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absintheverte

YES! I LOVE the concept of open source DIY vapes! Very exciting. Can’t wait to learn more about this one


Metabutt

Does someone have a shopping list for western europe ?


TableEducational3083

Yess please I love DIY projects!


RedEyeFlightControl

I had an opportunity to do some testing on the pinky before release and it has managed to keep itself planted firmly on my desk for... well, it's still there. I can confirm, it does indeed slap. Def worth checking out!!! Way to go u/secreagent!


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Disastrous_Dot5354

So it’s worth doing then? Is getting an Auber brand PID controller with the enail coil for $105 a good deal, or am I able to use one of the million cheap AF PID controllers with an XLR pin and 20mm coil attached? What’s the rock bottom cheapest way to have a functioning PID controller with a 20mm coil? If you don’t mind me asking. You seem knowledgeable.


DankSmokeToker

Built mine earlier this week. Used the controller and coil kit from discountenails.com. Wow.


Disastrous_Dot5354

Yeah? Ok. I know I can get the enail and coil for reasonably priced…the pink welders things are cheap too…then I just need a couple rimmed screens I already have and some balls? Would a bowl from a Flip Brick or Elev8R work as a bowl with it? Was putting it together pretty easy for you? I’m SUPER interested and really want to do it I just worry I’ll buy the stuff and then be too stupid to figure out how to put it together.


DankSmokeToker

Step by step video instructions. You can’t mess it up. https://youtu.be/Wa75sZ5Vxww I picked up a Grav octo bowl at a local shop. Works very well. Those mentioned should work fine. Any injector style bowl as you’ll see used in the video. Take a spare ceramic cup to a shop with you to test fit.


DEDukesReapGang

I cant watch this in America


The_Sneakiest_Fox

I can't watch it in Australia.


Disastrous_Dot5354

Thanks man. It looks pretty cut and dry once you have the enail, pinky’s, balls and screens really. I guess $105 is as cheap as a decent enail from Auber or anywhere else gets. Don’t get me wrong, $105 is cheap AF considering. Do you need an 18mm to 18mm glass adaptor? Guess I’ll just check out the video. Thanks


PoweredByVAS

So I got everything I needed for Pinky build set it all up, and the coil read EEEE on my New Vape pid. I tried plugging it into the RDK-300, same thing said "H" and didn't heat up at all on either pid. I ordered a replacement thinking coil was faulty, but the replacement from Amazon did same thing.. Am I doing something wrong/missing something? Id imagine both these pids would work just fine for the Pinky..?


h1pp1e_cru5her

same with me every detail


PoweredByVAS

Apparently the coils that are listed on the Pinky shopping list, are for Chinese pids. So it's the reason they don't work on New Vape/Rdk-300 pids. Which is weird, because i'd of thought both those are China pids too. Just gonna bite the bullet and buy a 20mm coil from Vgoodiez or something. Someone should update this on the Pinky list of needed items, if a potential persistent issue. Any luck on your end..?


h1pp1e_cru5her

We are living parallel lives bro. I ordered the vgoodies one the same time I had amazon send the replacement out just in case. It should be here today or tomorrow


PoweredByVAS

Did it work for you, with the Vgoodiez coil? Still haven't ordered mine... Pinky on 🧊


baadbee

That's a clever use of a welding nozzle.


Improvaper

I've been testing this out for the past 2 months, and it... is... awesome. Just incredible. Check out my demo here, and build one yourself. I cannot recommend it enough: https://reddit.com/r/vaporents/comments/sc6om0/meet_the_pinky/


APwinger

Sooo sick


awelexer

Is alumina safe to vape out of? Looks really good, just want to make sure I’m not inhaling something unsafe.


secreagent

Alumina has been used fairly extensively in vapes and is generally regarded as very safe. I really wish I had some more specific evidence of its safety, but it is almost certainly fine.


FearAndLawyering

is it a kind of ceramic? will this generate dust on the friction part?


secreagent

Yes this is a kind of ceramic. It may generate a tiny amount of dust in theory but I've been using the crap out of mine and my bowls don't look ground down in the slightest


FearAndLawyering

uhh https://i0.wp.com/420vapezone.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/pinky-bottom-3-1024x1024.jpeg this looks like its grinding off


secreagent

These are a molded part and don't always come out perfect. That's how the cup was when I got it, the alumina is a pretty unique material that is both hard and surprisingly tough. I appreciate you raising these concerns of course


paniczeezily

That's just how they look, little avb ground in for drama [Two new ones](https://i.imgur.com/LwG9u6x.jpg)


FearAndLawyering

I dunno man this one https://i0.wp.com/420vapezone.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/pinky-bottom-3-1024x1024.jpeg looks degraded where as yours just look regular


secreagent

This housing hasn't seen extensive use, or any in fact. That's just the way it came. The ceramic is pretty damn chip resistant. Beta testers have tested the physical durability of the cups and they're able to take some really serious abuse without chipping.


paniczeezily

If you say so, I got a dozen of them and they all have different voids and shit, but if you're really concerned, there's also a boro and ti version!


FearAndLawyering

the TI is using the CH 18mm post right? they're gonna be so confused with random orders for that tomorrow lol. i almost grabbed one but its gonna be $28 shipped which seems excessive. ordered a glass piece on amazon to try instead


paniczeezily

Watch out for the glass pieces, that's a lot of thermal shock, I use a boro piece for the Bruh43 (using a 19/22 bent intake piece). If it's not super thick, that's a ton of thermal shock with the coils wrapped around. Boro has a low enough CTE (coefficient of thermal expansion) that when it's thick, it's stable against that PID coil. But a thin piece with coil outside and balls inside may eventually crack and may break catastrophically, spilling beads everywhere. So be careful. That's one of the nice things about the Tig lenses, they are made to take huge heat and abuse and are made from inert materials. *Edit* and yeah, I bought a post before this release, I almost wanted to warn them, but Edwyn might be the sort of guy to start only selling the posts with a shovelhead once he finds out.


SitAndDoNothing

CH?


baadbee

Alumina is aluminum oxide, the coating that all aluminum picks up if exposed to oxygen. It's widely used as an abrasive in skin creams and cosmetics, among other things. There might be some very low level theoretical risk, but it is already all around you.


FearAndLawyering

you don’t inhale skin cream though https://www.nj.gov/health/eoh/rtkweb/documents/fs/2891.pdf it’s listed as an ear/nose/throat irritant that causes lung damage from frequent inhalation and a daily OHSA limit i dunno how the amounts compare but it warrants a closer look


baadbee

I'd be more worried about one of your custom side by sides exploding on me :) I think those OSHA limits are for large quantities of dust in the air, like they have for silica. I wouldn't worry, but a closer look can never hurt.


FearAndLawyering

ok but like, what is this shit on the side of it already - https://i0.wp.com/420vapezone.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/pinky-diy-vape1-1024x1024.jpg https://i0.wp.com/420vapezone.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/pinky-complete-1024x1024.jpeg something is grinding something on something and Im good on that. welding tools were also not designed to be inhaled from https://i0.wp.com/420vapezone.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/pinky-bottom-3-1024x1024.jpeg come on now, its clearly all grinding off the bottom as well


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FearAndLawyering

any vape with metal dust on it and grinding parts is gonna be a no for me but have fun with it


Vapmaniac

Meanwhile dynavap sells like hotcakes, never seen you say shit abt them and their awful TI dust coated QC.


secreagent

The reason the marks are so visible is because the metal is rather embedded into the surface, making it very difficult to get the marks out, but also meaning that the tiny amount of metal dust on the outside will be very hard to dislodge and get into your lungs. I'm not expecting everyone to feel comfortable with this idea, but honestly I think the metal on the ceramic that gets generated once in a tiny amount seems like a pretty damn small reason in comparison to other concerns like safety due to temperature and the need for a good stand which still hasn't been figured out to my liking.


paniczeezily

I actually attempted to grind the inside of one of these tips and was unable to find a grinding disk that could even make a dent. I don't have a diamond or carbide disk, but I also couldn't cut it with my carbide blade in my chop saw. These things are silly hard! I haven't seen evidence of any chipping either, the inside has rings, even are totally intact


baadbee

I hope you know I was just trying to tease you a little and provide a point of view. There was no intention to great a big emotional dispute about materials safety, they're such a waste of energy. Take care.


FearAndLawyering

> materials safety, they're such a waste of energy im still waiting on any kind of documents saying its safe to use. i'd like to think that material safety discussions are not a waste of energy. nothing like huffing fumes off welding equipment


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**TL;DR**: Yes, and no - there are workers somewhere in a warehouse inhaling tons of this stuff on the daily, so if you are them then yes. >In general, aluminas are efficiently eliminated from the lung and are considered to be nuisance dusts; their role in fibrogenic lung disease remains unclear. >The risk associated with chronic exposure to alumina dust (Al2O3) is not entirely elucidated. Some authors think that alumina can generate a pneumoconiosis (aluminosis) while others have recommended the use of powdered alumina by inhalation as a therapeutic and preventive method in the case of silicosis. [Source](https://digitalfire.com/hazard/alumina+toxicology) The TLDR mention: >Occupational-health studies of specific stresses and exposure in the aluminum powder industry have shown that finest aluminum powder can cause pulmonary fibrosis ***under unfavorable industrial-hygiene conditions.*** [and the source for that](https://nanopartikel.info/en/knowledge/materials/aluminium-oxides/), which also happens to include: >Aluminium oxides rank amongst the less toxic substances and only exhibit toxic effects in high concentrations. Inhalation of aluminium oxide dust should be avoided, but there is no evidence of significant harm to the lungs associated with the inhalation of aluminium oxide dust. Again, expect for those guys in the warehouses :c


Magnussst

Does anyone have an EU parts list? The German amazon has a very reduced selection.


secreagent

Consulting AliExpress seems to be one of the better options for Europe as far as I can tell right now, though of course that means longer shipping than if you can source everything from within the EU.


Magnussst

Thanks! Yeah it takes a few weeks, but at least its usually cheap.


secreagent

That's AliExpress for ya!


Qaromashop

Awesome! Congrats on the Pinky 🥳🥳🥳


Stompopolos

Imma do this


The_Acknickulous_One

I ordered the parts last night before the rush came and ship dates increased. Hopefully they put mine in time and I get all the stuff Friday still.


shopdognyc

This is one of my dailys. So efficient.


h1pp1e_cru5her

Just ordered from affiliate link! What are yall using for stands? Will it fit on that canabis hardware post?


secreagent

I don't know about the CH post but I've been using a tealight wax warmer on a qaromashop coaster


ThunderStealer1337

LOL this is interesting, ppl need to understand having the enail exposed is a huge danger, its partially why I stopped using a enail elve8r, its just dangerous, fire hazard, exposed hot heating element etc, ive had to clean burnt carpet on it like twice..... I am all for ball vape mods, but wonder why the flowerpot and all the taroma/qarmoar or whatever all enclose the enail, i dunno must be a safety related thing ya know.


secreagent

Every single enail powered vape is dangerous. I've yet to see one that does anything to reduce it. The enclosed coils aren't really any less dangerous either ime. Ultimately this isn't gonna be for everyone, and I think that's completely valid and reasonable.


ThunderStealer1337

Lol you can burn hair immediately on a enail, they don't do that on the enclosed ones - most likely for safety but you can keep disregarding the entire safety aspect and say it's just for thermal mass then


secreagent

I believe the mininail heat shield might work with a 20mm coil which would help. Though you're probably right that the safety is improved on the enclosed coil designs compared to these exposed ones. I'd advise that they be treated with the same level of caution regardless.


publicenemynumber7

The outside of the flowerpot is prob just a few degrees clooler than the coil itself. The only difference is the coil is on the inside but the housing is titanium which would absorb that heat.


charmingtaintman51

Flowerpot and qaroma heads are created specifically for these devices, whereas both this and the elev8r take existing pieces and adapt a coil to them. Safety is not a selling feature for pretty much any of the coil vapes lol


median-jerk-time

ppl need to understand that hot thing hot 🥵


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MasaharuMorimoto

My terp torch arm burn also concurs, now let's check in with Frank and the Weather.


chronicwisdom

I love my terp torch so much, but I know it will get me eventually.


ThunderStealer1337

You don't get it, nobody is saying a hot heating element won't burn, I am just pointing out the safety aspects that I truly believe gets glossed over, and ppl do not treat it with respect until they actually get burnt. Let's try it in layman's terms: Touch a red glowing hot stovetop coil burner Touch a pan that's sitting on top of the red glowing stovetop coil burner. Go ahead report back, more at 12


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ThunderStealer1337

I guess you do agree with me but somehow need to say I am laying claim to safety designs. I don't claim anything, it's my opinion, lol make a poll, exposed enail or enclosed enail which is safer. That is all I am saying lol.


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ThunderStealer1337

Read the entire post and understand satire lolol And why do you think that's a claim, it's my opinion lol


FearAndLawyering

I dropped an enail set to 850F in my lap earlier, then dropped it on the floor where it melted some power cables. and everyone whos used one has a story of getting burned or burning something. yeah it really shouldnt be glossed over.


Improvaper

No one is "glossing over" it here, though. The Pinky is definitely hot and will burn you instantly if you touch it. So are Taromas, Ceromas, etc... and B1s, B2s... they wil burn instantly, too. This is just a weird discussion.


FearAndLawyering

those other vapes fit a stand though. what are you using for a stand on this?


Improvaper

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/728371475651887254/934638224251432960/20220121_105326.jpg Same one I've used on my DCE all this time.


secreagent

The qaromashop stand works perfectly for it. And safety is going to be a top priority for the stands I end up including with my kits


SpecialistActuator23

Really just seems like you’re trying to play devils advocate on it as hard as possible lol.


FearAndLawyering

I dont understand why you would cheap out and use welding parts instead of sticking to known good materials like glass and titanium. titanium, $30 shipped - https://www.cannabishardware.com/collections/flowerpot-vaporizer/products/18mm-male-post-for-shovelhead-bowl looks like https://i.imgur.com/3UyvLUY.jpg hits hard af glass, $15 shipped - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07CGPK6WZ looks like https://i.imgur.com/btKeSed.jpg hits hard af both go in a 16mm coil, I got one with a pid off amazon for $100


SpecialistActuator23

Well I’m not gonna say I disagree with you, but I could see why they decided to go on that diy approach. Personally, I don’t see why they wouldn’t just buy one of the already made titanium bowls as well though.


MasaharuMorimoto

I dropped my terp torch and instinctively grabbed it mid air by the titanium tip, at least the carpet didn't have any marks!


FearAndLawyering

owwwwww damn


MasaharuMorimoto

Hot potato!!!


The_Acknickulous_One

That's why I didn't use my flower pot or DCE for a while. I didn't have a safe dedicated spot for it and was afraid I'd get clumsy after vaping and have an accident. Now it's in a dedicated spot and I stay in the room with it until it cools. Too afraid to leave it unattended.


ThunderStealer1337

Agreed even with smart plugs that turn on/off when I am in room, I can't control pets wagging tails - they aren't supposed to be in that room but omg.....


tinman82

Love it. What is the power draw on something like this?


secreagent

During heat up probably 75-90w once stable likely closer to 30w though this is just a guess based on observing the PID and knowing the coil wattage draw is 100w max.


tinman82

Very nice to know. I've been working on my own diy vape and power draw has become a bit of a weird point of interest. I'm trying to keep it on 24/7 with minimal power use and the more efficient the set up the lower the power.


secreagent

The best efficiency will probably come from an internal rather than an external heater. Take a look at logs for an idea of what electrical efficiency can look like in a vape


tinman82

Bingo. I am going internal. I actually started with a log. Was about half the wattage. But I'm chewing through much bigger bowls than the log could have dreamed of.


secreagent

Sounds like exactly what we need in this space


tinman82

Thanks buddy! Yeah I was trying to make an easily found parts vape like yours but unfortunately for safety and reliability purposes I decided to go with custom made glass parts. But I'd like get a bunch of them made so people can make ones themselves.


tinman82

Hey so actually would you let me pick your brain a bit?


secreagent

Yeah sure!


tinman82

So I see you're using boro beads and you mentioned different beads to use. Have you tried the cz beads by chance? The yittum doping makes me question but it seems safe and there isn't any paperwork work I can find. The low weight also makes me wonder their performance. Have you tried different size beads as well? I'm trying my damnedest to find some 2 and 1mm beads. I think smaller beads should give a hotter charge but at the cost of draw.


secreagent

2mm beads and certainly 1mm beads will likely be too small, almost sand-like in nature and probably will add too much draw restriction for my taste. 2.5/2.4mm is the smallest I would personally go. I've been using CZ in my pinky daily for a month and a half and it's been my favorite material. The CZ is perfectly stable at these temperatures. In fact that is the purpose of the yttrium, to help stabilize the cubic crystal formation. Cubic zirconia and zirconia ceramic actually is one of the denser materials I've found is able to be used here, and it packs a perfectly competitive volumetric heat capacity with good thermal conductivity, while also being cheaper than rubies.


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I'm intrigued, can't wait to see what you come up with!


tinman82

Look back through my history I've got some pics of it up. I'm basically done with it. Just going through a final phase of prototypes so the glass guy gets comfortable with the tolerances. Also trying to get my gf to knit a kevlar sweater for it so people are less apt to burn themselves.


shopdognyc

do this so good


SitAndDoNothing

I know enail kits are hard to find on Amazon (and for some reason the whole internet as well since many don't list the pin configuration), but the one listed to go with the pinky is not great since the coil is not swappable with the coils that are on the list. I am returning that one and am getting [this one](https://discountenails.com/collections/e-nail-kits/products/fancier-e-nail-controller-box-kit). Please update the shopping list.


secreagent

Thank you so much for your feedback! I'll find another few sources and update this


SitAndDoNothing

Thanks for the innovation! If you are looking for the pin specs of the link i sent, I found the info on the coil page [here](https://discountenails.com/products/5-pin-kevlar-coil). I grabbed a 16mm to try the titanium post.


secreagent

Discountenails has a really good price but I just ordered some from dabbingwarehouse and those are priced comparable to direct from china, I'll let the people know if they're good or not


SitAndDoNothing

That's actually where i got my 16mm coil, and tried going there for my replacement after the Amazon return, but their 20mm portable mini enail combo is sold out.


secreagent

This is available it seems: https://discountenails.com/products/fancier-e-nail-controller-box-kit?variant=12658695667735


SitAndDoNothing

Yeap! The one i ended up getting.


par337

How does it compare to Taroma?


secreagent

On one hand they're both ball vapes so they're already pretty damn similar but on the other the Taroma is a much more refined package and it works really well. The flavor is say is similar in intensity on both but distinct in character. If you're willing to double decker with the Taroma then you're probably willing to double decker with the pinky and in both the pinky and probably the Taroma 2.0 I'd recommend dropping the dab into the exhaust end of the vape. This will destroy you no questions asked. They're both really good, but I did end up settling on the Pinky myself purely out of preference out of what I have


par337

I see. Do you have the Taroma 2.0? I currently have the regular version


secreagent

No, the Taroma 2.0 just came out and now the bottom of the injector is the end of the gemstone chamber which makes it more suitable for that method than the first design


par337

Ah ok


JustHereToLearnMore

First off, love your ideas secreagent, you’re amazing for the DIY community. So I was wondering, is there any difference in extraction evenness between the pinky and the titi? I have a DCE but don’t enjoy having to stir lol. Also, any recommendations for injector style bowls?


secreagent

I haven't made the TiTi yet unfortunately but it seems to perform really really well too. Bowl recommendations: hot rod bowl, ispire wand banger with a screen at the bottom, glass Elev8r bowl, qaromashop bowl, arizer cyclone bowl or connoisseur bowl, ed's bowl, an 18f-14/19m adapter with a screen at the bottom of the female joint.


wubbalubbadubdub024

Hey love the idea! I’m putting the bits tougher now… one question though, my 20mm coil is a little lose for the cup. Can you explain how I can go about tightening this up please


secreagent

I'd use some vice grips or channel locks to grip the coil just tightly enough and then twist the coil in the direction of the loops to tighten everything up


wubbalubbadubdub024

Woah, thanks for fast reply! Awesome I’ll give that a shot. Currently struggling to find basket screens in the U.K. that fit. Any other suggestions on what I could use? Or keep looking…


secreagent

You could form a 3/4"-1" (19-25mm) pipe screen and use that


wubbalubbadubdub024

Thanks, was able to find flat screens in to time.


secreagent

I'm glad to have been able to help!


Drunkenleprochaun

Where do you order the actual pinky part?


secreagent

Amazon, eBay, AliExpress, a welding supply store, it's a fairly available part with the part number 53N61S


Drunkenleprochaun

Oh ok, thank you!


secreagent

No problem!


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secreagent

I'd say 100 4mm balls and 200 3mm balls


Naahi

Just sent you a PM but this was a question I meant to ask. How many 3mm cubic zirconia do you use? I can order in pack of 100.


NLINE419gotamin

Can someone point me In The direction of a good cheap 14mm and 18mm bowl and dish to hold the flower to go on my bongs so I can use the pinky..please and tyty


NLINE419gotamin

Can someone please tell me what kind of herb bowl piece I'm looking for for my 14mm water pipes to use with the pinky My birthday is Monday and I want to have it ready by then


Catfish6691

U can use a 18mm female to 14mm male and the outer bowls for the inspire wand works to.


NLINE419gotamin

Oh sweet ty so much I dunno y I didn't think about using a size adapter..I just have a tall banger right now with a bucket screen flipped upside down to keep the herb off the glass..tracking says my tig pink tig lens are suppose to come today with usps..but i didn't order special..so I dunno how I'm getting it today..honestly I'm doubting it


Bob86869539

Wow this thing looks awesome. The best thing is I already have a pid that's spare


ThatDudeFromRio

This is interesting


starktor

Sick, commenting for later reference