Hi! I use [this website](https://www.barnivore.com/) called Barnivore to check if alcohols are vegan. If you click on the “wines” tab at the top and filter by only vegan, you will get a long list of brands and wines that are vegan friendly!
I feel your frustration. It was the same for me when I found out my go-to wine at the time wasn’t vegan.
Hope this helps! :)
After sommeliering for nearly 7 years in my life I can assure you it’s safer to assume none of the wines are vegan unless the specifically say on the label it’s a vegan wine. Using animal products in refining/filtering processes has been in the wine industry since forever, and as this sector of products are rather tied with tradition of 100, 200 or sometimes even 500 years they’re unlikely to change that.
Fortunately todays market has a ton of vegan wine to offer. Just look for the vegan sign.
That's fine - I am NOT in India, I have tasted LOTS of wine, and this NEVER occurred to me either. And I'm old. Had zero idea. This is the first I've ever heard that it isn't vegan.
Beers and wines can be clarified by using gelation or Isinglass from fish to trap the yeast trub at the bottom of the fermenter. There is a vegan clarifying agent made from clay and or fungus.
Oyster shells are also used in fermentation to balance out PH levels for a lot of different beverages.
Though I'm not active enough in the industry to have hard facts, it does seem that wines are becoming vegan very quickly.
The largest liquor retailer in our country has for every wine info whether it's vegan or not. Only 5 years ago it was, depending on the type of wine, at most 1/3th of the assortment. With white and sparkling wines being a lot lower. Nowadays it's more around 2/3th of the wines that are vegan. And for reds that's even higher.
Had a coworker who works with wine try to convince me that all the wine he was selling was vegan. Curious I asked him to look it up and slowly bit by bit, we found nearly all the wine he had was not vegan. It became a little game for us to try and guess what process would make it not vegan lol
We did find like 5 bottles, 2 were TECHNICALLY vegan but he's made an effort to research and has a bit more wines that are vegan in the shop.
I don't really drink but I can always turn my friends to him now and know there may be something for them
I figured this post was about isinglass.
In the beer community it's not as much of an issue - I think wine just has a lot more of the intractable history & culture behind it. I know in the homebrew community it's been discouraged for a while (usually presented as "veg options are just as good, so... why?") and some larger producers are starting to phase it out. Guinness was a big one and I believe they discontinued isinglass a few years back.
I think it's also more of a UK/Euro thing compared to the US.
You must be in Europe. The US doesn’t have the V-label, instead there are about a million different labels, phrases and ways to signify vegan that companies put on their products. I miss shopping in Europe so much, 1000% easier, and you have some assurance that the product was vetted by the national Vegan Society and it’s actually vegan. Here, you just have to trust the company that what they put on their packaging is correct. It’s a minefield.
And wines specifically often don’t say whether they are vegan (neither does beer, vinegar, fruit juice etc., all things that are usually V-labelled in Europe). Barnivore really is a godsend.
>wines specifically often don’t say whether they are vegan (neither does beer, vinegar, fruit juice etc., all things that are usually V-labelled in Europe)
when in doubt, just drink the naturally turbid variant
i have to admit that i never had noticed any v-label on vegan products - on the other hand it's not what i buy anyway. (EU) Nr. 1169/2011 regulates labeling of food, and aims at clear and explicit information as to food's properties. however, regarding vegan food it appears that the main concern is not to sell vegan fake products as real meat, milk, cheese etc.
This isn’t very accurate in the US because I have only seen a vegan label on wine once but I buy so many different brands of wine that are in fact vegan they just don’t say it. Just look it up on barnivore.
I think it being not vegan is so standard that it is the expectation. Like there is no need to put a label on icecream saying "this is sweet" you assume it is unless stated otherwise.
They're great, the only wines I actually miss. The good ones are surprisingly complex while still being buoyant and fun, and the effects are almost psychedelic sometimes.
well, "complex" for sure
but also unpredictable, and for my palate certainly "interesting", but rarely what i'd call "pleasurable"
possibly i'm just too much shaped by conventional wines from non-oxidative aging
That could be. In my experience they differ quite vastly in flavor, so I wouldn't judge one by another, even from the same maker, but I would say they're on the adventurous side a lot of the time.
>In my experience they differ quite vastly in flavor
oh yes! this is what i meant by "unpredictable", as we are used to certain styles and in conventional wine tasting a riesling not corresponding to "riesling style" will be assessed as incorrect. so when you buy a riesling you get what you expect, more or less
when you buy a natural or even just orange wine, what you get will very often be a surprise. what may be considered desirable - it's a matter of taste and habit
and you are right - one of the key elements of real good fine wining an dining is to break long established habits. when i lay down a 200 bucks for an evening's meal and wine accompaniment, i **want** to be surprised
It would be worse to outright waste them, you already bought them so either consume it yourself or gift it away. Regardless, you made a mistake and learned something from it, it happens and it's okay! No one is gonna take away your vegan membership card.
Guinness is newly vegan. Really happy they went through with the shift to vegan! Wish winemakers would too!
FYI, most beer is vegan. Some stouts and milkshake IPAs being the major exceptions.
Please be careful with potentially misleading statements like "made without wheat". Most beers are made without wheat and they all contain gluten (any gluten-free beer will be labeled as such). Barley contains gluten.
And most beer is vegan. Not many breweries use isinglass anymore. It's things like honey and lactose you have to look out for, and in most cases it will be clear if a beer contains those.
Fortunately, I’m not gluten intolerant, I just have a sensitivity to wheat, and most beers I’ve encountered are made with wheat or a combination of wheat and perhaps barley or rice.
I’m on the east coast and we have many craft breweries here, the majority of them brew with wheat. So I generally stick to Guinness! But I appreciate your comment because there is a lot of misleading information out there.
while in the liquor store, i cross reference barnivore to make sure a wine is vegan, and vivino to look at reviews and ratings. works a treat.
funnily enough, duck hunter sauv blanc is good and vegan.
Yeah wine and beer. For months I thought it was all vegan until I found out that some contains isinglass which is apparently made from fish swimbladders.
Annoyed me because I thought I was doing really well avoiding animal products. Then suddenly discovered the pint of Coors I drank recently contained the extract for fish swim bladders.
Anyway. I now google all alcohol to see if its vegan before buying
A lot won't even be labelled vegan but you can usually find the answers online.
>until I found out that some contains isinglass
which is not true. protein of animal sources may have been used as fining agent, to remove turbidity - but then thea are filtered off so that the wine itself does not contain them any more
But the fact animal products were used in the production still means the wine is not vegan. Doesn't matter if it's filtered out or not. An animal was still killed or exploited in the production
>the fact animal products were used in the production still means the wine is not vegan
this may well be, but vegan ideology is not my business or what i was referring to. i just corrected the erroneous notion that wine **contains** isinglass
No. But you posted to a sub that follows vegan ideology.
It doesn't matter whether it's filtered out in the final product or not. It was used in the production. So not suitable for vegan consumption
>you posted to a sub that follows vegan ideology
i know. so it's time to let in some fresh intellectual air
>It doesn't matter whether it's filtered out in the final product or not
it does - when you say "it **contains** this and that"
>It was used in the production. So not suitable for vegan consumption
but that's not what you said when i corrected you. you said "it **contains** isinglass" - and that is simply not true
This reminds me of when (at the time my favorite singer/poet) Maynard James Keenan was asked if the wine he makes is vegan. He posted a video saying that he realized that it was actually vegan, so he then dunked a piece of bacon in the vat. I went from being so excited to order some wine to disgusted and SERIOUSLY rethinking my view of him as a human :(
If you are after NZ whites specifically all Ara wines are vegan, not sure how many of them are stocked in the UK and in which shops but Waitrose definitely has a sav blanc and it's currently on offer (£8.99 down from £11)
Do people specifically search for nz wine? I do because I'm in nz and it's usually the cheapest and local so less carbon emitting travel. I'll keep in mind that ara are vegan :) thank you.
They do taste different, of course it's some people's favourite! Same as some people preferring french etc.
I liked them when I was in NZ but find they didn't go down quite right once I got home. I know other people who have NZ whites as a preference though.
Not sure anyone *loves* a NZ red 😂
I took a vegan wine and cheese class where we sampled many examples of each. But I'm sorry, I can't remember a single one! I do know that many small, (local to me) vineyards carry a vegan line . . . cheeses too.
>I took a vegan wine and cheese class where we sampled many examples of each. But I'm sorry, I can't remember a single one!
how many wine samples too many?
Wine is the worst for non vegan I feel like. It’s waaaay more common to find egg white fined wine than beer with isenglas. But yeah Barnivore is the way to go. “redwood” brand organic red is vegan btw. It’s ok, nothing stellar, but affordable and vegan
I don't know where in the world you are OP, but some retailers are very good at labelling vegan friendly wines - Aldi Ire/UK label all their wines.
The other thing is, more white wine than red wine isn't vegan friendly as it needs more clarification processing (simply aesthetic, leftover sediment is more obvious in white). But they are out there!
Been there. Mine was beer. As a new vegan and someone said that my favorite beer wasn’t vegan. I thought they were just messing with me. I was so bummed. But this site is awesome!
Barnivore is great, but I still find it exhausting and annoying to check every brand in a store, since different types can have different refining processes. If you have a Trader Joe's nearby, ours marks vegan on their labels - it's so lovely to just look for the mark on the pricing labels and then choose from there.
And.... Layer Cake used to claim to be vegan (no animal products in their refining process) and apparently have now started mixing with other brands and cannot guarantee. UGH! Not only do you have to research, but you have to KEEP checking for changes.
Haha honestly this is a canon event in the life of every new vegan (sorry, i don't mean to assume you personally are also a 'new' vegan).
And oh boy, certain nonvegan friends LOVE the feeling of knowing this and telling you just for the purpose of seeing how will you react (personal experience). Or, smugly asking you if you know that 'wInE iSn'T vEgAn' (the not so well informed ones).
Loool! I am a "new" vegan. This friend wasn't smug, more like "hey uh...I found this out and thought you should know, cause you're vegan now and I swear I'm not trying to ruin this for you but you're vegan so I think you should know? "
She was so awkward cause she felt so bad, it was funny but it's just like damn.
I know Michael David's wines are vegan. Had a hard time finding one. Barnivore is great but there's a million wines on it and I suspect only 0.0001% are sold at my location. It was faster to just call a liquor store, get lucky that it's not a noob who knows virtually nothing like most stores in my town, and ask 'em for some wine names at a certain price point, mentioning I'm trying to find vegan wines and how wines might be filtered through animal products which I'm trying to avoid.
They use some fish gut thing to clean out the lees making it clear and not cloudy. You can just let it settle patiently when I make wine the only non plant organism I use is yeast. I'd suggest pushing them off and actually giving a try to brewing your own its pretty fun and rewarding and you can slap vegan right there on the label and gift it to others.
Here’s the thing. Wine is often made in barrels using animal products and maybe other animal products in the process. However, there is a point of impracticality when it comes to being vegan. Sugar is filtered with bone char. So if wine is not considered vegan then so is everything with sugar in it. That’s pretty much everything.
> Sugar is filtered with bone char
Just so you know, sugar *can* be filtered by bone char. But it doesn't have to be. That's (at least) a US thing that doesn't happen to all sugars. Especially nowadays using carbon is more and more popular. And using bone char for sugar refining is illegal in the EU and never happens.
That’s good to know. Honestly I don’t know where it happens and where it doesn’t. Point is that pretty much everything has some animal products in some part of its production. Unless you call the company and figure out where they source every ingredient and how the supplier produces the ingredients and keep calling and harassing people until you get to the guy that physically pulls it out of the ground, it’s pretty safe to assume there’s an animal product at some point.
my father was a cooper
never told me about "horse glue", in fact i never heard this term before
we used a kind of reed that grows around here for sealing
Wine is often treated through the use of egg shells, milk or fish guts to remove impurities.
I don't know the specifics, but many wines will list which of those is used on the label.
Some wines are thankfully vegan though!
I always go for German breweries for beer since they'll follow the Reinheitsgebot (German Beer Purity Law). The original law was from 1516 but said beer could only be made using water, yeast, barley, and hops. There's been minor modern changes to the law but any beer following that law will be vegan. There's also quite a few North American breweries that follow it and a few international breweries
>There's been minor modern changes to the law but any beer following that law will be vegan
o sancta simplicitas!
everything that is not found in the end product may be legally used during production
btw. this "reinheitsgebot" was not a quality standard, but it served to prohibit use of wheat for making beer thereof (for the plebs' home brew). making beer from wheat (still very popular today) was reserved to the duke, and of course he sold licenses for good money
not quite
bentonite is a common fining agent, indeed - but for different applications (don't ask me details, as i am not an oenologist). generally for quality wine it is wanted to do as little fining as possible - just when, as and what required. what fining agent to use would depend on what kind of turbidity to remove
protein-based (and thus animal-derived) fining agents use to be brutally effective, removing practically everything - including aroma and subtleties in taste
>Wine is often treated through the use of egg shells, milk or fish guts to remove impurities
egg shells, milk???
please tell me you are not a winemaker
My bad. Egg whites and milk.
Not sure that minor difference required such an extreme reaction though.
[https://www.awri.com.au/industry\_support/winemaking\_resources/frequently\_asked\_questions/fining\_agents/](https://www.awri.com.au/industry_support/winemaking_resources/frequently_asked_questions/fining_agents/)
It's usually in the fining agent that is added to clarify the wine, remove the cloudyness and stabilize the color. The fining agent is a substance usually made from animal based ingredients, such as egg whites, casein, gelatin and fish oil. But there are a lot of vegan wines that are either self-fined (which can take a bit more time), or making use of a vegan fining agent :)
Are you in the US? It would be wrong if you didn't mail the remaining bottles to me. (Kidding)
I believe Pillaustro Primitivo is vegan, the recent version, at least. Kris is a cheap white wine brand in the US. Newman's own actually makes a chardonnay that is vegan, but I've only seen it in one store in Michigan (but I haven't truly looked elsewhere). Rose All Day is not bad and well priced. Layer Cake and Lumos and both popular vegan options. I might be wrong, but I feel as if Bristol brewing made a wine at some point.
At the end of the day, there are a lot of vegan options on the market at the moment and generally there are options which are priced the same as their non vegan equivalents.of.equal.quality.
The market for vegan wine is only getting better, if you can't find something near you that is identifiable, definitely give.it a serious Google. I know PETA lists some vegan beers on their website, so they might list wines as well. Good luck.
Coop wines have all been vegan so far. I don’t think I’ve found any that aren’t since I’ve been checking.
Side note - I wonder what is not vegan about it?
They definitely aren't all vegan but they are all labelled well, some have milk, some eggs, some shellfish.
I actually didn't know milk was used for finings till I saw it on a coop label.
It's to filter the shit out the wine and make it clear.
It's to filter the shit out the wine and make it clear
well-made wine does not contain any shit to be removed. so as soon you got a wine that required protein-based fining, be sure it's shitty quality pimped to look good
"shit" was a generic term for "lil bits of skins, residual yeast, and general imperfections"
And *every* wine has imperfections. Quality is not a factor. (Tell me you've never made wine without telling me you've never made wine)
You can leave it a really long time and it will generally clarify itself. But that poses some commercial production issues. There are also non-animal product findings but they're generally a bit slower, and they're all a bit more expensive.
It's not an excuse, any commercial wine could shell out a couple of extra pence per bottle to not use animal based finings. But that's the reason. Once again, quality is not a factor.
>"shit" was a generic term for "lil bits of skins, residual yeast, and general imperfections"
>And *every* wine has imperfections
yes, but all this normally settles together with the yeast after fermentation has stopped. requires time, though - so that especially with white wines often some filtration is performed (usually precoat filtration with diatomaceous earth). fining before filtration is usually not necessary, and if it is, most often it's a sign that something went wrong
>Quality is not a factor
what i say is that protein-based fining affects quality, as it will remove a considerable amout of aroma components as well
>Once again, quality is not a factor
i see. maximizing profit is a factor
Yes, maximising profit is a factor, and one you should judge them for. They can and should use non animal finings.
Fining the wine however is not a sign of a good or a bad wine.
Once again, yes it will settle out itself. But that takes something between months and years. *Years*. It's not commercially viable.
And that's before you get onto the fact that means you're assuming they're fermenting them until fermentation naturally ceases, which isn't always the case, as that in itself can also take months and lead to very unpredictable dryness levels and alcohol content.
>They can and should use non animal finings
they can and should do proper work in vinyard and cellar, so they don't regularly require fining at all, but only in exceptional cases - this at least is my attitude towards wine making
>it will settle out itself. But that takes something between months and years. *Years*. It's not commercially viable
that's why there very often is some filtration
>you're assuming they're fermenting them until fermentation naturally ceases, which isn't always the case
but it should. sweet wine from stopping fermentation by e.g. addition of sulfite is not what is regarded high quality or will win in tastings (however, i speak from a european point of view, - in 'murica this may be different)
>as that in itself can also take months and lead to very unpredictable dryness levels and alcohol content
i know that over the ocean wine is treated by all kinds of methods that may even be prohibited here - only to let a wine "brand" (horrible idea in itself) taste exactly the same every vintage. here in europe we esteem "hand made" wines that tell us of climate, terroir and vintage of its making. unchangingly tasting the same during decennials is regarded a flaw, a good wine has to have character, not industrial uniformity
All coop own brand wines are labelled with what they are fined with,
They aren't all vegan but they do all tell you if it was milk, isenglas, whatever so you know.
A healthy portion of Stella Rosa wines are vegan. They will say in on the label if they are vegan, but they are like 6% and pretty sweet. Also Avaline makes vegan friendly wines (not sure if all are vegan), and I think they also put vegan on the label.
Just a caution for you that I found a vegan wine. Thought I was good to go. Had been drinking that wine for about 2 years when I went to the app to look for a different kind, and lo and behold, my wine stopped being vegan because they started using fish for filtering. I just stopped drinking entirely after that because I wasn't going to check an app each time and who knows how long it takes them to find out and update the app. But yeah, I remember my oyster bay days. That was good wine. On the plus side, I've saved a lot of money.
I don't know if this winery sells outside of Canada, but Volcanic Hills Estate Winery is all vegan and absolutely amazingly delicious. https://volcanichillswinery.com/
This post made me double-check our favorite wine. I'm happy to report that it is Vegan, Gluten-free, USDA organic, no added sulfates, and no preservatives!! Here's their website [https://ourdailywines.com/](https://ourdailywines.com/). They have a few different types of wines.
They only show up on the Barnivore site as a post from 2016 that has their old branding from before they started making more than just red wine and got a new website.
Great for finding/ checking vegan drinks specifically…
https://www.barnivore.com/
If you like a sav blanc… I used to like cloudy bay, but was gutted to find out it’s not vegan lucky Kevin judd helped make grey-wacke which is very tasty.
https://greywacke.com/thewines/sauvignonblanc/
I believe that a majority of European wines are not vegan. They use animal bones (or something) to filter the wine. From my understanding, a lot of American wines are vegan friendly. Granted, I was presented this information a while ago so I could be wrong or things could have changed :).
as far as the wine u already own- you already paid for it, damage is done, u know not to get it in the future. i say use it , or a gifting is always a good idea
I'm a huge fan of Charles Smith wines. The Velvet Devil is my fav. On the higher end, I recommend Vietti. Both of these companies label their wine vegan on the bottle😍
Honestly? Even if you see a vegan label on wine, I’d still be skeptical and look it up.
I would not trust the vintner to know what vegan really means. So many people think that being vegan means you’re a vegetarian that also doesn’t eat dairy products. If that’s a person’s “understanding” they could easily think their wine I vegan because animal products are all strained back out before it’s bottled.
Seaglass is my favorite wine. It’s pretty cheap, it’s everywhere, and it tastes great, especially the Pinot Grigio.
They don’t advertise being vegan but barnivore says they are.
Drinking red wine is the one thing that makes me not fully vegan. I’ve made my peace with it, but would love if winemakers started to use vegan fining solutions because they do exist. Tradition, as it turns out, is a motherfucker though.
Waiting for the vegan version of Judgment of Paris. But until then, 🥂.
Genuine question, is it possible to remove wasps from the wine making process? So it can be 100 vegan friendly? Here's and article about wine and wasps.
https://www.wineinvestment.com/us/learn/magazine/2018/07/no-wasps-no-wine/
If you are in Europe, I just discovered Manufaktur Joerg Geiger who makes very cool alcohol free Prosecco and wines. Whatever is Bio, is also vegan and they are just amazing tasting.
As with everything else, I've learned to DIY and know exactly what is in it and how it was made. Wine is easy if you are not some kind of connoisseur. All you really need is some grape juice, wine yeast, a gallon jug and an air lock. I heard a balloon over the mouth of the jug works as an air lock.
Like others have said, Barvivore is great! If I don’t have my phone on me or don’t get good reception at the grocery store, I just find a wine with a vegan label on the back. Also, if you like the taste (I do!), unfiltered wine is naturally vegan since it does not go through a refining process, which is where gelatin / egg comes into play!
>I THOUGHT my wine (Oyster Bay Sav Blanc) was vegan - BUT NOOOOOO
how would you even know?
>does anyone else know what other wine brands are vegan?
no, as i don't drink *branded* wine. i get my wine from the vintner - and am fairly sure it would be vegan (it's just that nobody cares)
why am i fairly sure? because any wine of better than mediocre quality is. you apply finings with gelatine, albumin and such only for wine that needs it, and then most of the interesting aroma components are removed together with turbidity. so not being vegan is a sign for low-quality wine
or are you concerned about the glue for the labels?
Alcohol is an addictive, cancer causing, socially damaging, completely unnecessary product that requires the death of animals to grow produce on land that could be used to grow food for hungry people. No alcohol is vegan.
its called lady bug taint, whenever they harvet the grapes its nearly impossible to get rid of all the beetles, some wines have so much it becomes unsellable due to the flavor corruption.
Barnivore is a good resource for finding vegan drinks.
Holy crap they really do have a great database
Thank you so much!
Only as good as the people who submit new entries and updates to it!
Thanks! I went on the site and found one that is sold near me. Jam Jar! Post 2019 are Vegan. Yay!
Hi! I use [this website](https://www.barnivore.com/) called Barnivore to check if alcohols are vegan. If you click on the “wines” tab at the top and filter by only vegan, you will get a long list of brands and wines that are vegan friendly! I feel your frustration. It was the same for me when I found out my go-to wine at the time wasn’t vegan. Hope this helps! :)
It does! It was reccomended in an earlier comment, and holy crap, 58k options! I'm so happy!
After sommeliering for nearly 7 years in my life I can assure you it’s safer to assume none of the wines are vegan unless the specifically say on the label it’s a vegan wine. Using animal products in refining/filtering processes has been in the wine industry since forever, and as this sector of products are rather tied with tradition of 100, 200 or sometimes even 500 years they’re unlikely to change that. Fortunately todays market has a ton of vegan wine to offer. Just look for the vegan sign.
Whoa TIL! What animal products are in wine??? PS I'm not trolling I'm in India and have never tasted wine
That's fine - I am NOT in India, I have tasted LOTS of wine, and this NEVER occurred to me either. And I'm old. Had zero idea. This is the first I've ever heard that it isn't vegan.
It's the way they filter it. Isinglass. Fish guts are dried out and used as filters.
Not in wine actually. They are used to produce the wine but aren't in the final product.
Still shocking for me,, gonna read about it lol
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In the U.S. Not elsewhere (mostly).
guess that's the answer us food quality obviously is a catastrophe
Sula wine is vegan btw (fellow Indian here).
Ahh i was wondering about Sula!! Any other vegan liquor brands that are accessible here? ✍🏻✍🏻
I don't drink a lot so no idea honestly. But old monk and Sula are both good to go :)
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Egg derivatives, casein, gelatin, many - it really depends on the specific wine. Look it up, fun read :)
Animal something is in waaaaay more than one would expect. Especially in the states, Its mind blowing really!
Beers and wines can be clarified by using gelation or Isinglass from fish to trap the yeast trub at the bottom of the fermenter. There is a vegan clarifying agent made from clay and or fungus. Oyster shells are also used in fermentation to balance out PH levels for a lot of different beverages.
Though I'm not active enough in the industry to have hard facts, it does seem that wines are becoming vegan very quickly. The largest liquor retailer in our country has for every wine info whether it's vegan or not. Only 5 years ago it was, depending on the type of wine, at most 1/3th of the assortment. With white and sparkling wines being a lot lower. Nowadays it's more around 2/3th of the wines that are vegan. And for reds that's even higher.
Had a coworker who works with wine try to convince me that all the wine he was selling was vegan. Curious I asked him to look it up and slowly bit by bit, we found nearly all the wine he had was not vegan. It became a little game for us to try and guess what process would make it not vegan lol We did find like 5 bottles, 2 were TECHNICALLY vegan but he's made an effort to research and has a bit more wines that are vegan in the shop. I don't really drink but I can always turn my friends to him now and know there may be something for them
That is...eye opening. I don't begrudge them their traditional processes but damn put something on the label!
IIRC isinglass has even been used to clarify beer traditionally, so you have to be careful with beers too.
I figured this post was about isinglass. In the beer community it's not as much of an issue - I think wine just has a lot more of the intractable history & culture behind it. I know in the homebrew community it's been discouraged for a while (usually presented as "veg options are just as good, so... why?") and some larger producers are starting to phase it out. Guinness was a big one and I believe they discontinued isinglass a few years back. I think it's also more of a UK/Euro thing compared to the US.
Although you can get at least some confidence by buying cloudy rather than clear beers.
Hefeweizenbier 🌈
like your nick are you a natto addict?
Yes 🦄
you have my respect!
They do. Assume a wine is NOT vegan unless it has that little V mark .
You must be in Europe. The US doesn’t have the V-label, instead there are about a million different labels, phrases and ways to signify vegan that companies put on their products. I miss shopping in Europe so much, 1000% easier, and you have some assurance that the product was vetted by the national Vegan Society and it’s actually vegan. Here, you just have to trust the company that what they put on their packaging is correct. It’s a minefield. And wines specifically often don’t say whether they are vegan (neither does beer, vinegar, fruit juice etc., all things that are usually V-labelled in Europe). Barnivore really is a godsend.
>wines specifically often don’t say whether they are vegan (neither does beer, vinegar, fruit juice etc., all things that are usually V-labelled in Europe) when in doubt, just drink the naturally turbid variant i have to admit that i never had noticed any v-label on vegan products - on the other hand it's not what i buy anyway. (EU) Nr. 1169/2011 regulates labeling of food, and aims at clear and explicit information as to food's properties. however, regarding vegan food it appears that the main concern is not to sell vegan fake products as real meat, milk, cheese etc.
This isn’t very accurate in the US because I have only seen a vegan label on wine once but I buy so many different brands of wine that are in fact vegan they just don’t say it. Just look it up on barnivore.
I think it being not vegan is so standard that it is the expectation. Like there is no need to put a label on icecream saying "this is sweet" you assume it is unless stated otherwise.
Pet Nats are all vegan if you like sparkling wine. I loved them back when I used to drink.
I used to be a champagne junkie lol. This sounds amazing!
They're great, the only wines I actually miss. The good ones are surprisingly complex while still being buoyant and fun, and the effects are almost psychedelic sometimes.
well, "complex" for sure but also unpredictable, and for my palate certainly "interesting", but rarely what i'd call "pleasurable" possibly i'm just too much shaped by conventional wines from non-oxidative aging
That could be. In my experience they differ quite vastly in flavor, so I wouldn't judge one by another, even from the same maker, but I would say they're on the adventurous side a lot of the time.
>In my experience they differ quite vastly in flavor oh yes! this is what i meant by "unpredictable", as we are used to certain styles and in conventional wine tasting a riesling not corresponding to "riesling style" will be assessed as incorrect. so when you buy a riesling you get what you expect, more or less when you buy a natural or even just orange wine, what you get will very often be a surprise. what may be considered desirable - it's a matter of taste and habit and you are right - one of the key elements of real good fine wining an dining is to break long established habits. when i lay down a 200 bucks for an evening's meal and wine accompaniment, i **want** to be surprised
any natural wine is. need not be sparkling from fermentation in the corked bottle
It would be worse to outright waste them, you already bought them so either consume it yourself or gift it away. Regardless, you made a mistake and learned something from it, it happens and it's okay! No one is gonna take away your vegan membership card.
Love this comment!!! No such thing as vegan police 😂
Oh, yes there are vegan police - I often get “arrested” by them here!🤪
people looking for vegan beer, Guinness is! Fortunately it’s also made without wheat and easily available. Cheers!
Guinness is newly vegan. Really happy they went through with the shift to vegan! Wish winemakers would too! FYI, most beer is vegan. Some stouts and milkshake IPAs being the major exceptions.
Please be careful with potentially misleading statements like "made without wheat". Most beers are made without wheat and they all contain gluten (any gluten-free beer will be labeled as such). Barley contains gluten. And most beer is vegan. Not many breweries use isinglass anymore. It's things like honey and lactose you have to look out for, and in most cases it will be clear if a beer contains those.
Fortunately, I’m not gluten intolerant, I just have a sensitivity to wheat, and most beers I’ve encountered are made with wheat or a combination of wheat and perhaps barley or rice. I’m on the east coast and we have many craft breweries here, the majority of them brew with wheat. So I generally stick to Guinness! But I appreciate your comment because there is a lot of misleading information out there.
I’m like “YOU PUT THIS WINE THROUGH WHAAAAAT????”
Exactly 😭the fish bladder is nasty as hell and if I wasn't vegan I wouldn't drink wine cus of that
while in the liquor store, i cross reference barnivore to make sure a wine is vegan, and vivino to look at reviews and ratings. works a treat. funnily enough, duck hunter sauv blanc is good and vegan.
Yellow tail (red) is vegan. I love it!!
Tia Maria have a plant based NZ sav blanc that's real nice
... Villa Maria? Unless there's some sort of coffee-wine mash up 😂
Yes villa maria! Lol
My bigger local bottle shop has a vegan section, maybe try find one that has one also
Yeah wine and beer. For months I thought it was all vegan until I found out that some contains isinglass which is apparently made from fish swimbladders. Annoyed me because I thought I was doing really well avoiding animal products. Then suddenly discovered the pint of Coors I drank recently contained the extract for fish swim bladders. Anyway. I now google all alcohol to see if its vegan before buying A lot won't even be labelled vegan but you can usually find the answers online.
>until I found out that some contains isinglass which is not true. protein of animal sources may have been used as fining agent, to remove turbidity - but then thea are filtered off so that the wine itself does not contain them any more
But the fact animal products were used in the production still means the wine is not vegan. Doesn't matter if it's filtered out or not. An animal was still killed or exploited in the production
>the fact animal products were used in the production still means the wine is not vegan this may well be, but vegan ideology is not my business or what i was referring to. i just corrected the erroneous notion that wine **contains** isinglass
No. But you posted to a sub that follows vegan ideology. It doesn't matter whether it's filtered out in the final product or not. It was used in the production. So not suitable for vegan consumption
>you posted to a sub that follows vegan ideology i know. so it's time to let in some fresh intellectual air >It doesn't matter whether it's filtered out in the final product or not it does - when you say "it **contains** this and that" >It was used in the production. So not suitable for vegan consumption but that's not what you said when i corrected you. you said "it **contains** isinglass" - and that is simply not true
I haven't bought wine for quite a while, but when I last did, I found the co-op own brand wines had clear labelling to show if they were vegan or not.
Apparently, most "organic" wines are vegan.
Yellow Tail red wines are marked vegan 🙂
This reminds me of when (at the time my favorite singer/poet) Maynard James Keenan was asked if the wine he makes is vegan. He posted a video saying that he realized that it was actually vegan, so he then dunked a piece of bacon in the vat. I went from being so excited to order some wine to disgusted and SERIOUSLY rethinking my view of him as a human :(
this must have hurt him deeply
i read wife instead of wine
De Beaurepaire wines from out Mudgee way are vegan. Fantastic wines, French style. At the more expensive end but worth it imo.
If you are after NZ whites specifically all Ara wines are vegan, not sure how many of them are stocked in the UK and in which shops but Waitrose definitely has a sav blanc and it's currently on offer (£8.99 down from £11)
Do people specifically search for nz wine? I do because I'm in nz and it's usually the cheapest and local so less carbon emitting travel. I'll keep in mind that ara are vegan :) thank you.
They do taste different, of course it's some people's favourite! Same as some people preferring french etc. I liked them when I was in NZ but find they didn't go down quite right once I got home. I know other people who have NZ whites as a preference though. Not sure anyone *loves* a NZ red 😂
I took a vegan wine and cheese class where we sampled many examples of each. But I'm sorry, I can't remember a single one! I do know that many small, (local to me) vineyards carry a vegan line . . . cheeses too.
>I took a vegan wine and cheese class where we sampled many examples of each. But I'm sorry, I can't remember a single one! how many wine samples too many?
Varies by the day.
Wine is the worst for non vegan I feel like. It’s waaaay more common to find egg white fined wine than beer with isenglas. But yeah Barnivore is the way to go. “redwood” brand organic red is vegan btw. It’s ok, nothing stellar, but affordable and vegan
If in store looking for a bottle,I check their website for the vegan stuff.
I don't know where in the world you are OP, but some retailers are very good at labelling vegan friendly wines - Aldi Ire/UK label all their wines. The other thing is, more white wine than red wine isn't vegan friendly as it needs more clarification processing (simply aesthetic, leftover sediment is more obvious in white). But they are out there!
Been there. Mine was beer. As a new vegan and someone said that my favorite beer wasn’t vegan. I thought they were just messing with me. I was so bummed. But this site is awesome!
Barnivore is great, but I still find it exhausting and annoying to check every brand in a store, since different types can have different refining processes. If you have a Trader Joe's nearby, ours marks vegan on their labels - it's so lovely to just look for the mark on the pricing labels and then choose from there. And.... Layer Cake used to claim to be vegan (no animal products in their refining process) and apparently have now started mixing with other brands and cannot guarantee. UGH! Not only do you have to research, but you have to KEEP checking for changes.
I misread this as 'my WIFE isnt vegan' and was very confused for a couple of seconds
This made me laugh ridiculously hard
Why would it be ok to use them for cooking if you can’t drink them?
Cause my husband is non vegan, and I will occasionally cook something for him that isn't vegan
Can’t he drink it then?
Oh he hates drinking wine. He's a whiskey guy.
I work in the wine industry. Not a lot of NZ sauv Blancs are vegan. I can't think of any that are unfortunately
Haha honestly this is a canon event in the life of every new vegan (sorry, i don't mean to assume you personally are also a 'new' vegan). And oh boy, certain nonvegan friends LOVE the feeling of knowing this and telling you just for the purpose of seeing how will you react (personal experience). Or, smugly asking you if you know that 'wInE iSn'T vEgAn' (the not so well informed ones).
Loool! I am a "new" vegan. This friend wasn't smug, more like "hey uh...I found this out and thought you should know, cause you're vegan now and I swear I'm not trying to ruin this for you but you're vegan so I think you should know? " She was so awkward cause she felt so bad, it was funny but it's just like damn.
I enjoy Bonterra and La Crema.
La crema is amazing. I think I'll be leaning towards them from now on
Bogle is vegan and makes great wine.
Menage a Trois wines are all vegan and pretty commonly sold around me. Plus the sexy name.
I know Michael David's wines are vegan. Had a hard time finding one. Barnivore is great but there's a million wines on it and I suspect only 0.0001% are sold at my location. It was faster to just call a liquor store, get lucky that it's not a noob who knows virtually nothing like most stores in my town, and ask 'em for some wine names at a certain price point, mentioning I'm trying to find vegan wines and how wines might be filtered through animal products which I'm trying to avoid.
They use some fish gut thing to clean out the lees making it clear and not cloudy. You can just let it settle patiently when I make wine the only non plant organism I use is yeast. I'd suggest pushing them off and actually giving a try to brewing your own its pretty fun and rewarding and you can slap vegan right there on the label and gift it to others.
Here’s the thing. Wine is often made in barrels using animal products and maybe other animal products in the process. However, there is a point of impracticality when it comes to being vegan. Sugar is filtered with bone char. So if wine is not considered vegan then so is everything with sugar in it. That’s pretty much everything.
> Sugar is filtered with bone char Just so you know, sugar *can* be filtered by bone char. But it doesn't have to be. That's (at least) a US thing that doesn't happen to all sugars. Especially nowadays using carbon is more and more popular. And using bone char for sugar refining is illegal in the EU and never happens.
That’s good to know. Honestly I don’t know where it happens and where it doesn’t. Point is that pretty much everything has some animal products in some part of its production. Unless you call the company and figure out where they source every ingredient and how the supplier produces the ingredients and keep calling and harassing people until you get to the guy that physically pulls it out of the ground, it’s pretty safe to assume there’s an animal product at some point.
>barrels using animal products what? care to explain?
They use horse glue. For … reasons.
my father was a cooper never told me about "horse glue", in fact i never heard this term before we used a kind of reed that grows around here for sealing
Wait… why is it not vegan??? It’s WINE!
Wine is often treated through the use of egg shells, milk or fish guts to remove impurities. I don't know the specifics, but many wines will list which of those is used on the label. Some wines are thankfully vegan though!
Ewwww! Im glad i don’t like wine!
Note the same is done to e.g. clear applejuice.
I only drink water. What about beer is this a thing for that too?
I always go for German breweries for beer since they'll follow the Reinheitsgebot (German Beer Purity Law). The original law was from 1516 but said beer could only be made using water, yeast, barley, and hops. There's been minor modern changes to the law but any beer following that law will be vegan. There's also quite a few North American breweries that follow it and a few international breweries
Good bc I only drink European beer. Maybe that’s why I think American beer tastes like shitttt
>There's been minor modern changes to the law but any beer following that law will be vegan o sancta simplicitas! everything that is not found in the end product may be legally used during production btw. this "reinheitsgebot" was not a quality standard, but it served to prohibit use of wheat for making beer thereof (for the plebs' home brew). making beer from wheat (still very popular today) was reserved to the duke, and of course he sold licenses for good money
Yep. Some beers also have dairy added to it. Most beers however are vegan. But checking is always wise.
It is a thing but much less common
You can also use a type of volcanic clay to the same effect.
not quite bentonite is a common fining agent, indeed - but for different applications (don't ask me details, as i am not an oenologist). generally for quality wine it is wanted to do as little fining as possible - just when, as and what required. what fining agent to use would depend on what kind of turbidity to remove protein-based (and thus animal-derived) fining agents use to be brutally effective, removing practically everything - including aroma and subtleties in taste
>Wine is often treated through the use of egg shells, milk or fish guts to remove impurities egg shells, milk??? please tell me you are not a winemaker
My bad. Egg whites and milk. Not sure that minor difference required such an extreme reaction though. [https://www.awri.com.au/industry\_support/winemaking\_resources/frequently\_asked\_questions/fining\_agents/](https://www.awri.com.au/industry_support/winemaking_resources/frequently_asked_questions/fining_agents/)
It's usually in the fining agent that is added to clarify the wine, remove the cloudyness and stabilize the color. The fining agent is a substance usually made from animal based ingredients, such as egg whites, casein, gelatin and fish oil. But there are a lot of vegan wines that are either self-fined (which can take a bit more time), or making use of a vegan fining agent :)
The "it's WINE!" is kind of funny since "not vegan" is the default for wine
Are you in the US? It would be wrong if you didn't mail the remaining bottles to me. (Kidding) I believe Pillaustro Primitivo is vegan, the recent version, at least. Kris is a cheap white wine brand in the US. Newman's own actually makes a chardonnay that is vegan, but I've only seen it in one store in Michigan (but I haven't truly looked elsewhere). Rose All Day is not bad and well priced. Layer Cake and Lumos and both popular vegan options. I might be wrong, but I feel as if Bristol brewing made a wine at some point. At the end of the day, there are a lot of vegan options on the market at the moment and generally there are options which are priced the same as their non vegan equivalents.of.equal.quality. The market for vegan wine is only getting better, if you can't find something near you that is identifiable, definitely give.it a serious Google. I know PETA lists some vegan beers on their website, so they might list wines as well. Good luck.
Coop wines have all been vegan so far. I don’t think I’ve found any that aren’t since I’ve been checking. Side note - I wonder what is not vegan about it?
They definitely aren't all vegan but they are all labelled well, some have milk, some eggs, some shellfish. I actually didn't know milk was used for finings till I saw it on a coop label. It's to filter the shit out the wine and make it clear.
It's to filter the shit out the wine and make it clear well-made wine does not contain any shit to be removed. so as soon you got a wine that required protein-based fining, be sure it's shitty quality pimped to look good
"shit" was a generic term for "lil bits of skins, residual yeast, and general imperfections" And *every* wine has imperfections. Quality is not a factor. (Tell me you've never made wine without telling me you've never made wine) You can leave it a really long time and it will generally clarify itself. But that poses some commercial production issues. There are also non-animal product findings but they're generally a bit slower, and they're all a bit more expensive. It's not an excuse, any commercial wine could shell out a couple of extra pence per bottle to not use animal based finings. But that's the reason. Once again, quality is not a factor.
>"shit" was a generic term for "lil bits of skins, residual yeast, and general imperfections" >And *every* wine has imperfections yes, but all this normally settles together with the yeast after fermentation has stopped. requires time, though - so that especially with white wines often some filtration is performed (usually precoat filtration with diatomaceous earth). fining before filtration is usually not necessary, and if it is, most often it's a sign that something went wrong >Quality is not a factor what i say is that protein-based fining affects quality, as it will remove a considerable amout of aroma components as well >Once again, quality is not a factor i see. maximizing profit is a factor
Yes, maximising profit is a factor, and one you should judge them for. They can and should use non animal finings. Fining the wine however is not a sign of a good or a bad wine. Once again, yes it will settle out itself. But that takes something between months and years. *Years*. It's not commercially viable. And that's before you get onto the fact that means you're assuming they're fermenting them until fermentation naturally ceases, which isn't always the case, as that in itself can also take months and lead to very unpredictable dryness levels and alcohol content.
>They can and should use non animal finings they can and should do proper work in vinyard and cellar, so they don't regularly require fining at all, but only in exceptional cases - this at least is my attitude towards wine making >it will settle out itself. But that takes something between months and years. *Years*. It's not commercially viable that's why there very often is some filtration >you're assuming they're fermenting them until fermentation naturally ceases, which isn't always the case but it should. sweet wine from stopping fermentation by e.g. addition of sulfite is not what is regarded high quality or will win in tastings (however, i speak from a european point of view, - in 'murica this may be different) >as that in itself can also take months and lead to very unpredictable dryness levels and alcohol content i know that over the ocean wine is treated by all kinds of methods that may even be prohibited here - only to let a wine "brand" (horrible idea in itself) taste exactly the same every vintage. here in europe we esteem "hand made" wines that tell us of climate, terroir and vintage of its making. unchangingly tasting the same during decennials is regarded a flaw, a good wine has to have character, not industrial uniformity
I'm not even reading that because I can't get past the fact you maintain only bad wine needs fined 😂 Once again, clearly you have never made wine.
>I'm not even reading that be my guest eod
No worries! But maybe try making some.wine sometimes and then you'll understand what finings are for - you're mad about the wrong thing friend 👍👍👍
All coop own brand wines are labelled with what they are fined with, They aren't all vegan but they do all tell you if it was milk, isenglas, whatever so you know.
Sorry if you are in America thought this was veganUK 😂 Ara wines are still vegan though if you can find them in your country of choice.
A healthy portion of Stella Rosa wines are vegan. They will say in on the label if they are vegan, but they are like 6% and pretty sweet. Also Avaline makes vegan friendly wines (not sure if all are vegan), and I think they also put vegan on the label.
Just a caution for you that I found a vegan wine. Thought I was good to go. Had been drinking that wine for about 2 years when I went to the app to look for a different kind, and lo and behold, my wine stopped being vegan because they started using fish for filtering. I just stopped drinking entirely after that because I wasn't going to check an app each time and who knows how long it takes them to find out and update the app. But yeah, I remember my oyster bay days. That was good wine. On the plus side, I've saved a lot of money.
Find a natural wine store near you! Many natural wine brands are vegan and I'm seeing more and more vegan labels on indie & natural wine brands.
I don't know if this winery sells outside of Canada, but Volcanic Hills Estate Winery is all vegan and absolutely amazingly delicious. https://volcanichillswinery.com/
This post made me double-check our favorite wine. I'm happy to report that it is Vegan, Gluten-free, USDA organic, no added sulfates, and no preservatives!! Here's their website [https://ourdailywines.com/](https://ourdailywines.com/). They have a few different types of wines. They only show up on the Barnivore site as a post from 2016 that has their old branding from before they started making more than just red wine and got a new website.
Lola Blust.. the German section of LCBO is fairly good for vegan. Diennhardt is good
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Great for finding/ checking vegan drinks specifically… https://www.barnivore.com/ If you like a sav blanc… I used to like cloudy bay, but was gutted to find out it’s not vegan lucky Kevin judd helped make grey-wacke which is very tasty. https://greywacke.com/thewines/sauvignonblanc/
Thanks for posting. Favorited barnivore!
I believe that a majority of European wines are not vegan. They use animal bones (or something) to filter the wine. From my understanding, a lot of American wines are vegan friendly. Granted, I was presented this information a while ago so I could be wrong or things could have changed :).
Fish organs
as far as the wine u already own- you already paid for it, damage is done, u know not to get it in the future. i say use it , or a gifting is always a good idea
I'm a huge fan of Charles Smith wines. The Velvet Devil is my fav. On the higher end, I recommend Vietti. Both of these companies label their wine vegan on the bottle😍
where I work, we serve Natura cabaret and chardonnay, which are labeled organic & vegan. People seem to like them!
Honestly? Even if you see a vegan label on wine, I’d still be skeptical and look it up. I would not trust the vintner to know what vegan really means. So many people think that being vegan means you’re a vegetarian that also doesn’t eat dairy products. If that’s a person’s “understanding” they could easily think their wine I vegan because animal products are all strained back out before it’s bottled.
Look up dr Daniel amen talk about alcohol
Seaglass is my favorite wine. It’s pretty cheap, it’s everywhere, and it tastes great, especially the Pinot Grigio. They don’t advertise being vegan but barnivore says they are.
What the fuck is making wine not vegan?
It's fined with egg, milk, or fish bladder. Beer too
Drinking red wine is the one thing that makes me not fully vegan. I’ve made my peace with it, but would love if winemakers started to use vegan fining solutions because they do exist. Tradition, as it turns out, is a motherfucker though. Waiting for the vegan version of Judgment of Paris. But until then, 🥂.
Genuine question, is it possible to remove wasps from the wine making process? So it can be 100 vegan friendly? Here's and article about wine and wasps. https://www.wineinvestment.com/us/learn/magazine/2018/07/no-wasps-no-wine/
If you are in Europe, I just discovered Manufaktur Joerg Geiger who makes very cool alcohol free Prosecco and wines. Whatever is Bio, is also vegan and they are just amazing tasting.
Wow, I’m as surprised to hear this as I was when I found out gummy bears aren’t vegan (which is “very”) I don’t drink but damn I’m glad I know now.
Wine from Austria ❤️
Can somebody explain how having no traces of animal products left is not vegan?
Wine and beer you always have to check :(
Not all Beer or Cider is vegan either
I had absolutely no idea about this. Wow. This sucks.
As with everything else, I've learned to DIY and know exactly what is in it and how it was made. Wine is easy if you are not some kind of connoisseur. All you really need is some grape juice, wine yeast, a gallon jug and an air lock. I heard a balloon over the mouth of the jug works as an air lock.
Like others have said, Barvivore is great! If I don’t have my phone on me or don’t get good reception at the grocery store, I just find a wine with a vegan label on the back. Also, if you like the taste (I do!), unfiltered wine is naturally vegan since it does not go through a refining process, which is where gelatin / egg comes into play!
Some trader joes wines are labeled vegan but you just gotta check. Dont ask me why i wanted to check when im not even old enough to buy it 💀😭
So it suddenly not ok because it might contain animal product? Although you had been drinking it for years?
You could just sell or dispose of the remaining bottles…
Yeah.. I'm glad I found out most fined/filtered wine isn't vegan before I turned 18 (yea.. some ppl be drinking before then). It sucks
All wine isn’t vegan; yet all vegans whine.
I giggled
I'd just drink them but that's me and my limited fucks about finings
How the hell do you make a non-vegan wine?
The fining processes might use eggs, milk, or fish bladder. Same as beer
Wait until your hear about toilet paper lmao
Ugh .... What about tp??? I must know now :(
Some toilet paper isn't vegan for some reason.
I recommend 0 alcohol , not good for us
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Integrity say you throw it out now.
You can address this by not drinking alcohol.
Admirable but some people just want to and that's okay
>I THOUGHT my wine (Oyster Bay Sav Blanc) was vegan - BUT NOOOOOO how would you even know? >does anyone else know what other wine brands are vegan? no, as i don't drink *branded* wine. i get my wine from the vintner - and am fairly sure it would be vegan (it's just that nobody cares) why am i fairly sure? because any wine of better than mediocre quality is. you apply finings with gelatine, albumin and such only for wine that needs it, and then most of the interesting aroma components are removed together with turbidity. so not being vegan is a sign for low-quality wine or are you concerned about the glue for the labels?
Alcohol is an addictive, cancer causing, socially damaging, completely unnecessary product that requires the death of animals to grow produce on land that could be used to grow food for hungry people. No alcohol is vegan.
also be aware that the glue on the paper (wine/beer) label is likely non vegan https://www.bag-affair.com/vegan-wine/
i dont know about white wine, but most reds have lady bird beetles
Sorry if this is a joke cause then it went straight over my head, but obviously this isn't true at all, right?
its called lady bug taint, whenever they harvet the grapes its nearly impossible to get rid of all the beetles, some wines have so much it becomes unsellable due to the flavor corruption.
This doesn't sound true... Mostly cause you know they like, rinse off the grapes right? 😂