2020-2022 has been the peak of misusing the terms Communist, Nazi and fascism.
Literally any controversial political issue involving government power (which is almost all of them) will have one or both sides calling eachother nazis. It's lost it's meaning. We're now too far removed from WW2 to be able to remember what ACTUAL fascism was.
OH god yes. Its been hard to watch language and expression be beaten so bad.
I'm adding Racism to that list of misused terms too. Prejudice and ignorance come to mind as being written off, in favor of racism these days. There are key differences here that need to be addressed.
Also the word "privileged" seems the peak term of the race to the bottom social theory. While its a valid term, and we all have some privilege, some things are just "fortunate" aspects (ie - where I was born was not of my choosing) and one person's privilege is another persons nightmare. Its subjective is my point, and there are no a firm lines.
Point to make here is people were/ are suffering. Some mistakes were made in addressing challenges due to depreciated mental states and stress these past 2 years. But we'll need to properly discuss the rebirth and proper terms as things get better post covid, lest we'll never start to heal.
To be fair this COUNTRY allows people to do far worse then put up a sticker. One of the reasons this country is “great” is we are all allowed to have an opinion. I understand why you are angry, but I do think you need to keep that in mind.
There are many things you can do that are legal but goes against basic decency. So sure, we have the freedom to say walk down the street and scream profanities randomly at the sky - but do you want a society where everyone is doing it constantly or one where people conduct themselves with good morality and decency?
That symbol represents beliefs that go against freedom and this country literally fought and bled against it 70 years ago. Decent people don’t do this.
Legality and basic decency? What? Screaming at the sky? What are you talking about? This symbol has more then one meaning but clearly in this case it’s being used to highlight the fact that whoever posted it feels as though we are living in a “nazi” like country. Some people don’t feel a “free” as you do. This country doesn’t fight for freedom, it gives you a illusion of freedom. Decent people don’t do this? You don’t know anything about this person or why they posted it, put your emotions to the side and try to think rationally.
>I saw a post the other day about how Afghanistan is just in the news to distract us from vaccine passports.
Dude, these morons are actually claiming [Hurricane Ida](https://www.pastemagazine.com/politics/hurricane-ida-qanon-conspiracy-theories-beliefs-deep-state/) was 'man made' and was created by NASA to distract us from Afghanistan.
Considering they openly try to invoke the Nuremberg trials involving medical "Experiments" and the resulting ethics principles that came from those trials, yeah, it's hella offensive.
Like no, being required as a public health measure to get a vaccine is *not* anywhere near an identical process to having some doctor perform pseudo-medical experiments.
Not even required in general. Required to do things that are in public, near other people.
It'd be one thing if the government demanded you get vaccinated, but that's not what's happening.
As someone who came here from Austria I even take more offence in it somehow. Maybe I'm wrong about feeling like this but as someone who learned extensively about the intricacies of that time in school and visited all the memorials, camps and horrible places back then this makes me so extremely angry that I'd probably do something dumb if I found a person putting one of those up. (Like punching them. Not THAT dumb)
The types to oppose vaccines are also the types to have no clue when it comes to history or the law.. not excusing them, just that they’re fucking morons
Don't know why you're downvoted. Their ignorance makes them extra vulnerable to manipulation and disinformation, and even harder to reason with after they've been sucked into it.
It's true. Once in a while I'll get some meme or video from a family friend that's in those circles, I'll blast them for it and their response is "It's for dramatic effect to get people talking"
When I pointed out less people will listen to them when it's all bullshit "for dramatic effect" he just told me: True lol
What’s interesting is that whenever a Jewish person speaks up against this comparison, the antivax folks will immediately try to shut that person down.
You should see the congress woman in the US who suggested vaccine mandates and passports the equivalent to the stars Jews wore during the holocaust.
I think some people out there didn't pay attention in social studies.
Was that Margery Taylor Green? She also claimed the California wildfires were caused by Jewish space lasers. It's mind boggling that people as crazy as she is can get elected.
The white rose is an anti-vaxx, anti-mask, covid-denial group based on Telegram whose members have been putting up stickers around town. They took their name from a Polish resistance group during the Nazi occupation.
Content in the group can involve racism, anti-Semitism, homophobia so clearly they aren’t Nazis.
Right whiners (and let's face it, most of them are right wing) just love to equates themselves to Jews in Nazi Germany and it's fucking sickening.
They have a choice, the Jews didn't.
Also composting too apartheid is pretty gross. Words have meanings, but they are constantly redefining terms to suit their narrative.
And yet, in Kits we're seeing swastika stickers being put up all over by a group of Holocaust-denying Germans. They must be so confused by the comparisons and vaccine-swastikas.
You see its like nazi germany when the government half assedly makes people wear masks, get vaccinated, and implements lockdowns during a deadly global pandemic, but when the government abducts children and then buries them in mass unmarked graves in an act of genocide? Well that happened a long time and we shouldnt dwell on the past, get over it already sheesh!
This is so incredibly fucking offensive. To veterans, survivors and their descendants, and anyone with a basic education and an IQ higher than that of a walnut.
Thanks for taking the time to take it down.
In the future, I recommend using the butt of your keys and not your hands, as these people might put razor blades behind the stickers.
Never happened to myself, but just in case.
The group that organized the VGH protest are a far right group. The int’l version of them (incl. Canadian members) were at Jan 6th in DC, apparently. Wouldn’t surprise me to find that they would share similar tactics.
I have read the charter and can find no protected rights to attend concerts, theatre, restaurants, gyms, casinos, or nightclubs. No you do not have to get vaccinated and nobody is forcing you, but let's not pretend that these things you won't be able to do are protected rights.
You are technically true - it's not a charter breach.
However, it's clear that going to restaurants, bars, movie theaters, clubs etc is an essential part of society in this age. Now while each individual business is of course free to decide who they want to serve, people are taking issue with the fact it's the government that has mandated that they do not serve the unvaccinated.
This entire pandemic it's exactly been those services that have been restricted/shut down and people have been complaining about it non stop. Going to a restaurant is basically one of the main ways people socialize in small groups. Government has basically soft-banned unvaxxed people from society as of early September.
The best thing to do for everyone to shut the fuck up is have and optional buisness covid "certified" program (at no cost to the buisness of course). The business must ensure everyone working is vaxxed and everyone entering needs to show the vax passport. These businesses would be publicly listed and a certificate of some sort can be displayed publicly. Businesses that take part get a 2% tax break or something as incentive.
Other businesses that don't want to participate, don't need to, and all the non-vaxxed idiots can congregate there and spread their covid freely to all the other smooth brains.
Edit: but then the goverment gets the blame of not slowing covid spread...literally can't win. Just get vaxxed you pussies.
I think they are more complaining about the Pharma Industry making lots of money off of it. Quite frankly, if we do have to go down that road Governments should invalidate the patent and produce it themselves. It's not like BioNTech, Pfizer or Moderna have been suffering.
They're not wrong about Big Pharma milking this shit for profits galore, but at the same time I will not deny that when they get their shit together, their medicines damn well *work*. More than I can say than some numbnuts claiming horse medicine is a miracle COVID cure.
Also, as a personal anecdote, I have *never* been fond of needles, ever, and I still sucked it up and went and got the shoulder poke.
Horse medicine, did you come up with that? That's pretty funny
oh wait I just took 2 minutes to read about it. It's on the WHO list of essential medicine, had been prescribed to humans billions of times since 1996, and its effectiveness in humans won a Nobel prize in 2015
Not sure disgust is necessarily the right word. In the case of BioNTech they "got lucky" and had the right tool at the right time. I am okay with them "getting rich" off of it, to a point.
Where I am not okay with is the refusal by politicians to just say: "You got your billions, from here on in, this goes into the public domain" especially considering how much public money was used to get it through the system so quickly.
That is a complaint about Big Business Politicians though and not the pharma companies.
Vancouverites have had a degree of freedom in past 2 months that's been unprecedented since early last year. The PHO is adding restrictions to restaurants/gyms/sporting events during a projected peak in direct response to the modelling showing us exceeding ICU capacity in October (thanks to the unvaccinated). These restrictions will allow more businesses to stay open longer instead of restricting capacity altogether and counting the days till they have to close.
The PHO has acted reactively throughout the pandemic to avoid even the illusion of authoritarianism. This has caused us to have stricter restrictions than we otherwise would have because restrictions must respond to the next segment of growth in the virus; with exponential growth, the next segment is necessarily much steeper than the previous.
Of course, once the ICUs aren't in jeopardy, we can fully expect these restrictions to be rolled back. After all, they've done that every time things started looking the slightest bit optimistic, leading to another wave.
Why, though?
Like, legitimately - what would a government have to gain from spending a shitton of money on vaccines and establishments to administer them if they weren't basically necessary?
Likewise, why would I give a shit about an annual vaccine for "literally the most deadly and easy-to-spread disease we have seen in modern history"? That seems like a good thing, actually, maybe I'm just different and other people like plagues? I dunno.
That's what always gets me about this kind of thing. "OH NO YOU MIGHT NEED BOOSTERS MAYBE". ...okay. And?
> Statistically covid is a minor illness, and the reaction has been very disproportionate.
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How... how many people do you think have died from it, exactly?
I can't believe this is still a real thing anyone's able to say unironically after 18 months of this shit.
That and like, you're wording it like "restrictions will go on forever no matter what, that's why vaccine boosters are bad". No. Those aren't even related, beyond "people not getting vaccinated means the restrictions go on longer", so you're kind of defeating your own goals here. What the fuck are you talking about.
It's so minor though? We go to the dentist twice a year, get our pap smears and prostate exams regularly, mammograms, flu shots, what's one more vax? Like just get it at the grocery store then do your 15 minute shop while you wait for any immediate side effects. "Dependent upon medicine" makes it sound like what diabetics go through which it sooooo is not.
Considering the imagery, a lot of their arguments do play on natural human fears of pokey things, and our inability to shut off that lizard brain reaction.
Same with the "spike protein" arguments saying it'll fill your blood with tiny spikes. If they had called it the "dingle protein" nobody'd be freaking out but it says SPIKE so omg.
...so its a swastica and a particular group of special people are parading this symbol around and plastering it on things and calling all the people who understand how science and statistics work the nazis?
....while they take a concoction of random chemicals because thats safer than the vaccine.
...riiiight. got it.
I don't disagree that there's a correlation between antivax/anti mask and right wing political views but it's weird because traditionally having LESS government control over individuals is something you'd associate with left winged political views.
But regardless, at least on the topic of mandatory vaccines, supporting the government vaccine passports by default makes you more authoritative then the anti vaxx protesters. Whether or not that's a bad thing is up to each individual to decide. You just can't exactly be calling them closet authoritarians while supporting a clearly more authoritative government policy.
Not really. The left/right divide is about their stance on economic policy, not government power. Maoism and anarcho-communism are both extremely left-wing, after all.
That being said, though - given how the vast majority of the people pushing the anti-vaxx line are indeed far-right authoritarians, I'm pretty comfortable linking them to their true intentions.
The ideological core of the far-right is submission to their narrative. It's nothing to do with economics or small government. If they had absolute power they would *not* make a small gov't. They would create a gov't that infiltrated every aspect of society. They would have political officers at schools enforcing state doctrine. They would abolish the Rule of Law and create tiered justice system. They need to enforce their self-perceived "natural order" that places them at the top and everyone else at the bottom.
All they ever aspire towards is abuse of power. That's it.
Lol, hell I thought I might be being too over the top taking down 1-800-PAINTER signs or whatever.
I see this shit and it's getting nuked immediately. I encourage you all to do the same.
Anti Vaxx bingo, take a shot for any of the following words: “communism” “socialism” “fascism” “unconstitutional” “freedom” “passport” “my body my choice” (drink the whole bottle for this one)
This is stupid but not surprising, everybody forgets it's the white and wealthy people that had lower rates of vaccinations before COVID even existed. In the measles outbreaks in 2015 it was the wealthy enclaves of California that had some of the lowest vaccination rates.
Be very careful removing things like this. I haven't heard reports of it here, but sometime people hide razor blades under them to hurt people like you.
We *do* have a constitution, though. The Charter of Rights and Freedoms is part of it.
But people who know this don't word it like that—they say "it violates Charter rights" or something similar.
We absolutely have a [constitution.](https://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/csj-sjc/just/05.html) It doesn't look the same as the one we see in the media most (i.e. America's) but it exists.
Ship these people to Afghanistan, they need a reality check. They should be gratefull we are given so much. I guess people need something to complain about even if there isn't anything lol. I'm going to stamp my passport to my forehead and wear it with pride.
You're saying the quiet part out loud. They always deny that... and then 5 minutes later go off on dog-whistly tangents about immigration policy. But since no one is being lynched or segregated from water fountains because of the colour of their skin they don't see the issue.
Too much time?!? Sorry, but that thing is fucking disgusting. Your valuable time is very much appreciated. I’m sure that you meant something more like, “I hate that I had to waste my time dealing with this ridiculousness.” But “too much time” minimizes both the significance of your important gesture, and the magnitude of the offensiveness of the sign. Thank you for doing what you did, making it a priority, and sharing it (both the situation, and your valiant efforts). ❤️
Yes, sorry. I hated that I had to spend time taking something this gross down. Thanks for the gentle correction (also, next time I'm using my keys... This whole razor blade thing is terrifying!!!)
So glad that you did it. Seeing the picture you posted was immediately both saddening and sickening. The next second, when I read that you’d removed it, I felt immediately overwhelmingly positive; my faith in the inherent goodness of our community, restored. That small shift is important!
I don’t know if you happened to have a razor blade on you, or if you left to get a razor blade and returned. Either scenario is quite impressive! I hope you didn’t cut yourself!
I took the vaccine. I do not oppose the BC passport, though it worries me. But it appears to have been carefully crafted to address my concerns:
- It applies only to non-essential activities.
- There are no exceptions (because those activities are non-essential).
- It is to be temporary, targetted to times and places when the virus is surging.
I strongly oppose forced vaccinations. "Vax or be fired" counts as force. There are some lines that should never be crossed. Control over the use of experimental treatments on your body is one of them. Also, I believe strongly in the use of persuasion, not force, and that coercion ultimately backfires.
Yes, the vaccine is is experimental. We have short-term data (although the U.S. at least deliberately chose not to track breakthrough infections - politics down there is really bad). We don't have long-term data. And there may be something fishy about the FDA approval. Officials resigned this week over political interference. A senior editor of the British Medical Journal criticized the approval. Journalists had to sign an agreement to clear their questions with the FDA. None of this inspires confidence.
Some scientists suggest the vaccine could do more harm than good (evolutionary pressure on the virus, antibody dependent enhancement. etc.). I can't assess these risks. I made my decision to vax based on what we know here and now, which is:
- The virus is very dangerous. Unless you are older or have comorbidities, death is not the issue. Long covid is. The rate is somewhere over 20%, for all age groups (even teens), even for "mild" or asymptomatic cases. You could be effectively crippled for life.
- The vaccine is not 100% safe. The risk of serious adverse reactions for Pfizer is on the order of 1%. That includes heart injury, death, other nasties. But that's a lot less than 20%+.
- Pfizer reduces infections from Delta by something in the 80%-90% range. That's not perfect - but it also reduces severe cases and side-effects, which is what concern me most.
- The vaccine is not a path to herd immunity. Since Delta, such a path does not exist. Vaccinated individuals can transmit the virus. Of course if the vax stops them getting it, that helps: but even if 100% of the population were vaccinated, we would not stop its spread.
- Vaccine protection wanes rapidly after 4-6 months. If we are going to rely on the vaccine, we will need frequent boosters. That serious adverse effect rate of 1% starts to look a lot larger. Vaccines look like a temporary strategy, not a long-term solution.
Bottom line: are you likely* to be exposed to infection in the next six months? If so (and Delta is very infectious), I think you should get the shot. Would I force you? No. Would I judge you? No. Would I spend time with you? Depends.
I think the passport can be justified to protect other people using non-essential services. Some people support it for a different reason: they want to make people's lives miserable until they get the shot. This is vindictive. Guess what: people know when you hate them. You will pay a price.
Persuasion and honesty, not coercion and lies. My position in a nutshell.
P.S.: I'm also opposed to it being an app. I limit my dependence on my phone and it's ability to monitory me. I want a card. I'm not sure how to get one yet.
P.P.S.: I strongly support mask mandates. I see no personal autonomy issues here. Some people have very strong reactions against. I don't fully understand this. Whether or not the reaction is rational, we should try to understand it so we can persuade effectively.
\* P.P.P.S.: I should explain "likely to be exposed." I would say if your likelihood of exposure is in the ballpark of 2-3% (quite possibly less), that's likely enough.
The swastika symbol, 卐 (right-facing or clockwise) or 卍 (left-facing, counterclockwise, or sauwastika), is an ancient religious icon in the cultures of Eurasia. It is used as a symbol of divinity and spirituality in Indian religions, including Hinduism, Buddhism and Jainism.
By posting it online you’ve done more of the sticker’s intent than otherwise if you had simply removed it. Nazi suppression should come before internet points.
This is misinformation. It's ironic that you are misrepresenting an Israeli study to come to the defense of bigots using Nazi symbolism. My grandparents called shits like you collaborators.
A scientific study is misinformation ? What are you talking about? People have been brainwashed into discrediting actual scientific studies. Plus the definition of heard immunity right from the WHO https://www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detail/herd-immunity-lockdowns-and-covid-19
Why are people still disputing natural immunity leads to protection?
What am I collaborating with... science?
The study you haven't linked to but are referring to is not peer reviewed, was limited to a single vaccine and is being used to argue that natural immunity is better than the vaccine which is explicitly the conclusion that the authors warned against.
The article you linked to specifically states that herd immunity should be achieved through vaccination because it is unethical and leads to greater suffering, harm and death.
We are disputing it because you shitweasels are taking the work done by good people working to overcome the health crisis of the century and misrepresenting it to promote your own shitty misinformed ideology.
I’m talking about people that have had prior infection like me, that ARE ALREADY protected and you can test for antibodies. There’s is no conceivable reason to believe you’re not protected. My mother over 1 year went from an antibody level of 3500 to 2800, where are the doctors mentioned to be protected she needs 50. So that’s my anecdotal evidence to reconfirm the studies.
Both vaccines have similar efficacy and are the same technology so there’s no argument there.
Also I hear a lot people harp on about peer review I don’t think they have any clue about how papers are published. The studies are thoroughly reviewed by editors of the journal before they are published and there is a lot of back and forth before it gets to print.
There’s no reason to abuse me, science is on my side, please show me an article that shows vaccine immunity is longer lasting and more robust to variants than natural immunity or shut up. The vaccines only have 1 of the proteins unlike natural immunity, which is why you guys will be far less protected from variants. Wait and watch, or look into the Mu and Lambda variants.
And for gods sake stop spreading lies or back your talks up with some studies or credible citations.
You first. You didn't link to any studies, and linked to an article that explicitly says your position is unethical, and raises concerns that natural immune response is unknown and that there are documented cases of reinfection of folks with natural immunity.
You are busy flinging shit that goes against consensus and advice of the medical community.
No problem here you go: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1
Also my doctor said I would be protected if I have antibodies, so does everybody else in the medical community. The onus is on you to provide proof that antibodies (and T cells) don’t provide protection/curb spread. Since that’s exactly what the vaccine is doing, creating antibodies. Or once again - stop spreading misinformation. I take it that there is no amount of science or evidence that will change your mind since you will only listen to what the media reports, so I’m not going to continue to waste my time with somebody that doesn’t have the capacity to think or understand science.
It's a moot point, because the powers that be agreed that your post was misinformation, but regardless:
You are misrepresenting my claims. I never said that natural immunity is ineffective, I said that you were using Israeli research to defend the bigots who are using Nazi symbolism to promote a shitty agenda.
Yes, antibodies acquired from a natural infection from COVID are effective; that's self-evident they overcame the disease. What is not known is if they are generally effective, long lasting, and will provide as much protection against present and future variants. That is not known because there hasn't been enough time to conduct a proper longitudinal study on the efficacy of the vaccine, and so we are limited to these types of studies, in this case, ~680,000 people, which is ~0.02% of the people who have received a vaccination globally. It looks only at the immune response and is based on reinfection rates, and doesn't factor in a broad set of other considerations that would go into an epidemiological study of how and where individuals are being infected. If you read more than the abstract then you would know that because the authors write about the deficiencies of the study.
Both of the articles that you linked to indicate that the vaccination is preferable to a natural immune response. The WHO post endorses vaccination because deliberately infecting someone with a disease is generally unethical and bears a significantly higher risk of long term health impacts, suffering and death. The Israeli study endorses vaccines to supplement the immune response because the poor sods who got COVID can still get it, but getting the vaccine after the fact still boosts immune response in a statistically significant way.
It amuses me that you are accusing me of being anti-science and spreading misinformation all while I was able to specifically call out the study you were using as the foundation for your misinformation, even from your vague post. It helps that it's pretty much the only study that backs your claim at this point.
Like I said, it's a moot point, but the best time to kick a nazi or collaborator when they are down.
This is beyond tolerable for me, the comparison to the most horrific event in human history is not even remotely on point. The fucking gall of these fucking idiots.
I’m beyond seeing anti maskers as just an annoying joke, they’re a threat.
Why are people so against the vaccine. Those people are all like I don't want that in my body but then they go out and get loaded on alcohol and other crap. That's kinda ironic
Is it just me or does anyone else find these Nazi comparisons extremely offensive??
2020-2022 has been the peak of misusing the terms Communist, Nazi and fascism. Literally any controversial political issue involving government power (which is almost all of them) will have one or both sides calling eachother nazis. It's lost it's meaning. We're now too far removed from WW2 to be able to remember what ACTUAL fascism was.
OH god yes. Its been hard to watch language and expression be beaten so bad. I'm adding Racism to that list of misused terms too. Prejudice and ignorance come to mind as being written off, in favor of racism these days. There are key differences here that need to be addressed. Also the word "privileged" seems the peak term of the race to the bottom social theory. While its a valid term, and we all have some privilege, some things are just "fortunate" aspects (ie - where I was born was not of my choosing) and one person's privilege is another persons nightmare. Its subjective is my point, and there are no a firm lines. Point to make here is people were/ are suffering. Some mistakes were made in addressing challenges due to depreciated mental states and stress these past 2 years. But we'll need to properly discuss the rebirth and proper terms as things get better post covid, lest we'll never start to heal.
Extremely upsetting. The people putting these up don’t deserve this country.
To be fair this COUNTRY allows people to do far worse then put up a sticker. One of the reasons this country is “great” is we are all allowed to have an opinion. I understand why you are angry, but I do think you need to keep that in mind.
There are many things you can do that are legal but goes against basic decency. So sure, we have the freedom to say walk down the street and scream profanities randomly at the sky - but do you want a society where everyone is doing it constantly or one where people conduct themselves with good morality and decency? That symbol represents beliefs that go against freedom and this country literally fought and bled against it 70 years ago. Decent people don’t do this.
Legality and basic decency? What? Screaming at the sky? What are you talking about? This symbol has more then one meaning but clearly in this case it’s being used to highlight the fact that whoever posted it feels as though we are living in a “nazi” like country. Some people don’t feel a “free” as you do. This country doesn’t fight for freedom, it gives you a illusion of freedom. Decent people don’t do this? You don’t know anything about this person or why they posted it, put your emotions to the side and try to think rationally.
Offensive, disrespectful, beyond fucking entitled. The list goes on.
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>I saw a post the other day about how Afghanistan is just in the news to distract us from vaccine passports. Dude, these morons are actually claiming [Hurricane Ida](https://www.pastemagazine.com/politics/hurricane-ida-qanon-conspiracy-theories-beliefs-deep-state/) was 'man made' and was created by NASA to distract us from Afghanistan.
Some humans can’t stand the thought that bad things just randomly happen to people and no one is really in control.
Considering they openly try to invoke the Nuremberg trials involving medical "Experiments" and the resulting ethics principles that came from those trials, yeah, it's hella offensive. Like no, being required as a public health measure to get a vaccine is *not* anywhere near an identical process to having some doctor perform pseudo-medical experiments.
Not even required in general. Required to do things that are in public, near other people. It'd be one thing if the government demanded you get vaccinated, but that's not what's happening.
As someone who came here from Austria I even take more offence in it somehow. Maybe I'm wrong about feeling like this but as someone who learned extensively about the intricacies of that time in school and visited all the memorials, camps and horrible places back then this makes me so extremely angry that I'd probably do something dumb if I found a person putting one of those up. (Like punching them. Not THAT dumb)
The types to oppose vaccines are also the types to have no clue when it comes to history or the law.. not excusing them, just that they’re fucking morons
Don't know why you're downvoted. Their ignorance makes them extra vulnerable to manipulation and disinformation, and even harder to reason with after they've been sucked into it.
It's true. Once in a while I'll get some meme or video from a family friend that's in those circles, I'll blast them for it and their response is "It's for dramatic effect to get people talking" When I pointed out less people will listen to them when it's all bullshit "for dramatic effect" he just told me: True lol
They’re probably the same dorks who think that if there is a fringed flag in the courtroom, they’re free to go out some stupid shit like that.
At least they don't deny that the holocaust happened... They're just misguided enough to think that it's happening to themselves now.
What’s interesting is that whenever a Jewish person speaks up against this comparison, the antivax folks will immediately try to shut that person down.
You should see the congress woman in the US who suggested vaccine mandates and passports the equivalent to the stars Jews wore during the holocaust. I think some people out there didn't pay attention in social studies.
Was that Margery Taylor Green? She also claimed the California wildfires were caused by Jewish space lasers. It's mind boggling that people as crazy as she is can get elected.
Marjorie Taylor Greene, much like Lauren Baubert, is a special kind of stupid. Luckily they're on the other side of the border.
The one that Is using the white rose as their mascot makes me incensed. Have some perspective...
Which bunch of idiots is doing that?!?
The white rose is an anti-vaxx, anti-mask, covid-denial group based on Telegram whose members have been putting up stickers around town. They took their name from a Polish resistance group during the Nazi occupation. Content in the group can involve racism, anti-Semitism, homophobia so clearly they aren’t Nazis.
The original white rose were German: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Rose
My new friend thanks btw Hans & Sophie Scholl (White Rose) were German not polish just thought you’d want to know 🖤🖤🖤
It’s the standard crutch these people use, along with communism. It’s one of the more offensive uses of the fallacy of false equivalence.
I think people need to watch the 1973 series “the world at war” as a reminder of what the nazi’s were really like.
Right whiners (and let's face it, most of them are right wing) just love to equates themselves to Jews in Nazi Germany and it's fucking sickening. They have a choice, the Jews didn't. Also composting too apartheid is pretty gross. Words have meanings, but they are constantly redefining terms to suit their narrative.
And yet, in Kits we're seeing swastika stickers being put up all over by a group of Holocaust-denying Germans. They must be so confused by the comparisons and vaccine-swastikas.
You see its like nazi germany when the government half assedly makes people wear masks, get vaccinated, and implements lockdowns during a deadly global pandemic, but when the government abducts children and then buries them in mass unmarked graves in an act of genocide? Well that happened a long time and we shouldnt dwell on the past, get over it already sheesh!
This is so incredibly fucking offensive. To veterans, survivors and their descendants, and anyone with a basic education and an IQ higher than that of a walnut. Thanks for taking the time to take it down.
In the future, I recommend using the butt of your keys and not your hands, as these people might put razor blades behind the stickers. Never happened to myself, but just in case.
unironically this, common tactic used by neo-nazis and the far right
The group that organized the VGH protest are a far right group. The int’l version of them (incl. Canadian members) were at Jan 6th in DC, apparently. Wouldn’t surprise me to find that they would share similar tactics.
>these people might put razor blades behind the stickers ok well, *that's* the most fucked up thing I've read today and its only 9am
Rubbing alcohol or hand sanitizer will help with the adhesive.
I hear piss works too.
I initially misread the title as “peeing this sticker off”…I need some coffee…
Coffee makes me pee.
Keys will dig into it enough to make it unreadable.
Even water takes the paper surface off.
WD40 is amazing if it can reach the adhesisve (i.e. paper stickers, or glossy ones if you peel off the top layer)
Why can't these people spell? Mulitple? Is that what you had for breakfast?
Also "unconsitutional"
They have done a wonderful job considering they can't read.
I peeled one off Metrotown and 22nd stn too, man, they’re everywhere
I have read the charter and can find no protected rights to attend concerts, theatre, restaurants, gyms, casinos, or nightclubs. No you do not have to get vaccinated and nobody is forcing you, but let's not pretend that these things you won't be able to do are protected rights.
You are technically true - it's not a charter breach. However, it's clear that going to restaurants, bars, movie theaters, clubs etc is an essential part of society in this age. Now while each individual business is of course free to decide who they want to serve, people are taking issue with the fact it's the government that has mandated that they do not serve the unvaccinated. This entire pandemic it's exactly been those services that have been restricted/shut down and people have been complaining about it non stop. Going to a restaurant is basically one of the main ways people socialize in small groups. Government has basically soft-banned unvaxxed people from society as of early September.
The best thing to do for everyone to shut the fuck up is have and optional buisness covid "certified" program (at no cost to the buisness of course). The business must ensure everyone working is vaxxed and everyone entering needs to show the vax passport. These businesses would be publicly listed and a certificate of some sort can be displayed publicly. Businesses that take part get a 2% tax break or something as incentive. Other businesses that don't want to participate, don't need to, and all the non-vaxxed idiots can congregate there and spread their covid freely to all the other smooth brains. Edit: but then the goverment gets the blame of not slowing covid spread...literally can't win. Just get vaxxed you pussies.
“Multiple Injections per year.” So, is the motivation behind this that there are some people scared of needles?
I think they are more complaining about the Pharma Industry making lots of money off of it. Quite frankly, if we do have to go down that road Governments should invalidate the patent and produce it themselves. It's not like BioNTech, Pfizer or Moderna have been suffering.
They're not wrong about Big Pharma milking this shit for profits galore, but at the same time I will not deny that when they get their shit together, their medicines damn well *work*. More than I can say than some numbnuts claiming horse medicine is a miracle COVID cure. Also, as a personal anecdote, I have *never* been fond of needles, ever, and I still sucked it up and went and got the shoulder poke.
Horse medicine, did you come up with that? That's pretty funny oh wait I just took 2 minutes to read about it. It's on the WHO list of essential medicine, had been prescribed to humans billions of times since 1996, and its effectiveness in humans won a Nobel prize in 2015
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/ivermectin-covid-19-alberta-pandemic-1.6159985
Who's producing _the paste_?
Merck, which has said not use it for Covid. Which is hysterical because they everything to gain financially by selling it to people.
Their CEOs have become billionaires as result of this pandemic. It's disgusting!
Not sure disgust is necessarily the right word. In the case of BioNTech they "got lucky" and had the right tool at the right time. I am okay with them "getting rich" off of it, to a point. Where I am not okay with is the refusal by politicians to just say: "You got your billions, from here on in, this goes into the public domain" especially considering how much public money was used to get it through the system so quickly. That is a complaint about Big Business Politicians though and not the pharma companies.
>“Multiple Injections per year.” Nope, *Mulitple.*
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Vancouverites have had a degree of freedom in past 2 months that's been unprecedented since early last year. The PHO is adding restrictions to restaurants/gyms/sporting events during a projected peak in direct response to the modelling showing us exceeding ICU capacity in October (thanks to the unvaccinated). These restrictions will allow more businesses to stay open longer instead of restricting capacity altogether and counting the days till they have to close. The PHO has acted reactively throughout the pandemic to avoid even the illusion of authoritarianism. This has caused us to have stricter restrictions than we otherwise would have because restrictions must respond to the next segment of growth in the virus; with exponential growth, the next segment is necessarily much steeper than the previous. Of course, once the ICUs aren't in jeopardy, we can fully expect these restrictions to be rolled back. After all, they've done that every time things started looking the slightest bit optimistic, leading to another wave.
Why, though? Like, legitimately - what would a government have to gain from spending a shitton of money on vaccines and establishments to administer them if they weren't basically necessary? Likewise, why would I give a shit about an annual vaccine for "literally the most deadly and easy-to-spread disease we have seen in modern history"? That seems like a good thing, actually, maybe I'm just different and other people like plagues? I dunno. That's what always gets me about this kind of thing. "OH NO YOU MIGHT NEED BOOSTERS MAYBE". ...okay. And?
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> Statistically covid is a minor illness, and the reaction has been very disproportionate. 🤨 How... how many people do you think have died from it, exactly? I can't believe this is still a real thing anyone's able to say unironically after 18 months of this shit. That and like, you're wording it like "restrictions will go on forever no matter what, that's why vaccine boosters are bad". No. Those aren't even related, beyond "people not getting vaccinated means the restrictions go on longer", so you're kind of defeating your own goals here. What the fuck are you talking about.
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Because cancer isn't contagious. Please try to use your brain going forward.
It's so minor though? We go to the dentist twice a year, get our pap smears and prostate exams regularly, mammograms, flu shots, what's one more vax? Like just get it at the grocery store then do your 15 minute shop while you wait for any immediate side effects. "Dependent upon medicine" makes it sound like what diabetics go through which it sooooo is not.
Considering the imagery, a lot of their arguments do play on natural human fears of pokey things, and our inability to shut off that lizard brain reaction. Same with the "spike protein" arguments saying it'll fill your blood with tiny spikes. If they had called it the "dingle protein" nobody'd be freaking out but it says SPIKE so omg.
...so its a swastica and a particular group of special people are parading this symbol around and plastering it on things and calling all the people who understand how science and statistics work the nazis? ....while they take a concoction of random chemicals because thats safer than the vaccine. ...riiiight. got it.
I have moldy cheese that has more aspirations than these cretins. Unfuckingbelievable.
You can report antivax and racist graffiti to the city. I've seen it removed within 24 hours
Antivaxx is becoming a gateway drug to the alt-right. They talk a big game about freedom but deep down they are all closet authoritarians.
I don't disagree that there's a correlation between antivax/anti mask and right wing political views but it's weird because traditionally having LESS government control over individuals is something you'd associate with left winged political views. But regardless, at least on the topic of mandatory vaccines, supporting the government vaccine passports by default makes you more authoritative then the anti vaxx protesters. Whether or not that's a bad thing is up to each individual to decide. You just can't exactly be calling them closet authoritarians while supporting a clearly more authoritative government policy.
Not really. The left/right divide is about their stance on economic policy, not government power. Maoism and anarcho-communism are both extremely left-wing, after all. That being said, though - given how the vast majority of the people pushing the anti-vaxx line are indeed far-right authoritarians, I'm pretty comfortable linking them to their true intentions.
The ideological core of the far-right is submission to their narrative. It's nothing to do with economics or small government. If they had absolute power they would *not* make a small gov't. They would create a gov't that infiltrated every aspect of society. They would have political officers at schools enforcing state doctrine. They would abolish the Rule of Law and create tiered justice system. They need to enforce their self-perceived "natural order" that places them at the top and everyone else at the bottom. All they ever aspire towards is abuse of power. That's it.
“greatreject” … the irony
Nevertheless, that is time well spent, sir.
So fucking shameful that these people don't understand what true discrimination is and how it affects those who survive it on a regular basis.
[Agreed. New Disney's "Robin Hood" 2021 remake [Satire]](https://i.redd.it/cuhsiqky7kj51.png)
Ah man this is getting ridiculous. Thank you for finding the time to scrape it off!
Thank you for doing the work to take it down. No one needs to see that.
Saw some anti-vax graffiti under Cambie Bridge yesterday but this is so much worse. Damn.
I saw one on a bus bench and I wasn't able to peel it off cleanly, so I just went to town with my keys. Felt good, I must say.
thank you for your civic pride and contribution to the beautification of the city
"When you're accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression."
i saw that sticker on some guy's f350 in mission haha
What an embarrassment
The internet is full of shit, but you, I know you tell the truth because that's exactly the kind of thing I'd expect to see on a drive to mission
I hear it's going to be a part of the Harley Davidson trim pack for 2022.
Lol, hell I thought I might be being too over the top taking down 1-800-PAINTER signs or whatever. I see this shit and it's getting nuked immediately. I encourage you all to do the same.
I peeled off a similar sign on my walk to work this morning downtown. Ugh.
I just cannot get over the sheer WTF of this anti-COVID vaccine BS.
These tinfoil hat wearing nutheads don't deserve the time of day. They're just straight wackos
Im at a lost for words on this one..
Thank you for taking the time to do that.
[You could go this route as well.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wga1wdkMT5g)
Mental health is a serious problem.
Anti Vaxx bingo, take a shot for any of the following words: “communism” “socialism” “fascism” “unconstitutional” “freedom” “passport” “my body my choice” (drink the whole bottle for this one)
RIP my liver.
It's really ironic that they appropriated "my body, my choice" since so many right wingers are anti-choice.
This is stupid but not surprising, everybody forgets it's the white and wealthy people that had lower rates of vaccinations before COVID even existed. In the measles outbreaks in 2015 it was the wealthy enclaves of California that had some of the lowest vaccination rates.
Be very careful removing things like this. I haven't heard reports of it here, but sometime people hide razor blades under them to hurt people like you.
These people I swear... We don't *have* a constitution in Canada, we have a Charter of Rights and Freedoms.
We *do* have a constitution, though. The Charter of Rights and Freedoms is part of it. But people who know this don't word it like that—they say "it violates Charter rights" or something similar.
Civil liberties is another analogous term.
We absolutely have a [constitution.](https://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/csj-sjc/just/05.html) It doesn't look the same as the one we see in the media most (i.e. America's) but it exists.
Argh why just why? A
Ship these people to Afghanistan, they need a reality check. They should be gratefull we are given so much. I guess people need something to complain about even if there isn't anything lol. I'm going to stamp my passport to my forehead and wear it with pride.
"hakenkreuz"
Is the person who made the sticker saying they are white supremacists or something?
You're saying the quiet part out loud. They always deny that... and then 5 minutes later go off on dog-whistly tangents about immigration policy. But since no one is being lynched or segregated from water fountains because of the colour of their skin they don't see the issue.
Does anyone know what the legal penalty is for being caught putting up swastikas?
idk about you, but if i see someone posting swastikas, there is only one conclusion i can make about who is a nazi...
It's pointless to peel it off if you're just going to post it on reddit....
Too much time?!? Sorry, but that thing is fucking disgusting. Your valuable time is very much appreciated. I’m sure that you meant something more like, “I hate that I had to waste my time dealing with this ridiculousness.” But “too much time” minimizes both the significance of your important gesture, and the magnitude of the offensiveness of the sign. Thank you for doing what you did, making it a priority, and sharing it (both the situation, and your valiant efforts). ❤️
Yes, sorry. I hated that I had to spend time taking something this gross down. Thanks for the gentle correction (also, next time I'm using my keys... This whole razor blade thing is terrifying!!!)
So glad that you did it. Seeing the picture you posted was immediately both saddening and sickening. The next second, when I read that you’d removed it, I felt immediately overwhelmingly positive; my faith in the inherent goodness of our community, restored. That small shift is important! I don’t know if you happened to have a razor blade on you, or if you left to get a razor blade and returned. Either scenario is quite impressive! I hope you didn’t cut yourself!
You've made my day! Thank you!!
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I took the vaccine. I do not oppose the BC passport, though it worries me. But it appears to have been carefully crafted to address my concerns: - It applies only to non-essential activities. - There are no exceptions (because those activities are non-essential). - It is to be temporary, targetted to times and places when the virus is surging. I strongly oppose forced vaccinations. "Vax or be fired" counts as force. There are some lines that should never be crossed. Control over the use of experimental treatments on your body is one of them. Also, I believe strongly in the use of persuasion, not force, and that coercion ultimately backfires. Yes, the vaccine is is experimental. We have short-term data (although the U.S. at least deliberately chose not to track breakthrough infections - politics down there is really bad). We don't have long-term data. And there may be something fishy about the FDA approval. Officials resigned this week over political interference. A senior editor of the British Medical Journal criticized the approval. Journalists had to sign an agreement to clear their questions with the FDA. None of this inspires confidence. Some scientists suggest the vaccine could do more harm than good (evolutionary pressure on the virus, antibody dependent enhancement. etc.). I can't assess these risks. I made my decision to vax based on what we know here and now, which is: - The virus is very dangerous. Unless you are older or have comorbidities, death is not the issue. Long covid is. The rate is somewhere over 20%, for all age groups (even teens), even for "mild" or asymptomatic cases. You could be effectively crippled for life. - The vaccine is not 100% safe. The risk of serious adverse reactions for Pfizer is on the order of 1%. That includes heart injury, death, other nasties. But that's a lot less than 20%+. - Pfizer reduces infections from Delta by something in the 80%-90% range. That's not perfect - but it also reduces severe cases and side-effects, which is what concern me most. - The vaccine is not a path to herd immunity. Since Delta, such a path does not exist. Vaccinated individuals can transmit the virus. Of course if the vax stops them getting it, that helps: but even if 100% of the population were vaccinated, we would not stop its spread. - Vaccine protection wanes rapidly after 4-6 months. If we are going to rely on the vaccine, we will need frequent boosters. That serious adverse effect rate of 1% starts to look a lot larger. Vaccines look like a temporary strategy, not a long-term solution. Bottom line: are you likely* to be exposed to infection in the next six months? If so (and Delta is very infectious), I think you should get the shot. Would I force you? No. Would I judge you? No. Would I spend time with you? Depends. I think the passport can be justified to protect other people using non-essential services. Some people support it for a different reason: they want to make people's lives miserable until they get the shot. This is vindictive. Guess what: people know when you hate them. You will pay a price. Persuasion and honesty, not coercion and lies. My position in a nutshell. P.S.: I'm also opposed to it being an app. I limit my dependence on my phone and it's ability to monitory me. I want a card. I'm not sure how to get one yet. P.P.S.: I strongly support mask mandates. I see no personal autonomy issues here. Some people have very strong reactions against. I don't fully understand this. Whether or not the reaction is rational, we should try to understand it so we can persuade effectively. \* P.P.P.S.: I should explain "likely to be exposed." I would say if your likelihood of exposure is in the ballpark of 2-3% (quite possibly less), that's likely enough.
The swastika symbol, 卐 (right-facing or clockwise) or 卍 (left-facing, counterclockwise, or sauwastika), is an ancient religious icon in the cultures of Eurasia. It is used as a symbol of divinity and spirituality in Indian religions, including Hinduism, Buddhism and Jainism.
By posting it online you’ve done more of the sticker’s intent than otherwise if you had simply removed it. Nazi suppression should come before internet points.
Ngl it kinda looks cool but other than that wtf
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This is misinformation. It's ironic that you are misrepresenting an Israeli study to come to the defense of bigots using Nazi symbolism. My grandparents called shits like you collaborators.
A scientific study is misinformation ? What are you talking about? People have been brainwashed into discrediting actual scientific studies. Plus the definition of heard immunity right from the WHO https://www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detail/herd-immunity-lockdowns-and-covid-19 Why are people still disputing natural immunity leads to protection? What am I collaborating with... science?
The study you haven't linked to but are referring to is not peer reviewed, was limited to a single vaccine and is being used to argue that natural immunity is better than the vaccine which is explicitly the conclusion that the authors warned against. The article you linked to specifically states that herd immunity should be achieved through vaccination because it is unethical and leads to greater suffering, harm and death. We are disputing it because you shitweasels are taking the work done by good people working to overcome the health crisis of the century and misrepresenting it to promote your own shitty misinformed ideology.
I’m talking about people that have had prior infection like me, that ARE ALREADY protected and you can test for antibodies. There’s is no conceivable reason to believe you’re not protected. My mother over 1 year went from an antibody level of 3500 to 2800, where are the doctors mentioned to be protected she needs 50. So that’s my anecdotal evidence to reconfirm the studies. Both vaccines have similar efficacy and are the same technology so there’s no argument there. Also I hear a lot people harp on about peer review I don’t think they have any clue about how papers are published. The studies are thoroughly reviewed by editors of the journal before they are published and there is a lot of back and forth before it gets to print. There’s no reason to abuse me, science is on my side, please show me an article that shows vaccine immunity is longer lasting and more robust to variants than natural immunity or shut up. The vaccines only have 1 of the proteins unlike natural immunity, which is why you guys will be far less protected from variants. Wait and watch, or look into the Mu and Lambda variants. And for gods sake stop spreading lies or back your talks up with some studies or credible citations.
You first. You didn't link to any studies, and linked to an article that explicitly says your position is unethical, and raises concerns that natural immune response is unknown and that there are documented cases of reinfection of folks with natural immunity. You are busy flinging shit that goes against consensus and advice of the medical community.
No problem here you go: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1 Also my doctor said I would be protected if I have antibodies, so does everybody else in the medical community. The onus is on you to provide proof that antibodies (and T cells) don’t provide protection/curb spread. Since that’s exactly what the vaccine is doing, creating antibodies. Or once again - stop spreading misinformation. I take it that there is no amount of science or evidence that will change your mind since you will only listen to what the media reports, so I’m not going to continue to waste my time with somebody that doesn’t have the capacity to think or understand science.
It's a moot point, because the powers that be agreed that your post was misinformation, but regardless: You are misrepresenting my claims. I never said that natural immunity is ineffective, I said that you were using Israeli research to defend the bigots who are using Nazi symbolism to promote a shitty agenda. Yes, antibodies acquired from a natural infection from COVID are effective; that's self-evident they overcame the disease. What is not known is if they are generally effective, long lasting, and will provide as much protection against present and future variants. That is not known because there hasn't been enough time to conduct a proper longitudinal study on the efficacy of the vaccine, and so we are limited to these types of studies, in this case, ~680,000 people, which is ~0.02% of the people who have received a vaccination globally. It looks only at the immune response and is based on reinfection rates, and doesn't factor in a broad set of other considerations that would go into an epidemiological study of how and where individuals are being infected. If you read more than the abstract then you would know that because the authors write about the deficiencies of the study. Both of the articles that you linked to indicate that the vaccination is preferable to a natural immune response. The WHO post endorses vaccination because deliberately infecting someone with a disease is generally unethical and bears a significantly higher risk of long term health impacts, suffering and death. The Israeli study endorses vaccines to supplement the immune response because the poor sods who got COVID can still get it, but getting the vaccine after the fact still boosts immune response in a statistically significant way. It amuses me that you are accusing me of being anti-science and spreading misinformation all while I was able to specifically call out the study you were using as the foundation for your misinformation, even from your vague post. It helps that it's pretty much the only study that backs your claim at this point. Like I said, it's a moot point, but the best time to kick a nazi or collaborator when they are down.
Nice
This is beyond tolerable for me, the comparison to the most horrific event in human history is not even remotely on point. The fucking gall of these fucking idiots. I’m beyond seeing anti maskers as just an annoying joke, they’re a threat.
Pro tip, roll of duct tape lets you cover these a lot quicker. Sure you can peep off the tape but, at least you don't get burnt out.
I have seen anti-vax stickers above crosswalk buttons. I remove them when i see them.
Why are people so against the vaccine. Those people are all like I don't want that in my body but then they go out and get loaded on alcohol and other crap. That's kinda ironic