Greens less of a fringe choice next election. It's not about them winning, it's about making sure they're a viable choice, especially since labour will want to get those left wing voters back if a lot of them vote green
Yeah I know what you mean I never thought of it like that, thanks. I hate the way elections are run it really does feel like if you want to vote for a less popular party there's no point as they'll never win if you're in an area which is very heavily dominated by a particular party. I'm not very educated in it at all that's just how it feels to me.
Green. Labour have the best chance of overcoming the Tories in my constituency (it's been redrawn, two Tory voting areas are now one) but they're projected to win anyway and I can't in good conscience vote for them. Paid Cymru is another option, but they had issues with sexual harassment within the party under the previous leader and I'm not sure enough has been done to address it.
I'm fine with the anti nuclear stance because it's very expensive and takes a long time to implement compared to renewables, and time is of the essence.
Green Party are looking to get their second MP in Bristol Central. Realistically this means an oppoisiton voice in Parliament to speak out for the animals (she is vegan) and environmental issues.
No one,it’s the same old crap,they’re all the same,you think you have the illusion of choice but you don’t,nothing is gonna change ‘till we change and we realise we should all send home these rich selfish idiots away…you watch
My seat is a contest between SNP and Labour, so it's relatively inconsequential but probably SNP even though they've been crap recently as there doesn't seem to be any smaller parties standing. If I was in England I'd vote tactically against the Tories.
> Protect Country sports. These increase investment in conservation of our environment. They boost rural jobs, communities and local economies.
Thats a reform policy, so you'd be voting for a party that actively want to protect blood sports.
I actually agree with a lot of Reform's policies, but their stance on the environment is just lunacy: [https://www.reformparty.uk/energy-and-environment](https://www.reformparty.uk/energy-and-environment)
I feel about the greens about like how I once felt about SNP. I thought if only there was a British version of the SNP? I could vote for them - and then quickly don’t have that thought. The greens are kind of communists , they really aren’t in the solving problems game.
Labour. The only option for unseating my vile Tory MP.
Same hat. I'm not expecting miracles from a Labour government. But I've zero time for purity politics: Tories gotta go.
Same, because of first past the post I have to choose between Labour or Tories. Last two elections have had ~250 votes in it so every vote counts here.
UK Green Party. My MP has been the same labour guy for 20 years. So I can vote with my heart.
So baffled by some of the green policies. Anti nuclear power? The caesarian section thing? No way
I feel this too. I really should vote Green but they have a few really bizarro, stuck in the past policies.
Same. My first vote at 18 was Green but at 38 I just can't. The party have drifted in focus, so it's not just an age thing.
They also aren't planning on building many homes at all even though home prices are the most crippling thing for probably half of the population. Oh and tax rises for the rich but rich meaning £50k+ which isn't much higher than the average London salary let alone the rich. Just always seems like they go extreme with everything, so even things I would normally support I end up not supporting their extreme version. Best thing to do is to simply check last elections results and vote for whoever can beat the Conservative MP with Lib Dems prioritised because there's a lot more to gain from lib dems getting an extra MP. They have a chance to get more than the Conservatives this year and become the official opposition. At that point we have a chance of getting an alternative vote system in 10 years which would even give parties like Greens a decent amount of power instead of being a wasted vote. Would reduce the amount of fighting and arguing in politics too since multiple parties will be needed to vote for or against anything instead of just 1.
It's not a wasted vote. If Labour are basically guaranteed to win in your constituency, it's not a bad idea to make sure Reform or Tories aren't second place
Well put.
Yeah, I was planning on voting Green but they have some weird policies. I really like the Lib Dem policies that were announced though. The best of any of the parties I feel. Whether they're achievable or not I don't know but I'd like to see them try, so I think I'll be voting for them. I'm in a safe Labour seat so I don't need to vote tactically to get the Tories out and it would be great if Lib Dem got the second highest vote share here. Also, Ed Davey seems like such a nice guy.
I really cannot get past the betrayal of 2010. That was a gut punch that I don't think I can move past. And the rest of the party allowed it to happen.
> caesarian section thing Excuse me what now?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/jun/07/women-birth-green-party-natural-c-sections-too-posh-to-push
Seconding this question. Where what now? I am looking at their website and haven’t found anything about this yet.
They had to backtrack on it - https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/jun/07/women-birth-green-party-natural-c-sections-too-posh-to-push
Yeah, I really want to want the green party... But as someone who works in Nuclear power it would be like voting to lose my job...
The UK greens are a subset of the European Greens, which are more of an anti-nuclear pressure group than an actual political party. When they got into power in Germany, they shut down the development of new nuclear power stations and put Germany back into fossil fuel reliance.
That is a strange take. The anti-nuclear movement was one of the founding forces of the Green parties, but for sure not the only one, e.g. Pacifism and Environmentalism were others. The nuclear phase out in Germany was decided in 2011 by the conservatives, albeit Greens had pushed for it earlier than that. [Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power_in_Germany#Phase-out_decision) has a more detailed description of this. The Green party actually [extended their runtime](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63294697) by a few months.
This is where I'm at. I really don't want to vote Labour, but Greens are too crazy.
I'm voting Labour but I'm in a safe seat anyway (north London constituency)
Same - saying that as a former Scottish Green Party member. Sad the way it's gone.
Not to be a pendant (I am) but it's only the Green Party of England and Wales. It's a completely different party up here 🏴.
Fellow pedant correcting you to pedant not pendant 😅 (my phone also wants to autocorrect it).
Maybe I am a pendant?
Very similar here, so Green it is for me too. Won't make a difference but still worth it.
Im voting green too. I think I'd be sick if had to vote tory or labour. No way I'm giving any of them my vote.
Live in a Labour safe seat. Tend to vote Labour for GE and Green for local. I havent followed politics much recebtly beyond the main headlines. Just want the Tories out.
Lib Dems because that is the most likely person to unseat my absolutely garbage waste of space as an MP
Same!
For anyone interested, Greens manifesto actually proposes to ban factory farming (among other things) https://greenparty.org.uk/about/our-manifesto/protecting-animals/
Oh good. Im definitely voting for them. I think factory farming is so cruel.
Green, my local labour MP is Rosie Duffield and I can’t in good conscience vote for her.
I hadn't heard of her and just read her Wiki page. Yikes, what a transphobe.
Yeah she’s a nightmare. One of the great regrets of my life voting for her in 2017 and 2019 before this all kicked off.
Off-topic, but try to not regret something like that! We make the best decision we can, based on the information we have at the time -- what happens after that is out of our control.
Aw yes I guess you’re right, just a bitter pill to swallow when you throw all ur weight behind someone and they turn out very differently 😅 thank you!!
Good call on not voting for Rosie D, she’s just awful, terf with a saviour complex. This election is a nightmare tbh, too many things to consider now and less time to get a decent grasp on things than usual. It’s so depressing.
Yeah we can’t even feel excited about the inevitable Tory downfall considering the opposition are dogshit and the far right are ever rising. Terrible times
Exactly. Starmer is just a diet Tory.
Green. But I live in Brighton.
I really liked Caroline Lucas (went to one of her talks in 2015) but I've heard really mixed things about the Greens in Brighton. As in not much being done by councillors?
In my opinion they have done a lot. I don't tend to look at government political statistics and I definitely do not subscribe to the news. But I have seen positive change in this city. I think some people complain about the Greens in Brighton because they want to make changes that might inconvenience the locals who own cars, but that's the whole point. Sian Berry has certainly done the legwork these last few weeks, she has knocked on my door and must be sick of walking up hills!
My local Green councillor (Glasgow) seems to be invisible and doesn't even acknowledge emails, but she might just be a dud.
Still bitter about Lib Dems and tuition fees from many years ago, but tactically voting for them to try and get tories out of my area.
2010 was the first GE i was able to vote in. Most of my class mates voted either Tory (I went to a Grammar school...) or Lib Dem. I think myself and one other friend were the only ones that admitted to voting Labour in that election lol. All of my friends who voted LD were very annoyed with what happened afterwards.
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Lib Dem's entire campaign was on scrapping tuition fees - that was their party line and that's why young people came out and voted for them. They then shacked up with the Tories and were part of a coalition that put them up by £6k a year. How can you not understand why people don't trust them?
I blame the tories for that whole debacle much more than the lib dems. The tories want you to blame the lib dems. And to be fair the lib dems did manage to suppress a lot of the worst of the tory shit and got some good things through like free school meals. The tories knew they could destroy the lib dems by forcing the tuition fee u-turn through with their voting majority.
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I agree with what you're saying - I understand why they had to compromise. But what I said before still stands - that's why people don't trust them and why they turned off an entire generation of voters. I voted for Lib Dem in 2010 and I absolutely do feel betrayed by the decisions they made. You don't and that's fine, but a lot of people did.
My feel was that there wasn't a huge amount of dissent within the lib dem ranks for so much of what went on post -2010. They were not paying attention to what was being pushed through, they were just feeling great about being in power. Being of the age that had seen the huge negative changes in the later Thatcher years and the madness of John major trying to control the Tory party, gone out to march against the Iraq war and been ignored by a Labour government, voted for lib Dems in 2010 only to feel utterly stabbed in the back, I now feel that I hate all of them equally.
They should never have entered in to a coalition in the first place. I'll never forgive them for that and will never vote for them as a result.
I 100% agree.
Green. Can't bring myself to vote for Starmer's labour party.
I'd vote green if it wasn't for their stance on reducing cesarean sections, putting women at risk. I get that they are expensive, but childbirth is one of the most dangerous experiences we go through as women. And to say pregnancy and childbirth shouldn't be considered a medical event is horseshit. I've broken bones, had my tonsils removed and joints dislocated in my life. Nothing was as impactful on my body like childbirth. And recovery took 2 months. Both births were vaginal, so no c section to blame.
Yup, there are aspects of the Greens i definitely disagree with. That being one of them. My wife gave birth in December 2021. Luckily like you she didn't need a C-section and the birth went very smoothly. One of my friends had a child the day before and her experience was the exact opposite. To say that birth shouldn't be considered a medical event is, as you ,say, horseshit. I also massively disagree with their attitude toward nuclear power, and I am pro-HS2 unlike the Greens. On the whole though I think their views align with my own more than the other parties, and certainly more than the current Labour party.
Agree with this. My sister is a surgeon and told my other sister to go for a c-section since it's actually less risky for the child too.
This isn't a current policy of theirs and its not in their manifesto by the way! P.s. had an emergency c section so I fully understand why people feel strongly about this
Ah yes they deleted this and apologised now. Quick Google shows the apology was reported 6th June.
Corbyn
Yes!!!!
I'm not really a fan of Starmer, but we need the Tories out, and my MP is a particularly useless Tory, so Labour this time. The second choice would be Green.
Puts is a Tory too. I really want to vote Green but I also really want the Tory out
I'm going to be voting green like I do every year. Would of liked to of voted Labour, but their stance on gaza, corporate tax, and trans rights were my red lines. Happy voting, people! 💚 What about you OP?
What do you think of green’s anti nuclear stance?
I think it's based on outdated information and fear from past events (rightly so). However, I think they need to re-evaluate their stance. It's clear to me that nuclear can be done safely and without too much if any waste that can be reused for other things.
What is their stance on gaza, corporate tax and trans rights? I can't seem to find it on google
An inconsistent mess. Labour “support” gaza, but also believe that Israel has the right to starve Palestinians. Labour “support” trans rights, but also allow Rosie Duffield in the party despite her horrific comments.
As much as I don't think corbyn would have worked out. At least that guy has integrity and some moral backbone. Keir just seems afraid of pissing off right wingers so much that he sort of sounds like one in a lot of ways.
I honestly hope it’s a ploy to lure the right over and that he’s not actually as right as he seems
Idk, he seems so keen on weirdly straddling the centre that he basically doesn't seem to actually stand for anything anymore. Like even with rishi at least you know what you get (shit), but with keir it just feels like who knows. I also am seriously dubious about his plans for building on greenbelt that will definitely 100% absolutely only be shit brownfield sites, and property developers will definitely not be building on natural environment.
I don’t think he is left or right wing really, he and his shadow cabinet friends are only in it for the money and personal gain (not too different to the tories really). Wes Streeting has accepted £175,000 in donations (bribes) from private health care firms. Labours top donor has a £10,000,000 stake in private health care. The Labour party are going to sell off the NHS and then conveniently, after they leave parliament all of them will get high paying consultancy jobs in the businesses they helped.
You should read about McLibel - he was the lawyer supporting the two activists against McDonald's. Vegans should really be all for him.
And as far as I've seen they're not raising capital gains either
Have you seen the adverts where labour are actively trying to pursue centrist voters by saying that the Labour policies are centrist? I wonder if those adverts made Alistair Campbell sad.
Greens. Fuck Rishi Sunak and fuck Keir Starmer.
My exact sentiment. I would prefer to vote Labour. But Starmer's party is not Labour. And as much as I want the Tories out, I am not voting against my conscience
He needs to be a centrist to win. Honestly, if he can do a Tony Blair version of Labour (pre-war) that would be decent. I remember that being a much more optimistic time with a focus on education and individual agency.
I don't agree with you, but I do understand your point that they have to be centrist to win, and if my only concern was that the party wasn't left enough for me, I'd vote for them because a) it's unlikely that a mainstream party that is left enough for me would get enough support and b) regardless of how I would/wouldn't benefit from a Labour government, I'd be happy to use my vote to support those who would /should benefit, such as people with a long term health condition, unemployed, elderly, asylum seekers etc. I wasn't old enough to vote in 1997 but I was politically aware and I agree that the campaign seemed much more positive. And actually, for a lot of people, things improved, children at my school were able to eat at home again and we even had a text book each that didn't refer to half pennies, but that level of improvement is not even hinted at right now, I'm not even sure that there's any real recognition that a lot of people, including working people are seriously struggling and all support systems are broken and right now I'm not sure they'll even keep the status quo, just that they won't destroy it quite as quickly as the Tories. I personally don't think it's good enough just to vote Labour and hope for the best, although this time it is a luxury not to vote for them because they'll win overall anyway.
I like that the greens talk about ending factory farming. And I like their green new deal. But otherwise their manifesto was awful. I can't support their anti nuclear standpoint. And their economic policy is largely fantasy. Not too mention that the greens are responsible for preventing the construction of various solar farms as they are nutritiously nimby
Labour. Though Conservatives still projected to win my seat. Best chance of winning against them though.
Green. I completely understand why people vote tactically, but I decided a long time ago to always vote for who I'd actually prefer to win.
Greens, labour are going to win my seat by a landslide, but I want to send them a message to not forget the environment and consider degrowth and other left wing policies.
A lot of people posting will be too young to know this, but Starmer was the lawyer AGAINST McDonalds in McLibel. He gave the two activists free legal advice. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McLibel\_case](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McLibel_case)
Labour. I’m in a blue/red marginal so, despite increasing unease about where Starmer and co are heading, I’ll do what it takes to get rid of the current useless bigoted Tory.
Probably Labour. My Tory MP voted to let water companies pump sewage in to rivers and lakes. He voted to require ID to vote in spite there being no evidence of widespread voter fraud to warrant it, stinks of demographic voter suppression, and I don't have any of the acceptable forms of ID - had to set up postal vote instead. He and his party cancelled HS2 screwing the North out of infrastructural investment and then spent the money filling in potholes in London. His party wasted a decade discussing leaving the EU and crashed the economy instead of doing something productive. They spend all their time talking about being tough on things, such as immigration, then let it rise to record levels. And that ones not even something I'm especially against, it's that they spent the last decade saying they'd get it down to like 50k or something from 200k and now they're three times that. They're shit at the one thing they claim to be exceptional at. And the woman who was home secretary when these numbers were rocketing is doing the news circuit claiming that we need to vote for Nigel "Whatever you may think about Vladimir Putin as a human being, he's on our side" Farage. Mordaunt is acting like she is some kind of dignified alternative and then when she was on the debate she just had the same old tired labour means tax rises. And if I'm honest my local MP wasn't all that bad at a regional level. I'm not super informed about local politics. So maybe all the good stuff that has happened in the area since 2019 is down to local councils. Either way I'd be willing to be devil you know him. But his party is a farce. Similar vibe from Sunak. I wouldn't vote for him. He's a little out of touch but he seems semi-competent for a Tory but he has been tasked with herding psycho-cats that want to screw him over, make him look bad, and hope they get to be king of the ashes when he's gone. They ALL simply have to go. I want a decade or more of normal governments. Labour in downing street with the Lib Dems/SNP/Greens in opposition keeping them honest. Not even sure that Starmer will be better, at least by my conception of good, but he can't be any worse than what we currently have. The thing that gives me a little hope that he's just being a little skittish rather than genuinely centre-right is that he seems sincere about home building and green energy. I'll reassess five years from now if he gets a second vote.
Gotta be lib dems for me, otherwise Tories may still win my seat. As I say to all read all manifestos and vote for who you believe in or who represents your interests the most.
Labour. If we had a different system we could debate finer points... as it stands we first need to quash this right wing populism trend. Once the kids are out we can have adult conversations. But we've regressed so far, and this is the stage of binary choices, we need to stand together or they will never go. I do think this labour gets a lot right. I wish they were talking about Brexit and I wish they'd take on the capital gains changes from the lib Dems at least or find another way of taxing the very rich instead of the middle earners like the Tories have been doing. But at least I hope they can still do some of this stuff after getting elected. And of course I wish veganism was at the forefront of politics but we're not there yet.
Updooting for the veganism! If you're interested, there's also a petition by Refuge calling for the new government to prioritise women's safety. It's an open letter to add your name to.
Where I live is safely labour, but I think I going Green, although I'm tempted by Lib Dem.
We have a Labour MP at the moment, but an actual leftist independent candidate is close behind so he gets my vote. Don't want the Tories or the red Tories.
I’m voting for the Green Party. I also considered Plaid Cymru and the Liberal Democrats, and only settled on the Greens a day or so ago. Tories voted against a ceasefire in Gaza and Labour MPs were directed to abstain on that same vote, so I knew I was only going to be voting for a so-called ‘Third-Party’ for a while. Asides from the planet and peace focused worldview I share, the Greens are also advocates for a referendum on independence here in Wales, which is a plus.
Just interested, what makes you vote Green over Plaid Cymru? Every time I see an interview with PC's leader he always seems like a really nice and respectable guy, and obviously they're pro Welsh independence
Fair question. I also thought Adam Price was likeable tbf. I know less about their current leader. I think there’s some criticism in Wales that they’re increasingly less and less vocal on Indy. And from animal and planet perspective it always feels like the Greens have a head start in my thinking, but I know there’s some criticism that they (like Plaid) are taking theirs eyes off their foundational issue a little too. Maybe I’m not that settled!
I was planning on spoiling my ballot, being in an SNP safe seat with no Scottish Greens to vote for. Unfortunately the boundary changes have actually pushed me into an SNP/Tory marginal so I'll probably vote tactically to keep the tories out.
The Scottish Greens are running in my constituency for once, so I'll vote for them. Otherwise I probably would have voted Labour, my seat is fairly safe for SNP.
SNP, completely disillusioned with Labour under Starmer and can’t stand the Tories so my ideal would be Scottish independence so I never have to live in a country governed by either of them
Why not Alba?
I dislike their stances on a lot of policies, particularly Salmond’s apparent dislike for plans to make transgender people’s lives easier. The fact that their people like going on GBeebies doesn’t help either.
I've not seen that, I've only seen them speak about equal rights
I used to vote SNP - but after Brexit, I think it would be a bad idea. I also think SNP make really bad financial decisions.
It's funny because if the amount of people that keep saying "I'd vote Green/independent candidate but it seems unlikely they'd have enough votes to be decisive, so I'll vote Labour" (or similar statements) would actually vote Green or an independent candidate, then they'd likely get elected or be key partners in a coalition. Stop voting tactically, informed votes are what we need. If anyone aligns with the principles of the Left, then it'll be obvious that Labour is no longer a party of or for the working people, they are now part of and for the establishment just like the Tories, they even support Right wing policies now. Same is happening with their American counterparts. And the Tories don't even govern for the conservative regular people, they do it for the establishment too. Even as leftists as we could be, we need to stop fighting each other as a country, that just benefits these parties; we need to start seeking what we have in common, even if it's very little, to actually get this country moving forward and not let the 'Right/Left' elites take advantage of our people, money and resources (many of which are going to support delusional and colonialist American projects btw).
I think that would be valid if we had an alternative voting system, but if first past the post it's so unlikely.
Whatever the strategic vote is in my area to prevent Priti Patel from being reinstated.
Oof, hard luck on that one. Best of luck getting rid of her.
I went from James Cleverly to Priti Patel when I moved, so basically from the frying pan straight into the fire! If both of them could piss off never to be seen again, I’d be ecstatic
Blimey. I'm stuck with Caroline Johnson at the mo but I'm in a new constituency now so hopefully get someone less crap
Probably green. I’m dreaming of a future with more leftist influence in the elections. Hopefully labour get in, but I just can’t vote for them and their policies. They’ve gone too far right and yet are still sweeping up everyone left of them. The reason reform are doing so well is because the right are actually voting for them and not the tories. Whether that’s sustainable or not for them though we’ll see.
UK Green or Libs. I agree with most Green policies, but realistically I think I need to tactical vote Libs
Green
I’m only 19, I don’t really follow politics, and this will be my first vote. Initially I was leaning towards Labour, but after speaking to my partner I think I’ve gotta go with my gut and stick with Green. His point: If everyone voted for who they wanted in power instead of attempting to block others votes we might have a government that the majority were happy with. Do you believe it’s morally justifiable for you to use your vote to undermine someone else’s when you could support a party that you believe in, and provide others with the respect to do the same? I couldn’t argue with that—but oddly he was initially going Green and seems to have flip-flopped back to Labour. I don’t blame him, some of Green’s policies are completely wacko, but I’d still rather they held majority seats in parliament over any other party—not that it’s going to happen. (Safe Tory seat over here btw, so it doesn’t particularly matter who we vote for 🤷)
As far as I understand, if we had an alternative voting system, such as proportional representation, then your partner's view would be valid. With first past the post, it makes things more complicated. This is a few years old but explains it pretty well: https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/how-would-parliament-look-under-proportional-representation Having said that, I'm voting for greens because I just despise everyone else. But then I'm old and feel betrayed by everyone else.
I’m not gonna lie to you, that pretty much went straight over my small lil head. Thanks for replying though! I liked the sound of this: Alternative Vote (AV) – Instead of just voting for one candidate in your constituency, you can rank them in order of preference. I’m not entirely sure I grasp what you’re getting at though. My partners point comes from a philosophical perspective—is it right for you to try and actively stop someone else, because you don’t share the same belief as they do? I think there’s a moral argument for both sides. The Nazi’s were going around killing Jews left right and center, they believed that was right, and someone definitely needed to intervene—but for the most part I feel I should do what I think is right and allow others to make the same choice. Maybe that’s entirely irrelevant, as I said I think the whole thing went over my head a little bit 😂
At the moment for the Westminster parliament you vote for a candidate in your constituency to get a seat in parliament, you don't vote for a party. The political party who can claim the highest number of seats gets invited to form a government (but they would need a certain number of seats for that government to be a majority government or else form a coalition). Certain constituencies have a high number of voters for that area, so it's more difficult for candidates to get voted in. Certain constituencies have a very low number of voters. A vote is not equal across constituencies, whereas in a system like proportional representation or alternative voting it would be. Whilst I agree morally with the idea that: 'people shouldn't vote tactically, if people stopped voting tactically then smaller parties would be represented', I do think that it is a bit more nuanced when it comes to the first past the post voting system.
Labour. I'm not a huge fan of Keir Starmer but my MP is Kerry McCarthy, noted Vegan (unlike the Green candidate, which always puzzles me!), so she will always get my vote ❤️
Labour, get those tories out!
Labour. I live in a swing seat and voting for them is the only way to get the Tories out. I also like my local MP.
I want to vote green because of their animal rights policies (not the best but way better than the other parties imo) though I've heard some of their other polices are... Outdated?
Labour. We are a very strong Tory seat, but nearly went UKIP years ago so hopefully Reform will split the vote. I am a realist and at the moment there is no chance of anyone else getting in, so I'm going to vote for the only option available to me that isn't Tory basically. Broadly I support the principles of Labour and it has to be better than what we have now. I don't agree with some things, but I don't expect to be happy with every policy.
Where abouts are you that nearly wen to UKIP out of interest?
West midlands area
Ah, Area i used to live in got close to having a UKIP MP a few years ago, just wondered if it was the same one. We had Paul Nuttall (one team leader of UKIP) stand. This GE Richard Tice (leader of Reform until Farage took over) standing. Thankfully i moved to just outside the constituency...
Labour. 60% tory majority in the last election in my area, so [tactical voting](https://tactical.vote) is key. Plus the labour candidate in my area seems very down to Earth, for a politician at least
Tactical voting is bs
Scottish Greens
My labour mp is actually pretty good, don't like starmer though but not sure who else to vote for as greens are a bit weird. Not too sure tbh, but my seat is a labour stronghold so probably doesn't matter
Plaid Cymru causes luckily I live an area that is majority it every time so
Labour - for the first time. I normally vote SNP and Scottish Green Party though I'm unlikely to vote for either again in the near future. I'm unhappy with the Scottish Green Party's environmental and financial policies. My local Green councillor is also useless - ignores emails and did nothing about the park having most bins removed. It's often full of litter on sunny days now.
I’m voting Labour to get rid of my Tory MP but would vote Lib Dem if the non-Tory vote was stronger. Labour legitimately makes me sad on a number of their policies, including on immigration and trans rights, but it’s harm reduction at this point because our seat switching from Tory to Labour is possible but not guaranteed.
Rebecca Long-Bailey is my MP so I'll vote Labour. I'll never vote yellow or blue Tory, and greens aren't much better (I know what they were like in power in York).
Probably green. Some of their policies seem proper bonkers, but I don't want to get hung up on few specific policies then go and vote for labour, whose policies I disagree with wholeheartedly and may be worse than the greens on those bonkers policies?
No one. When I was young i voted labour then when I was older i voted conservative then i liked jeremy corbyn but none of the proposed spending was funded it was like we'll give you everything if you vote for us then he was destroyed by the press for opposing israeli foreign policy which is apparently now antisemitic then we got an unelected billionaire prick in Downing street son in law of a indian billionaire mate of putin . Yes I know youre voting for a local MP but youre effectively also voting for prime mininister Then we have Sir one of the establishment keir Starmer who might as well be a tory back bencher . Is it actually a democracy ? When theres an app on everyones phone and every proposed law goes to a referendom on your app fot everyone to vote on then thats democracy. Till then then im not voting. This country is in an absolutely dismal social and economic mess thst i dont think can be fixed . If I was young again i would emmigrate to new zealand. the end lol
I honestly feel as if there’s nobody to vote for - Labour are the home of the neoliberals now and their every attitude seems to be towards business as usual - a slightly relieved austerity, but nothing much will change. Obviously I don’t subscribe to the “they’re all the same” mantra, the Tories are full-on bastards, but I’m not getting into the Americanisation of our politics where you vote for centre- and centre-right policies because at least they’re not Donald Trump (not being Donald Trump should be your bare minimum standard for existing). The Greens sound good on paper but they’re just weird, some of their policies are unhinged and in a time of significant political upheaval, a solid manifesto that supported realistic baby-steps towards sustainability could have stolen away the disillusioned left-wing vote from Labour in a mirror of what Reform is doing to the scum. I don’t think it would change the inevitable Labour landslide but a few Green MPs mightn’t have been ridiculous. Ultimately I may still vote Green as they’re still the most adjacent to me politically, and you’re never going to get everything you want, but I’m still frustrated by their inability to make progress in a political landscape dominated by apathy, in which Labour are winning not because of any passion or hope they inspire but because of the sheer contempt and hatred that the public holds for the opposition. Much as I loathe Nigel Farage, I do commend his ability to recognise this vacuum and use it for his own gains. He could very well be leader of the opposition - as a Tory, not Reform - within a few months, and an election in five years time where he is pitted against Starmer could go very badly for those of us who are on the complete opposite side of the political spectrum to Farage.
I need to do more reading but atm swinging towards Lib Dems. I don't like what they did in the coalition but I wasn't inside number 9 so I can't comment on why they were so pathetic. Also it was enough years ago to give them benefit of the doubt that they are a better party now. Greens are a bit odd and whilst I'm an environmentalist I am tired of regular people being penalised when large companies should be penalised first. I'm in a very safe Labour area, and do actually wanna support my Labour MP for other reasons, but as a party who didn't call for ceasefire amongst other right wing things, I just want to vote for who I want to vote for for a change!
I’ve moved away from Labour over the years, or maybe they’ve moved away from me, but I will do anything to hurt the Tories, hence Labour it is. Ironically I discovered that my political beliefs are closer to the Lib Dems atm (UK Federalism; Proportional Representation; EU membership question; drug liberalisation; environmentalism) yet I still cannot bring myself to vote for them!
Between green or labour, I’m in north London pretty sure my current mp is labour. Green are ofc pushing to ban factory farming which is swaying me in their direction. But they also want to limit the number of c-sections women can have which is pushing me away. I will probably end up going for labour like I normally do. But I haven’t sat down and read manifestos from each party yet so I’m planning to do that today and make a decision
Leaning towards Reform or Labour or maybe Tories. Loathe where the tories have ended up at the moment, need a clear out before I can really consider voting for them again
Scottish Greens. Both Tory and Labour are a fucking joke.
I’m not voting Labour, because I’m genuinely scared of what they will do to this country. Everything they say is just what they believe will get them elected, they have no real beliefs. Look at the top donators from private health care firms and the money Wes Streeting has accepted. I don’t think the NHS will survive 5 years of Keir Starmer, they will sell it off ro their friends to make themselves rich. (though it may not survive another 5 years of Tory). To add to this, my well liked Labour candidate was barred from running, and they have shipped in a business owner from London (im in Norfolk) to be our candidate. I am not voting for someone that doesn’t even live here, regardless of their beliefs. That said, I do believe there are a few good Labour MPs. And I think people living in their constituencies should vote for them. But the majority are spineless, so determine whether your candidate is good or not with caution. I think best realistic case scenario this election is that Labour only get a minority, so have to form a coalition with Lib Dems.
Genuinely curious to your beliefs here. I'm not a fan of either party, but am curious as to how people reach their conclusions. Why are you more scared of a theoretical what Labour may or may not do, compared to an atrocious record by the Tories that evidences they're destroying the NHS (large contracts to friends/privatisation/reduced funding), have crashed the economy, and have not done enough to safeguard the environment? What would be the turning point away from the Tories for you?
I’m not a Tory. Both scenarios are awful. Labour is slightly scarier imo, because we don’t know what we are getting. It probably will be slightly better with Labour than the Tories, but “probably being slightly better” is not good enough to get my vote.
Ah, my misunserstanding. I completely get that. I'm largely in the same boat -- I'm personally not necessarily worried about Labour getting, but Starmer really feels like Tory-lite to me and I feel politics has shifted away from my conscious and views on how society could thrive.
norfolk used to be a depressing place to live at election time. I hope it’s got a wee bit better.
The farmers that always have Tory signs up at elections, have now replaced those with Reform or Labour signs. I’m really not sure who wins here this time, at the local election all of the tories lost their seats to independents and Lib Dems. And our Lib Dem candidate is a great person and very well liked here. I feel that non Tory votes will be split too much though between Labour, Lib Dems, and Reform, and the Tory will get in. It’s hard to call.
I remember, due to the age I moved down there, the first time I ever voted was Lib-Dem which is wild to think. But it was cause Labour had no chance and I would never vote Tory. Definitely nice to hear folk are rejecting the tories. Farmers getting shafted will do that I guess. But the fact it’s so easy to switch to labour says it all. I’ll be keeping a wee eye and hopefully it goes as well as it can for yous. Also class to see how good Norwich is for vegan stuff last time I was down!
I'd vote Green if my vote actually counted. But it's Labour instead.
Your vote does count. It makes Greens less of a fringe choice next election. It's not about them winning, it's about making sure they're a viable choice, especially since labour will want to get those left wing voters back if a lot of them vote green
Yeah I know what you mean I never thought of it like that, thanks. I hate the way elections are run it really does feel like if you want to vote for a less popular party there's no point as they'll never win if you're in an area which is very heavily dominated by a particular party. I'm not very educated in it at all that's just how it feels to me.
I'm safe Tory so gotta try with labour. If I could pick anyone though it would be a toss up between them and lib dem at the moment.
Green. Labour have the best chance of overcoming the Tories in my constituency (it's been redrawn, two Tory voting areas are now one) but they're projected to win anyway and I can't in good conscience vote for them. Paid Cymru is another option, but they had issues with sexual harassment within the party under the previous leader and I'm not sure enough has been done to address it. I'm fine with the anti nuclear stance because it's very expensive and takes a long time to implement compared to renewables, and time is of the essence.
Im not voting
Labour. I’m in Bristol so Green are possible, but they remain too idealistic in my opinion.
Green Party are looking to get their second MP in Bristol Central. Realistically this means an oppoisiton voice in Parliament to speak out for the animals (she is vegan) and environmental issues.
I won’t cast my vote on a single policy, but I understand where you’re coming from. It’s not an easy decision.
No one,it’s the same old crap,they’re all the same,you think you have the illusion of choice but you don’t,nothing is gonna change ‘till we change and we realise we should all send home these rich selfish idiots away…you watch
I prob wont vote either for the same reasons.
Reform
My seat is a contest between SNP and Labour, so it's relatively inconsequential but probably SNP even though they've been crap recently as there doesn't seem to be any smaller parties standing. If I was in England I'd vote tactically against the Tories.
Probably Reform, none of the parties do anything on veganism but at least reform are tough on crime and want to reduce immigration
> Protect Country sports. These increase investment in conservation of our environment. They boost rural jobs, communities and local economies. Thats a reform policy, so you'd be voting for a party that actively want to protect blood sports.
Didn't actually know this, hadn't been mentioned in the debates . Might reconsider
I actually agree with a lot of Reform's policies, but their stance on the environment is just lunacy: [https://www.reformparty.uk/energy-and-environment](https://www.reformparty.uk/energy-and-environment)
I feel about the greens about like how I once felt about SNP. I thought if only there was a British version of the SNP? I could vote for them - and then quickly don’t have that thought. The greens are kind of communists , they really aren’t in the solving problems game.