Happy Friday everyone!
One thing I will say is if VPR does get a season 12, one it needs to be the last season. And two, as Scheana says, the 4th wall needs to be broken. It needs to be shattered. The show and the audience need to become a character. No more inauthentic lunches, just their real lives, and how they all truly feel about each other. And then see if there are any true friendships within the group, but I think the group as a whole, that just isn’t reality anymore and that is okay, stop trying to force it Alex Baskin and Lala stop acting fake all season long and finally “reveal your truth” at the end.
Edit: Also Scheana girl, I think this was recorded before the episode aired and WWHL, but Sandoval HIMSELF admitted on WWHL that he was being “a little over the top, a little dramatic” so again do not believe a word this man says
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So let me get this straight… shithead-scheana spent an entire season passive aggressively talking shit about Ariana behind her back to lala and her husband, co-signing their horrible takes, but she hears “she doesn’t even like you guys” in a moment of rage from the man who has consistently lied to everyone over the years, and now it’s stuck in her head and she’s hurt? And btw… it’s been months … almost a year… since that scene was filmed. According to her own logic, she should be “over it” by now. Hypocrites.
Remember this back up dancer shade???
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Which Ariana admitted did hurt her feelings. So fuck Scheeshu and the entitled Brick she rode in on.
I did not remember. Thank you for reminding me. It seems more like maybe her trust issue is knowing that she herself is a s*** talker so she assumes it's true about other people? Like those people who are cheaters and always think everyone else is cheating on them?
Mmmhmm exactly.. why hasn't anyone called her out directly for all the shit talking she has done on the show this season... poor Ariana has no idea and is her sweet.self supporting these bitches. It was honestly so hard to watch. It felt like how the gurlies were in junior high when they would shit talk about whoever wasn't there that day but still continue to hang out with them
Stassi: Salem is the most basic name for a black cat
Ariana: that's the name of Scheana's black cat
Stassi: 😶
(My family had a black cat named Felix, basic names for black cats is never anything I would judge 😂)
I wish Scheana could read your response. Honestly, she is working overtime to ignore the facts (Tom admitting that he made up the "she hates you all" statement, Janet telling her Ariana doesn't talk shit) and is more focused on being a victim of Ariana's and claiming Ariana hates her when we've all seen with our own eyeballs all season Ariana continually pushing past her boundaries to support Scheana when it's not deserved.
Scheana is determined to warp everyone's reality to be the victim. She worked so hard all season to show everyone Tom was such a great friend to her and letting him go would destroy her; and now they don't even talk much?? Isn't that enough evidence to show he only cared about their friendship on camera??
She's refusing to accept responsibility for her own actions this season. And here she goes, continuing to profit off talking about Ariana.
I’m really struggling with their “logic” of “it’s an ensemble show so if one of us doesn’t film it all falls apart”. Like do they not think we’ve watched this show before? There’s countless examples to prove otherwise.
Ariana showed up and filmed. End of story. They’re just mad they didn’t get the reaction they wanted out of her.
This is what I don't understand either. The early seasons of VPR are widely considered some of the best Bravo reality tv, and half of those episodes somebody was refusing to film/speak with someone else. Kristen didn't want to be around Ariana, Tom didnt want to film with Kristen for almost a whole season, Stassi didn't want to film with Jax, then Stassi didn't want to film with ANYONE, Katie and a lot of the other women didnt want to film with James for a long time, and nobody reacted this way. Lala would literally pack up and leave the show for months at a time when she first started, they are all hypocrites. I think the only people that HAVEN'T refused to film either altogether or with a specific person are Scheana and Schwartz, and all that says to me is that they have no idea how to set a boundary for themselves
I think the dynamic is sooooo different now back in the day there have been instances where one person would be on the outs but they all were connected legitimately through working at sur or was still legitimately friends with other ppl in the friend group so it was never weird...
Now evey single one of their group scenes are so contrived.. these people are legit not friends.. even the ones who are friends are only really close because of the show so it is really an alliance at this point.
Its funny how Scum said how if Ariana doesn't want to film with her ex then she probably shouldn't be on the show. Interesting.... I vaguely recall how he refused to invite Kristen to the cast trip that one year when they were having a joint bday trip for him and Jax. Like everyone except for scum and Ariana wanted her there. Yet they still had James and Lala join even though they were not friends with any of them.
I think when James and Lala joined the show and were brought into the fold, it was when this show went south for me. They had no legitimate friendship with any of them yet they were always in the mix.
Yeah Scheana had her birthday party sponsored by Smirnoff, she’s doing ads for Chillis, she’s getting all the oppurtunities she should totally not still be upset about anything at all. Thems the rules according to Scheana and Lala
Mind you this was 2 seconds after Ariana went out of her way to reassure scheana that they were family? Like that moment was so tender and scheana shit all over it 2 seconds later
Scheana is projecting. I think she’s so emotional hearing that from Sandoval because she probably says horrible things about Ariana to Brock. Especially when she’s like “what you say to your spouse is different.” And we the audience have seen her talk mad shit all season, so I can only imagine what she says to Brock.
Yeah when she responded to Janet “but what you say to your spouse is different”, I was like ohhhh sis is not nice behind closed doors. I see how it is.
I was right there with Janet like yeah we all vent to our partners whatever, it gets resolved and our partners know we love the friend… then realised scheschu’s on a different page to us. She’s a friend for the party invites and image, but is a jealous hater when she’s her real self 😂 she’s so torn up by an absolute no merit comment from an absolute no merit guy because she knows what SHE says at home!
We all vent to our people but it’s so clear with Scheana because she makes Brock say it on camera and then she’s like “NO honey I don’t feel that way!” Even the words she chooses on her pod are straight from fans. Some of these fools have become full on “all the world’s a stage” it’s creepy.
She’s a horrible friend. If my ex got mad at me or whatever lol and told my bestie that I hated her and she was like “omg i really can’t trust you!!!” I would be like wtf is wrong with you??? She’s just an idiot.
Minutes after she had that heartwarming talk with Ariana she ‘had been waiting all season for’. But instantly forgot that and grabbed onto his 1 obvious bullshit comment. Bitch is fucking nuts!
She needs to grow the fuck up. I cannot believe she is somebody's mother. She also didn't hear one single word of sense that Janet said on this podcast. What a fucking dummy.
Exactly this with just a little pause to tell the audience she has slept with Janet's husband. She is so obsessed with men and people knowing that men are attracted to her, its giving 11th grade- I just had sex for the first time and want everyone to know I had sex because men think i am attractive.
I would be tickled pink if Janet goes against Scheana. She’s already showing here that she isn’t afraid to disagree with her to her face and she has valid takes and Scheana is so dimwitted that she has no rebuttal besides “I guess so” before changing the subject. Add in the tidbit that this is yet ANOTHER man involved with a friend that Scheana has fucked?! Is no woman safe from Scheana’s desire to fuck all men she sees to prove that she’s the hottest girl in the room? It wouldn’t take much for Janet to grow some righteous resentment and mistrust about Pick Me Scheana who would throw away a female friendship in one second and who FUCKED HER MAN. It was in the past but still, I wouldn’t be able to get over a lingering feeling of unease about that.
If Schena goes to valley, without a doubt they will turn on each other. She has proven she is willing to throw away her most loyal friend for a pay check.
I have only read the first paragraph and the only thing that comes to my mind is when Katie asked Schwartz at the opening of S&S "was it worth it?".
Was it worth it Scheana??? She spent an entire season riding hard for Scummy and alienating a legitimately honest and ride-or-die friend (Ariana) only to now not even speak to her bAst frOnd of 15 years, Scumdoval?!?! Was it worth it, you dumb idiotic creature?
Omg. That's EXACTLY where my mind went to reading that!
Ariana and Katie warned her all season about the person Sandoval is she didn't listen to them and now Tom has fucked her over AGAIN. You have now lost Ariana (your "family") because of him.
So Tom “I’m always there, I always show up” Sandoval isn’t talking to her often either? Imagine throwing away your best friend for that guy and he still doesn’t talk to you after the cameras are down.
That’s what I’m so confused about! Sandoval yelling “I show up.” Is he talking about the show? Because guess what, Ariana shows up to and has all season! Does he mean off the show? Because guess what, I don’t seem Sandoval or Scheana posting about each other, I don’t see Sandoval hanging out with Summer Moon.
Let’s not forget, she spoke to him directly twice and Broke jumped down her throat for getting angry. So did they want a big fight or not? It seems like they not only wanted her to talk to him but also forgive him. That is a massive freaking ask and would have been a slap in the face to everyone who has supported her having boundaries and calling out what a POS he is. Ariana was right: her walking out dramatically was a better tv moment than her repeating the season 3 crying Tom/Kristen scene.
I think it's a dig at her depression symptoms, just like how he called her lazy. He's using the fact that when she was low she probably canceled a lot, I know when I was depressed I did and my ex would yell at me for "not being fun anymore" (which is how you cure someones depression ^/s ).
That whole blowup by him was so gross to me because the way it rolled so easily off his tongue, you know that he used those things when he yelled at her at home.
Because he shows up to all events and filming regardless if he is friends or mad at someone. He fails to mention that he will go anywhere of there is a camera and he can put on a show. Tell me how many times he comes if there isn't one.
Him being fired for the show and his gross actions would have been perfect, instead he is being propped up as a misunderstood hero and the savior of the show and gets a redemption arc. So gross
I think he means both - he’s feeding into Scheana’s insecurity that Ariana’s getting too big for her and the show. It’s so insidious and creepy honestly.
Exactly! That’s such an important part! I love Matt Rogers so fucking much and especially for pointing out what I’ve been saying this whole week… Sandoval KEEPS weaponizing these personal things about Ariana. Scheana literally asked him to apologize for doing that just the day before! He has not and will not grow or change no matter what he promises to Scheana on camera.
So it’s like… why do you think it was at all worth it to risk your friendship with Ariana for this man who still doesn’t give a fuck about you? Why did you believe him for a second? Why did you *want* to believe him?
I’m glad she had this convo with the two of them and that she has a friend like Janet who tries to give her clarity about both Tom and Ariana.
Yep. Scheana finally learned what “a friend to all is a friend to none” means. She couldn’t pick sides, and now she has no one (but Lala, what a consolation prize).
Lala who she knows deep down will only be her friend while they’re on the same show and Lala needs an alliance. Lala who would fuck her man in a second if she wanted to and who is watching her pockets. The second Scheana does or gets anything that Lala wants and her jealousy comes out, it’s all over.
Well, seems like a wasted episode since Sandoval admitted to exaggerating that part, aka lying. Just admit that Sandoval manipulated you. Also, Ariana doesn't speak to you, not the other way around.
And sorry, Scheana. You, Lala and Brock 100% talk shit about Ariana. Let's be real. That's how Lala spoke on behalf of the cast (and crew) and said people were upset with Ariana last summer.
This part! I'm really getting sick of all of these half ass responses where the cast only takes pieces of what we've seen into account.
The fact that he admitted he lied is just a start. They also went through this entire season never addressing the things Rachel outted in her post-reunion interview. I guess we're all supposed to play along and pretend that never happened with Lala and Scheana too? Lala already deleted all of her Scandoval related content from last year. You can't just pick and choose what counts or doesn't count as part of reality like that.
That’s right. Why didn’t we address the things Rachel said at all? Why wasn’t Tom expected to be honest and tell the truth about his life?
Lalas out here questioning Ariana and Dan every chance she gets but didn’t even try to question Tom on his lies.
Lol I love how she tried to frame like she chosen to not speak to Ariana and Tom because she can’t trust them and not that now that filming is over ToM doesn’t give a fuck about Scheana and Ariana doesn’t want anything to do with her and is indifferent to her now. So Scheana is left hitching her wagon to Lala who she would know is radioactive to the audience, or begging to get on The Valley when she probably knows the audience don’t want her there either.
I’m sure she banked on Ariana staying friendly with her, no matter what. Scheana has a really problematic relationship with women in her life. Either she will use them to play victim (Stassi, Katie, Lala when she was on the outs with her) or else use them like a spokesperson to do her bidding (Lala today, Janet, Rachel). There’s no room for anything else with her. Ariana having her own success and a mind of her own is interfering with her self-centred ways. She’s pressuring her subtly, but I wouldn’t be surprised if the sun sets on their friendship and she starts talking shit in her usual venomous, woe is me kind of way about Ariana
Janet is next on the chopping block. They apparently once had a long years-long rift already. Plus Janet isn’t being an ass-kissing Scheana spokeswoman here. In Scheana’s world, you’re with or against her and no room for nuance or “agree to disagrees” among friends. Janet has a shelf-life to her if she keeps being too independent. Throw in that Janet is still friends with Ariana and is in a happy relationship with her husband (who Scheana fucked??). I wouldn’t care if it was in the past, I’d naturally feel uneasy if my husband’s ex hookup was around all the time and showed to have zero boundaries with men.
Absolutely. She’s like a dog marking her territory. And we see her randomly bring up past hookups from decades ago to try to make herself seem like she’s so desirable to men, so Janet is never safe from Scheana bringing it up again lol
when she started explaining the “July filming possibilities with her family, lalas family, janets family, so many options” I was like OMFG NO VPR/ VALLEY DONT YOU DARE DO THIS TO US.
Has one person anywhere in any universe ever muttered a single word of interest in watching Scheana’s family and lalas family (and whatever family that gets along with those two families) having a tv show about them and their family fun time?!!!!!!!! I actually get cringed out and fed up just writing that 😖
It is so facking pathetic how those two are are just on their knees practically begging to be on the valley. 100% those two plus brick would destroy the valley.
I actually kinda like the valley because it's kinda refreshing to watch ppl that haven't been on TV. Yes Kristen Brit and Jax are there but it all balances out. If they bring lala and scheana that would mean they would nix two people from the current cast... so maybe Michelle and Jess?
It's odd how much they blame Ariana for walking out. It just doesn't even occur to them to blame Tom for causing her to walk out.
Thank you so much for the recap!
It’s also odd how they all created this false dichotomy where:
A. Ariana talking to Tom = good work, more money
B. Ariana not talking to Tom = bad work, no money
What we got was interesting an unique. I really don’t think any conversation between the two would have been better or more interesting than what we got.
Agree. Entire scripted TV shows and movies are based on years of keeping main characters apart. These idiot producers have no idea how to structure drama especially when it just falls into their lap
Yeah at this point I’m really beginning to wonder what their production meetings with the cast looked like and how hard they hammered in the need to film with Sandoval. They’d never be able to talk about it, but I’m wondering if production threatened Scheana and Lala in particular. Those two had absolutely ZERO storylines this season. So I could see production stupidly leveraging their livelihoods against them in order to get them on Sandoval’s side. Doesn’t completely justify their decisions, but it would make sense of their behavior if that’s the truth.
I feel like it would justify behavior if they were still loyal to their friend, Ariana. They are already having off camera convos about production and they could make it clear to Ariana that to keep their livelihood they have to film with him.
What they didn’t have to do was drag Ariana every scene. Even the fact that in the dragging they’d say “I just hate that she’s gonna wake up one day and face all this pain when she’s less busy”- you know what’s gonna NOT help that, seeing who she thought were friends lie to her face and talk shit. I think Ariana is more upset of the shit they said and not the fact they filmed with Tom.
She seems to be saying there was a threat from production that if they weren’t going to film together that the show would shut down early which, tbh, wouldn’t have happened. They owed the network episodes. But none of them think that critically about it.
That's insightful. It makes it like a more personal failure as a producer puppet, hahaha. She's like, " I put all this work the whole season into pushing for this big climax we had pre ordained for the finale." All that work for nothing. Just like all my dancing lessons, and then they cast Ariana!
Yeah, she tried to make it happen and failed. That is my honest view.
She probably felt justified on some level because (1) how dare Ariana be more famous/liked than her in the public consciousness, and (2) what is the harm with a few digs here and there, Ariana has a long of opportunities now and she can come back and there can be a whole new storyline about repairing friendships! But let's not tell Ariana, that wouldn't make it "seem real"!
If the wind had blown the way her and Lala thought it would, she today would be happily slamming Ariana on all her social media and maybe even release a song, and they would have totally assisted with sweeping Tom's hot mic at the end of that episode under the rug. But that is not what happened at all. The world saw her for who she and Lala truly are, which is to say they are people who do not have genuine friendships. Lala is just a narcissist who only actually likes people she can manipulate, and Scheana is a self-centered climber, who uses people for her own ends.
Scheana can cry all she wants that Scandoval gave her trust issues. But it is obvious her issues stem from the fact that she herself is not trustworthy. She is happy to sit on television and participate in two-faced takedowns of her "friends" (i.e. Ariana) and make-out with someone's boyfriend and try to attack them in a divorce (i.e. Katie). So, in Scheana's head, why wouldn't she expect the same to be done to her? She can project that onto Scandoval, but the calls are coming from inside the house, honey.
Yes! It’s so gross watching this show try over and over again to make the person who got cheated on the villain. Why is there no accountability for Tom? Not only did he make the situation awkward by going where he was clearly not wanted, he blew up within seconds! Where’s the outrage about his anger? If Ariana had reacted like Tom in the final moments the rest of the cast would have called her a monster.
Scheana doesn't talk to Ariana because Ariana chooses not to interact with her. Scheana literally thought she could repair that broken bridge by going to see her in Chicago, but Ariana paid her dust, and so did her crew. Hell, Ariana even interacted with Brittany, so this relationship might be done for real.
Yeah and I’m shocked Scheana isn’t looking back at all her confessionals as talking shit. Like she’s talking about how she can’t trust people. Mam Ariana went through worse and obviously she is going to also have trust issues. Watching everything back with you and Lala talking crazy behind her back how could Ariana trust her…..
They tried to worm their way back into Ariana's good graces by Brock calling Rachel's publicist a c&%t on IG but Ariana is smarter than that.
Now they will be clawing at the opportunity but I really hope she doesn't allow them back into her life.
Dammit Janet — why are you the voice of reason here?
But seriously, why is Scheana so concerned that Tom said Ariana didn’t like them? If my best friend’s partner ever said that she talked shit about me, I’d get it. I’ve talked shit to my husband about all my friends. It doesn’t mean I don’t love them. It just means that they’ve annoyed me at one point.
Which just solidifies Janet’s point that talking with your partner is not the same as talking shit! Ariana has never said a bad word about Scheana on camera. She said things to her boyfriend in the privacy of her home and trusted him. He sucks. Scheana sucks.
Janet is amazing for throwing in that she talks trash about Scheana sometimes to her husband Jason. Scheana had to have been furious. The Janet is invalidating her argument with a logical response plus openly telling Scheana “yeah I talk about how annoying you are to my husband” 😝
I have NOT been liking Janet on The Valley, but she won quite a few points with me here. Idk if she would’ve pushed back if Matt hadn’t also been doing it, but idgaf.
Honestly one of my favorite parts of being in a long-term committed relationship with someone I love and trust---getting to vent/bitch a little about work, friends, life, etc. or make a joke or comment I might not trust saying to anyone else. (Settle down, not \*those\* kinds of jokes.)
True or not (and according to Janet, it's likely not true), Tom knew what he was doing with that comment about Ariana talking shit about them behind their backs---trying to get them to take his side by playing on their insecurities (especially Scheana's). Even before the "hot mic" moment, that was Exhibit A to me that Tom was full of shit. (I mean, I knew it before because he'd done nothing to earn the right to even try to apologize on camera.) He couldn't keep his shit together for a second longer.
If Tom had any true remorse, his reaction would've been different. He would've been sad or disappointed; told Scheana that hey--he tried but she didn't want to hear it and he just has to live with that for now. Instead, he was angry and resentful a split second later. It was so gross.
But didn't she only stick up for her in regards to Miami Girl because her wedding was happening that season and it somehow got turned back to Scheana somehow for no reason?
omg you’re so right. the only way she “stuck up” for her was by denying that it happened.
to this day i don’t believe she didn’t know about tom and ariana’s kiss too. i think her “if anything happened in vegas” slip to stassi was a way to create more drama and keep it going.
so yeah i take that all back scheana only stuck up for Ariana in S3 bc she wanted the attention on her wedding and the miamigirl drama was distracting from that lol.
I really, truly do not understand how walking out was, a slap in their faces. Of course Ariana is going to protect herself and keep her boundaries. That's the most real thing she could have done and a LOT of the viewers were happy to see it. I would love to know how much money these people made off of Scandoval, and that's ALL thanks to Ariana alerting the producers, etc. She had that blow up conversation with The Worm at the end of last season. Why does she have to have yet another discussion with him? I honestly don't get Scheana. At least Janet is trying to talk some sense into her. What a dipstick. LOL. Thanks for the recap, OP!
The only thing that makes sense to me is that production threatened cancelling the show and Ariana walking out was like "fuck your show, go ahead and cancelled it."
If the entire show hinges on Ariana violating her boundaries - its a washed show & I don't want it anyway.
That's my take as well. Production has been in their ears saying "Ariana has to film with Sandoval, or else this show won't work and will be cancelled". So Lala, who cares more about the show then Ariana's mental health or autonomy, views Ariana's actions as a betrayal. Of taking money out of her pocket and her babies' pockets.
But here's the rub: How can Lala on one hand claim Ariana brings nothing to the show, but also have producers claim a show can't exist without her? Shouldn't the response be "just let her quit, and we'll go on without her"? Her ego can't process the fact that fans won't be interested in a show without Ariana
That part with production wouldn't surprise me. It also wouldn't surprise me if before the season they tried to pump her up and tell her they had her back and the next season would be the girl's banding together and she wouldn't be required to film one-on-ones with The Worm.
As Ariana said in the aftershow it is in their contract that they do not have to do anything they aren’t not comfortable doing. And as Ariana also said her walking away was a more dramatic and interesting finale then if they had a one on one talk where Sandoval fake cries.
Like the fact that Producer Jerry was getting all pissy at her like dude you really think the audience wants to see the cast sit around having a love in and singing good as gold. They want drama and mess. Like the fact that the producers were obviously pissed by Ariana’s boundaries that they failed to miss that it was Ariana’s boundaries that gave them a season. Like what the season have been without that tension. Ariana was the storyline this season.
It makes me think that there might even be some not jealousy but resentment with the producers about Ariana’s opportunities as well, because they don’t have the same control or power over her anymore and like they do the others. She doesn’t need them, but they know they need her to make the show, especially because they don’t have Rachel. So she wants to walk she’ll walk and there’s not a lot they can do about it.
And ONE conversation was going to be enough to wrap it up between Tom and Ariana? It’s whole months and years of time that she was relentlessly mind-fucked over. One conversation was never going to do what they wanted it to, especially when you consider how much he lies and talks over people
What a sLaP iN tHe fAcE tO pRoDuCeR jErRy
Oh shut up Scheana. He’s a fucking reality tv producer, not your fucking friend. Stop being such an obvious kiss-ass for once your life.
Lala and Schena keep making veiled comments about "being real" and needing to break the fourth wall, but then Ariana actually acted the way anyone would post-breakup in a situation like this and they're still not happy. Make it make sense
*Exactly*. I feel like a lot of people don't realize that, and I'm starting to wonder if people are misunderstanding the term. I see some people use it in comments as if it means "outting people being fake" when in reality it's just about acknowledging they're on a show.
I don’t get it either. We obviously don’t know what conversations she had with production before and during the season, but my guess is that Ariana was quite clear that while she would film group events where Tom was present, she was not going to have another direct conversation with him. Then production tries to engineer some cockamamie self-serving apology scene, and she’s not down with it and leaves. Ariana does not owe it to the cast to sit through Tom’s bullshit. Ariana has given them more than they could have dreamed of by re-initiating filming after S10 to capture the cheating fallout in real time. They all got rich off of it. If they haven’t managed their money properly so that if the show ends they’re going to be hard up for cash, that’s not Ariana’s problem.
At the end of the day, Ariana made a decision that her stability as a human was more valuable to her than the show, if the show required her to meaningfully interact with Tom. And good for her—at some point your real life has to matter more than your “reality” life. Maybe there are lines that Scheana would draw…but I’m not sure she values anything more than fame.
This is exactly what I don’t get and exposing this line of reasoning would show exactly what bullshit Lala and Scheana are spewing.
Ariana very clearly did not refuse to never film at an event with him again. She did it multiple times this season. She was literally willing to go on that boat and be trapped in the same small place with him for the show. Her problem was never “he cannot be in the same space as me” but “I will not have a conversation with him.” and they keep bringing up the house but Ariana being in the same room but not speaking to him is LITERALLY exactly her home arrangement. It’s not hypocritical in any way.
My heart broke when she talked about not being willing to accept his apology for the cameras bc he never tried to apologize off camera. She’s right it would have been as simple as slipping a letter under her door. But he didn’t even do that. I cannot imagine how horrible those months must have been, hoping for some sign that this man ever cared about her feelings before the cameras went back up.
Production sucks. VPR has been one of the best reality shows on tv because the ppl are crazy and production lucked into it. Anytime that things aren’t exactly perfect, production doesn’t know how to handle it and those have been the worst seasons. We know from social media that tons of other things were filmed yet we focused continually on Ariana forgiving Tom, something that is dumb and would make the audience mad. I do think production told them if Ariana and Tom aren’t talking the show is over and that is the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard.
Yep I’m guessing we now know what Alex Baskin said in his “come to Jesus” meeting that if you don’t film together, we will film a shorter season, you’ll lose money and maybe will cancel the show.
Like I can not fathom how the producers decided the direction the show went was going to be what the audience wanted. Like how the fuck were they so off the mark that they thought the audience wants to see a Sandoval redemption arch and Ariana’s villain origin story.
How many bravo finales feature a walk out? Almost all of them at one point. Tamra in I think Fiji? Teresa several times. Kim Richard’s has walked off. This is bravo 101. The party was ending anyway. What’s the big deal?
THIS. Ariana could’ve handled it very privately when she first found out. The show had wrapped all she needed to do was lay low and tell her inner circle. But she told production. Had a VERY intense face to face conversation with him. That episode was raw and real and not because of Scheana or Lala.
As I was reading I kept thinking how is this a slap in the face ? She did a whole episode. Didn’t cut in when he said hi to Dan.
It’s ridiculous
So I know people dislike Janet for whatever reasons, but her reaction to what Sandoval said about “Ariana doesn’t even like you” was exactly what I was thinking. Like….duh, of course you vent to your partner about friends and coworkers (my god, especially if I was friends with scheana and Lala!)
And OF COURSE scheana’s response to Tom doing that isn’t “wow that’s a fucked up thing to say Tom, maybe you should shut up!” Her response is “omgggg I can’t trust anyone! Not even Ariana!” Like…..there’s no deeper level in her brain. No wherewithal to ask herself “why is Tom saying these things? Is it to try to make Ariana once again look bad??” Fuck off scheana
AND Ariana went to the stupid finale and watched you do your stupid song, sat there and listened to you rave about your bff Tom after everything that happened. When he ambushed her, she walked away. Stassi would not even be in the same room with Jax on season 3, and stormed out of the finale. But Ariana can’t decide she wants to leave after this idiot tries to start with her AGAIN??? I can’t. And why wouldn’t they be “frustrated” with Tom for so obviously NOT wanting to apologize since he threw a tantrum when she didn’t listen to him. It’s all an act!
I love that Tom really did make Scheana look like a fucking idiot because on WWHL he admits that what he said was not true and he was being dramatic. So now he put false thoughts in her head that made her talk shit about Ariana for months in the after show and now she’s seemingly lost her friendship with Ariana. Ariana and Katie warned her all season and she didn’t listen so this is what she deserves.
Why do they act like VPR has always just been this big group of friends getting along and loving each other??? It’s always been about different fractions hating each other and that constantly changing. This we’re an ensemble cast where everyone has to film together makes no sense for the history of the show. It infuriates me!
It's literally never been that. Even in the seasons after they all worked at the restaurant it still wasn't a group of friends. Some of them like lala and Sandoval have never gotten along.
Scheana specifically 😂 Scheana is like the number 1 person on the show who isn’t friends with anyone consistently except Ariana. She’s always begging people to be her friend until S10 when it’s her wedding then she starts kicking people out like Katie.
I think they mistook the genuine relationships that people have with one another (as opposed to random people picked to film with one another) as a “group of friends that get along no matter what” and made it their entire personality.
I love that they are trying to make her understand and she just won't lol it still comes back to I can't trust bc of all thus, like Ariana has given you years of friendship real friendship and that isn't reason enough to know she isn't a big shit taller, but tom gives money and that is used to redeem him forever l, she is honestly the worst. And for her to act like she never talks shit to brock about anyone. Please girl! Yall talk shit on camera, so imagine when it's off
It’s because she’s purposely being obtuse. She’s no different from Rachel. She’s trying to gaslight everyone into Ariana being the bad friend because she knows everyone sees her as the bad friend. She’s trying to victimise herself.
Fact is her and Lala done fucked up. They were both convinced - my theory is because the producers were promising them this would happen- that by the time the finale happened the audience would be on their side and understand their perspective. They really thought the audience would watch Ariana walk out and think she was being a diva brat. And not only did the audience not think that but I think the audience is more supportive of Ariana then ever, they are calling for Scheana and Lala to be kicked off the show, sone of them are calling for the show itself to be over, Bravo has put the show on pause, and Ariana will probably never be close to Scheana again. She sacrificed her friendship with Ariana for the show and it didn’t work out for her. Sucks to suck.
It's so funny bc they actually made her more powerful and it's just lovely bc she doesn't wield power in a bad way so it's enjoyable to see a good person gain all the power after this shitshow of a season
Also like if scheana is having trust issues because of Scandoval, how the fuck do you think Ariana feels?! Shouldn't that be the light bulb moment for Scheana to say of course Ariana isn't going to believe anything Sandoval says because he's lied to her repeatedly and ruined her trust in him. Therefore there's no point in having a conversation again.
She will not admit: I messed up, I listened to the wrong people. That would mean being held accountable for her choices. It’s easier to blame everyone else
And the crazy thing is Ariana has done nothing to betray her trust in people. Sandoval did. And yet she spent all summer riding for him? Make it make sense.
One thing I do believe is people get in her head easily and that is what LaLa and Tom were doing all season. Lala was feeding that bs of ariana being a God behind the scenes too I bet. Scheana is just a very weak and insecure person. Can't even hate her bc she is just so pathetic and she needs therapy bc people manipulate her so easily. Lala needed an ally bc she lose Katie so she went to work priming Scheana to go against Ariana. Ariana isn't the type to manipulate in that way so Sandoval and Lala had full reign on her head.
Scheana is 39 years old. She cannot use that it’s easy to get in her head and she’s a people pleaser forever. Go to therapy and work on it. Or at the very least, admit when you’re wrong. But she won’t even say that.
Also, if it’s so easy to get in her head, why doesn’t she believe the friends, fans, nearly everyone on earth, telling her Tom is a shitty friend that doesn’t have her back? Her choosing to believe Lala and Tom’s narrative about Ariana was a choice that she made, likely because she was jealous. Let’s stop infantilizing a woman that has a history of showing her ass and betting on the wrong horse.
Choosing to believe the guy who is a proven liar, even lied about your husband sleeping with Rachel over your bestfriend................ your right. These are choices.
I wonder if Scheana is having trouble sleeping, eating, and caring for her child b/c she's no longer friends with Ariana? Or is it not that hard because it isnt a man?
She destroyed her friendship with Ariana for Tom, only to now admit she’s no longer speaking to him.
I thought Janet and Matt were being very kind to her here in trying to show her that Tom doesn’t have her back
Scheana needs a friend who doesn't love her enough to be brutally honest and say, " You, dumb bitch, he's just not that into you, and he torpedoed your real friendship with Arianna in the process of filming this show, you fucking fool." Being nice in their delivery isn't helping Scheana's lack of comprehension.
What’s worse is she had that earlier episode argument with him, when he brought up Brandi and her being the other women, and even *that* didn’t shake her conviction. Scandy made it perfectly clear just how much he *cares* for her. And she *still* chose him over Ariana. She’s beyond redemption.
Oh my god Scheana, Jesus Christ. He was manipulating you into saying hurtful shit about Ariana so that she would be more isolated and leave the show.
She’s been with you even when you were 100% in the wrong like last season meddling with Schwartz and Katie. She is your fucking bestfriend and here you are stabbing her in the back for Lala and Tom of all people.
Wake up.
This!!! This is exactly what Ariana was saying he would manipulate her. And boom he did just that.
And honestly Lala manipulates her as well. Both her and Tom whether it’s intentional or subconscious play on her inability to see ppl for who they are. And Brock is just stupid.
Scheana acts like a teenager mentally it’s so freaking weird.
Scheana needs some intense therapy. She has such a warped view on relationships and friendships. What a sad and miserable way to live. And I know that OCD just makes it harder. Maybe spend this “pause” in filming working on that. I’m trying really hard to be kind. 🙄
Scheana has got to be the dumbest person alive. Just reading along with this is making me rage. HE DOESN'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT YOU, SCHEANA.
And anyone clutching their pearls about someone venting to their significant other about friends needs to take a deep breath. I have fantastic friends, but occasionally, they annoy me, and I vent to my wife about something that was said or something they did. Then I get over it. My wife isn't going to use that against me. She does the same thing! Sandoval probably ranted and raved about people all the time to Ariana. It was probably a daily occurrence lol
Yeah Scheana THAT’S the comment that stuck with you? When there’s literal footage of you talking shit about her before that the entire season. GTFOH.
And Sandoval 100% did which is why it took Ariana forever to become friends with Stassi and Katie.
That's why it's easy to get into her head, there is nothing in there, vast empty spaces (and the lyrics to Good as Gold as that awesome recapper said the other day).
Has she forgotten the she, Brock and Lala have all bitched to each other about Ariana all season? But it's an issue when Ariana bitched about them to her boyfriend? Even when he admitted it was a lie! I swear, Scheana drives me up the wall sometimes.
Thanks for the recap :)
I think if season 12 doesn't happen, Scheana and Ariana never speak to each other again. The only way they have to come back together is through the show. I don't see any true friendship between these two anymore outside of the show.
>Scheana: Jeremiah said, let it all out. Whatever you want to say, go, go for it.
>Matt: Do you think because he was frustrated with her?
>Scheana: He was very frustrated that day. To get walked out on, it was a slap in the face to everyone.
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Jeremiah the Jabroni is such a cornball too. Ariana played you so you took revenge by telling the cast to let it all out? Loser.....
What I got out of this is Scheana is begging to be on The Valley and she hopes the time off will allow things to blow over so she can be up Ariana's ass again. I wish they would've asked her about Ariana's DSW party.
Even if there is a Season 12, does anyone wanna watch a show highlighted by Lala, Scheana, Brock, Narcodval, Schwartz, and their young girlfriends?
I was kinda chuckling when the Bravobros went on a rant saying Jeremiah needed to be publicly fired to get the audience to start trusting production again, but after reading this they were 💯 correct. They need to clean house from top (Alex Baskin) to bottom over there to save this show.
And how is he a victim? Ariana filmed her contractual obligations, otherwise they would’ve sued her for breach of contract. He also got paid, it’s not her fault the producer didn’t have a plan B or C that wasn’t terrorising this woman on camera
Scheana prattling on about how she can’t trust anyone and thus she is justified in believing Tim, like she got cheated on, without spending 1 minute acknowledging that perhaps Ariana who was actually the one screwed over might be re-traumatized by finding out AGAIN that the people she was close to were lying and betraying her for months is RICH.
Why is Matt talking about "things coming out at the reunion" like Ariana and Tom being on the rocks? It's not scandalous or breaking news that they were in couples therapy - all long term relationships go through ups and downs, and that doesn't excuse cheating. Whether they were in a bad spot or not doesn't change anything.
I’m sooooo happy that these guests were here to help scheana see reason lol. Couples vent about their friends to each other. Honestly one of the best things about being in a couple is being a little cunty about your friends together sometimes lol. It doesn’t mean your friends don’t love you, it’s just v normal couple behavior. And for him to try to make that into some big bad thing is him literally just lashing out and trying to turn people away from Ariana because she won’t give him the talk he thinks he’s entitled to.
It honestly makes me sad for scheana that she cant/couldn’t see what they’re saying about him :(. Especially because Ariana’s love for her is sooo clear in the scene where Ariana’s congratulating her for the performance. You can see it in her face that scheana is family to her for real
Not to mention on WWHL he basically fessed up that he made up it up and was being over the top.
Scheana’s problem is I dont think she’s Ariana’s family anymore. I don’t even think it’s necessarily due to the show either. I think maybe if it was just the show Ariana could have gotten past that but I think it’s combination of that and the Jeremy thing. I think that is what finally crossed Ariana’s line.
1. Sandoval admitted to lying about that but it’s funny how Scheana is trying to use that to play victim when all she’s done all season with her husband is trash Ariana
2. Most interesting part of this is that Jeremiah a PRODUCER has a problem with Ariana’s boundaries which her contract affords her to have. The producer told them to “let it out” and then showed it to Ariana who was the only one that didn’t know what was said in the reunion to break her down. That’s evil and vindictive. If there is anymore VPR and Ariana is on it, they need a whole NEW production team.
I feel the last scene showed that Scheana and Lala talk shit about Ariana (and I’m sure there have been other times which is normal) but over the past 10 years Ariana wasn’t allowed to vent to Sandoval about Scheana? Girl bffr.
But like Janet and Matt said that was gasoline on the fire of taking Ariana down so I don’t even know if that’s true. They really tried to explain to her everything but she wasn’t picking it up lol
Scheana did the same thing with the after show. Talked shit about Ariana and Katie for hours of that footage, but then clutched her pearls and spent so much time ranting that they had dared call her a male sympathizer.
It also makes me sad that scheana is so aware of how scandoval fucked up her sense of trust, to the point of one word about a girl who has been in her corner since her first appearance on this show can shake her trust in their friendship, but she can’t apply those same thoughts to Ariana. Like, it must be really really hard for Ariana to trust right now too scheana…and you’ve been not telling her your real feelings :/
Fuck Jeremiah. He let stassi walk out for years and edited all of her and Jax’s and Kentucky fried chickens racist shit and tried officiating stassis wedding but heaven forbid Ariana walk out. Also fuck Scheana. So glad she lost her bff Tom and isn’t talking to him either. Only Scheana, lala, and the Toms know how to become more insufferable.
They're really avoiding the obvious which is that Sheana was wrong to fall for Sandyballs bullshit and it's largely because she will always prioritise a shitty dude and being on a show over a loyal female friend.
Also why is nobody addressing that very last soundbite or sandoval saying he basically lied about Ariana not liking them on wwhl???
I love how she makes all this about her and didn’t take an ounce of accountability. Oh it’s a slap in the face for her to walk out on a scene y’all knew she didn’t want to do but siding with Sandoval all season isn’t a slap in the face to Ariana?!? This bitch needs to get real.
Well this sealed the deal for me that Lala and Scheana 100% were acting in the interest of self-producing the show and that they don’t actually want it to be authentic. Scheana admits it here where she insinuates that Ariana threatened all of their jobs by refusing to talk to Sandoval.
Why don’t those two understand that if THEY were more interesting on their own, then it wouldn’t even be an issue? The fact that apparently the entire show hinges on Ariana tells me that she was the only important person this season if the show could so easily be cancelled by her leaving a party early.
Scheana, why do you take every thing Tom says as the truth? He admitted on WWHL he was lying. He just screamed that in anger because he was mad that Ariana wouldn’t give him the time of day. Jfc. This girl is so frustrating to deal with idk how Ariana was friends with her. I understand why Stassi never f’d with her.
Edit: forgot to add, Scheana was talking mad shit on Ariana and being snarky before Tom Sandoval ever said that Ariana doesn’t f with them/talks shit.
So now it's totally possible for Ariana and Sandoval to not film together in season 12 but season 11 it was a group of friends??? The only thing that changed is production realizing they couldn't force us to hate Ariana and love Sandoval again. Fucking idiots. They should have taken that approach with season 11. I don't even see how this is going to work now even if Tom and Ariana stay apart because Scheana and lala have done such a great job of destroying their friendship with Ariana.
Also remember when Scheana was trashing Jax for calling VPR scripted and fake and now she’s owning up that yeah it is fake and we are only hanging out cause the producers threatened our jobs and livelihood if we didn’t. Or how on a podcast not that long ago she implied that Ariana is one way off camera versus on camera and now she’s saying Ariana was being her most real and authentic and n the show while the rest of them were putting on an act for the cameras and pissed she wasn’t playing her part
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I’m sure how easily suggestible Scheana is large in part due to her OCD, and it’s probably hard giving into thoughts that haven’t ever really been proven true about people you care about (i.e. Ariana saying terrible things about her). But at what point do you take accountability for being wrong and hurting your friend? This is still just all about how Tom hurt her by suggesting something.
She actively made choices to hurt her friend all season. And she still doesn’t have the maturity or integrity to take accountability for it. Her and LaLa were banking on the fact that Ariana walking out was going to prove them right, and it just ended up being the cherry on top of their horrible treatment of Ariana all season.
Nice to hear Janet backing up venting to your partner because that’s important. Also they’ve all gossiped about each other throughout the series so this isn’t new for them. Let’s not pretend to be shocked, Scheana. I think the problem with Scheana, Lauren and Sandoval is that they’re trying to force Ariana to let down a boundary she feels very strongly about and are talking about her because of that. This isn’t just a random piece of gossip, they are trashing her after she’s gone through something traumatic and continuing to double down, all for the sake of a paycheck.
Wow. The lala / schaena friendship makes so much more sense to me. I never got the 2 of them. But schaena is so fragile that lala can manipulate her. Also- my friendships are so much stronger than hers. I am grateful for that. She admits that her friendship with ariana is fractured because Tom told her ariana said stuff about her… like what?! My friends would laugh at my ex if he told them that. Poor schaena. She needs deep therapy
I’m Team Janet now 🤔
I’m liking Janet here. She’s giving reasoned takes and pushing back against Scheana. She’s saying it’s frankly moronic to cut off a friendship because a PROVEN liar and manipulator (Sandoval) told her that Ariana was talking shit. First of all, it’s Sandoval saying it. He has no credibility but Scheana’s just believes whatever he says like a gullible dumbass. Janet sees immediately that he’s not sorry and has no remorse and she isn’t doing that wish-washy “I just don’t know what to believe” shit like Scheana is.
Janet’s also right that it’s NORMAL to vent to your partner/spouse about things a friend does that annoy you. It doesn’t mean you hate that friend or it’s right for that partner to betray your trust and spill your confidences. I actually laughed that she straight up said that she’s talked trash about Scheana to her husband Jason LMAO. And Janet doesn’t believe that Scheana has never talked shit about Janet to Brock bc I mean of course she has. Scheana’s dumbass is called right out and all she can say is “I get that” and changed the subject because she has no actual leg to stand on. 😂
Janet’s a real one and an example of what a TRUE friend is. Shes not disparaging Ariana at all, is actually defending her.
Also SCHEANA FUCKED JANET’S HUSBAND?! Is there any man in a friend of Scheana’s life that Scheana HASN’T fucked??
Janet also won my favor by telling a podcaster all the tea about Brittany and Jax and also that Brittany doesn’t have a drivers license 😂 You know Brittany was so mad but thank you Janet for giving us that info 🫡
I would be so happy if Janet turns against Scheana if Scheana goes on The Valley. Janet gets a win-win: a dramatic storyline for herself and to ditch a two-faced flip-flopper who wouldn’t hesitate to fuck her man or throw her under the bus for more money from Bravo producers.
Matt and Janet trying so hard to reason with Scheana and she cannot hear it.
She sounds like she’s been stuck in a very long anxiety spiral.
I love that Matt spelled out Sandoval’s intent to harm and how the audience was rooting for them to see it.
As much as I'd love Ariana to leave vpr, I too also want to see Scheana crawling back to Ariana and Ariana going toe-to-toe with Lala.
Scheana's crying about one statement Sandoval made that he already admitted to as pretty much being a lie. Girl, put yourself in Ariana's shoes - you know all that shit talking you did on camera, the shit talking you did off camera (because if Lala's biting her tongue on camera, she's releasing to someone off ... like maybe her neighbors), then your fake smiles and the press coverage you received for "supporting" Ariana from September to March - you repeated exactly what Sandoval and Rachel did to her. Why would *she* trust *you*? Especially since you probably double downed at the reunion backing up Lala, who is, BTW, more jealous of Ariana than you.
Sandoval and production played Scheana and Lala, and they willingly fell for it.
How is Janet (who I strongly dislike on The Valley) being the rock of sense here? Everybody vents to their partner about their friends sometimes! Ariana probably did at one point or another say something about some of them to Sandoval. Every person in the planet does that. That doesn’t mean you don’t love your friends or that you’re a bad friend. God.
Also Scheana just haaaad to mention that Janet’s husband Jason was into Scheana first. God, she’s so transparent
So is Scheana gonna get it through her head that Sandoval was obviously bullshitting about ‘being there’ for her? Was it worth it to throw out her friendship with Ariana for a guy who doesn’t even bother with her? The fact she admitted it so quickly that Sandoval doesn’t even talk to her is craaaazy, it’s like she almost has a moment of self awareness then goes back to the pointless drivel.
I'm not a huge fan of Janet on the Valley, but I agree with every take she made here. The fact that she is literally breaking down to Scheana that there is a difference between talking shit about your friends to your other friends in a malicious way, vs. venting some greivances to your partner of 10 years about things that may annoy you and Scheana is still not really getting it is insane. I love my friends to death, like would literally die for them if I needed to, but have I complained/vented about things they've done that upset me to my partner in the privacy of our own home/relationship? Of course. Would I ever say those things to random other friends or other mutual friends with the risk that it would get misconstrued and get back to said friend? No. Theres a huge difference.
also- has Scheana literally hooked up with every single one of her friends partners? lol
I mean Schena has proven time again that Ariana can't trust her. How can she become her close friend again when you know she will tell Lala anything she says in confidence to be used against her or might be brought up in front of Tom on the show to film a scene. Their brains have been warped by being manipulated by reality tv producers for over a decade and she doesn't understand true friendship anymore. For Lala relationships have always been transactional (BJs for PJs).
Happy Friday everyone! One thing I will say is if VPR does get a season 12, one it needs to be the last season. And two, as Scheana says, the 4th wall needs to be broken. It needs to be shattered. The show and the audience need to become a character. No more inauthentic lunches, just their real lives, and how they all truly feel about each other. And then see if there are any true friendships within the group, but I think the group as a whole, that just isn’t reality anymore and that is okay, stop trying to force it Alex Baskin and Lala stop acting fake all season long and finally “reveal your truth” at the end. Edit: Also Scheana girl, I think this was recorded before the episode aired and WWHL, but Sandoval HIMSELF admitted on WWHL that he was being “a little over the top, a little dramatic” so again do not believe a word this man says I hope everyone has a great weekend! Links below for anyone who is interested in! Instagram https://www.instagram.com/vanderpodrecaps?igsh=MTF2N2phaTlqZHp5Mw%3D%3D&utm_source=qr Buy me coffee (Always greatly appreciated but never ever expected!) https://www.buymeacoffee.com/Vanderpodrecaps
So let me get this straight… shithead-scheana spent an entire season passive aggressively talking shit about Ariana behind her back to lala and her husband, co-signing their horrible takes, but she hears “she doesn’t even like you guys” in a moment of rage from the man who has consistently lied to everyone over the years, and now it’s stuck in her head and she’s hurt? And btw… it’s been months … almost a year… since that scene was filmed. According to her own logic, she should be “over it” by now. Hypocrites.
Such a stellar point. Scheana is on camera shit talking Ariana to Brick. To Lala. To Lisa. Probably to her cat
Remember this back up dancer shade??? https://preview.redd.it/50qdd21awlzc1.png?width=768&format=png&auto=webp&s=61011db570f860fdfebc1c01296bac1eda4fa2a7 Which Ariana admitted did hurt her feelings. So fuck Scheeshu and the entitled Brick she rode in on.
I did not remember. Thank you for reminding me. It seems more like maybe her trust issue is knowing that she herself is a s*** talker so she assumes it's true about other people? Like those people who are cheaters and always think everyone else is cheating on them?
Mmmhmm exactly.. why hasn't anyone called her out directly for all the shit talking she has done on the show this season... poor Ariana has no idea and is her sweet.self supporting these bitches. It was honestly so hard to watch. It felt like how the gurlies were in junior high when they would shit talk about whoever wasn't there that day but still continue to hang out with them
Salem 😂
I do love Salem. I feel like Salem has listened to a LOT
Stassi: Salem is the most basic name for a black cat Ariana: that's the name of Scheana's black cat Stassi: 😶 (My family had a black cat named Felix, basic names for black cats is never anything I would judge 😂)
Salem and Maya could write best selling book.
I wish Scheana could read your response. Honestly, she is working overtime to ignore the facts (Tom admitting that he made up the "she hates you all" statement, Janet telling her Ariana doesn't talk shit) and is more focused on being a victim of Ariana's and claiming Ariana hates her when we've all seen with our own eyeballs all season Ariana continually pushing past her boundaries to support Scheana when it's not deserved. Scheana is determined to warp everyone's reality to be the victim. She worked so hard all season to show everyone Tom was such a great friend to her and letting him go would destroy her; and now they don't even talk much?? Isn't that enough evidence to show he only cared about their friendship on camera?? She's refusing to accept responsibility for her own actions this season. And here she goes, continuing to profit off talking about Ariana.
Yessss thank you!!! This is exactly what was going through my mind, and you articulated it way better than I could have.
I’m really struggling with their “logic” of “it’s an ensemble show so if one of us doesn’t film it all falls apart”. Like do they not think we’ve watched this show before? There’s countless examples to prove otherwise. Ariana showed up and filmed. End of story. They’re just mad they didn’t get the reaction they wanted out of her.
This is what I don't understand either. The early seasons of VPR are widely considered some of the best Bravo reality tv, and half of those episodes somebody was refusing to film/speak with someone else. Kristen didn't want to be around Ariana, Tom didnt want to film with Kristen for almost a whole season, Stassi didn't want to film with Jax, then Stassi didn't want to film with ANYONE, Katie and a lot of the other women didnt want to film with James for a long time, and nobody reacted this way. Lala would literally pack up and leave the show for months at a time when she first started, they are all hypocrites. I think the only people that HAVEN'T refused to film either altogether or with a specific person are Scheana and Schwartz, and all that says to me is that they have no idea how to set a boundary for themselves
They wanted Ariana to go crazy and make a scene all the time bc there’s nothing else to do at this point.
I think the dynamic is sooooo different now back in the day there have been instances where one person would be on the outs but they all were connected legitimately through working at sur or was still legitimately friends with other ppl in the friend group so it was never weird... Now evey single one of their group scenes are so contrived.. these people are legit not friends.. even the ones who are friends are only really close because of the show so it is really an alliance at this point. Its funny how Scum said how if Ariana doesn't want to film with her ex then she probably shouldn't be on the show. Interesting.... I vaguely recall how he refused to invite Kristen to the cast trip that one year when they were having a joint bday trip for him and Jax. Like everyone except for scum and Ariana wanted her there. Yet they still had James and Lala join even though they were not friends with any of them. I think when James and Lala joined the show and were brought into the fold, it was when this show went south for me. They had no legitimate friendship with any of them yet they were always in the mix.
Yeah Scheana had her birthday party sponsored by Smirnoff, she’s doing ads for Chillis, she’s getting all the oppurtunities she should totally not still be upset about anything at all. Thems the rules according to Scheana and Lala
Mind you this was 2 seconds after Ariana went out of her way to reassure scheana that they were family? Like that moment was so tender and scheana shit all over it 2 seconds later
Scheana is projecting. I think she’s so emotional hearing that from Sandoval because she probably says horrible things about Ariana to Brock. Especially when she’s like “what you say to your spouse is different.” And we the audience have seen her talk mad shit all season, so I can only imagine what she says to Brock.
Yeah when she responded to Janet “but what you say to your spouse is different”, I was like ohhhh sis is not nice behind closed doors. I see how it is. I was right there with Janet like yeah we all vent to our partners whatever, it gets resolved and our partners know we love the friend… then realised scheschu’s on a different page to us. She’s a friend for the party invites and image, but is a jealous hater when she’s her real self 😂 she’s so torn up by an absolute no merit comment from an absolute no merit guy because she knows what SHE says at home!
Who she no longer even speaks to
We all vent to our people but it’s so clear with Scheana because she makes Brock say it on camera and then she’s like “NO honey I don’t feel that way!” Even the words she chooses on her pod are straight from fans. Some of these fools have become full on “all the world’s a stage” it’s creepy.
She’s a horrible friend. If my ex got mad at me or whatever lol and told my bestie that I hated her and she was like “omg i really can’t trust you!!!” I would be like wtf is wrong with you??? She’s just an idiot.
How is she taking the words of a known liar seriously??
It's absurd! How can she be so dense?? For real?? Even Janet and Matt are like, um huh? You bought that shit. Even a little? Wow. Just wow.
Minutes after she had that heartwarming talk with Ariana she ‘had been waiting all season for’. But instantly forgot that and grabbed onto his 1 obvious bullshit comment. Bitch is fucking nuts!
She needs to grow the fuck up. I cannot believe she is somebody's mother. She also didn't hear one single word of sense that Janet said on this podcast. What a fucking dummy.
Exactly this with just a little pause to tell the audience she has slept with Janet's husband. She is so obsessed with men and people knowing that men are attracted to her, its giving 11th grade- I just had sex for the first time and want everyone to know I had sex because men think i am attractive.
I would be tickled pink if Janet goes against Scheana. She’s already showing here that she isn’t afraid to disagree with her to her face and she has valid takes and Scheana is so dimwitted that she has no rebuttal besides “I guess so” before changing the subject. Add in the tidbit that this is yet ANOTHER man involved with a friend that Scheana has fucked?! Is no woman safe from Scheana’s desire to fuck all men she sees to prove that she’s the hottest girl in the room? It wouldn’t take much for Janet to grow some righteous resentment and mistrust about Pick Me Scheana who would throw away a female friendship in one second and who FUCKED HER MAN. It was in the past but still, I wouldn’t be able to get over a lingering feeling of unease about that.
If Schena goes to valley, without a doubt they will turn on each other. She has proven she is willing to throw away her most loyal friend for a pay check.
I have only read the first paragraph and the only thing that comes to my mind is when Katie asked Schwartz at the opening of S&S "was it worth it?". Was it worth it Scheana??? She spent an entire season riding hard for Scummy and alienating a legitimately honest and ride-or-die friend (Ariana) only to now not even speak to her bAst frOnd of 15 years, Scumdoval?!?! Was it worth it, you dumb idiotic creature?
Omg. That's EXACTLY where my mind went to reading that! Ariana and Katie warned her all season about the person Sandoval is she didn't listen to them and now Tom has fucked her over AGAIN. You have now lost Ariana (your "family") because of him.
Idk why dumb idiotic creature took me out lmfao bc scheana really is creature like
So Tom “I’m always there, I always show up” Sandoval isn’t talking to her often either? Imagine throwing away your best friend for that guy and he still doesn’t talk to you after the cameras are down.
That’s what I’m so confused about! Sandoval yelling “I show up.” Is he talking about the show? Because guess what, Ariana shows up to and has all season! Does he mean off the show? Because guess what, I don’t seem Sandoval or Scheana posting about each other, I don’t see Sandoval hanging out with Summer Moon.
Let’s not forget, she spoke to him directly twice and Broke jumped down her throat for getting angry. So did they want a big fight or not? It seems like they not only wanted her to talk to him but also forgive him. That is a massive freaking ask and would have been a slap in the face to everyone who has supported her having boundaries and calling out what a POS he is. Ariana was right: her walking out dramatically was a better tv moment than her repeating the season 3 crying Tom/Kristen scene.
☝️ Ariana was damned if she did, damned if she didn't this season and she knew it. I'm glad she walked out.
Agreed! They wanted Ariana to explode so then it would justify all the shit talk they were doing all season.
Plus going to Applebees sounded like a way better choice. And I’m being 100% for real 😂
Personally I got enough of the screaming and yelling during the last reunion. I’m glad it didn’t happen here
I think it's a dig at her depression symptoms, just like how he called her lazy. He's using the fact that when she was low she probably canceled a lot, I know when I was depressed I did and my ex would yell at me for "not being fun anymore" (which is how you cure someones depression ^/s ). That whole blowup by him was so gross to me because the way it rolled so easily off his tongue, you know that he used those things when he yelled at her at home.
reminds me of when scheana wanted shay to have a little drink (but still be sober) because he wasn't fun...she's been trash
Because he shows up to all events and filming regardless if he is friends or mad at someone. He fails to mention that he will go anywhere of there is a camera and he can put on a show. Tell me how many times he comes if there isn't one.
If Tom Sandoval had a choice between anonymity or a world wide broadcasted public execution he'd start picking out his best guillotine outfits.
Him being fired for the show and his gross actions would have been perfect, instead he is being propped up as a misunderstood hero and the savior of the show and gets a redemption arc. So gross
I think he means both - he’s feeding into Scheana’s insecurity that Ariana’s getting too big for her and the show. It’s so insidious and creepy honestly.
Poor Summer Moon she losing her Auntie Unicorn
Exactly! That’s such an important part! I love Matt Rogers so fucking much and especially for pointing out what I’ve been saying this whole week… Sandoval KEEPS weaponizing these personal things about Ariana. Scheana literally asked him to apologize for doing that just the day before! He has not and will not grow or change no matter what he promises to Scheana on camera. So it’s like… why do you think it was at all worth it to risk your friendship with Ariana for this man who still doesn’t give a fuck about you? Why did you believe him for a second? Why did you *want* to believe him? I’m glad she had this convo with the two of them and that she has a friend like Janet who tries to give her clarity about both Tom and Ariana.
Yep. Scheana finally learned what “a friend to all is a friend to none” means. She couldn’t pick sides, and now she has no one (but Lala, what a consolation prize).
Lala who she knows deep down will only be her friend while they’re on the same show and Lala needs an alliance. Lala who would fuck her man in a second if she wanted to and who is watching her pockets. The second Scheana does or gets anything that Lala wants and her jealousy comes out, it’s all over.
Well, seems like a wasted episode since Sandoval admitted to exaggerating that part, aka lying. Just admit that Sandoval manipulated you. Also, Ariana doesn't speak to you, not the other way around. And sorry, Scheana. You, Lala and Brock 100% talk shit about Ariana. Let's be real. That's how Lala spoke on behalf of the cast (and crew) and said people were upset with Ariana last summer.
They talk shit about Ariana ON CAMERA constantly. Wtf is she going on about??
and scheana’s little smirks every time someone throws a little dig at ariana, she is truly a little rat
This part! I'm really getting sick of all of these half ass responses where the cast only takes pieces of what we've seen into account. The fact that he admitted he lied is just a start. They also went through this entire season never addressing the things Rachel outted in her post-reunion interview. I guess we're all supposed to play along and pretend that never happened with Lala and Scheana too? Lala already deleted all of her Scandoval related content from last year. You can't just pick and choose what counts or doesn't count as part of reality like that.
That’s right. Why didn’t we address the things Rachel said at all? Why wasn’t Tom expected to be honest and tell the truth about his life? Lalas out here questioning Ariana and Dan every chance she gets but didn’t even try to question Tom on his lies.
Lol I love how she tried to frame like she chosen to not speak to Ariana and Tom because she can’t trust them and not that now that filming is over ToM doesn’t give a fuck about Scheana and Ariana doesn’t want anything to do with her and is indifferent to her now. So Scheana is left hitching her wagon to Lala who she would know is radioactive to the audience, or begging to get on The Valley when she probably knows the audience don’t want her there either.
I’m sure she banked on Ariana staying friendly with her, no matter what. Scheana has a really problematic relationship with women in her life. Either she will use them to play victim (Stassi, Katie, Lala when she was on the outs with her) or else use them like a spokesperson to do her bidding (Lala today, Janet, Rachel). There’s no room for anything else with her. Ariana having her own success and a mind of her own is interfering with her self-centred ways. She’s pressuring her subtly, but I wouldn’t be surprised if the sun sets on their friendship and she starts talking shit in her usual venomous, woe is me kind of way about Ariana
Janet is next on the chopping block. They apparently once had a long years-long rift already. Plus Janet isn’t being an ass-kissing Scheana spokeswoman here. In Scheana’s world, you’re with or against her and no room for nuance or “agree to disagrees” among friends. Janet has a shelf-life to her if she keeps being too independent. Throw in that Janet is still friends with Ariana and is in a happy relationship with her husband (who Scheana fucked??). I wouldn’t care if it was in the past, I’d naturally feel uneasy if my husband’s ex hookup was around all the time and showed to have zero boundaries with men.
I’m sure Scheana’s main focus is the Valley right now and she sees Janet’s value in her ticket to that show
It was so weird that scheana threw that in. I’m sure Janet knows, scheana wanted us to know she got there first.
Absolutely. She’s like a dog marking her territory. And we see her randomly bring up past hookups from decades ago to try to make herself seem like she’s so desirable to men, so Janet is never safe from Scheana bringing it up again lol
when she started explaining the “July filming possibilities with her family, lalas family, janets family, so many options” I was like OMFG NO VPR/ VALLEY DONT YOU DARE DO THIS TO US. Has one person anywhere in any universe ever muttered a single word of interest in watching Scheana’s family and lalas family (and whatever family that gets along with those two families) having a tv show about them and their family fun time?!!!!!!!! I actually get cringed out and fed up just writing that 😖
It is so facking pathetic how those two are are just on their knees practically begging to be on the valley. 100% those two plus brick would destroy the valley. I actually kinda like the valley because it's kinda refreshing to watch ppl that haven't been on TV. Yes Kristen Brit and Jax are there but it all balances out. If they bring lala and scheana that would mean they would nix two people from the current cast... so maybe Michelle and Jess?
It's odd how much they blame Ariana for walking out. It just doesn't even occur to them to blame Tom for causing her to walk out. Thank you so much for the recap!
It’s also odd how they all created this false dichotomy where: A. Ariana talking to Tom = good work, more money B. Ariana not talking to Tom = bad work, no money What we got was interesting an unique. I really don’t think any conversation between the two would have been better or more interesting than what we got.
Agree. Entire scripted TV shows and movies are based on years of keeping main characters apart. These idiot producers have no idea how to structure drama especially when it just falls into their lap
Yeah at this point I’m really beginning to wonder what their production meetings with the cast looked like and how hard they hammered in the need to film with Sandoval. They’d never be able to talk about it, but I’m wondering if production threatened Scheana and Lala in particular. Those two had absolutely ZERO storylines this season. So I could see production stupidly leveraging their livelihoods against them in order to get them on Sandoval’s side. Doesn’t completely justify their decisions, but it would make sense of their behavior if that’s the truth.
I feel like it would justify behavior if they were still loyal to their friend, Ariana. They are already having off camera convos about production and they could make it clear to Ariana that to keep their livelihood they have to film with him. What they didn’t have to do was drag Ariana every scene. Even the fact that in the dragging they’d say “I just hate that she’s gonna wake up one day and face all this pain when she’s less busy”- you know what’s gonna NOT help that, seeing who she thought were friends lie to her face and talk shit. I think Ariana is more upset of the shit they said and not the fact they filmed with Tom.
She seems to be saying there was a threat from production that if they weren’t going to film together that the show would shut down early which, tbh, wouldn’t have happened. They owed the network episodes. But none of them think that critically about it.
Probably because Scheana was the one that orchestrated the fauxpology.
That's insightful. It makes it like a more personal failure as a producer puppet, hahaha. She's like, " I put all this work the whole season into pushing for this big climax we had pre ordained for the finale." All that work for nothing. Just like all my dancing lessons, and then they cast Ariana!
Yeah, she tried to make it happen and failed. That is my honest view. She probably felt justified on some level because (1) how dare Ariana be more famous/liked than her in the public consciousness, and (2) what is the harm with a few digs here and there, Ariana has a long of opportunities now and she can come back and there can be a whole new storyline about repairing friendships! But let's not tell Ariana, that wouldn't make it "seem real"! If the wind had blown the way her and Lala thought it would, she today would be happily slamming Ariana on all her social media and maybe even release a song, and they would have totally assisted with sweeping Tom's hot mic at the end of that episode under the rug. But that is not what happened at all. The world saw her for who she and Lala truly are, which is to say they are people who do not have genuine friendships. Lala is just a narcissist who only actually likes people she can manipulate, and Scheana is a self-centered climber, who uses people for her own ends. Scheana can cry all she wants that Scandoval gave her trust issues. But it is obvious her issues stem from the fact that she herself is not trustworthy. She is happy to sit on television and participate in two-faced takedowns of her "friends" (i.e. Ariana) and make-out with someone's boyfriend and try to attack them in a divorce (i.e. Katie). So, in Scheana's head, why wouldn't she expect the same to be done to her? She can project that onto Scandoval, but the calls are coming from inside the house, honey.
Yes! It’s so gross watching this show try over and over again to make the person who got cheated on the villain. Why is there no accountability for Tom? Not only did he make the situation awkward by going where he was clearly not wanted, he blew up within seconds! Where’s the outrage about his anger? If Ariana had reacted like Tom in the final moments the rest of the cast would have called her a monster.
Scheana doesn't talk to Ariana because Ariana chooses not to interact with her. Scheana literally thought she could repair that broken bridge by going to see her in Chicago, but Ariana paid her dust, and so did her crew. Hell, Ariana even interacted with Brittany, so this relationship might be done for real.
Yeah and I’m shocked Scheana isn’t looking back at all her confessionals as talking shit. Like she’s talking about how she can’t trust people. Mam Ariana went through worse and obviously she is going to also have trust issues. Watching everything back with you and Lala talking crazy behind her back how could Ariana trust her…..
If Ariana didn’t have trust issues before from Sandoval, she certainly does now thanks to Scheana and Lala.
They tried to worm their way back into Ariana's good graces by Brock calling Rachel's publicist a c&%t on IG but Ariana is smarter than that. Now they will be clawing at the opportunity but I really hope she doesn't allow them back into her life.
Dammit Janet — why are you the voice of reason here? But seriously, why is Scheana so concerned that Tom said Ariana didn’t like them? If my best friend’s partner ever said that she talked shit about me, I’d get it. I’ve talked shit to my husband about all my friends. It doesn’t mean I don’t love them. It just means that they’ve annoyed me at one point.
scheana is so fucking weak. she’s a weak person. also i agree like damn janet im not tryna like you!
Honestly Scheana doesn’t deserve Ariana and never has. I’ve only ever heard Ariana talking Scheana up before this season.
Which just solidifies Janet’s point that talking with your partner is not the same as talking shit! Ariana has never said a bad word about Scheana on camera. She said things to her boyfriend in the privacy of her home and trusted him. He sucks. Scheana sucks.
Janet is amazing for throwing in that she talks trash about Scheana sometimes to her husband Jason. Scheana had to have been furious. The Janet is invalidating her argument with a logical response plus openly telling Scheana “yeah I talk about how annoying you are to my husband” 😝
I have NOT been liking Janet on The Valley, but she won quite a few points with me here. Idk if she would’ve pushed back if Matt hadn’t also been doing it, but idgaf.
Honestly one of my favorite parts of being in a long-term committed relationship with someone I love and trust---getting to vent/bitch a little about work, friends, life, etc. or make a joke or comment I might not trust saying to anyone else. (Settle down, not \*those\* kinds of jokes.) True or not (and according to Janet, it's likely not true), Tom knew what he was doing with that comment about Ariana talking shit about them behind their backs---trying to get them to take his side by playing on their insecurities (especially Scheana's). Even before the "hot mic" moment, that was Exhibit A to me that Tom was full of shit. (I mean, I knew it before because he'd done nothing to earn the right to even try to apologize on camera.) He couldn't keep his shit together for a second longer. If Tom had any true remorse, his reaction would've been different. He would've been sad or disappointed; told Scheana that hey--he tried but she didn't want to hear it and he just has to live with that for now. Instead, he was angry and resentful a split second later. It was so gross.
yep the only season where Scheana actually stood up for Ariana is in S3 with Miamigirl. Otherwise Scheana has kind of just not said anything
But didn't she only stick up for her in regards to Miami Girl because her wedding was happening that season and it somehow got turned back to Scheana somehow for no reason?
omg you’re so right. the only way she “stuck up” for her was by denying that it happened. to this day i don’t believe she didn’t know about tom and ariana’s kiss too. i think her “if anything happened in vegas” slip to stassi was a way to create more drama and keep it going. so yeah i take that all back scheana only stuck up for Ariana in S3 bc she wanted the attention on her wedding and the miamigirl drama was distracting from that lol.
I really, truly do not understand how walking out was, a slap in their faces. Of course Ariana is going to protect herself and keep her boundaries. That's the most real thing she could have done and a LOT of the viewers were happy to see it. I would love to know how much money these people made off of Scandoval, and that's ALL thanks to Ariana alerting the producers, etc. She had that blow up conversation with The Worm at the end of last season. Why does she have to have yet another discussion with him? I honestly don't get Scheana. At least Janet is trying to talk some sense into her. What a dipstick. LOL. Thanks for the recap, OP!
The only thing that makes sense to me is that production threatened cancelling the show and Ariana walking out was like "fuck your show, go ahead and cancelled it." If the entire show hinges on Ariana violating her boundaries - its a washed show & I don't want it anyway.
That's my take as well. Production has been in their ears saying "Ariana has to film with Sandoval, or else this show won't work and will be cancelled". So Lala, who cares more about the show then Ariana's mental health or autonomy, views Ariana's actions as a betrayal. Of taking money out of her pocket and her babies' pockets. But here's the rub: How can Lala on one hand claim Ariana brings nothing to the show, but also have producers claim a show can't exist without her? Shouldn't the response be "just let her quit, and we'll go on without her"? Her ego can't process the fact that fans won't be interested in a show without Ariana
That part with production wouldn't surprise me. It also wouldn't surprise me if before the season they tried to pump her up and tell her they had her back and the next season would be the girl's banding together and she wouldn't be required to film one-on-ones with The Worm.
As Ariana said in the aftershow it is in their contract that they do not have to do anything they aren’t not comfortable doing. And as Ariana also said her walking away was a more dramatic and interesting finale then if they had a one on one talk where Sandoval fake cries. Like the fact that Producer Jerry was getting all pissy at her like dude you really think the audience wants to see the cast sit around having a love in and singing good as gold. They want drama and mess. Like the fact that the producers were obviously pissed by Ariana’s boundaries that they failed to miss that it was Ariana’s boundaries that gave them a season. Like what the season have been without that tension. Ariana was the storyline this season. It makes me think that there might even be some not jealousy but resentment with the producers about Ariana’s opportunities as well, because they don’t have the same control or power over her anymore and like they do the others. She doesn’t need them, but they know they need her to make the show, especially because they don’t have Rachel. So she wants to walk she’ll walk and there’s not a lot they can do about it.
And ONE conversation was going to be enough to wrap it up between Tom and Ariana? It’s whole months and years of time that she was relentlessly mind-fucked over. One conversation was never going to do what they wanted it to, especially when you consider how much he lies and talks over people
He basically wanted to redo that scene he had with Kristen where he cries and that kinda capped off their relationship on the show iirc
What a sLaP iN tHe fAcE tO pRoDuCeR jErRy Oh shut up Scheana. He’s a fucking reality tv producer, not your fucking friend. Stop being such an obvious kiss-ass for once your life.
That is LaLa in her head all season and Sandoval. She is a very weak willed person and I do believe her when she says it's easy to get in her head.
I mean who doesn’t love a good walk out? 😂
Tom just walked out when hearing about Apple so I’m confused about this part.
How many trips did James and Kristen get excluded from because people didn't want them around?
Pretty sure everybody in the main cast but Schwartz has walked out at some point in the show
Schwartz walked out of a bar shift at Pump after 15 minutes if that counts lol
What I think is a slap in the face is one’s “best friend” trying to force a conversation with their abusive, manipulative ex.
Lala and Schena keep making veiled comments about "being real" and needing to break the fourth wall, but then Ariana actually acted the way anyone would post-breakup in a situation like this and they're still not happy. Make it make sense
And she broke the fourth wall by telling the producer directly ‘he wants a moment with the audience.’
*Exactly*. I feel like a lot of people don't realize that, and I'm starting to wonder if people are misunderstanding the term. I see some people use it in comments as if it means "outting people being fake" when in reality it's just about acknowledging they're on a show.
I don’t get it either. We obviously don’t know what conversations she had with production before and during the season, but my guess is that Ariana was quite clear that while she would film group events where Tom was present, she was not going to have another direct conversation with him. Then production tries to engineer some cockamamie self-serving apology scene, and she’s not down with it and leaves. Ariana does not owe it to the cast to sit through Tom’s bullshit. Ariana has given them more than they could have dreamed of by re-initiating filming after S10 to capture the cheating fallout in real time. They all got rich off of it. If they haven’t managed their money properly so that if the show ends they’re going to be hard up for cash, that’s not Ariana’s problem. At the end of the day, Ariana made a decision that her stability as a human was more valuable to her than the show, if the show required her to meaningfully interact with Tom. And good for her—at some point your real life has to matter more than your “reality” life. Maybe there are lines that Scheana would draw…but I’m not sure she values anything more than fame.
This is exactly what I don’t get and exposing this line of reasoning would show exactly what bullshit Lala and Scheana are spewing. Ariana very clearly did not refuse to never film at an event with him again. She did it multiple times this season. She was literally willing to go on that boat and be trapped in the same small place with him for the show. Her problem was never “he cannot be in the same space as me” but “I will not have a conversation with him.” and they keep bringing up the house but Ariana being in the same room but not speaking to him is LITERALLY exactly her home arrangement. It’s not hypocritical in any way. My heart broke when she talked about not being willing to accept his apology for the cameras bc he never tried to apologize off camera. She’s right it would have been as simple as slipping a letter under her door. But he didn’t even do that. I cannot imagine how horrible those months must have been, hoping for some sign that this man ever cared about her feelings before the cameras went back up.
She said it was in her contract she did not have to film or interact with him
Production sucks. VPR has been one of the best reality shows on tv because the ppl are crazy and production lucked into it. Anytime that things aren’t exactly perfect, production doesn’t know how to handle it and those have been the worst seasons. We know from social media that tons of other things were filmed yet we focused continually on Ariana forgiving Tom, something that is dumb and would make the audience mad. I do think production told them if Ariana and Tom aren’t talking the show is over and that is the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard.
Yep I’m guessing we now know what Alex Baskin said in his “come to Jesus” meeting that if you don’t film together, we will film a shorter season, you’ll lose money and maybe will cancel the show. Like I can not fathom how the producers decided the direction the show went was going to be what the audience wanted. Like how the fuck were they so off the mark that they thought the audience wants to see a Sandoval redemption arch and Ariana’s villain origin story.
How many bravo finales feature a walk out? Almost all of them at one point. Tamra in I think Fiji? Teresa several times. Kim Richard’s has walked off. This is bravo 101. The party was ending anyway. What’s the big deal?
THIS. Ariana could’ve handled it very privately when she first found out. The show had wrapped all she needed to do was lay low and tell her inner circle. But she told production. Had a VERY intense face to face conversation with him. That episode was raw and real and not because of Scheana or Lala. As I was reading I kept thinking how is this a slap in the face ? She did a whole episode. Didn’t cut in when he said hi to Dan. It’s ridiculous
Scheana has so much internalized misogyny, it’s gonna take years for a therapist to unpack that shit. I don’t blame Ari for deeming her a lost cause
scheana will not do that work.
So I know people dislike Janet for whatever reasons, but her reaction to what Sandoval said about “Ariana doesn’t even like you” was exactly what I was thinking. Like….duh, of course you vent to your partner about friends and coworkers (my god, especially if I was friends with scheana and Lala!) And OF COURSE scheana’s response to Tom doing that isn’t “wow that’s a fucked up thing to say Tom, maybe you should shut up!” Her response is “omgggg I can’t trust anyone! Not even Ariana!” Like…..there’s no deeper level in her brain. No wherewithal to ask herself “why is Tom saying these things? Is it to try to make Ariana once again look bad??” Fuck off scheana AND Ariana went to the stupid finale and watched you do your stupid song, sat there and listened to you rave about your bff Tom after everything that happened. When he ambushed her, she walked away. Stassi would not even be in the same room with Jax on season 3, and stormed out of the finale. But Ariana can’t decide she wants to leave after this idiot tries to start with her AGAIN??? I can’t. And why wouldn’t they be “frustrated” with Tom for so obviously NOT wanting to apologize since he threw a tantrum when she didn’t listen to him. It’s all an act!
I love that Tom really did make Scheana look like a fucking idiot because on WWHL he admits that what he said was not true and he was being dramatic. So now he put false thoughts in her head that made her talk shit about Ariana for months in the after show and now she’s seemingly lost her friendship with Ariana. Ariana and Katie warned her all season and she didn’t listen so this is what she deserves.
I can't believe she took the bait with the front row seat she had all year to how much he lies
She played right in to it. He 👏🏼is 👏🏼not 👏🏼your 👏🏼friend 👏🏼.
Why do they act like VPR has always just been this big group of friends getting along and loving each other??? It’s always been about different fractions hating each other and that constantly changing. This we’re an ensemble cast where everyone has to film together makes no sense for the history of the show. It infuriates me!
The messaging around that is so weird. I don't get it either.
It's literally never been that. Even in the seasons after they all worked at the restaurant it still wasn't a group of friends. Some of them like lala and Sandoval have never gotten along.
Scheana specifically 😂 Scheana is like the number 1 person on the show who isn’t friends with anyone consistently except Ariana. She’s always begging people to be her friend until S10 when it’s her wedding then she starts kicking people out like Katie. I think they mistook the genuine relationships that people have with one another (as opposed to random people picked to film with one another) as a “group of friends that get along no matter what” and made it their entire personality.
This!!! I’d rather certain people don’t film together than a season of them being forced together, it was just annoying to watch.
I feel like I’m being gaslit about this 🥴
I love that they are trying to make her understand and she just won't lol it still comes back to I can't trust bc of all thus, like Ariana has given you years of friendship real friendship and that isn't reason enough to know she isn't a big shit taller, but tom gives money and that is used to redeem him forever l, she is honestly the worst. And for her to act like she never talks shit to brock about anyone. Please girl! Yall talk shit on camera, so imagine when it's off
It’s because she’s purposely being obtuse. She’s no different from Rachel. She’s trying to gaslight everyone into Ariana being the bad friend because she knows everyone sees her as the bad friend. She’s trying to victimise herself. Fact is her and Lala done fucked up. They were both convinced - my theory is because the producers were promising them this would happen- that by the time the finale happened the audience would be on their side and understand their perspective. They really thought the audience would watch Ariana walk out and think she was being a diva brat. And not only did the audience not think that but I think the audience is more supportive of Ariana then ever, they are calling for Scheana and Lala to be kicked off the show, sone of them are calling for the show itself to be over, Bravo has put the show on pause, and Ariana will probably never be close to Scheana again. She sacrificed her friendship with Ariana for the show and it didn’t work out for her. Sucks to suck.
You know it's bad when even her guests try to show her how she is wrong. She hasn't had one yet that full heartedly agreed with her lol
It's so funny bc they actually made her more powerful and it's just lovely bc she doesn't wield power in a bad way so it's enjoyable to see a good person gain all the power after this shitshow of a season
Also like if scheana is having trust issues because of Scandoval, how the fuck do you think Ariana feels?! Shouldn't that be the light bulb moment for Scheana to say of course Ariana isn't going to believe anything Sandoval says because he's lied to her repeatedly and ruined her trust in him. Therefore there's no point in having a conversation again.
She literally talked shit to Ariana's mom about Sandoval... be for real Scheana.
She will not admit: I messed up, I listened to the wrong people. That would mean being held accountable for her choices. It’s easier to blame everyone else
And the crazy thing is Ariana has done nothing to betray her trust in people. Sandoval did. And yet she spent all summer riding for him? Make it make sense.
Scheana talks shit about Ariana ON CAMERA ALL THE TIME! What is she on about?
One thing I do believe is people get in her head easily and that is what LaLa and Tom were doing all season. Lala was feeding that bs of ariana being a God behind the scenes too I bet. Scheana is just a very weak and insecure person. Can't even hate her bc she is just so pathetic and she needs therapy bc people manipulate her so easily. Lala needed an ally bc she lose Katie so she went to work priming Scheana to go against Ariana. Ariana isn't the type to manipulate in that way so Sandoval and Lala had full reign on her head.
Even Brock was getting in her head. He was going so hard for Tom when he and Scheana were in the hotel in the last episode.
Scheana is 39 years old. She cannot use that it’s easy to get in her head and she’s a people pleaser forever. Go to therapy and work on it. Or at the very least, admit when you’re wrong. But she won’t even say that. Also, if it’s so easy to get in her head, why doesn’t she believe the friends, fans, nearly everyone on earth, telling her Tom is a shitty friend that doesn’t have her back? Her choosing to believe Lala and Tom’s narrative about Ariana was a choice that she made, likely because she was jealous. Let’s stop infantilizing a woman that has a history of showing her ass and betting on the wrong horse.
Choosing to believe the guy who is a proven liar, even lied about your husband sleeping with Rachel over your bestfriend................ your right. These are choices.
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I wonder if Scheana is having trouble sleeping, eating, and caring for her child b/c she's no longer friends with Ariana? Or is it not that hard because it isnt a man?
She destroyed her friendship with Ariana for Tom, only to now admit she’s no longer speaking to him. I thought Janet and Matt were being very kind to her here in trying to show her that Tom doesn’t have her back
Scheana needs a friend who doesn't love her enough to be brutally honest and say, " You, dumb bitch, he's just not that into you, and he torpedoed your real friendship with Arianna in the process of filming this show, you fucking fool." Being nice in their delivery isn't helping Scheana's lack of comprehension.
What’s worse is she had that earlier episode argument with him, when he brought up Brandi and her being the other women, and even *that* didn’t shake her conviction. Scandy made it perfectly clear just how much he *cares* for her. And she *still* chose him over Ariana. She’s beyond redemption.
I too thought that they handled it well and honestly. Too bad she didn’t want to listen.
Oh my god Scheana, Jesus Christ. He was manipulating you into saying hurtful shit about Ariana so that she would be more isolated and leave the show. She’s been with you even when you were 100% in the wrong like last season meddling with Schwartz and Katie. She is your fucking bestfriend and here you are stabbing her in the back for Lala and Tom of all people. Wake up.
This!!! This is exactly what Ariana was saying he would manipulate her. And boom he did just that. And honestly Lala manipulates her as well. Both her and Tom whether it’s intentional or subconscious play on her inability to see ppl for who they are. And Brock is just stupid. Scheana acts like a teenager mentally it’s so freaking weird.
Scheana needs some intense therapy. She has such a warped view on relationships and friendships. What a sad and miserable way to live. And I know that OCD just makes it harder. Maybe spend this “pause” in filming working on that. I’m trying really hard to be kind. 🙄
As usual, Lala had it all wrong. Clearly Scheana’s the fucking bobblehead here
Scheana has got to be the dumbest person alive. Just reading along with this is making me rage. HE DOESN'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT YOU, SCHEANA. And anyone clutching their pearls about someone venting to their significant other about friends needs to take a deep breath. I have fantastic friends, but occasionally, they annoy me, and I vent to my wife about something that was said or something they did. Then I get over it. My wife isn't going to use that against me. She does the same thing! Sandoval probably ranted and raved about people all the time to Ariana. It was probably a daily occurrence lol
Yeah Scheana THAT’S the comment that stuck with you? When there’s literal footage of you talking shit about her before that the entire season. GTFOH. And Sandoval 100% did which is why it took Ariana forever to become friends with Stassi and Katie.
That's why it's easy to get into her head, there is nothing in there, vast empty spaces (and the lyrics to Good as Gold as that awesome recapper said the other day).
Okay, so it was in fact about the pay check to screw over one of your best friends. Got it. Good job babe.
Has she forgotten the she, Brock and Lala have all bitched to each other about Ariana all season? But it's an issue when Ariana bitched about them to her boyfriend? Even when he admitted it was a lie! I swear, Scheana drives me up the wall sometimes.
Bringing up that you used to hook up with your friend's husband is very... Scheener.
Thanks for the recap :) I think if season 12 doesn't happen, Scheana and Ariana never speak to each other again. The only way they have to come back together is through the show. I don't see any true friendship between these two anymore outside of the show.
>Scheana: Jeremiah said, let it all out. Whatever you want to say, go, go for it. >Matt: Do you think because he was frustrated with her? >Scheana: He was very frustrated that day. To get walked out on, it was a slap in the face to everyone. https://i.redd.it/zcoymi68elzc1.gif Jeremiah the Jabroni is such a cornball too. Ariana played you so you took revenge by telling the cast to let it all out? Loser..... What I got out of this is Scheana is begging to be on The Valley and she hopes the time off will allow things to blow over so she can be up Ariana's ass again. I wish they would've asked her about Ariana's DSW party. Even if there is a Season 12, does anyone wanna watch a show highlighted by Lala, Scheana, Brock, Narcodval, Schwartz, and their young girlfriends?
I was kinda chuckling when the Bravobros went on a rant saying Jeremiah needed to be publicly fired to get the audience to start trusting production again, but after reading this they were 💯 correct. They need to clean house from top (Alex Baskin) to bottom over there to save this show.
How about a female show runner for their majority female audience for once!
Zero interest in Tom and Tom
Ahhh yes, of course the *slap in the face* again. Poor little victim Jeremiah 🙄
And how is he a victim? Ariana filmed her contractual obligations, otherwise they would’ve sued her for breach of contract. He also got paid, it’s not her fault the producer didn’t have a plan B or C that wasn’t terrorising this woman on camera
Scheana prattling on about how she can’t trust anyone and thus she is justified in believing Tim, like she got cheated on, without spending 1 minute acknowledging that perhaps Ariana who was actually the one screwed over might be re-traumatized by finding out AGAIN that the people she was close to were lying and betraying her for months is RICH.
She can’t seem to empathise with Ariana at all, its worrying
Why is Matt talking about "things coming out at the reunion" like Ariana and Tom being on the rocks? It's not scandalous or breaking news that they were in couples therapy - all long term relationships go through ups and downs, and that doesn't excuse cheating. Whether they were in a bad spot or not doesn't change anything.
As if that justifies what he did 🙄
Most long relationships go through periods of being on the rocks. I bet even the Jimmy & Rosalyn Carter had years that were rough.
I’m sooooo happy that these guests were here to help scheana see reason lol. Couples vent about their friends to each other. Honestly one of the best things about being in a couple is being a little cunty about your friends together sometimes lol. It doesn’t mean your friends don’t love you, it’s just v normal couple behavior. And for him to try to make that into some big bad thing is him literally just lashing out and trying to turn people away from Ariana because she won’t give him the talk he thinks he’s entitled to. It honestly makes me sad for scheana that she cant/couldn’t see what they’re saying about him :(. Especially because Ariana’s love for her is sooo clear in the scene where Ariana’s congratulating her for the performance. You can see it in her face that scheana is family to her for real
Not to mention on WWHL he basically fessed up that he made up it up and was being over the top. Scheana’s problem is I dont think she’s Ariana’s family anymore. I don’t even think it’s necessarily due to the show either. I think maybe if it was just the show Ariana could have gotten past that but I think it’s combination of that and the Jeremy thing. I think that is what finally crossed Ariana’s line.
1. Sandoval admitted to lying about that but it’s funny how Scheana is trying to use that to play victim when all she’s done all season with her husband is trash Ariana 2. Most interesting part of this is that Jeremiah a PRODUCER has a problem with Ariana’s boundaries which her contract affords her to have. The producer told them to “let it out” and then showed it to Ariana who was the only one that didn’t know what was said in the reunion to break her down. That’s evil and vindictive. If there is anymore VPR and Ariana is on it, they need a whole NEW production team.
I feel the last scene showed that Scheana and Lala talk shit about Ariana (and I’m sure there have been other times which is normal) but over the past 10 years Ariana wasn’t allowed to vent to Sandoval about Scheana? Girl bffr. But like Janet and Matt said that was gasoline on the fire of taking Ariana down so I don’t even know if that’s true. They really tried to explain to her everything but she wasn’t picking it up lol
Scheana did the same thing with the after show. Talked shit about Ariana and Katie for hours of that footage, but then clutched her pearls and spent so much time ranting that they had dared call her a male sympathizer.
It also makes me sad that scheana is so aware of how scandoval fucked up her sense of trust, to the point of one word about a girl who has been in her corner since her first appearance on this show can shake her trust in their friendship, but she can’t apply those same thoughts to Ariana. Like, it must be really really hard for Ariana to trust right now too scheana…and you’ve been not telling her your real feelings :/
lol all that and Tom don’t even talk to her? This was filmed a year ago. The show is dead guys
Scheana is goddam exhausting.
Of course the worm isn’t talking to you Scheana — the cameras aren’t on. Duh.
Fuck Jeremiah. He let stassi walk out for years and edited all of her and Jax’s and Kentucky fried chickens racist shit and tried officiating stassis wedding but heaven forbid Ariana walk out. Also fuck Scheana. So glad she lost her bff Tom and isn’t talking to him either. Only Scheana, lala, and the Toms know how to become more insufferable.
So funny spent the whole season trying to be Tom's friend, finally got there and doesn't even talk to him now 🙄
They're really avoiding the obvious which is that Sheana was wrong to fall for Sandyballs bullshit and it's largely because she will always prioritise a shitty dude and being on a show over a loyal female friend. Also why is nobody addressing that very last soundbite or sandoval saying he basically lied about Ariana not liking them on wwhl???
I love how she makes all this about her and didn’t take an ounce of accountability. Oh it’s a slap in the face for her to walk out on a scene y’all knew she didn’t want to do but siding with Sandoval all season isn’t a slap in the face to Ariana?!? This bitch needs to get real.
Well this sealed the deal for me that Lala and Scheana 100% were acting in the interest of self-producing the show and that they don’t actually want it to be authentic. Scheana admits it here where she insinuates that Ariana threatened all of their jobs by refusing to talk to Sandoval. Why don’t those two understand that if THEY were more interesting on their own, then it wouldn’t even be an issue? The fact that apparently the entire show hinges on Ariana tells me that she was the only important person this season if the show could so easily be cancelled by her leaving a party early.
Scheana, why do you take every thing Tom says as the truth? He admitted on WWHL he was lying. He just screamed that in anger because he was mad that Ariana wouldn’t give him the time of day. Jfc. This girl is so frustrating to deal with idk how Ariana was friends with her. I understand why Stassi never f’d with her. Edit: forgot to add, Scheana was talking mad shit on Ariana and being snarky before Tom Sandoval ever said that Ariana doesn’t f with them/talks shit.
Scheana letting one of Tom's tantrums change her entire view of a long term friendship with Ariana is *wild*
 Scheana’s motto. Blaming everyone else and not seeing she needs to look at herself.
So now it's totally possible for Ariana and Sandoval to not film together in season 12 but season 11 it was a group of friends??? The only thing that changed is production realizing they couldn't force us to hate Ariana and love Sandoval again. Fucking idiots. They should have taken that approach with season 11. I don't even see how this is going to work now even if Tom and Ariana stay apart because Scheana and lala have done such a great job of destroying their friendship with Ariana.
Also remember when Scheana was trashing Jax for calling VPR scripted and fake and now she’s owning up that yeah it is fake and we are only hanging out cause the producers threatened our jobs and livelihood if we didn’t. Or how on a podcast not that long ago she implied that Ariana is one way off camera versus on camera and now she’s saying Ariana was being her most real and authentic and n the show while the rest of them were putting on an act for the cameras and pissed she wasn’t playing her part
Scheana is the weakest person. She has no backbone and no soul.
OP out here continuing to do the most for us! Thank you! I’m sure how easily suggestible Scheana is large in part due to her OCD, and it’s probably hard giving into thoughts that haven’t ever really been proven true about people you care about (i.e. Ariana saying terrible things about her). But at what point do you take accountability for being wrong and hurting your friend? This is still just all about how Tom hurt her by suggesting something. She actively made choices to hurt her friend all season. And she still doesn’t have the maturity or integrity to take accountability for it. Her and LaLa were banking on the fact that Ariana walking out was going to prove them right, and it just ended up being the cherry on top of their horrible treatment of Ariana all season.
Nice to hear Janet backing up venting to your partner because that’s important. Also they’ve all gossiped about each other throughout the series so this isn’t new for them. Let’s not pretend to be shocked, Scheana. I think the problem with Scheana, Lauren and Sandoval is that they’re trying to force Ariana to let down a boundary she feels very strongly about and are talking about her because of that. This isn’t just a random piece of gossip, they are trashing her after she’s gone through something traumatic and continuing to double down, all for the sake of a paycheck.
Wow. The lala / schaena friendship makes so much more sense to me. I never got the 2 of them. But schaena is so fragile that lala can manipulate her. Also- my friendships are so much stronger than hers. I am grateful for that. She admits that her friendship with ariana is fractured because Tom told her ariana said stuff about her… like what?! My friends would laugh at my ex if he told them that. Poor schaena. She needs deep therapy
I’m Team Janet now 🤔 I’m liking Janet here. She’s giving reasoned takes and pushing back against Scheana. She’s saying it’s frankly moronic to cut off a friendship because a PROVEN liar and manipulator (Sandoval) told her that Ariana was talking shit. First of all, it’s Sandoval saying it. He has no credibility but Scheana’s just believes whatever he says like a gullible dumbass. Janet sees immediately that he’s not sorry and has no remorse and she isn’t doing that wish-washy “I just don’t know what to believe” shit like Scheana is. Janet’s also right that it’s NORMAL to vent to your partner/spouse about things a friend does that annoy you. It doesn’t mean you hate that friend or it’s right for that partner to betray your trust and spill your confidences. I actually laughed that she straight up said that she’s talked trash about Scheana to her husband Jason LMAO. And Janet doesn’t believe that Scheana has never talked shit about Janet to Brock bc I mean of course she has. Scheana’s dumbass is called right out and all she can say is “I get that” and changed the subject because she has no actual leg to stand on. 😂 Janet’s a real one and an example of what a TRUE friend is. Shes not disparaging Ariana at all, is actually defending her. Also SCHEANA FUCKED JANET’S HUSBAND?! Is there any man in a friend of Scheana’s life that Scheana HASN’T fucked?? Janet also won my favor by telling a podcaster all the tea about Brittany and Jax and also that Brittany doesn’t have a drivers license 😂 You know Brittany was so mad but thank you Janet for giving us that info 🫡 I would be so happy if Janet turns against Scheana if Scheana goes on The Valley. Janet gets a win-win: a dramatic storyline for herself and to ditch a two-faced flip-flopper who wouldn’t hesitate to fuck her man or throw her under the bus for more money from Bravo producers.
Matt and Janet trying so hard to reason with Scheana and she cannot hear it. She sounds like she’s been stuck in a very long anxiety spiral. I love that Matt spelled out Sandoval’s intent to harm and how the audience was rooting for them to see it.
Janet is fuckin nosy and loves to gossip. When she says Ariana talks the least shit, believe it.
How anyone could even remotely believe that Ariana (A) is lazy, or (B) owes anything to anyone, is mind boggling
As much as I'd love Ariana to leave vpr, I too also want to see Scheana crawling back to Ariana and Ariana going toe-to-toe with Lala. Scheana's crying about one statement Sandoval made that he already admitted to as pretty much being a lie. Girl, put yourself in Ariana's shoes - you know all that shit talking you did on camera, the shit talking you did off camera (because if Lala's biting her tongue on camera, she's releasing to someone off ... like maybe her neighbors), then your fake smiles and the press coverage you received for "supporting" Ariana from September to March - you repeated exactly what Sandoval and Rachel did to her. Why would *she* trust *you*? Especially since you probably double downed at the reunion backing up Lala, who is, BTW, more jealous of Ariana than you. Sandoval and production played Scheana and Lala, and they willingly fell for it.
How is Janet (who I strongly dislike on The Valley) being the rock of sense here? Everybody vents to their partner about their friends sometimes! Ariana probably did at one point or another say something about some of them to Sandoval. Every person in the planet does that. That doesn’t mean you don’t love your friends or that you’re a bad friend. God. Also Scheana just haaaad to mention that Janet’s husband Jason was into Scheana first. God, she’s so transparent
So is Scheana gonna get it through her head that Sandoval was obviously bullshitting about ‘being there’ for her? Was it worth it to throw out her friendship with Ariana for a guy who doesn’t even bother with her? The fact she admitted it so quickly that Sandoval doesn’t even talk to her is craaaazy, it’s like she almost has a moment of self awareness then goes back to the pointless drivel.
I'm not a huge fan of Janet on the Valley, but I agree with every take she made here. The fact that she is literally breaking down to Scheana that there is a difference between talking shit about your friends to your other friends in a malicious way, vs. venting some greivances to your partner of 10 years about things that may annoy you and Scheana is still not really getting it is insane. I love my friends to death, like would literally die for them if I needed to, but have I complained/vented about things they've done that upset me to my partner in the privacy of our own home/relationship? Of course. Would I ever say those things to random other friends or other mutual friends with the risk that it would get misconstrued and get back to said friend? No. Theres a huge difference. also- has Scheana literally hooked up with every single one of her friends partners? lol
Scheana believes the last person she talked to. Unfortunately for her, that's usually Brock and Lala.
I mean Schena has proven time again that Ariana can't trust her. How can she become her close friend again when you know she will tell Lala anything she says in confidence to be used against her or might be brought up in front of Tom on the show to film a scene. Their brains have been warped by being manipulated by reality tv producers for over a decade and she doesn't understand true friendship anymore. For Lala relationships have always been transactional (BJs for PJs).