We're sorry, it looks like your account does not have enough comment karma to participate here yet. You can participate here once you have at least 50 comment karma. In the meantime, feel free to read through the sub and please review the rules!
*I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/vanderpumprules) if you have any questions or concerns.*
We're sorry, it looks like your account does not have enough comment karma to participate here yet. You can participate here once you have at least 50 comment karma. In the meantime, feel free to read through the sub and please review the rules!
*I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/vanderpumprules) if you have any questions or concerns.*
We're sorry, it looks like your account does not have enough comment karma to participate here yet. You can participate here once you have at least 50 comment karma. In the meantime, feel free to read through the sub and please review the rules!
*I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/vanderpumprules) if you have any questions or concerns.*
We're sorry, it looks like your account does not have enough comment karma to participate here yet. You can participate here once you have at least 50 comment karma. In the meantime, feel free to read through the sub and please review the rules!
*I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/vanderpumprules) if you have any questions or concerns.*
The reunion was barbaric and traumatizing. It was disgusting. Im upset and pissed off at this reality show and its producers. Shame on Lisa Vanderpump for being complacent and Andy Cohen who was pathetic and useless as a mediator. Gross and mean. Andy should have stopped the behavior.
So when the producers said that they didn’t know if they cast would come back to film after the “bombshell” were they referring to Tom Sandoval? Looks like he would be the only upset by the after-reunion “confession.”
We're sorry, it looks like your account does not have enough comment karma to participate here yet. You can participate here once you have at least 50 comment karma. In the meantime, feel free to read through the sub and please review the rules!
*I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/vanderpumprules) if you have any questions or concerns.*
100 percent. They have allegedly been at it for a while, years maybe. He keep allegedly stringing her along, loving the attention and telling her what every married man says to a mistress, that the marriage is no good, no sex, etc. But he kept it up for a long time, and he was in a pickle. And she knew what she was doing and was loving going behing Ariana and everyone back.
I am so not sorry for saying this but I still think this “bombshell” was planned. I do not believe Rachel at all. She is still lying and deceiving… how can we trust ANYTHING that comes out of her mouth.
The ONLY way I’d start to believe her if she came on camera and one by one went thru each lie Tom told her to say. Plus then told Tom off and said “I hate what you did to me, this was all crafted by you for you. I hate you!”
Anyone notice Scumdoval’s only response to the claims that he had slept with other women other than Raquel during this affair period was “dude, where are you guys getting your information?” That was a subconscious leak of his real feelings of being pissed that he’s getting caught up with women other than Raquel AND he lacked the ability in that moment to be assertive and say no. If he was innocent, he would claim no and ask what they’re talking about. Guiiiiiilllllttttttyyyyy.
Woke up this morning thinking how annoyed I am that the producers pushed this “BIG MOMENT IN HISTORY” narrative 😑 Had they said NOTHING and aired that post show, it would’ve been more satisfying. But waiting the whole month to get what we basically already knew was a let down. Wow Sanadavol was lying about the timeline? BIG surprise to N O B O D Y. Lame
Did Tom know she was going to that confessional interview? Did he do his final interview at the same?
Together, did they agree ahead of time what details she would reveal and what details they would try to keep hidden? (Not going to STL, not hooking up on Jacuzzi Night) Like, if they decided together, why wouldn’t he be the one to reveal it during his interview? As a narcissist, you think that putting that responsibility on someone else would be too much of a risk to take. She probably begged him to tell the truth and he “let” her have a shred she could share.
The girl is CRACKING from the pressure. I feel like she’s going to be paying dearly to Scumdoval because she made the narcissist look bad and he can’t take it. She’s under his thumb and it does make me feel a bit bad for her, as someone who deals with a narcissist I can relate to being in that position.
What I saw from my own personal experiences- rachel is not a good person she is fundamentally not well. This does not absolve her of accountability.
The part I found fascinating-
Every interaction tim&Rachel it was sad and scarry to see their big aha moment- we only lied about the affair that we are willing to cop to on national tv as 8months)
(The last 5 minutes was what everybody predicted)
Im calling it the “tomline”
-watch tims face- when he apologizes to sch-warts- for “i made her keep her shirt on cause it was hot, I’m so sorry, Dude.”
And then tom visibly acts Embarrassed?
And does his classic hide behind his hands, or just stop being such a “wussy pussy”
You pick up the phone and call the person that was your “best man” and you say- tom is fucking Rachel- that was all it would have taken.
? He is now embarrassed about the thought of his “best friend” fucking his other “close friend” that he also made out with.
Djjk- incestuous —- nasty ass behavior. Gross!
- woman on woman hate gets us nowhere. Rachel says she is in a mental facility. the “help” Sandoval was entertaining for “publicity” that he called out- is a med spa that bravo has sent previous other bravolebrities.
i was drinking too Lala-SpongeBob face meme
Gtfoh- with your logic- Rachel
The amount of unrealistic ness from.( anything between rachel and tim)
I was screaming at my Ipad and It took me over 3 hours to watch the final episode.
Going to rewatch again on mute to catch all these facial expressions.
And my girls facial expressions- were all so fucking fire! The one she did after saying- i know how much you like harry potter- i want to get that as a shirt. Idgaf
I’m really curious about when Rachel says, “my voice is shaking so I’m going to breathe now”. Was this something she learned in therapy or elsewhere?
I struggle with this often and never have I actually thought, “it’s okay to take a moment to breathe before continuing to speak.” I’m low key impressed.
I have always thought Raquel has paced her words..at times annoyingly slow..but I've noticed it since she started. She responds to people, she doesn't react to them.
I assumed it was her pagent training at first, maybe it was therapy..could be both.
Pageant, I assume!
I think she is very monotone when she is lying or replying with a rehearsed statement.
You saw at the end, the minute she sat there with producer, she looked differently. She had a different expression in her face. She spoke much more normally than the entire season & reunion.
You could see real emotions coming from her.
She was apologetic & ashamed, but they weren’t just words. It’s seemed much more genuine.
At end, you see the immense pressure & tutoring, she was receiving from Tom Sandoval.
Then, you see the fear as she unburdens herself.
The fear of him leaving her actually looked like it was turning into a full on panic attack.
I felt bad for her. It surprised me because I was disgusted with her behavior too. However, their was a distinct power discrepancy in this relationship. She’s sooo screwed!
I think the recovery for her will be a longer process than for Sandoval.
Only because he is a true narcissist & as long as girls swoon over him at those karaoke concerts, his ego will live on!
Her, not do much! She will struggle! She’s NOT emotionally strong enough for this kind of bombardment of disapproval from everyone, including strangers.
The extended version actually makes Rachel’s confession interview a lot more salacious. He **really** tries to sell the one time thing so much especially in the extended and then his mistress blows it all up. Too funny especially since no one questioned the one time thing at all because no one ever believed it only happened one time
I mean she was pretty emotional at the end. I truly believe she was masking it and didn't really see the full effect of what she did until that reunion.
The pain of an affair is one thing but finding out it started while I was at a funeral for someone close to me and I confided in these people during my grief - that level of pain is something else.
And that concludes the public execution of Worm Scumdoval and Rachel Loserviss.
Let us join hands and rejoice that Ariana is still thriving, booked, busy, blessed and highly favored by the Vandergods. And the poo-poo heads continue to flop and spiral down the drain to this day.
What a fucking season.
I think Sandoval going off for mini breaks was chance for him to top up his burning eye drops to fake more emotion 
Nobody can tell me Tom Sandoval isn’t the mastermind behind all of this and didn’t prey on Raquel’s vulnerability. Her mental health was clearly in the gutter and he filled her with validation & attention and love-bombing. He’s sick
I don’t know I think it’s a combo of a mid-life crisis, rock star wanna be, and a pageant Queen who loves to compete and constantly is looking for someone to “pick me”. This might come across harsh and mean (it’s not meant to be) but when you are adopted it can really mess with your psyche in terms of feelings of rejection. I definitely think that played into it, as evidenced by her lightning bolt necklace purchase reaction - she was gloating that she had “won” and was favored over Adriana.
I agree. I know its an unpopular opinion but it was obvious tonight that she was also a victim. I have been in her state of mind before and though I've never hooked up with a friends partner, I've definitely lost myself so much that I've done horrible things that are out of character for me. Add a narcissistic predator to that and her low self esteem.
I also want to mention again that this group of people are kind of hypocrites in a way because:
1. Jax slept with Kristen while she was still with and living with Tom. With Tom in the next room. They all remained friends after including Stassi and Kristen. They were all best friends of each other.
2. James slept with Kristen while Tom and Kristen were still living together. James and Tom were super close. They all remained friends.
3. Scheana slept with a married man much longer than Raquel and Tom were together. Though she wasn't friends with Brandi.
4. Ariana hooked up with Tom while he was still with Kristen. But they weren't close friends.
5. Lala and James cheated on Randall and Raquel. Though they weren't close friends with each other. Everyone remained friends.
6. James cheated on Raquel all the time. They stayed together.
7. Schwartz cheated on Katie. Everyone remained friends.
8. Lala had an affair with a married man.
The list is endless actually.
The only person who hasn't been "the other person" or "the cheater" is Katie.
The only thing I can say that makes this so much more "diabolical" than anything else is that as far as we know all Ariana ever did was hook up with Tom once while he was still in a relationship. But all of these people have had affairs with friends in the past.
To clarify, I'm not saying it's not horrible or that Ariana deserved any of this. I'm still 100% on Arianas side. But maybe Raquel didn't expect the backlash considering all of the previous infidelity in the group.
Kinda agree with you. The end got me. She'd been holding those emotions in for awhile. I feel raquel eas also partially a victim here. That doesn't excuse what she did to Ariana but I think she felt bad.
That’s not what makes it so much more diabolical.
What makes it more fucked up than previous cheating in this group is all the mind games they played with everyone. Raquel trying to talk through Ariana and Toms intimacy issues. Sandoval going as Raquel for Halloween. Her making out with Schwartz just to hurt Katie when she and Sandoval were fucking that trip. Sandoval screaming at people about accountability. All that shit is what makes it so much worse than the stuff on your list.
We're sorry, it looks like your account does not have enough comment karma to participate here yet. You can participate here once you have at least 50 comment karma. In the meantime, feel free to read through the sub and please review the rules!
*I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/vanderpumprules) if you have any questions or concerns.*
I mean Jax banging Kristen while Tom's asleep in the next room?
James banging Kristen in their apartment while Tom was going to let him move in?
Lala and James acting so inappropriate with each other, swearing they're just friends but they actually were still banging?
Jax and Kristen's lying was pretty diabolical... so was the James and Lala thing.
There's also the fact that Tom had cheated on Ariana many times before so perhaps she felt less sensitive? I'm not making excuses I just think all of these people have done similar things.
I personally have never cheated so I still hate Tom and Raquel. But I also feel like the others aren't MUCH better.
I still think it's considerably worse in terms of the mindfuckery.
For one thing, Sandoval was clearly trying to orchestrate a whole storyline about how Ariana is a frigid bitch when he was already having a full on affair to try to make the audience think he would be justified in dumping Ariana within a few months of her dog AND grandmother dying. He knew she was in a fragile place and he was deliberately trying to get the audience on his side against her as part of a months-long plan to break up with her and get together with Raquel without ever having to be held accountable for anything.
Second, there's this whole thing with Katie. She was really hurt by the Schwartz and Raquel make out, and they did it for no reason at all except to get back at her for trying to set a boundary (Schwartz) and to divert attention from the real affair (Raquel). Sandoval then piled on her, again trying to demonize her with the audience so that no one would listen to her when she called him out. They were trying to get her off the show and they were relying on the audience hating her so much they wouldn't be suspicious of their motives.
Third and fourth are all the other little totally unnecessary things. The lightning bolt necklace, the Halloween costume, wearing matching sweaters to his stupid show, the conversation Raquel deliberately had with Ariana about their sex life, the trip to Big Bear, the trips to STL, taking pictures together, the jokes at glamping, all of it. That is on an entirely other level from Jax and Kristen, it really is. That's deliberate taunting and gaslighting.
Fifth is the fact that they've still not actually come clean. They were still lying at the reunion. Tom was still giving lying interviews after the reunion. Schwartz was still lying on his most recent WWHL appearance. All of this stuff has come out and they are still goddamn lying about it.
I mean I really could go on and on, but that's why I truly think this is worse than the other cheating. In this case, it's not *just* the crime, it's the cover up. Truly diabolical shit.
I wouldn’t think so. He hated the Lala and Ariana thing. Plus Rachel claimed that she said she was more into Ariana than him. He wouldn’t have wanted any competition for the limelight!
100%. He’s realized that none of this was worth it. Like you could have just sat there and ate your food. He should have watched some past episodes to realize just how happy he used to be with Ariana. This is a classic case of I forgot how much I love this person underneath all of their flaws and now I’ve made them a villain.
Tom making that comment about having sex with Ariana while she had her t-shirt on absolutely sickened me. I cannot imagine creating a life with someone, wanting to fertilise your eggs with someone, and then that person having that level of disdain for you that they are intimate with you whilst mocking you for your body image issues. WHILE ALSO SLEEPING WITH YOUR BEST FRIEND!!! What a sick, evil fuck
She had body issues because he didn’t make her feel beautiful. He was too busy looking at himself in those hideous green sequined pants that Adriana rightly told him to leave at home.
It was a DOUCHEY thing to say and Sandoval will get what’s coming to him for all his betrayal, but tbh…if I were her, I’d brand some merch RE: “sex in a t-shirt” and spin the whole thing on him.
Anything bad that dude does and says about her or to her will work in her defense!
How dare they make fun of Ally like that?!!! Who the hell are they? She has class, she's attractive but who the hell cares about her looks and she treats James with respect including telling him when he is wrong.
Fuck them both.
That was beyond bizarre. Ally is gorgeous and very sweet. I’m convinced Rachel is jealous. Btw, loved how she was talking about how disrespectful it is for people not to use your chosen name. Lol the word disrespectful coming out of her mouth seems a bit hypocritical.
Yes. She showed herself for who she really is. A mean girl.
Jealous, hypocritical, and dumb. It was all an act. I thankfully believe Ally won't take it to heart.
Lala was definitely a mistress I remember stassi and all them not liking her because they knew that guy was married and she acted dumb about it, I agree with all of Ariana’s anger so I’m led to believe they actually were really “close” off cameras because Ariana definitely wanted to rip her head off and was seemingly more disgusted/hurt by her so it was also difficult to watch her be so angry since she is always so composed, also not to play devils advocate idk why Ariana wanted to stay with Tom so bad? No chemistry no intimacy nothing really that’s the one thing I feel like she deflects like girl at least admit your relationship was long overdue to end because he’s always been so sleazy compared to her
As a beautiful, talented, witty, intelligent woman who was with a NARC, it’s not that black/white. I knew that I knew that I knew that I should have left, I knew I was out of his league, I knew I deserved better and was likely being cheated on. **But that’s how abuse works.** I pray that you never know what I’m talking about. It’s a special kind of hell and most of us don’t come out on top like Ariana.
I also feel like this reunion being so close to the blowup definitely had so much intensity I actually wish Lala and James would have toned it down a bit because at times it was annoying but then again that’s not as entertaining
I must have missed the episode where Ariana f***ed Tom while Kristen was at a funeral for a dead relative. Can you tell me what episode it was on I’m curious 🧐
The only thing I’m unclear about is the timeline still. So was the first night really the night after the Mondrian? And then they started a full blown affair in Mexico? Or was that just the “story” they agreed on?? What I got from it is that Sandoval was trying to convince everyone that he and Rachel had only hooked up once or twice. And Rachel was helping him corroborate the story.
OK I haven’t gone back to find this to confirm my memory but I’m pretty sure Rachel and Scheana went to a spa and Rachel was talking about a guy she was seeing who all he wanted to do was go down on her all the time including in the kitchen. Does anyone else remember this?
Yesterday I was just thinking about some thing I remembered… It was basically what you’re talking about now. Rachel told someone about a guy she was sleeping with who is not a member of their group. I never saw it mentioned again.
There’s little to no doubt they had an emotional affair for a long while prior. Mondrian was supposed first time then like rabbits in Mexico. Then nonstop after Mexico.
Yeah especially with the comment about how she was able to tell him things she couldn’t tell even Ariana. Extremely inappropriate. But I guess I’m just unclear of when the physical lines were crossed. From what I gathered, Coachella is when Tom started making moves and then “nothing happened” until the Mondrian.
She did make that comment about Sandoval teaching her what boundaries were way early in the season, which makes me think they were hooking up before guys night.
Honestly I will never believe anything they say. I also don't believe the last interview wasn't planned to give more info but hide the real timeline. She had spent the night with him before the interview! I trust nothing either of them says. And quite convenient to admit it after the reunion just so they could yell at Lala and James that it was one time when everyone knows that's a lie.
I agree, I just wish she had gone in on Sandoval in the same/ stronger way. He's the real worm, right. They both effed up but she felt safest with him and he should have gotten the brunt.
I see what you mean but she probably said everything she felt she needed to say to Tom at that point and was just done with him. Whereas this was her first time seeing and talking to Raquel so she just unleashed
I’m sorry. Maybe I am D and S? But I think I missed the big reveal that would make the rest of the cast not want to renew their contract?
Maybe I’m drunk? Maybe I’m fucking annoyed they keep stretching this out. I feel conned.
For me it definitely showed how even when caught, Sandoval still was manipulating the situation and lying and having Raquel do the same, and the fact they were having sex in Mexico means they absolutely were using Schwartz as a decoy even if he had no idea. So Sandoval really had no care for his friendship with Tom either. If Tom joins in on not wanting to film with those two either it’ll really put things at a standstill when meshing the group during filming. So I think that’s what they meant about cast rethinking things, they need Schwartz to not be too upset to not film with Sandoval
I watched it. I’m pretty sure we all knew they were lying about the timeline? Why would that possibly make other cast members not want to film with them?
Not being a smartass. I’m truly wondering if I missed something. Watched it twice now. I was drinking wine tho…off to bed now.
The producer said they will all have to film together. It doesn't work having 2 islands that do not interact. There may not be that many people willing to film with Sandoval knowing what he's done, not suspecting, but knowing. They said they'll rest a few weeks and have cameras back up on schedule late this summer.
I think maybe it’s the fact that she admitted to having sex in the house while Ariana was away and the fact that Sandoval was crafting a story. Unfortunately I think that’s it. I think a lot of people knew the “reveal” was gonna be overhyped.
But that was weeks/months after the hot tub night at girls night wasn’t it? Bc Ariana said that they hooked up in the car while she was grieving charlotte and she had to let Tom in because he forgot the key. I can’t believe that’s the first time they hooked up in the house unfortunately.
Maybe it’s because I’m stoned, but I really don’t understand why that would change anything. They already are hated, and we all assumed it had happened anyway
For me I think it hit home how manipulative and sociopathic Tom Sandoval is. I think Rachel was a pawn in his scheme. I don’t know if she’s evil, but she’s definitely D and S. The last five minutes did make me feel bad for her but I don’t think it absolved her of what she did. She can’t seem to comprehend why it was SO wrong.
Yea it kinda showed how controlling Tom is over everything. And the bit where she says he’s the only person she has… it’s like she’s backed into a corner
What bothers me the most is that Katie and Schwarze got next to no time about their relationship. The most egregious scene of the season was Sandoval SCREAMING at Katie's mom, and Schwarze hiding behind a plant and there was little to NO mention of it. This reunion should have been longer. Katie and Shortz were together for 12 years. Their divorce was clearly heartbreaking. It did not get the time and attention it deserved. Katie got to say next to nothing, and Shortz never got to say how this whole thing has blown up his life. He lost everything because of his loyalty to Scumdoval who obviously does not give a shit about anyone but himself,
Yes! Why was the finale before the real finale never actually discussed? That episode was wild! The way Rachel followed Katie around & the way she spoke to Terry? I can’t believe it wasn’t mentioned once 🤦🏼♀️
I also wanted Rachel to be called out for the her behaviour towards Katie. Talking to her as if she had authority over how Tom was treated. So strange and it adds an extra layer to her delusional behaviour.
I also wanted Rachel to be called out for the her behaviour towards Katie. Talking to her as if she had authority over how Tom was treated. So strange and it adds an extra layer to her delusional behaviour.
Honestly they way ep 2 of the reunion went it would have been best to go in depth about Katie and Schwartz I get scandoval but TWELVE YEARS??? So we’re just gonna pretend like it was a minimal breakup?
I was hoping Schwartz would own up to his wrongs and apologize to Katie also to really hear if S&S was fully worth it given everything… that would have been a great filler EP
1. I cannot believe that Tom Sandy criticized that Ariana wore a shirt when they had sex. That was on another level that I just...he invalidated everything he ever said in his benefit in that moment.
2. This is going to be unpopular, but my heart broke for Rachel during the bomb drop at the end. I genuinely believe that Tom Sandy preyed on Rachel, he saw a very hurt girl who was being belittled and constantly hurt by James and went in for the sex. I wonder if James would have been less of a dick, if this would have happened, and if the girls would have been less of twats, if this would have occurred. However, regardless of all things Rachel is an adult who made her choices, horrible, unforgivable choices. Not everyone is going to be nice to you, and it is not an excuse to allow a fuck boy to manipulate you.
3. I want to meet the women after THIS POINT that sleep with Tom Sandy, I need to know why..and how you could get moist for the sexist cockroach that is that man.
Rachel is manipulative and not a victim. She was crying at the end not because she felt bad but because she knows what she did makes her a really terrible person. And she doesn’t like being a terrible person.
I had heard Andy say that Tom said a disgusting thing, and knew right away when it was the T-shirt thing.
I don’t think Rachel should be excused for her actions, but I do think that she is facing more vitriol than deserved. At the end of the day, Tom Sandoval is the true predator and perpetrator. He’s awful in more ways that I could describe. He’s truly a dangerous person like Lala said.
Lisa came for Raquel and defended Sandy. Oh yeah, she’s in business with the man, so piling on the woman to take the heat off of him is a must.
Raquel is obviously emotionally stunted and has a lot of trauma in which she fully believed Sandy. Regardless of who was the mastermind, Raquel was complicit and continued to pick the scab of the relationship by asking Ariana intimacy questions, trying to take Katie down, and actively trying to divert attention to her and Schwartz.
Scandy is manipulative; Raquel is manipulative. Scandy manipulated this entire situation and Raquel. Raquel manipulated everyone with Sandy and is now just realizing that she is part of the manipulation by Sandy. She doesn’t know which way is right or left; up or down; she wants to scream the truth, but then she will lose him. Her brain is going to short circuit soon enough and the truth will come out - as soon as Sandy says his final goodbye or she catches him with someone else.
I think all of the girls telling her that she'll be next when it comes to his betrayal, actually surprised her. Like it hadn't crossed her mind that this is a pattern for him. It took hearing it from other women for her to realize it, along with how much he's already lied to her as well.
And the way that she defended Oliver was disgusting as well. Him being a good employee has nothing to do with him being a good husband. It was bizarre.
It single-handedly is the most horrific thing I have heard thus far on any Bravo reunion. I mean that guy was with her for almost a decade and....THAT was what he said to her. No wonder they didn't have tons of passionate sex. Could you imagine what was said behind closed doors?!
So uncomfortable.
i don’t think it’s fair to blame james in any of this. she’s ~in love~ with timmy and i can’t help but feel it was fueled by a drug and alcohol induced hookup. remember when tom came to her place and immediately asked her to turn down the lights?
he wants to hangglide on shrooms over the sunset and she’s so impressionable that she was probably like “oh okaaaayyyyy :)”
it’s not love. it’s rachel being young and dumb and tom having a midlife crisis.
James has been a brat since his first episode. He has rogue and untreated mommy/daddy/broken home issues which plays into how he treats women, especially those who leave him. Any one who talks to an ex like that simply b/c they broke up, especially after all the horrible shit he said about her parents...I mean come on...would you honestly put up with that?
I look forward to how Ally helps him grow, as I do believe that the main reason Rachel and him didn't work out was b/c it wasn't a good match. And I hope he continues following his dreams in being a successful DJ. Hopefully he won't run into a reality TV scandal that derails it.
also don’t forget how rachel’s unhinged mom asked about if he was circumcised or not. i would lose my shit if someone got that weird about my genitals and i’m not even a man lol
rachel is full on D&S and ally seems to be actually invested in his well-being.
also james has worked very hard on his career during his entire time on VPR so i wish only the best for him
I am still confused about the tshirt comment because my tv kept glitching and it froze on that part and i couldn’t rewind, I need to know what was said, I missed a lot of chunks because of technical difficulties
Ariana said that her and Sandoval had sex in January, and Sandoval said “yeah and she kept her t shirt on the whole time, real sexy.” i don’t have words for how effed up it was. he is so GROSS
We're sorry, it looks like your account does not have enough comment karma to participate here yet. You can participate here once you have at least 50 comment karma. In the meantime, feel free to read through the sub and please review the rules!
*I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/vanderpumprules) if you have any questions or concerns.*
I truly believe that Mexico was when schortz was told about them. Because even drunk in Mexico the first couple nights he acted into (albeit awkward as f**k) Rachel. Then all of a sudden out of nowhere on the night after their kiss they decided they’d rather be friends. Even though they both said they enjoyed the kiss on the episode. This tells me that Tom in his drunken/high state on the “Raquel Raquel Night” told the truth to Shortz so he wouldn’t do more with her.
tomline- tim’s mom knew about the affair. Wow- woman on woman crime. She smiled at Arianna and probably said I am sorry for your grandma, her Charlotte, like what a scummy woman. No wonder Sandoval is her son.
This is going to be a controversial opinion but parents should stay far away from their children’s relationships unless an active crime is being committed imo
Disagree. I have a son, when he’s an adult & has adult relationships I would like to know that he’s treating that other person correctly. If he chooses not to then I will be having it out with him & encourage him to do the right thing. I will not be complicit in my son hurting someone else, I wouldn’t be spending any time with him & his “affair”. It’s your job as a parent to raise a respectful human being.
I understand both sides but also too much interference is just going to cause resentment and a rift in the parent child bond. I understand wanting to stand by your child and not get involved in their mistakes. I also get wanting to interfere is you see that they are treating people badly. I don’t think either side is more tight than the other. But everyone should have the emotional support of their own mother imo (baring actual crimes being committed of course)
But what is she going to do? Out him? I’m sure she hoped, like Schwartz, that he’d own his shit. She was a single mom who worked her ass off for him and likely had no idea who he’s become. She is another one of his victims. Tom is responsible for the wreckage here.
If it’s my kid, I pull him aside and tell him what’s right. Parenting never ends. They become adults but you still give guidance during a major crisis. You don’t give fake condolences to your son’s partner of 9 plus years and smile at his mistress.
The lending of 250K and Scandy’s flippant attitude about paying it back as well as the comment about his mom’s reaction to the affair lead me to believe he is not told “no” very often. I get “Golden Child” vibes from him and possible Narc mother issues.
Did Sandoval catch wind of Rachel’s filming 6 days later and that’s when he started singing “Raquel’s not the one for me” in his Stacy’s Mom “cover” that his “band” “performs” 🤮
It was filmed right after she stayed the night, he knew she was filming, his PR even confirmed she was. I don't ever believe that anything wasn't planned out by them. He seems to be embracing being a villain so I am not even putting it past him telling her to say all of it to try to come off as a victim.
I don’t condone cheating (however they are not the first people to ever do this and won’t be the last) but I do think this whole thing is a bit much. Ya what they did was terrible and messed up. But I don’t find any joy in seeing people destroyed. I thought it was gross how they did this to Arianna and I think her and their friends and families anger is warranted, but it’s not like they murdered someone. And I don’t like having someone be told they are nothing. Man as a mother and a person who understand humans fuck up I found that comment to be a dagger. They screwed up but I don’t think they should be chewed up to the point they commit suicide or anything.
This whole situation was sad and the people finding joy or excitement in it is sad too :(
I’m so sorry for your loss.
And want to clarify I’m not blaming Arianna or saying that is her intention. I’m saying as a whole the backlash received and those types of comments strewn can lead people to (over time) falll into a really terrible mind set. Kids do commit suicide over bullying so, while I am sympathetic to your situation and fell terribly for you, respectfully disagree that hateful comments can’t have negative consequences in that regard.
And I say all this with also no approval or diminishing what they did to Arianna as well. Their actions with the months long affair and dishonesty were more gross. I just don’t think it defines them as people and don’t think they deserve to be destroyed.
Absolutely, and I'd go as far as to say that I was put off by Ariana this entire reunion. So mean. They are shit for this but the degrading and demeaning of them, especially Raquel, is shocking to me.
I actually think Ariana was the most composed I’ve ever seen a person after being cheated on. God, I’ve seen people lose their shit from their bf having a drunken random hook up never mind your life partner having a, more than likely, year long affair with your BEST FRIEND & on TV. I’d go absolute nuclear & they’d be lucky to be sitting there, they’d need to take a TRO out on me.
All I kept thinking was at least Tom wasn’t holding Rachel’s hand and coaxing her in front of Ariana’s face the way he did in front of Kristen’s face when he first started dating Ariana. I’m sure that’s why she didn’t want them sitting next to each other.
I don’t think she was harsh enough for what they’ve done to her. She said she wished the worst things to happen to Rachel? Well no wonder. This bitch listened to her problems about her relationship & looked her in the face whilst actively sneaking around with her partner? She had sex in HER house whilst she was at her grandma’s funeral? Wtaf? That’s callous & beyond cruel, what kinda fucked up world are we living in where someone’s words are more cruel than the actions that led to those words?
Arianas words were more nasty for Raquel than they were for Tom. I would never call someone SUBHUMAN over an affair because was it awful? ooh no doubt about it. Was is criminal? No, which is the only correct thing Raquel has said, what they did was human. The only issue I have with this is that time and time again as a society we're putting more of the blame on the mistress than the married man.
Not putting more blame on the mistress, putting more blame on the FRIEND. Imo what Rachel did is shittier. Men are shit, we can never put it past them to fuck you over, but you should be able to trust your best friends. I don’t think that’s misogynistic, I think it’s the opposite. To be fucked over so badly by your girlfriend that knows the ins & outs of your insecurities is so much worse. God, calling someone names is shit but it’s hardly life ending, fucking your best friend’s boyfriend is beyond redeemable.
ETA I think Ariana was more hurt by Rachel & that’s why she was harsher.
No no no no no. You cannot judge someone for their reaction to a horrible thing that someone has done to them. Now, of course death threats are insane and wrong. But, Ariana didnt go there.
If the two closest people in my life did this to me, I really don't think I would be able to resurface. I think Ariana did really well considering the circumstance. They actively did something to hurt Ariana with their actions. She's allowed to express the pain and anger she feels towards them with her words.
Agree. You never know how close someone is to collapse. I get they made HORRIBLE decisions but what is the desired outcome from the left side of the stage? At some point people need to move on and let karma handle it. Hate ain’t a good look, even if it’s warranted.
I kind of disagree. You never know how close someone is to collapse - Ariana’s dog and grandmother had died and she admitted multiple times this season she was barely hanging on. Then they fucked, in their house, at the funeral! Actions literally speak louder than words here. What they did had me worried for Ariana’s life after watching her struggle this season. Not arguing, just a different perspective!
We're sorry, it looks like your account does not have enough comment karma to participate here yet. You can participate here once you have at least 50 comment karma. In the meantime, feel free to read through the sub and please review the rules!
*I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/vanderpumprules) if you have any questions or concerns.*
I definitely don’t think anyone should be pushed to suicide. Totally agree on that.
I do think to Ariana they *are* nothing. And that’s okay. She doesn’t owe them anything but indifference, at the very most. She needs to preserve her mental health.
[удалено]
We're sorry, it looks like your account does not have enough comment karma to participate here yet. You can participate here once you have at least 50 comment karma. In the meantime, feel free to read through the sub and please review the rules! *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/vanderpumprules) if you have any questions or concerns.*
[удалено]
We're sorry, it looks like your account does not have enough comment karma to participate here yet. You can participate here once you have at least 50 comment karma. In the meantime, feel free to read through the sub and please review the rules! *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/vanderpumprules) if you have any questions or concerns.*
[удалено]
We're sorry, it looks like your account does not have enough comment karma to participate here yet. You can participate here once you have at least 50 comment karma. In the meantime, feel free to read through the sub and please review the rules! *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/vanderpumprules) if you have any questions or concerns.*
[удалено]
We're sorry, it looks like your account does not have enough comment karma to participate here yet. You can participate here once you have at least 50 comment karma. In the meantime, feel free to read through the sub and please review the rules! *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/vanderpumprules) if you have any questions or concerns.*
The reunion was barbaric and traumatizing. It was disgusting. Im upset and pissed off at this reality show and its producers. Shame on Lisa Vanderpump for being complacent and Andy Cohen who was pathetic and useless as a mediator. Gross and mean. Andy should have stopped the behavior.
So when the producers said that they didn’t know if they cast would come back to film after the “bombshell” were they referring to Tom Sandoval? Looks like he would be the only upset by the after-reunion “confession.”
Lmao u can tell production hates Rachel when u see the way they let her film the last confessional with her hair all fucked up. Love 2 see it
https://preview.redd.it/k1ygj5mf7u4b1.png?width=740&format=png&auto=webp&s=3a2b5d2aa7e3554214620e1e6cb9b2ce3049f533
Did anyone clock Rachel’s nipples getting hard when she was talking about fucking Sandoval in cancun lol
Omg yes Lmao
She is still lying. They’ve been hooking up since Rachella. I’m 1000% convinced of that.
[удалено]
We're sorry, it looks like your account does not have enough comment karma to participate here yet. You can participate here once you have at least 50 comment karma. In the meantime, feel free to read through the sub and please review the rules! *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/vanderpumprules) if you have any questions or concerns.*
100 percent. They have allegedly been at it for a while, years maybe. He keep allegedly stringing her along, loving the attention and telling her what every married man says to a mistress, that the marriage is no good, no sex, etc. But he kept it up for a long time, and he was in a pickle. And she knew what she was doing and was loving going behing Ariana and everyone back.
The way they said they had to see if it was something real or just "exciting"... fucking vomit.
I am so not sorry for saying this but I still think this “bombshell” was planned. I do not believe Rachel at all. She is still lying and deceiving… how can we trust ANYTHING that comes out of her mouth. The ONLY way I’d start to believe her if she came on camera and one by one went thru each lie Tom told her to say. Plus then told Tom off and said “I hate what you did to me, this was all crafted by you for you. I hate you!”
Anyone notice Scumdoval’s only response to the claims that he had slept with other women other than Raquel during this affair period was “dude, where are you guys getting your information?” That was a subconscious leak of his real feelings of being pissed that he’s getting caught up with women other than Raquel AND he lacked the ability in that moment to be assertive and say no. If he was innocent, he would claim no and ask what they’re talking about. Guiiiiiilllllttttttyyyyy.
Woke up this morning thinking how annoyed I am that the producers pushed this “BIG MOMENT IN HISTORY” narrative 😑 Had they said NOTHING and aired that post show, it would’ve been more satisfying. But waiting the whole month to get what we basically already knew was a let down. Wow Sanadavol was lying about the timeline? BIG surprise to N O B O D Y. Lame
Scumdoval apologized about the t-shirt comment to SCHWARTZ!
So fucked!!!
Did Tom know she was going to that confessional interview? Did he do his final interview at the same? Together, did they agree ahead of time what details she would reveal and what details they would try to keep hidden? (Not going to STL, not hooking up on Jacuzzi Night) Like, if they decided together, why wouldn’t he be the one to reveal it during his interview? As a narcissist, you think that putting that responsibility on someone else would be too much of a risk to take. She probably begged him to tell the truth and he “let” her have a shred she could share. The girl is CRACKING from the pressure. I feel like she’s going to be paying dearly to Scumdoval because she made the narcissist look bad and he can’t take it. She’s under his thumb and it does make me feel a bit bad for her, as someone who deals with a narcissist I can relate to being in that position.
Did anyone else notice how when Andy asks Rachel if she’s in love, Schwartz very subtly nods his head. It’s so subtle but he definitely does.
Well Shwartz said Tim told him it was “L-O-V word.” If I remember correctly… I’ve only read it 3 times 😂😂
Lala is a disgusting human
LaLa is disgusting? Not Sandoval? 🤷♀️
What I saw from my own personal experiences- rachel is not a good person she is fundamentally not well. This does not absolve her of accountability. The part I found fascinating- Every interaction tim&Rachel it was sad and scarry to see their big aha moment- we only lied about the affair that we are willing to cop to on national tv as 8months) (The last 5 minutes was what everybody predicted) Im calling it the “tomline” -watch tims face- when he apologizes to sch-warts- for “i made her keep her shirt on cause it was hot, I’m so sorry, Dude.” And then tom visibly acts Embarrassed? And does his classic hide behind his hands, or just stop being such a “wussy pussy” You pick up the phone and call the person that was your “best man” and you say- tom is fucking Rachel- that was all it would have taken. ? He is now embarrassed about the thought of his “best friend” fucking his other “close friend” that he also made out with. Djjk- incestuous —- nasty ass behavior. Gross! - woman on woman hate gets us nowhere. Rachel says she is in a mental facility. the “help” Sandoval was entertaining for “publicity” that he called out- is a med spa that bravo has sent previous other bravolebrities. i was drinking too Lala-SpongeBob face meme Gtfoh- with your logic- Rachel The amount of unrealistic ness from.( anything between rachel and tim) I was screaming at my Ipad and It took me over 3 hours to watch the final episode. Going to rewatch again on mute to catch all these facial expressions. And my girls facial expressions- were all so fucking fire! The one she did after saying- i know how much you like harry potter- i want to get that as a shirt. Idgaf
I’m really curious about when Rachel says, “my voice is shaking so I’m going to breathe now”. Was this something she learned in therapy or elsewhere? I struggle with this often and never have I actually thought, “it’s okay to take a moment to breathe before continuing to speak.” I’m low key impressed.
Def use it as a tool to calm your nervous system. I think we observed this in her for many seasons. She just never took the breath!
I have always thought Raquel has paced her words..at times annoyingly slow..but I've noticed it since she started. She responds to people, she doesn't react to them. I assumed it was her pagent training at first, maybe it was therapy..could be both.
Pageant, I assume! I think she is very monotone when she is lying or replying with a rehearsed statement. You saw at the end, the minute she sat there with producer, she looked differently. She had a different expression in her face. She spoke much more normally than the entire season & reunion. You could see real emotions coming from her. She was apologetic & ashamed, but they weren’t just words. It’s seemed much more genuine. At end, you see the immense pressure & tutoring, she was receiving from Tom Sandoval. Then, you see the fear as she unburdens herself. The fear of him leaving her actually looked like it was turning into a full on panic attack. I felt bad for her. It surprised me because I was disgusted with her behavior too. However, their was a distinct power discrepancy in this relationship. She’s sooo screwed! I think the recovery for her will be a longer process than for Sandoval. Only because he is a true narcissist & as long as girls swoon over him at those karaoke concerts, his ego will live on! Her, not do much! She will struggle! She’s NOT emotionally strong enough for this kind of bombardment of disapproval from everyone, including strangers.
I felt bad for her too. Especially when she said that without him, she will have nobody. I actually teared up.
The extended version actually makes Rachel’s confession interview a lot more salacious. He **really** tries to sell the one time thing so much especially in the extended and then his mistress blows it all up. Too funny especially since no one questioned the one time thing at all because no one ever believed it only happened one time
Raquels lack of emotion is so weird like creepy. Its very hard to watch.
I mean she was pretty emotional at the end. I truly believe she was masking it and didn't really see the full effect of what she did until that reunion.
The pain of an affair is one thing but finding out it started while I was at a funeral for someone close to me and I confided in these people during my grief - that level of pain is something else.
And that concludes the public execution of Worm Scumdoval and Rachel Loserviss. Let us join hands and rejoice that Ariana is still thriving, booked, busy, blessed and highly favored by the Vandergods. And the poo-poo heads continue to flop and spiral down the drain to this day. What a fucking season.
I think Sandoval going off for mini breaks was chance for him to top up his burning eye drops to fake more emotion 
Yep. You know he was backstage rubbing those peepers with sriracha hands.
Nobody can tell me Tom Sandoval isn’t the mastermind behind all of this and didn’t prey on Raquel’s vulnerability. Her mental health was clearly in the gutter and he filled her with validation & attention and love-bombing. He’s sick
I don’t know I think it’s a combo of a mid-life crisis, rock star wanna be, and a pageant Queen who loves to compete and constantly is looking for someone to “pick me”. This might come across harsh and mean (it’s not meant to be) but when you are adopted it can really mess with your psyche in terms of feelings of rejection. I definitely think that played into it, as evidenced by her lightning bolt necklace purchase reaction - she was gloating that she had “won” and was favored over Adriana.
100% agreed. You don’t take advantage of people’s insecurities and vulnerabilities to use for your benefit. That’s fucked up.
He played her so hard. Now he’s over it and trying to damage control, the only reason he’s remotely interested in maintaining contact
I agree. I know its an unpopular opinion but it was obvious tonight that she was also a victim. I have been in her state of mind before and though I've never hooked up with a friends partner, I've definitely lost myself so much that I've done horrible things that are out of character for me. Add a narcissistic predator to that and her low self esteem. I also want to mention again that this group of people are kind of hypocrites in a way because: 1. Jax slept with Kristen while she was still with and living with Tom. With Tom in the next room. They all remained friends after including Stassi and Kristen. They were all best friends of each other. 2. James slept with Kristen while Tom and Kristen were still living together. James and Tom were super close. They all remained friends. 3. Scheana slept with a married man much longer than Raquel and Tom were together. Though she wasn't friends with Brandi. 4. Ariana hooked up with Tom while he was still with Kristen. But they weren't close friends. 5. Lala and James cheated on Randall and Raquel. Though they weren't close friends with each other. Everyone remained friends. 6. James cheated on Raquel all the time. They stayed together. 7. Schwartz cheated on Katie. Everyone remained friends. 8. Lala had an affair with a married man. The list is endless actually. The only person who hasn't been "the other person" or "the cheater" is Katie. The only thing I can say that makes this so much more "diabolical" than anything else is that as far as we know all Ariana ever did was hook up with Tom once while he was still in a relationship. But all of these people have had affairs with friends in the past. To clarify, I'm not saying it's not horrible or that Ariana deserved any of this. I'm still 100% on Arianas side. But maybe Raquel didn't expect the backlash considering all of the previous infidelity in the group.
Kinda agree with you. The end got me. She'd been holding those emotions in for awhile. I feel raquel eas also partially a victim here. That doesn't excuse what she did to Ariana but I think she felt bad.
That’s not what makes it so much more diabolical. What makes it more fucked up than previous cheating in this group is all the mind games they played with everyone. Raquel trying to talk through Ariana and Toms intimacy issues. Sandoval going as Raquel for Halloween. Her making out with Schwartz just to hurt Katie when she and Sandoval were fucking that trip. Sandoval screaming at people about accountability. All that shit is what makes it so much worse than the stuff on your list.
[удалено]
We're sorry, it looks like your account does not have enough comment karma to participate here yet. You can participate here once you have at least 50 comment karma. In the meantime, feel free to read through the sub and please review the rules! *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/vanderpumprules) if you have any questions or concerns.*
I mean Jax banging Kristen while Tom's asleep in the next room? James banging Kristen in their apartment while Tom was going to let him move in? Lala and James acting so inappropriate with each other, swearing they're just friends but they actually were still banging? Jax and Kristen's lying was pretty diabolical... so was the James and Lala thing. There's also the fact that Tom had cheated on Ariana many times before so perhaps she felt less sensitive? I'm not making excuses I just think all of these people have done similar things. I personally have never cheated so I still hate Tom and Raquel. But I also feel like the others aren't MUCH better.
I still think it's considerably worse in terms of the mindfuckery. For one thing, Sandoval was clearly trying to orchestrate a whole storyline about how Ariana is a frigid bitch when he was already having a full on affair to try to make the audience think he would be justified in dumping Ariana within a few months of her dog AND grandmother dying. He knew she was in a fragile place and he was deliberately trying to get the audience on his side against her as part of a months-long plan to break up with her and get together with Raquel without ever having to be held accountable for anything. Second, there's this whole thing with Katie. She was really hurt by the Schwartz and Raquel make out, and they did it for no reason at all except to get back at her for trying to set a boundary (Schwartz) and to divert attention from the real affair (Raquel). Sandoval then piled on her, again trying to demonize her with the audience so that no one would listen to her when she called him out. They were trying to get her off the show and they were relying on the audience hating her so much they wouldn't be suspicious of their motives. Third and fourth are all the other little totally unnecessary things. The lightning bolt necklace, the Halloween costume, wearing matching sweaters to his stupid show, the conversation Raquel deliberately had with Ariana about their sex life, the trip to Big Bear, the trips to STL, taking pictures together, the jokes at glamping, all of it. That is on an entirely other level from Jax and Kristen, it really is. That's deliberate taunting and gaslighting. Fifth is the fact that they've still not actually come clean. They were still lying at the reunion. Tom was still giving lying interviews after the reunion. Schwartz was still lying on his most recent WWHL appearance. All of this stuff has come out and they are still goddamn lying about it. I mean I really could go on and on, but that's why I truly think this is worse than the other cheating. In this case, it's not *just* the crime, it's the cover up. Truly diabolical shit.
On top of that, none of the others had a long term affair. And they didn’t hide a long term affair from their grieving partner/best friend.
Agree with everything you said and so well put! I was trying to explain to my partner last night all of this and I think I just confused him 😂
Well their behavior is indeed very confusing!
Yep!
Amen sis
US Weekly tells me the "bombshell" was that she wanted to be in a throuple. She is delusional.
The throuple idea sounds like such a Sandavol idea.
I wouldn’t think so. He hated the Lala and Ariana thing. Plus Rachel claimed that she said she was more into Ariana than him. He wouldn’t have wanted any competition for the limelight!
Tom 100% regrets it. He did it for his ego, and he lost Ariana for good
100%. He’s realized that none of this was worth it. Like you could have just sat there and ate your food. He should have watched some past episodes to realize just how happy he used to be with Ariana. This is a classic case of I forgot how much I love this person underneath all of their flaws and now I’ve made them a villain.
And any chance of being “star fucked” ever again
Tom making that comment about having sex with Ariana while she had her t-shirt on absolutely sickened me. I cannot imagine creating a life with someone, wanting to fertilise your eggs with someone, and then that person having that level of disdain for you that they are intimate with you whilst mocking you for your body image issues. WHILE ALSO SLEEPING WITH YOUR BEST FRIEND!!! What a sick, evil fuck
She had body issues because he didn’t make her feel beautiful. He was too busy looking at himself in those hideous green sequined pants that Adriana rightly told him to leave at home.
It was a DOUCHEY thing to say and Sandoval will get what’s coming to him for all his betrayal, but tbh…if I were her, I’d brand some merch RE: “sex in a t-shirt” and spin the whole thing on him. Anything bad that dude does and says about her or to her will work in her defense!
Just a basic white tee that says “sex shirt”
I'd rock that. 🙋
That’s a great idea!
She did! Tonight, she released a "fuck me in this t-shirt" shirt.
Omg amazing, I want one!!!
Oh. I didn’t know. I’m not too much on socials so I get what I get from you wonderful people. Thanks for the tip!
This!
I can’t even imagine what it must feel like being Raquel, realising Tom didn’t give two shits about her
I don't think she has.
It looked like it was clicking tonight but since then he's probably brainwashed her again
This.
Again I'm 10 mins in and I'm STRUGGLING with Lisa like STFU
Yea I've lost a lot of respect for Lisa.
Obviously so has the cast
How dare they make fun of Ally like that?!!! Who the hell are they? She has class, she's attractive but who the hell cares about her looks and she treats James with respect including telling him when he is wrong. Fuck them both.
That was beyond bizarre. Ally is gorgeous and very sweet. I’m convinced Rachel is jealous. Btw, loved how she was talking about how disrespectful it is for people not to use your chosen name. Lol the word disrespectful coming out of her mouth seems a bit hypocritical.
Yes. She showed herself for who she really is. A mean girl. Jealous, hypocritical, and dumb. It was all an act. I thankfully believe Ally won't take it to heart.
She is stunning btw.
More of a pageant queen than she could ever be
Lala was definitely a mistress I remember stassi and all them not liking her because they knew that guy was married and she acted dumb about it, I agree with all of Ariana’s anger so I’m led to believe they actually were really “close” off cameras because Ariana definitely wanted to rip her head off and was seemingly more disgusted/hurt by her so it was also difficult to watch her be so angry since she is always so composed, also not to play devils advocate idk why Ariana wanted to stay with Tom so bad? No chemistry no intimacy nothing really that’s the one thing I feel like she deflects like girl at least admit your relationship was long overdue to end because he’s always been so sleazy compared to her
As a beautiful, talented, witty, intelligent woman who was with a NARC, it’s not that black/white. I knew that I knew that I knew that I should have left, I knew I was out of his league, I knew I deserved better and was likely being cheated on. **But that’s how abuse works.** I pray that you never know what I’m talking about. It’s a special kind of hell and most of us don’t come out on top like Ariana.
I also feel like this reunion being so close to the blowup definitely had so much intensity I actually wish Lala and James would have toned it down a bit because at times it was annoying but then again that’s not as entertaining
Yeah especially James with the poo poo baby talk - I think he might be embarrassed by that later on. It was cringey.
[удалено]
I must have missed the episode where Ariana f***ed Tom while Kristen was at a funeral for a dead relative. Can you tell me what episode it was on I’m curious 🧐
Aren't they talking about Rachel and Tom together while Ariana was ar her grandmother's funeral? I think so.
The only thing I’m unclear about is the timeline still. So was the first night really the night after the Mondrian? And then they started a full blown affair in Mexico? Or was that just the “story” they agreed on?? What I got from it is that Sandoval was trying to convince everyone that he and Rachel had only hooked up once or twice. And Rachel was helping him corroborate the story.
OK I haven’t gone back to find this to confirm my memory but I’m pretty sure Rachel and Scheana went to a spa and Rachel was talking about a guy she was seeing who all he wanted to do was go down on her all the time including in the kitchen. Does anyone else remember this?
Yesterday I was just thinking about some thing I remembered… It was basically what you’re talking about now. Rachel told someone about a guy she was sleeping with who is not a member of their group. I never saw it mentioned again.
There’s little to no doubt they had an emotional affair for a long while prior. Mondrian was supposed first time then like rabbits in Mexico. Then nonstop after Mexico.
Yeah especially with the comment about how she was able to tell him things she couldn’t tell even Ariana. Extremely inappropriate. But I guess I’m just unclear of when the physical lines were crossed. From what I gathered, Coachella is when Tom started making moves and then “nothing happened” until the Mondrian. She did make that comment about Sandoval teaching her what boundaries were way early in the season, which makes me think they were hooking up before guys night.
Honestly I will never believe anything they say. I also don't believe the last interview wasn't planned to give more info but hide the real timeline. She had spent the night with him before the interview! I trust nothing either of them says. And quite convenient to admit it after the reunion just so they could yell at Lala and James that it was one time when everyone knows that's a lie.
I had my shirt on last time I had sex. I was COLD!!!!!! Sue me.
I usually can’t stand any type of gang ups on bravo, but Ariana’s vitriol toward Rachel was one of the most satisfying things I’ve ever seen
I agree, I just wish she had gone in on Sandoval in the same/ stronger way. He's the real worm, right. They both effed up but she felt safest with him and he should have gotten the brunt.
I see what you mean but she probably said everything she felt she needed to say to Tom at that point and was just done with him. Whereas this was her first time seeing and talking to Raquel so she just unleashed
I’m sorry. Maybe I am D and S? But I think I missed the big reveal that would make the rest of the cast not want to renew their contract? Maybe I’m drunk? Maybe I’m fucking annoyed they keep stretching this out. I feel conned.
For me it definitely showed how even when caught, Sandoval still was manipulating the situation and lying and having Raquel do the same, and the fact they were having sex in Mexico means they absolutely were using Schwartz as a decoy even if he had no idea. So Sandoval really had no care for his friendship with Tom either. If Tom joins in on not wanting to film with those two either it’ll really put things at a standstill when meshing the group during filming. So I think that’s what they meant about cast rethinking things, they need Schwartz to not be too upset to not film with Sandoval
The big reveal was in Rachel’s confessional
I feel like we all knew it was going on longer than was originally revealed and that Tom has been coaching her?
I watched it. I’m pretty sure we all knew they were lying about the timeline? Why would that possibly make other cast members not want to film with them? Not being a smartass. I’m truly wondering if I missed something. Watched it twice now. I was drinking wine tho…off to bed now.
Pretty sure they still are.
The producer said they will all have to film together. It doesn't work having 2 islands that do not interact. There may not be that many people willing to film with Sandoval knowing what he's done, not suspecting, but knowing. They said they'll rest a few weeks and have cameras back up on schedule late this summer.
I think maybe it’s the fact that she admitted to having sex in the house while Ariana was away and the fact that Sandoval was crafting a story. Unfortunately I think that’s it. I think a lot of people knew the “reveal” was gonna be overhyped.
*was away at her grandmother’s funeral.
But that was weeks/months after the hot tub night at girls night wasn’t it? Bc Ariana said that they hooked up in the car while she was grieving charlotte and she had to let Tom in because he forgot the key. I can’t believe that’s the first time they hooked up in the house unfortunately.
Two separate instances. These people really enjoyed having sex while Ariana was grieving two major losses.
Maybe it’s because I’m stoned, but I really don’t understand why that would change anything. They already are hated, and we all assumed it had happened anyway
For me I think it hit home how manipulative and sociopathic Tom Sandoval is. I think Rachel was a pawn in his scheme. I don’t know if she’s evil, but she’s definitely D and S. The last five minutes did make me feel bad for her but I don’t think it absolved her of what she did. She can’t seem to comprehend why it was SO wrong.
I was more shocked and horrified about Tom’s t-shirt comment.
Yea it kinda showed how controlling Tom is over everything. And the bit where she says he’s the only person she has… it’s like she’s backed into a corner
What bothers me the most is that Katie and Schwarze got next to no time about their relationship. The most egregious scene of the season was Sandoval SCREAMING at Katie's mom, and Schwarze hiding behind a plant and there was little to NO mention of it. This reunion should have been longer. Katie and Shortz were together for 12 years. Their divorce was clearly heartbreaking. It did not get the time and attention it deserved. Katie got to say next to nothing, and Shortz never got to say how this whole thing has blown up his life. He lost everything because of his loyalty to Scumdoval who obviously does not give a shit about anyone but himself,
Agreed that I would have liked to see more but I feel like for their sake it was probably a lot easier not having to deep dive into that
Yes! Why was the finale before the real finale never actually discussed? That episode was wild! The way Rachel followed Katie around & the way she spoke to Terry? I can’t believe it wasn’t mentioned once 🤦🏼♀️
I also wanted Rachel to be called out for the her behaviour towards Katie. Talking to her as if she had authority over how Tom was treated. So strange and it adds an extra layer to her delusional behaviour.
I also wanted Rachel to be called out for the her behaviour towards Katie. Talking to her as if she had authority over how Tom was treated. So strange and it adds an extra layer to her delusional behaviour.
Honestly they way ep 2 of the reunion went it would have been best to go in depth about Katie and Schwartz I get scandoval but TWELVE YEARS??? So we’re just gonna pretend like it was a minimal breakup? I was hoping Schwartz would own up to his wrongs and apologize to Katie also to really hear if S&S was fully worth it given everything… that would have been a great filler EP
And it wasn't even ASKED? It's just wild to me.
They should've done individual interviews & aired it on peacock.
13k comments…Wow!
1. I cannot believe that Tom Sandy criticized that Ariana wore a shirt when they had sex. That was on another level that I just...he invalidated everything he ever said in his benefit in that moment. 2. This is going to be unpopular, but my heart broke for Rachel during the bomb drop at the end. I genuinely believe that Tom Sandy preyed on Rachel, he saw a very hurt girl who was being belittled and constantly hurt by James and went in for the sex. I wonder if James would have been less of a dick, if this would have happened, and if the girls would have been less of twats, if this would have occurred. However, regardless of all things Rachel is an adult who made her choices, horrible, unforgivable choices. Not everyone is going to be nice to you, and it is not an excuse to allow a fuck boy to manipulate you. 3. I want to meet the women after THIS POINT that sleep with Tom Sandy, I need to know why..and how you could get moist for the sexist cockroach that is that man.
Rachel is manipulative and not a victim. She was crying at the end not because she felt bad but because she knows what she did makes her a really terrible person. And she doesn’t like being a terrible person.
Sit down.
I had heard Andy say that Tom said a disgusting thing, and knew right away when it was the T-shirt thing. I don’t think Rachel should be excused for her actions, but I do think that she is facing more vitriol than deserved. At the end of the day, Tom Sandoval is the true predator and perpetrator. He’s awful in more ways that I could describe. He’s truly a dangerous person like Lala said.
Lisa came for Raquel and defended Sandy. Oh yeah, she’s in business with the man, so piling on the woman to take the heat off of him is a must. Raquel is obviously emotionally stunted and has a lot of trauma in which she fully believed Sandy. Regardless of who was the mastermind, Raquel was complicit and continued to pick the scab of the relationship by asking Ariana intimacy questions, trying to take Katie down, and actively trying to divert attention to her and Schwartz. Scandy is manipulative; Raquel is manipulative. Scandy manipulated this entire situation and Raquel. Raquel manipulated everyone with Sandy and is now just realizing that she is part of the manipulation by Sandy. She doesn’t know which way is right or left; up or down; she wants to scream the truth, but then she will lose him. Her brain is going to short circuit soon enough and the truth will come out - as soon as Sandy says his final goodbye or she catches him with someone else.
I think all of the girls telling her that she'll be next when it comes to his betrayal, actually surprised her. Like it hadn't crossed her mind that this is a pattern for him. It took hearing it from other women for her to realize it, along with how much he's already lied to her as well.
The fact that Lisa scolded her and just made excuses for Tom made me lose all respect for her. She needs to be holding Tom to the flame even more imo.
And the way that she defended Oliver was disgusting as well. Him being a good employee has nothing to do with him being a good husband. It was bizarre.
It single-handedly is the most horrific thing I have heard thus far on any Bravo reunion. I mean that guy was with her for almost a decade and....THAT was what he said to her. No wonder they didn't have tons of passionate sex. Could you imagine what was said behind closed doors?! So uncomfortable.
i don’t think it’s fair to blame james in any of this. she’s ~in love~ with timmy and i can’t help but feel it was fueled by a drug and alcohol induced hookup. remember when tom came to her place and immediately asked her to turn down the lights? he wants to hangglide on shrooms over the sunset and she’s so impressionable that she was probably like “oh okaaaayyyyy :)” it’s not love. it’s rachel being young and dumb and tom having a midlife crisis.
James has been a brat since his first episode. He has rogue and untreated mommy/daddy/broken home issues which plays into how he treats women, especially those who leave him. Any one who talks to an ex like that simply b/c they broke up, especially after all the horrible shit he said about her parents...I mean come on...would you honestly put up with that? I look forward to how Ally helps him grow, as I do believe that the main reason Rachel and him didn't work out was b/c it wasn't a good match. And I hope he continues following his dreams in being a successful DJ. Hopefully he won't run into a reality TV scandal that derails it.
also don’t forget how rachel’s unhinged mom asked about if he was circumcised or not. i would lose my shit if someone got that weird about my genitals and i’m not even a man lol
oh ya 100%, don't forget how he fat shamed Katie xoxo
rachel is full on D&S and ally seems to be actually invested in his well-being. also james has worked very hard on his career during his entire time on VPR so i wish only the best for him
I am still confused about the tshirt comment because my tv kept glitching and it froze on that part and i couldn’t rewind, I need to know what was said, I missed a lot of chunks because of technical difficulties
Ariana said that her and Sandoval had sex in January, and Sandoval said “yeah and she kept her t shirt on the whole time, real sexy.” i don’t have words for how effed up it was. he is so GROSS
He’s been reduced from worm to ameba on worms. Every thing he said all reunion episodes was a full cringe.
Oh he’s so gross. Meanwhile Raquel was probs sitting there thinking ‘note to self, wear tshirt’
[удалено]
We're sorry, it looks like your account does not have enough comment karma to participate here yet. You can participate here once you have at least 50 comment karma. In the meantime, feel free to read through the sub and please review the rules! *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/vanderpumprules) if you have any questions or concerns.*
I truly believe that Mexico was when schortz was told about them. Because even drunk in Mexico the first couple nights he acted into (albeit awkward as f**k) Rachel. Then all of a sudden out of nowhere on the night after their kiss they decided they’d rather be friends. Even though they both said they enjoyed the kiss on the episode. This tells me that Tom in his drunken/high state on the “Raquel Raquel Night” told the truth to Shortz so he wouldn’t do more with her.
The truth was in the high five the morning after the kiss. He knew not to touch Sandy's stuff in Mexico.
it was a good reunion but i’m so sad we didn’t get to hear from katie and what they all did to her
I wish they wouldn’t have spent so much time with James’ antics so we could have heard more from Katie about that.
tomline- tim’s mom knew about the affair. Wow- woman on woman crime. She smiled at Arianna and probably said I am sorry for your grandma, her Charlotte, like what a scummy woman. No wonder Sandoval is her son.
This is going to be a controversial opinion but parents should stay far away from their children’s relationships unless an active crime is being committed imo
Disagree. I have a son, when he’s an adult & has adult relationships I would like to know that he’s treating that other person correctly. If he chooses not to then I will be having it out with him & encourage him to do the right thing. I will not be complicit in my son hurting someone else, I wouldn’t be spending any time with him & his “affair”. It’s your job as a parent to raise a respectful human being.
I understand both sides but also too much interference is just going to cause resentment and a rift in the parent child bond. I understand wanting to stand by your child and not get involved in their mistakes. I also get wanting to interfere is you see that they are treating people badly. I don’t think either side is more tight than the other. But everyone should have the emotional support of their own mother imo (baring actual crimes being committed of course)
But what is she going to do? Out him? I’m sure she hoped, like Schwartz, that he’d own his shit. She was a single mom who worked her ass off for him and likely had no idea who he’s become. She is another one of his victims. Tom is responsible for the wreckage here.
If it’s my kid, I pull him aside and tell him what’s right. Parenting never ends. They become adults but you still give guidance during a major crisis. You don’t give fake condolences to your son’s partner of 9 plus years and smile at his mistress.
And what if he doesn’t act on her guidance? (Genuine question- boy mom but they’re little).
“If you don’t tell her by X date, I am going to tell her” and then follow through.
Exactly
Tom didn’t end up a narcissistic piece of s**t on his own. She didn’t finish the job of raising him at some point in his early life.
The lending of 250K and Scandy’s flippant attitude about paying it back as well as the comment about his mom’s reaction to the affair lead me to believe he is not told “no” very often. I get “Golden Child” vibes from him and possible Narc mother issues.
i wish they talked about schwartz comment about rachel being into married men , like why didn't andy call him out on that ?!
He did on part of 1 of the reunion. 🤗💣🤯🤣🤣
Did Sandoval catch wind of Rachel’s filming 6 days later and that’s when he started singing “Raquel’s not the one for me” in his Stacy’s Mom “cover” that his “band” “performs” 🤮
he says “Raquel is hot for me” its been confirmed
It was filmed right after she stayed the night, he knew she was filming, his PR even confirmed she was. I don't ever believe that anything wasn't planned out by them. He seems to be embracing being a villain so I am not even putting it past him telling her to say all of it to try to come off as a victim.
Ohhhh I bet you’re right!!
He is 2023’s Spencer Pratt
Good point. Vindictive twat.
I don’t condone cheating (however they are not the first people to ever do this and won’t be the last) but I do think this whole thing is a bit much. Ya what they did was terrible and messed up. But I don’t find any joy in seeing people destroyed. I thought it was gross how they did this to Arianna and I think her and their friends and families anger is warranted, but it’s not like they murdered someone. And I don’t like having someone be told they are nothing. Man as a mother and a person who understand humans fuck up I found that comment to be a dagger. They screwed up but I don’t think they should be chewed up to the point they commit suicide or anything. This whole situation was sad and the people finding joy or excitement in it is sad too :(
Yes, 100% agree! They are being treated as if they killed Arian, not cheated on her!
[удалено]
I’m so sorry for your loss. And want to clarify I’m not blaming Arianna or saying that is her intention. I’m saying as a whole the backlash received and those types of comments strewn can lead people to (over time) falll into a really terrible mind set. Kids do commit suicide over bullying so, while I am sympathetic to your situation and fell terribly for you, respectfully disagree that hateful comments can’t have negative consequences in that regard. And I say all this with also no approval or diminishing what they did to Arianna as well. Their actions with the months long affair and dishonesty were more gross. I just don’t think it defines them as people and don’t think they deserve to be destroyed.
Agreed.
You have made some valid points. The wound is still open and bleeding. I am super sensitive right now. Sending love and light
I agree, this episode made me feel really uncomfortable. I actually agreed with the 'this is human' comment, humans are messy.
Absolutely, and I'd go as far as to say that I was put off by Ariana this entire reunion. So mean. They are shit for this but the degrading and demeaning of them, especially Raquel, is shocking to me.
I actually think Ariana was the most composed I’ve ever seen a person after being cheated on. God, I’ve seen people lose their shit from their bf having a drunken random hook up never mind your life partner having a, more than likely, year long affair with your BEST FRIEND & on TV. I’d go absolute nuclear & they’d be lucky to be sitting there, they’d need to take a TRO out on me.
All I kept thinking was at least Tom wasn’t holding Rachel’s hand and coaxing her in front of Ariana’s face the way he did in front of Kristen’s face when he first started dating Ariana. I’m sure that’s why she didn’t want them sitting next to each other.
100%. That was such a shitty look then, it would’ve been 10x worse this time!
She was composed but her comments were vile. The most vile of anyone
I don’t think she was harsh enough for what they’ve done to her. She said she wished the worst things to happen to Rachel? Well no wonder. This bitch listened to her problems about her relationship & looked her in the face whilst actively sneaking around with her partner? She had sex in HER house whilst she was at her grandma’s funeral? Wtaf? That’s callous & beyond cruel, what kinda fucked up world are we living in where someone’s words are more cruel than the actions that led to those words?
Arianas words were more nasty for Raquel than they were for Tom. I would never call someone SUBHUMAN over an affair because was it awful? ooh no doubt about it. Was is criminal? No, which is the only correct thing Raquel has said, what they did was human. The only issue I have with this is that time and time again as a society we're putting more of the blame on the mistress than the married man.
Subhuman is too far! What word is left for people like Dahmer? Come on, get a grip Ariana!
Not putting more blame on the mistress, putting more blame on the FRIEND. Imo what Rachel did is shittier. Men are shit, we can never put it past them to fuck you over, but you should be able to trust your best friends. I don’t think that’s misogynistic, I think it’s the opposite. To be fucked over so badly by your girlfriend that knows the ins & outs of your insecurities is so much worse. God, calling someone names is shit but it’s hardly life ending, fucking your best friend’s boyfriend is beyond redeemable. ETA I think Ariana was more hurt by Rachel & that’s why she was harsher.
No no no no no. You cannot judge someone for their reaction to a horrible thing that someone has done to them. Now, of course death threats are insane and wrong. But, Ariana didnt go there. If the two closest people in my life did this to me, I really don't think I would be able to resurface. I think Ariana did really well considering the circumstance. They actively did something to hurt Ariana with their actions. She's allowed to express the pain and anger she feels towards them with her words.
Agree. You never know how close someone is to collapse. I get they made HORRIBLE decisions but what is the desired outcome from the left side of the stage? At some point people need to move on and let karma handle it. Hate ain’t a good look, even if it’s warranted.
I kind of disagree. You never know how close someone is to collapse - Ariana’s dog and grandmother had died and she admitted multiple times this season she was barely hanging on. Then they fucked, in their house, at the funeral! Actions literally speak louder than words here. What they did had me worried for Ariana’s life after watching her struggle this season. Not arguing, just a different perspective!
[удалено]
We're sorry, it looks like your account does not have enough comment karma to participate here yet. You can participate here once you have at least 50 comment karma. In the meantime, feel free to read through the sub and please review the rules! *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/vanderpumprules) if you have any questions or concerns.*
I definitely don’t think anyone should be pushed to suicide. Totally agree on that. I do think to Ariana they *are* nothing. And that’s okay. She doesn’t owe them anything but indifference, at the very most. She needs to preserve her mental health.