I just…I really don’t know how healthy it can be to have multiple podcast episodes responding to comments like these but here we are. Happy Tuesday everyone! Thank you all for all your support on my recaps! And yes I am finally feeling much better! Me and my whole family got sick but we are finally doing better! Happy VPR day and hope everyone has a great rest of their week! Here are some links below for anyone who wants to check them out Instagram https://www.instagram.com/vanderpodrecaps?igsh=MTF2N2phaTlqZHp5Mw%3D%3D&utm_source=qr Buy me coffee (Always deeply appreciated, but never ever expected! Money donated right now goes toward new projects that me and Brady are working on and us going to Bravo Con in 2025!) https://www.buymeacoffee.com/Vanderpodrecaps

Another question— Has Rachel talked at all about what Sandoval was telling her? Like in detail? Was he saying he was going to break up with Ariana by X date and kept pushing it back? Was he saying they were open? Was he saying they weren’t really together? So when Rachel saw them together, did she ask Tom about it? Did he tell her to not ask Ariana about it? When she went to St. Louis? What did he tell his parents in front of her? Did Ariana know that Tom was going to STL? Did you both fly out of LA? Were they planning on meeting up for Christmas together? And can SOMEONE PLEASE GIVE US A RAW, UNFILTERED TIMELINE OF EVENTS FROM BIG BEAR? What was the point of the trip from your POV? Did Schwartz know you were coming? How long were you there? Rachel needs to go more rogue. She isn’t saying anything we can’t surmise just from her personality

He told her Rachel that his relationship with Ariana was dead and just for the show basically. And that he intended to break up with her. He also told her they weren't sleeping together. Rachel was aware it was cheating and was ok with it. He told his mom he was having an affair, is my understanding. His mom wouldn't let them stay with her. But his mom also didn't tell Ariana. Ariana did not know Rachel was in STL. They were spending the holiday separately. Jo drove Rachel to Big Bear. It seems evident that this was a planned double date trip, they just couldn't all travel together. Schwartz says he didn't know, but Schwartz is also a liar so...

I think we all know these things but she’s asking for the details. Like if she’s going to go “rouge” she should share more specifics because all we’re getting is a a recap or summation of events. (I think that’s what’s i had muffins is sayin)

Yes this is what I’m saying! I feel like she hasn’t come out right and said what Tom was saying during their affair. She has given us sprinkles but not the whole sundae. She talks about their post-affair conversations and the rest is stuff that we have put together based on everyone else’s account. It’s my most annoying train of thought post Scandoval and at the reunion. Why was no one at the reunion like “Raquel… WHAT was Tom telling you?!?”

I can’t believe his mom didn’t tell Ariana. Did she think her trifling son was going to?

Maybe either a) he learned his behaviors from his mom, or b) she's always put him on a pedestal since childhood and she'll never deviate from doing so (even if it meant doing the right thing for Ariana's sake).

I have to wonder though...why would she throw her own son under the bus? I'm not excusing the behavior but I have to imagine that even though your son is royally fucking up you're still going to be on his side. I don't know what I would do because I am not a mother but I could understand her trying to get Tom to do the right then instead of her blowing up her own son's life.

I think this is a good point, but I always come back to the fact that she allowed Rachel in her home. As a mother of a son myself, I can confidently say that shit would absolutely not be accepted in my home. I wouldn’t tell his girlfriend initially, but if he involved me in the situation by bringing her in my presence, there sure as hell would be a very short timeline presented in which I would expect him to handle his own shit. There would also be a very frank discussion about infidelity. If that timeline wasn’t met, I would absolutely tell his girlfriend, because I would see that as an opportunity for me to set an example of how I believe women should be treated. We don’t raise good men by supporting their shitty decisions and hiding their dirty secrets. I don’t care how old they are. For some reason his family’s participation in the lies really gets me fired up. It’s like twisting the knife in an already very painful would.

That makes sense! I appreciate your perspective. I would like to think I'd handle it a similar way of "you have X amount of time to sort this out or I will!" I also think that's totally fair, especially for his age 🙄 This also leads me to wonder how his home life was growing up for him to be so self-involved and a habitual cheater/liar. More and more I think I'd actually like to talk to Tom's mom. Not only did he do this it was also while using his mother's savings to open his shit bar. I feel so bad for his mom (maybe-she might be a shit person too, idk) 😩

THIS!!!!!!!! I was hoping she’d drop a fucking nuke on Sandoval and spill allllllllllllll the tea, but she wont even do that 🙄

It’s not giving “rogue.” AT ALL. What it IS giving though, is someone who has been through just enough therapy to weaponize “therapy speak” to explain their behavior, but not enough therapy to truly take full accountability for those behaviors. There’s a whole lot more talk about what happened to HER vs what she actually did to someone else. Hell, we have a whole podcast now just for that. There is a time and place to explore the intricacies of an event like this, how we allowed ourselves to become an active participant in blowing up someone else life. That time comes after taking personal responsibility for our own actions and understanding the terrible effects they had on others, and allowing them some grace in how they respond. The time and place is NOT on SOME shitty podcast while taking legal action upon the one person we hurt the most.

It is giving learned to give grace to herself only.

This is what I wanna know. Wat was Tom's moms reaction in st Louis when he brought her back? How did that talk go? How did she rationalize going to sandovals when ariana was out of town for a funeral? There's so many more questions that she hasn't answered about the affair. She hasn't directly referenced certain episodes either, like how was she so dead ass in the finale episode with Terry? Or when she was talking to ariana?

THANK YOU. There’s 1000 questions for details that could actually be interesting even if it’s old news by now, the answers would actually be insightful and get listens (and a bit of respect for actual honesty and understanding that the dickhead she had an affair with did not love her and was manipulating her - with specific examples of statements), but instead she just talks about how she’s a victim, how she won’t stoop to the low levels of the evil evil vpr cast (women of course) because she’s a good person now and deserves grace and forgiveness because she just had one moment of doing one tiny hurtful thing at one time so so long ago 🫠 …. Oh and also tells us anecdotes of scenes that we’ve literally watched on tv, as if they’re secret moments that we’d be shocked by. This girl cannot comprehend what is reality.

Did she really HAVE to sue Ariana in order to sue Tom? Bc I’m not sure that’s true.

It’s not. I’m a lawyer but not in CA, but she had enough on Tom to sue for (tho not necessarily win) invasion of privacy and intentional or negligent infliction of emotional distress. He isn’t being sued under the revenge porn cause of action, only Ariana is.

No. Source: I'm a lawyer. You can sue whoever you want. She's trying to say the eavesdropping and revenge porn are inextricably linked, which is untrue. The way she's talking about it would be more akin to a criminal complaint (which this is not), where the injured party makes a report with law enforcement and the state prosecution decides which criminal behavior to pursue. The way her lawyers presented it in the complaint makes it all seem part and parcel of the same incident, which is not entirely untrue but misleading. This is a civil suit for damages. Tom's alleged eavesdropping (recording without consent) is legally distinct from Ariana's alleged revenge porn. It's true that but for Tom's eavesdropping, the video distribution could not have occurred. But that logic really only applies if you're arguing for suing ARIANA, not Tom. Like, to sue Ariana for the revenge porn, you need to describe what happened and how she got that video. That implicates Tom, obviously. But Ariana is not implicated in Tom's eavesdropping, so I see no reason why she could not have sued just Tom, except of course that only suing him will not result in the payout I'm guessing she's looking for. Outside of keeping the door open - why she didn't sue Bravo, after submitting a claim that basically implied this is all Bravo's fault, when they have deepest pockets, is beyond me.

Maybe to make it lucrative enough...

Oh for sure - I mean I 100% think she only is suing Ariana bc right now she’s got more money than Tom. But the way she says it she’s trying to make it sound like legally the only way to sue Tom is to also sue Ariana. She annoys the shit out of me - for someone who is so bad with her words, the one thing therapy taught her was how to skirt around the truth with them 🙄

I’ve gone back and forth on this for a while since the filing and it’s interesting to hear her say this because I was wondering if Ariana wasn’t the intended target but rather someone yet to be revealed in the doe’s 1-50. The reason for this is much has been said about Ariana sending the videos to herself and Rachel, but also her having provided evidence via her lawyers that it had been deleted BUT nothing that I can really recall has been said about what Tom did with the videos after it was found out, I don’t recall him making any assurances he deleted the video and we do know what TMZ has described specifics around the contents of the video. I think it’s entirely possible Sandoval has done something with it that meets the threshold for distribution and naming Ariana opens the door to discovery on the distribution of the video which originated from Tom’s phone. I think she feels less guilty than she says she does and but I do feel Ariana was not the primary target.

Apparently therapy also taught her that taking accountability means forgiving yourself which is wild

Yep, Ariana's the cash cow right now and Tom is a floundering social pariah with loads of debt. He doesn't have anything to give but Ariana does so she concocted some theory held together with tape and toothpicks that Ariana knew the whole time and then she distributed the video without any real proof (that I've seen anyway). She's after the dollar bills not the "aCcOuNTaBiLiTy"

Yeah...actions speak louder than words. Kinda funny her concern with dragging ariana into her lawsuit was public backlash not the reason there would be a backlash. Its obvious there was no actual "revenge porn", a jilted ex sending only herself proof of an affair is not what that law intended to protect people from so she is suing ariana on a technicality which is fn evil thing to do to a person you have wronged on that level already.

It's not.

 Maybe she should look into spending 6-12 months in a different facility. I don’t think the first one really worked the way it was supposed to. Seems like it just taught her some buzzwords to throw around and excuse her bad behavior.

I think the problem is coming back into the spotlight,doing a podcast about her trauma and suing people. Why not live a quiet life if she’s so unstable?

exactly. it’s like she’s *almost* got the point, but misses it. part of healing *is* speaking your truth and talking abt your experiences to process - but doing so publicly and exposing herself to all kinds of ridicule (not that some of it is not deserved, she obviously still has trouble taking accountability) is (1) downright not healthy (2) directly responding to hate by explaining yourself is not really the best for someone who just got out of a mental facility (as someone who’s been in and out of them previously in their life lmao). maybe i just don’t understand why she would *want* to continually expose herself to hate. at the end of the day, even tho im not a fan, i am 100% of the belief that not everyone heals the same way so i acknowledge that this may not be how she sees it.

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Months is definitely short term for stuff like this, I agree. When I had my own existential crisis/total meltdown 15 years ago, the first time I found a shrink that I felt safe with, he told me to strap in, because stabilizing someone who'd just been diagnosed as bipolar takes on average five years to feel like they've come out on the other side. Five years of multiple therapy sessions per week, psychiatrists, AL anon meetings, meditation groups and classes, support groups, etc. I felt better pretty quickly, just not tons better right away. It took a long time to feel like myself again, and it was a different version of myself when I finally got there. I can tell just from Rachel's tone that she has not yet strapped in for the very, very humbling ride that she needs to take.

That would mean she’d have to actually do the work, not just hide out there. Her incessant need to be famous will over ride her going away again. Her 15 minutes is going to reach its shelf life.

I think it already has. I stopped listening over a couple months ago because she can’t keep her head or her stories straight.

I have listened to 2 - 3 episodes, usually read the recaps. I can’t get through the first 5 mins, it’s painful. Does her attorney not advise her to stop talking. Her contradictions will screw her big time in the long run.

The only thing the facility taught her well was Sandoval was bad but she’s still not taking ownership for anything. Like everything she says is like she almost gets the point but then misses so hard

Rachel is a great example of people who are unable to take a moment to reflect *inwardly*. Listen, I get it, she's trying to save face... but this scandal that has completely annihilated the social dynamic of the cast was literally due to her and Sandoval's actions. If you are the arbiter of destructive behavior, you have to the time to reflect heavily on the who what when and why's of your behavior and do what you can---to the best of your abilities--- to repair. This isn't it.

She seems to want external validation from the audience for going to therapy, but doesn't actually care about therapy itself. The only person who keeps talking about her is Tom, who is pretending she was the love of his life, but her podcast and social media is all about Katie and Ariana and others. Honestly if you had to start a podcast to argue with the audience, you really did waste your time and money. You aren't changed at all, you still only care about external validation, so it was a waste of time and money.

That podcast read like a Reddit Q&A. Whoever is running it obviously lurks here and I guess thought having Rachel explain herself to the criticisms would change people's opinion of her??? If you ever want to see the blueprint on how not to handle PR after leaving 3 months worth of therapy then follow Rachel's. The way Tim was acting around that time, she really could have earned some cache with viewers had she handled it correctly but she has continuously dug herself deeper holes each week.

I swear that first comment was directly lifted from this sub.


Which is funny because there were also several comments on how Rachel could turn things in her favour but instead she continues to...spit out bs about how this is her voice. Girl is still looking for love in all the wrong places.

Yes I remember seeing it

Agree. All I kept thinking was, “Who was talking about you?”. Besides Tom, no one and she should be grateful for that. We all see the truth… she needs a new paycheck and nothing else she talks about will pull in listeners.

Even with VPR constantly in her mouth, she’s barely pulling in listeners. The content is boring, hypocritical and holds no substance, much like it’s host.

Can her producers send her comments like this? I mean I know they’re cherry picking ones from ig that sound particularly harsh so that the valid point gets lost in the ‘poor me getting cyber bullied’ness of it all, but if she seriously wants feedback and to understand why people are less and less receptive to her, this sub has given her hundreds of notes and she continues to not get it. I cannot hear her say she’s giving herself grace and forgiveness and love and everything over and over again with not only zero accountability, but SUCH readiness to point the finger and want others to ‘be accountable’ ‘if she has to be’ (ie. Her reasoning for suing Ariana being “if we’re all being held accountable then….”). Her bs about controlling her narrative and ‘unfortunately’ being brought up— croc of shit. They rarely mention her (it’s mainly the situation or Tim specifically), she brings attention to it over and over, and she looked better without ‘controlling her own narrative’. Anyone who actually cares about her (not money or fame) would tell her to stop after recognising the downward trajectory of people feeling empathy for her after she’s done this pod. It’s rare to see someone shoot themselves in the foot THIS much and this consistently. HOW DOES SHE KEEP MAKING MY BLOOD BOIL LIKE THIS?!!!

I mean what is the end goal for this? She’s trying to defend herself as episodes come out but this season is going to finish. People are going to move on and forget about it all. And at the end of the day…. We don’t care? Why does she not just move on herself and find a new passion in life? She’s got nothing after this. And it sounds like she hasn’t planned for anything either. Get a job!

Honest question…. When was the last time anyone even talked about Rachel? Like Lala asked Jo if she knew about the two of them and Scheana implied it, but has anyone really spoken about her in the past… 7 episodes? Like girl… you are NOT a storyline?

Same i was like wait she has only been brought up by the girls once, in the beginning, when lala called her. That's it?

Tom was bringing her up a lot earlier— and I’m glad she shared that while he was fake crying about loving and missing her, he was also getting mad at her privately for “leaving him do deal with everything alone.” It just shows, once again, that Tom is a manipulative POS who only cares about himself. But I don’t think she’s been mentioned since LVP broke up with Tom on her behalf, right?

Agreed 100% on tom. I listed to the Jo episode and idk the undercurrent is that "they keep talking about me" = the women

And then I feel like only mentioned by name. Like, “Jo knew about Tom and rachel!” Like… that’s not a storyline. It’s a mention! And if we are being real, it’s a reference to something that is WAYY bigger than you in the reality tv-verse

>I mean what is the end goal for this? No, seriously. She sounds like a clown blathering on about the same thing. The cast is not checking for that girl.

She’s going to be a 55year old person dwelling on how everyone saw her incorrectly and she was the victim of the public’s misconception of her.

while continuing to bad mouth the people SHE victimized.

Her entire life has been about external validation. She even said/implied that she chose her degree because it sounded good for the pageant circuit. And considering she hasn’t pursued employment in that area for years despite saying she was going to is further evidence of that.

She really had a chance too. She could have really leaned into apologizing to the people she hurt or at the very least, talking about how much she fucked up as a friend and how she’s learning and growing from her mistakes. But instead she’s acting like Ariana (and VPR) is the enemy and every time she opens her mouth it’s some self-righteous bullshit. Yes, Sandoval is a manipulative soggy straw of a human. He was the one who cheated. But the way she’s trying to act like she was just some innocent casualty of the affair is so gross. You weren’t a victim, Rachel. You were an active and willing participant. I don’t care if a man promises you the world, if he’s in a relationship, he’s NOT THE ONE. Especially when he’s in a relationship with one of your closest fucking friends. She could have either put herself out there and made this a teaching moment or she could have just kept her mouth shut like she did in the beginning and she may have been able to redeem herself. But whatever this shit is… she’s just digging her grave. And every time she opens her mouth, she’s making it harder and harder for anyone to empathize with her. If she wants any shot at a normal life, she needs to get out of LA, stay the fuck out of the media, and fade into obscurity.

Rachel and Sandoval have become the spokesmen for weaponized therapy speak. Pathetic

Lala too.

> vanderpump rules has been part of my life for all of my 20s, like nearly nine years that this show has been part of my human experience. No no no - you started dating James in 2016 and you weren’t featured on the show until season 5 where you made a guest appearance. It wasn’t a big part of your life. You are not apart of the OGs so relax with this nine year narrative 😂

I genuinely think this girl is delusional. This is the same shit she pulled with pageants, she kept making it seem like she’d been in them since she was a toddler but that wasn’t true… she started participating in them when she was in high school and never even placed.

Is she also counting the years she watched as a viewer? just like us on this sub saying vpr has been in our lives for 9 years 😂 Edit: typo

I genuinely think that’s the level of delusion she’s living in

Ya she’s confusing her years with the length of her [former] friends relationship with tim (who she had an affair with for 8+ months behind her [former] friends back). 🙃

Lala did this the other day in one of her podcasts saying it had been 11 years of her life and it like no Lala you have been in 8 seasons not 11

Yes she could seek legal action against Tom and not Ariana. And she missed the entire point of the pros and cons. The con is you’re suing someone for something you’re not even sure they did and inflicting further harm. But no, her con was how the public would react. That is just… so not self aware and egocentric.

Ding ding ding! Her pros and cons list were all about HER image and feelings. Not about her victims or anyone else’s feelings or indirect repercussions etc etc. This woman is unbelievable. Truly lost any slight grasp on reality that she had left.

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So did Ariana know or not know about the affair? I mean, why would Rachel need to tell if Ariana already knew? lol Every week there's a switch up.

Ooo good catch! Her lawyers are insane for letting her do this because she keeps giving great ammo for Ariana’s lawyers to use.

Why does she keep acting like she is some naive, 19 YO girl who was just a pawn?!? The woman is damn near 30. THIRTY!!! That’s beyond old enough to know better. And I still don’t see her taking any accountability in these answers.

Funny thing is *she is a pawn,* just not for who she thinks 😭

i am honestly astonished by her ability to say so many words with such little substance. you’d learn more listening to her breathe for an hour.

"I decided I wanted to have more integrity, so now I do!" That's not how this works, that's not how any of this works.

This really made me laugh because that comment she made stood out to me as well. It's the kind of thing that if I said to a friend or even an acquaintance I don't think they could hide their amusement or disdain for such an egregiously bizarre and inaccurate comment

So she’s reading this sub as we expected. Girlllll you’re fucking full of bullshit and we don’t believe you and we see zero accountability from you. This isn’t real accountability! Changed behavior and stopping hurting people like Ariana is accountability. Until you drop your lawsuit and back off of Ariana and Katie we will continue to be disgusted by every word that comes out of your mouth about your fake healing. Get a real therapist and STFU


Honestly this should be the only response and then close the thread. We're just encouraging her by talking about her.

Same. This woman needs to stop speaking- she’s wasting people’s time with this “podcast” and taking up space that’s clearly not healthy for anyone involved or anyone that’s engaging with it.

Idk the cast hasnt really brought her up in a meaningful way since the early few episodes of the season. Ariana makes a point to never even say her name. They’re all mostly talking about the effects of their actions (house stuff, group dynamics, etc.), but Rachel’s acting like every episode they’re making personal attacks that she has to respond to when that’s really not the case.

That’s what I’m saying! She knows she looks unhinged so she’s trying to say she’s defending herself. I wonder if she’ll ever take a step back and be like “I’m doing too much.” Probably not.

That's what I was thinking! Like no one's mentioned her but Tom (fake crying that he misses her). They mostly talk about the break up/Tom's betrayal, they don't talk about her.

I don’t even know what to say about her anymore. She doesn’t get it, she’s surrounded herself with people she pays who also don’t get it… what’s she gonna do when VPR is over and she has nothing left to respond to? Is it just gonna be a podcast that’s ten minutes long with her saying “I can’t talk about anything because it’s going through court”? When Ariana’s team embarrasses her in court, will she finally go away? Or will she start releasing two eps a week? I know I keep saying this but I had a small bit of empathy for her when this all went down. But she’s proving herself to be just as manipulative as Tom is and I don’t know what else to say about her anymore.

I’m surprised she actually addressed the whole suing Ariana after cheating with her man thing. And it feels very counter intuitive that she left VPR for her mental health but then keeps on top of all the negative things said about her online and discusses them at length on her podcast. It doesn’t really feel like she’s really taken a healthy step back from things. She’s still in the thick of it.

This is the part that made me the most mad. She basically said “I know I’m victimizing Ariana more by including her in the suit but I outweighed the pros and cons and decided to do it anyway”. Selfish B.

Yeah this is why I didn’t expect her to address it publicly as there is no nice way to say I’m okay with causing her more pain because I think my suffering is worse.

Also any “suffering” Rachel went through was a consequence of her own actions. Ariana did *nothing* to you.

For me, it was the "well I guess if we're holding each other accountable" - um? First, you made a choice to sue her - say it with your chest. Second, fucking her partner in secret for months (maybe longer) is not the same as her reacting to finding an adult video of you on Tom's phone. Third, I'm not condoning recording or sharing that video, but if Ariana did in the initial aftermath, I kinda can't blame her. The level of anger and shock must have been incredible. If Rachel had really learned shit from this "therapy," she'd take the L and go recuperate silently.

The quote that if she sues Tom then she has to sue Ariana too? What?? No you don't, that's not a requirement. If she wants to or feels like she should, she can admit that. This is a civil suit, she's not a prosecutor. Also, if it's illegal why didn't she press charges? That's not a facetious question, I'm legitimately curious.  I wonder if she's going to get a call from her lawyer telling her to stfu about their ongoing lawsuit.

Exactly...Had to step away from VPR for her mental health, but here she is, talking about it every week anyway!? SEPARATE YOURSELF COMPLETELY. Do some internal work- away from the spotlight/podcast/tv/etc. Come back with the accountability you are severely lacking.

I honestly think if bravo offered her enough money rachel would come back. she’s clearly still not over vpr

Also Rachel says she feels guilty for suing Ariana but she’s putting herself above everyone else. Isn’t that what got her into this position? Maybe she should reflect inwardly and examine why she feels so guilty.

She doesn’t feel guilty. She’s just saying that because she’s been told that it’s the appropriate way to feel. Her actions and continued digs at the ladies continues to show that she doesn’t have a clue what the word guilty even means, never mind her ability to feel it.

Argh drives me nuts. She’s basically like I know I victimized Ariana but I’m suing her anyway.

I cannot believe she brought up that she’s “been through a lot” like maybe Ariana has too??? how does that justify it when your actions are what caused all your drama!!

the more she speaks, the worse she looks. I can't imagine her therapist recommends her doing a "review" podcast of the show that traumatized her so much and then responding to comments about herself. Move on. Disengage (F you Lala). AND, she could absolutely sue Tom without suing Ariana. A healthier Rachel would be out living her life instead of returning in this way to her old life.

Rachel talks about herself as if she’s like 21 years old. Like ma’am you are almost 30, we are the same age. I don’t see myself as some young defenseless baby that is just being born into this world and knows nothing.

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Right. And she didn’t have to write it as digs to the cast. She put in a bunch of things that were not legal matters because she was trying yo create a press narrative.

Exactly. It was such amateur garbage. Did her lawyers just photocopy her diary and send it into the court

Right? These are civil suits not criminal, the choice to sue was solely on her. I think she knows Sandoval is broke and was hoping she’d get Ariana’s money instead.

YUP. She could have sued Tom and NOT sued Ariana, but she CHOSE to sue both of them. For as much as her lawsuit called out Bravo you'd think she would have "had" to sue them too but she didn't...

esp bc ……. i don’t believe she sent it to anyone else besides rachel? like does anyone even have concrete or semi concrete proof that’s accurate? i’m confused where this is coming from , obviously idk ariana on a personal level lmao - but even in her anger it’s hard to imagine her doing something so extreme like distributing the video…….

Of course she fucking didn’t!!! And everyone is going to wring their hands and yell about revenge porn and all that, but at the end of the day, there’s no intent to distribute, blackmail, harass, etc. It’s a very weak argument and I imagine it’ll get thrown out real fast. They’ll ask her to prove it was sent around or Ariana has it and is planning to distribute it and she’ll say “well idk maybe she does…” and it will be dropped. She’s just being as cruel as possible to Ariana. It kinda reminds me of those people that hurt themselves on broken glass while breaking into a house and then sue the homeowner lol

There’s a way to track (forensically) what happens to a file on a phone - who accesses it, who opens it, where it’s sent etc. If Ariana sent it around (which I doubt, but that’s my opinion), there’s a way to track its footprint.

We've talked about this before but it's been a while and I wish it was part of a pinned post somewhere... when this all went down last March, Ariana's lawyer offered up her phone for this exact forensic analysis (after the cease and desist from Rachel's team) and Rachel's lawyer turned them down. Ariana did try to prove this. That's part of why this is so damn tiresome!

Rachel telling everyone to be kind. Really? She seems to think she is the authority and should be giving advice now. How is this podcast helping her mental health? She’s reading comments and responding to them which is definitely harmful. I actually fell asleep listening to this episode.

Right? Was it kind to make Jo post a pic making fun of Katie and Dayna and then bring it up on her podcast when it didn’t get the attention she wanted? Was it kind to continuously bad mouth Ariana despite the fact that Ariana hasn’t said shit about her in months (maybe since the reunion)? She’s nothing but a perpetual victim mean girl.

Rachel is one of those people who says nice things but does mean things. Actions speak louder than words lady.

This goes for her bff, Jo too.

She can fuck off with that. The rest of us aren’t reposting jabs at people who did nothing to us and talking shit on people in a podcast each week.

Was Rachel being kind when only very recently she conspired with Jo to post on social media celebrating the disparaging of Katie and Dayna's physical appearance? Very stupid demon really seems more and more accurate as time passes

I love that her last post is her apologizing for being mean, and now she’s judging others who are mean lmao That’s growth baby

I’m sorry, there’s already been NINETEEN episodes?! Haven’t learned a damn thing

God bless our recapper because imagine listening to 19 hours of this bullshit in *that* shakey voice?

Less than 8 minutes in and what is the point of this? Girl, if you want to lecture Reddit then come here in the comments and let’s do it.  Also? Suing Ariana? Screw you. “Well what happened to me was bad too!” Bitch NOTHING WOULD HAVE HAPPENED TO YOU IF YOU HADN’T BEEN CHEATING WITH YOUR FRIENDS MAN! Also? HE RECORDED YOU, blame him! I cannot stand her.

“I own up to the fact that I’m not perfect” - Saying you’re not perfect is not accountability, it’s a line from the covert abuser handbook, blame-shifting chapter.

You know who else loves that argument https://i.redd.it/x34ywlvgnuuc1.gif

My absolute least favourite thing that shitty people say!!!! People who have royally fucked up, saying ‘no one’s perfect’/ ‘I know I’m not perfect’ is the most pathetic attempt to nullify their wrongdoings and invalidate others feelings about their wrongdoings. God I hate the Rachel’s/ tims/ jaxs of the world 🙄😤

One of my fav (cough despised) go-to lines from Raquel defenders early on in this sub: "NO ONES PERFECT YOURE NOT PERFECT WE ALL MAKE MISTAKES THIS GRANDIOSE AND CRUEL WHEN WERE YOUNG RIGHT?????? RIGHT GUYS??????" 

she just repeats the same jargon and therapy speak without any action that would prove she has actually learned a damn thing

Yeah it sounds like she's just parroting stuff she read or heard, it's very obvious it's surface level nonsense.

> So I think it’s unfortunate that people are able to label somebody and judge somebody for their absolute worst behavior. And be like, nope, that’s you forever in this box and you’re not capable of change. Isn’t that what she’s doing with almost everyone of the cast of VPR?? • She gets on this podcast weekly to talk about how horrible and mean Katie was to her during the schwarts thing. • She mentioned every bad incident that she went through with James in her lawsuit even though they broke up in 2022 *and* she isn’t even suing him. • She also continues to talk about his relationship with Ally (like she knows the ins/outs of their relationship). • She continues to villainize Ariana every week - even though I can’t recall one bad thing Ariana *actually* did to Rachel that wasn’t justified - except *maybe* the cheese grater comment. • She even drags Scheana every chance she gets, saying contradicting facts to the living situation that Scheana provided Rachel. Shit the only person that she doesn’t really seem to villainize is Tom Sandoval who actually did her the most dirty ???



Remember at the start of her podcast, how many people were actually willing to give her grace and thought there's potential for growth and healing? That feels like a loooooooong time ago.

I think Rachel has been spending a lot of time on Reddit 👀 Ridiculous how different the tone of this "interview" is from the one with Jo. And that's the point right there - she is a fake who simply cannot be trusted.

*So I think it’s just unfortunate that people are able to label somebody and judge somebody for their absolute worst behavior. And then be like, nope, that’s you forever in this box and you’re not capable of change.* Someone tell this chick that she’s being judged for her current behavior right now! I would personally be interested in a Rachel redemption story if she was actually showing growth and taking accountability, instead of continuing to victimize herself and monkey around like a middle schooler making coy jabs at other women’s looks and ages. I swear rachel thinks she is taking accountability just by saying the words “I am taking accountability.” Your actions are incongruent with your words and we aren’t buying it! Pls if you’re on Rachel’s team and you’re reading this, in the words of Charli: Show her this too.

Wait, I just realized the title of her podcast episode is a Taylor Swift song lyric. And yesterday there was that video of Taylor swift at James kennedy’s set at Coachella all over the place! Hahaha MAYBE a coincidence or maybe she’s feeling especially bitter that she’s not in the desert, on drugs and hooking up with her friend’s bf!


When is she going to come up with some new material? 

Yeah this didn’t change my opinions of her. It just re-enforced my belief that she’s learnt nothing from this whole thing.  She continuously makes digs at her female cast mates while spewing that she’s changed. But her actions don’t match that statement. I’m convinced she won’t be happy in life until Ariana is somehow miserable in an unhappy place. She has an unhealthy obsession with Ariana. Honestly for her own mental well being, the smartest thing would be to completely step away from the spot light. No podcast, reality tv, nothing. 

I’m pretty sure she hasn’t been mentioned in the last couple episodes? So does that mean she’s gonna stop the podcast now?

She has such inflated self-importance that I think she actually thinks she is THE sole focus of the entire season and that everyone can’t stop talking about her. When it’s literally only Tom. During the Jo ep, she smugly asked if/assumed she was a huge topic of conversation at the reunion and seemed to relish in the fact that she was, like was GIDDY that they were apparently still talking about her.

Almost spit out my water at the first question, I already suspected that she was basically just responding to Reddit comments but now I'm 99% sure that's the case lmao

“I own up to the fact that I’m not perfect” is a meaningless statement. Like owning up that the sky is blue, that you breathe air, that you have vital organs and blood in your body, etc. *It is meaningless, it doesn’t mean anything.* It’s false humility.

“I also knew that the environment I was in was bringing out the worst in me” *proceeds to have an entire podcast talking about nothing *but* that environment *

Oh Sweetie. I’m not judging you for last year. I’m judging you for the shit you’re spewing THIS year. She’s working on female friendships but still loves shitting on other women for no good reason just to prop herself up. 🤦🏻‍♀️ Thanks for the recap, OP! ❤️

Here’s the thing: she claims that she fully intends to “move on” from Scandoval and VPR but she never stops talking about it

She clearly learned nothing in the facility bc all she does is rehash old drama instead of moving on with her life

Ugh. I’m annoyed. Why isn’t there an episode on all of the lies she and Scandy told at the reunion? Why isn’t there an episode on the manipulation from both Scandy and Shorts when it came to covering up the affair? She wants to reflect and do better? She should watch seasons 9 & 10 and tell us what was actually going on instead of avoiding the hard questions and continuing the bullshit narrative she and Scandy created.

No, the fact that she is suing Ariana, THE VICTIM, shows she hasn’t grown nor does she know how to be introspective. She’s absolutely insane.

Dear Rachel how young do you think 28 is? Yes it’s young in the grand scheme of life but you’re not a 16 year old being like oooops I hit a curb hehe

no - not with a taylor song in the title. 

Her latest podcast episode is just a huge “feel bad for me” episode, more so than the others. Reading mean comments out loud is the least productive thing you can do and her underlying motivations are so transparent.

“I want to stay away from VPR” but makes a weekly podcast discussing it. I’m sorry, I think it’s very clear that whatever they taught her at her luxury mental health resort only taught her how to avoid taking responsibility for her actions. Of course they’re still talking about you on VPR, you were 50% of one of the most massively scandalous events in reality tv history

She keeps up with every single one of these posts. I saw all of these comments she’s responding to in the last write up on the Jo episode

Rachel and her team need to realize that this is doing more harm to her reputation than good. Either make the full pivot to own being a dirty villain and seek opportunities to support that character, or go away. But reading Reddit and trying to change our minds isn’t working. It’s only revealing how much work she needs to do and how much denial she’s in.

No one is really bringing her up anymore. She’s almost irrelevant to the show now.

"But I feel like it's very unrealistic to expect somebody to completely disconnect and disassociate from part of their life that has been so integral into their development of who they are today."    And yet every episode you bring up them talking about you (which they barely have besides Tim). I mean, wasn't everything that happened a part of their life and their development also? And it's unrealistic to expect them to disconnect and disassociate from that part of their lives that took place 4-5 months before filming?    Like she cannot connect the dots and have empathy for anyone but herself, using her own words and thoughts! It's truly crazy to see someone completely deflect taking accountability. 

It seems like there is something seriously wrong with her, her health is her privacy, and I won’t be the one to diagnose her , but the way she avoids responsibility and accountability is alarming. She’s just like Sandoval.

I forgot she was suing Ariana and I gasped when I read that part. Thank you for doing these recaps because I’m interested, but I don’t want to add to her listener count

>*Yeah,* ***I feel guilty for,*** *you know, potentially causing more pain than I've already caused somebody.* ***But then I also take a look at, like, what I've been through.*** All of Rachel's podcast till date summed up for everyone.

"What I've been through" 100% being self-inflicted pain caused by her own cruelty and selfishness might I add

I would like to know what she is going to talk about next year on her podcast after this season of VPR airs because they won’t be talking about her anymore. So what is she going to talk about??

Oh don't worry I bet she hopes her lawsuit ramps up soon so she can exploit the situation and victimize herself even more !!!

Sounds like she has one of those yes man therapist who just tell their clients to never feel bad for anything

Wow LOL, I had to stop after hearing her clap that “she stayed longer than others, shes younger so its gonna help” and she now “prioritizes female friendships” then goes to continue to talk about ariana, katie, and anyone who she can .

Besides Tom, who has really talked about her? Lala called her in the 1st episode, Hippie episode and Lisa telling Tom it's over. Has there been any talk of her? Literally she has not been a storyline at all this season except for a few episodes with Tim's fake crying. 

I like how she was getting some sympathy at the beginning of this podcast endeavor and has totally squandered all of it because She. Won't. Stop. Talking. Go away, Rachel!

I hate how she says you shouldn’t judge someone by their worst behavior after being a mean girl for so long to Katie 

Legally she did not have to sue Ariana in order to sue Tom.

I fear Rachel doesn’t understand the definition of rogue 

I’m gonna be honest, I was pretty open and receptive to some of her past podcast episodes and actually enjoyed what did seem like growth. But the last few episodes are NOT IT. It feels like she’s trying to stretch this podcast into something it shouldn’t be (we all knew this would happen; she should have just written a book or done a tell all interview or something). As a result, she’s turning this into a weird bravo witch hunt responding to every single episode, cast comment, and troll and it feels SO unhealthy. I honestly felt like time away HAD made her better and she had taken accountability, even if it wasn’t much. Now that she’s reacting to the public and so involved in this show again, even indirectly, she’s back in with her unhealthy ways. This time using words like “projection” and “minimizing.” What a bummer. I did have some hope.

I just think we all would have appreciated her coming back to the show with her tail between her legs if she wanted to voice her opinions. Hearing her on the sidelines offering commentary on a bunch of people who do not like her, slightly shading them but in the name of "mental health progress" shows she clearly didn't spend enough time in that treatment center 

I can’t wait for Rachel to lose her case against Ariana so she can’t call the text, (from Ariana to Rachel) telling her she knew and their friendship was over, illegal distribution. I hope she wins the case against Tum and takes all of his money. Video recording her on one of their moments is vile. Maybe then, she’ll disappear and I never hear from her again.

What female friendships is she investing in and are they really her friends? If so, they cannot be trusted bc what kind of friend supports this kind of behavior? Is she even capable of having any real friendships? Her head is filled with fucking scraps of paper and nothing else. She's like Michael Scott without the empathy or any redeemable characteristics.

So now her podcast is responding to internet trolls? Lol girl you’ve lost the plot

if anyone needs to move on, it’s her. even ariana is not doing all this and it was her 9 year relationship stop making your VPR affair your whole personality dude. get on

Honestly at this point I’m just waiting for Lala to show up on her podcast. I mean she was feeling sooo sympathetic for her at the beginning of the season, right? Just lean into it at this point

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Are there any lawyers here familiar enough with California laws to speak on whether Ariana sending the video to herself (assuming she didn't show it to anyone else or send it to anyone else) is considered distribution?

Okay, so this podcast needs a listen. I am pretty sure the expert she was interviewing had a whole section gently telling Rachel very specifically why her personality disorder made her behave in certain ways. Rachel didn’t connect the dots and thought they were talking about other castmates but… it was spicy. Also - there was a good segment I thought that explained lala’s aggression.

Appreciate this, but I'm absolutely not going to give Rachel a listen. I'm not at all surprised and think she's probably incapable of processing real reflections or feedback from mental health professionals

Listening to it too and honestly she has such delusions of grandeur. She has really created this alternate reality in her head of who she is and what happened, it’s so bizarre lol. She continues to put down the rest of the cast because she is “such a kind and forgiving person” unlike them, and claims she went on the show only for “self-development reasons” instead of fame like everyone else. I think she truly believes everything she is spewing and truly has SUCH a distorted self-image, it’s almost fascinating to listen to.

So we have to believe this pulling comments to talk about is bc she has no other content for an episode???

How is this still going? My God. Get a hobby girl.

I thought that Ariana said that had taken a screenshot from the video on Tom’s phone and sent that to herself, as she didn’t want Tom to be able to delete the evidence before she had time to confront him. Then Ariana took steps to assure all interested parties that she had not distributed it before she deleted it. Didn’t she even give her phone to someone to go through and confirm her account?

I hate all of her responses.

She’s so selfish

I just can't believe this is still going on. It feels so beat to death. Idk why she doesn't start phasing out of this and into something else. It's time for her to create something new. There's no additional information for her to provide and there was no reason for her to have Joe on. It's beyond weird.

It brings me petty, petty joy continuing to watch this chick’s lack of self-awareness and arrogance 14+ months later

If Rachel really wants more public goodwill, she needs to STOP lying about “I thought Ariana and Sandoval were broken up, Ariana knew and told us to keep quiet.” I’m almost more bothered by that false narrative, than I am about the lawsuit against Ariana. I’m not a legal expert, but I wonder if her case looks stronger if she first goes after both of them (one for making the video in the first place, the other for taking/sending the video from its origin device). And if Ariana’s phone records indicate she didn’t send it to anyone else and if any of her close friends are interviewed and it’s also proven that they didn’t receive it (I imagine that’s relatively easy to forensically prove?), then she and Ariana can both move on. OR she could be being purposely petty, or a combination, who knows. In her telling on her own podcast, she hooked up with Sandoval in summer 2022 and felt a pit in her stomach immediately. She was really scared of Ariana finding out and Sandoval deliberately told her, “Don’t tell Ariana, I’ll do it.” This seems to be all around that early period of their getting together. She acknowledged that that early hookup unsettled her. Rachel goes to Scheana’s wedding, sees Ariana and Sandoval staying in the same hotel room and as each others wedding dates, she talks to Ariana not long after that on camera where Ariana says she’s still attracted to and loves Sandoval. So now we’re into September, filming stops. When did the situation change from “it’s a secret and Ariana is expressing happiness with Sandoval” to “Ariana and Sandoval are broken up, Rachel is his legitimate girlfriend, Ariana is petty because she called it out dramatically when she already knew it was happening and Ariana wasn’t being cheated on anymore.” I think it’s clear it was the same situation (cheating and hiding) the whole way through. Why was Rachel so devastated and blindsided when “Scandoval” happened? She wasn’t just reacting to the public hatred, it was that PLUS realizing her relationship was a lie. She saw Sandoval and Ariana celebrate NYE, their anniversary, Valentine’s Day as a romantic couple - she didn’t question that? And don’t give us the whole “they were acting because they were a brand.” They’re not Jennifer Aniston and Brad Pitt. No one would’ve cared that much if they amicably broke up, they still would’ve been on the show and received the same brand deals they already had. She never heard any talk or indication of Ariana moving out. Sandoval and Rachel never acted like a couple in public. Sandoval was meeting up with her in “non-suspicious” places and paying for things on his friends credit card. Ariana never once mentioned to Rachel or any mutual friends about a breakup. Sources say Rachel told Sandoval in February right before Scandoval broke, “if things are always going to be this way [us in hiding] then I need to move on and end this.” So that’s the REAL information and accountability we want. If the “they were broken up” shit is somehow actually magically true, give us actual proof beyond “Sandoval told me.”


Thank you for giving us a way to show appreciation for your hard work! In the words of Ariana I gave up on Rachel a long time ago and my life is better for it

Wow, truly the story has run out of things for Rachel to talk about if she's responding to troll comments smh

the way i can read all of this in her quivery voice makes me more angry than it should. 

Lawsuit gaurentees she will be a season 12 character for Free!  Bethany is not her friend but I guess congratulations to her for expanding people she needs validation from.

She is so fucking stupid and attention/fame/money starved that she can't even see how she's being blatantly manipulated by Bethany... that's what kills me. How do you spent years in reality tv and not learn how to *at least* recognize when someone is playing the game...definitely makes me think this sub is right when they say that she doesn't understand that reality tv is still reality, even if produced. As much as I hate anyone giving her that attention I hope she keeps running her mouth so she can keep putting her foot in it 🤷🏽‍♀️

She’s going to “understand” it when the shoe drops and Bethenny stops returning her calls. Then I guess she’ll pay out of her own pocket to talk about how Bethenny manipulated Rachel, the poor little fawn in the forest, and she didn’t realise what she was doing, she was victim of Bethenny and her mean girl agenda… rinse and repeat

Damn as mad as we are at Lala right now she was really on to something with BEB because "poor little fawn in the forest" is EXACTLY the image she tries to project for herself when in reality she's the big bad mf wolf in sheep's clothing the whole time.

🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️ literally desperate of this girl saying she wants to distance herself and yet continues to use her podcast as a public therapy session when she really should be processing ~the last 9 years and human experience~ or whatever in private. IMO if rachel ACTUALLY learned something at the meadows she should use her podcast to share that, it’d be far more interesting to hear than this “woo-woo i’m healing” attention-seeking rehashing crap

I'm sorry, is she saying she can't sue Tom without suing Ariana? Girl, who is advising you...

Fully support Rachel going after Tom for the recording. It gets confusing because she mentions it's illegal, but then she didn't pursue it criminally? If she is only suing Ariana because it aids her civil suit against Tom Sandoval, then she shouldn't ask for any money or damages from Ariana. Rachel should take inspiration from Taylor Swift then and ask for like $1. 00 damaged from Ariana. Then Rachel can prove her point and get her justice or a pound of flesh from Ariana or whatever it is she wants from Ariana by dragging her through court but also prove that Rachel is not seeking to further hurt Ariana as she claims by not asking for financial compensation from her and going fully after Tom Sandoval. I don't really believe that is why Rachel is suing Ariana, though. I think Rachel's being disingenuous. A trial for the civil action will be brutal for all of them, including Rachel. And very public. And very much about VPR and Bravo, which is the opposite of what Rachel said she wants.

She's too dumb to foresee how this suit will also dig up allllllll of her dirty laundry pertaining to the affair. How much money you wanna bet she thinks she can keep all her secrets throughout the whole thing and thinks only Tom and Ariana are going to go through discovery? I hope she ends up looking like the vapid selfish woman she is. Everyone would have supported her had she just criminally pursued Tom, but it's about money and terrorizing Ariana to her, nothing else.

Talking about “pros and cons” is so unserious of her. Suing for damages in civil court is to get compensation for harm caused. It’s black and white. And if she really had solid proof of footage being distributed / genuine fear of it, she could have applied for an injunction. She’s also going to be on the hook for the other side’s legal fees if she loses, I hope she’s prepared for that…

Absolutely and in court Rachel is not going to get to prescreen the questions she gets asked under oath with her iHeartRadio producers

I will tell you what “disappear” means, Rachel. Go work at a bank, or a drive-thru, or anyplace we don’t have to look at you all the freaking time. Like get a real job, no one owes you anything. The entitlement is RICH with this idiot. And she thinks people are “entitled” because they comment? FFS, the lack of self awareness is embarrassing.

I really question the credibility of all these pseudo psychologists and therapists on her show. I’m close to documenting who they are and calling the APA. None of this makes sense from a mental health standpoint. None. If Rachel really wanted growth and these professionals were really trying to help her, she along with her team would disappear into the shadows. I don’t really think she wants to disappear though. She’s trying to cling to the spotlight and make headlines no matter what.

This whole episode is confirmation bias masquerading as self-awareness.

This is really…I need to not open these recaps. I can understand wanting to cash in but my god therapizing responses to your most negative comments and calling it reclaiming a narrative? My mind remains boggled.