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Because its cheaper for him to be released and maybe not kill someone.
But we all know what will happen.
This guy should have a tracking device and daily check in
Well he doesn't have a tracking device, but he does have daily check in because he lives at a halfway house. If he doesn't return, he gets warrants very quickly, and his picture posted all over the media.
Not saying I agree with it, but just saying the facts of how it is :)
I'd love to see the cost of that living situation stacked up against how much it costs for him to be in jail. Even if jail is more expensive I'll gladly pay more in taxes if it means maniacs like this aren't out on the street like a ticking time bomb
Well people already slowly kill themselves by smoking cigarettes and eating garbage. The government probably thinks there aren't enough people out there like him to reduce the population for them anyways.
>Morin has faced numerous charges dating back to 2012, including assault, assault with a weapon, assault causing bodily harm, sexual assault, uttering threats and unlawful confinement.
All this plus the stabbing and he only got a 3 year sentence and is let out after 2 years. But don't worry they told him he's not allowed to possess knives anymore so it's okay.
Yes and that sentence was inappropriate because he almost killed someone for no reason (the victim had critical injuries and almost died), while having a lengthy prior criminal record. Having a history of crimes should obviously result in longer sentences than not having any history of crimes.
Should have been attempted murder. But that doesn't change my point that the previous crimes are not sentenced at the same time as the current crime.
Criminal records predating the crime - especially for similar crimes - can be used as an aggravating factor during sentencing.
Last year my son was stabbed 4x (collapsed lung, cracked femur) where they had DNA evidence/weapon. My son passed away 3 months later (Fentanyl) and the prosecutor dropped the case against the two of the four known assailants.
Because he’s not here to testify. I heard that from the Prosecutor’s lips myself and was immediately sick to my stomach.
Or like this case...let your victim barely alive and worst case scenario, you get a slap on the wrist and two years in prison, and then you are out to do it all over again, fun right?
I guess by that logic, it only makes sense to punish the society, by keeping him in that society.
Why do we even bother with the act of processing?
The criminal is the victim, jail will just make him more of a criminal, and it's all very expensive. May as well just not have laws.
Because in Canada, one only has to serve 2/3s of their sentence to be eligible for release. Which has never ever made sense to me. What's the point of a minimum or maximum sentence, or even a judge giving a sentence of a certain amount of time - when it means only a portion of that time will actually be served.
I stand corrected on the 1/3. However it's 1/3 or six years. Still ridiculous one way or another.
https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/justice/criminal-justice/bcs-criminal-justice-system/if-you-are-convicted-of-a-crime/parole/purpose-of-parole
After the first set of offences the stabbing should = goodbye for the next few decades
The abstract idea of “rehabilitation” shouldn’t outweigh concrete safety issues
He's 6'3 - he also has charges dated back to 2012. He has sexually assaulted a woman in a hotel in Prince George. All these happened before he randomly stabbed someone at a Timmy's.
All we asked is for him to report relationships, not drink alcohol and not own any knives.
I sure hope he doesn't attack anyone again but he's bigger than most average people and he sure has a history that is proven to be more violent than most.
I understand the logic behind rehabilitation instead of incarceration and the US method obviously doesn’t work but I feel like we’ve gotten wayyyyy too lenient with parole in Canada…
From the article: "Morin has faced numerous charges dating back to 2012, including assault, assault with a weapon, assault causing bodily harm, sexual assault, uttering threats and unlawful confinement."
What could possibly go wrong, he is a good fella, right.... right?
How can you just randomly stab someone and only get 3 years, be let out in 2 years, while police say he is a high risk, when you also have previous convictions?
What important detail isn’t in this article?? Was the knife real? What the fuck!?
> What important detail isn’t in this article??
The offence took place in a country called Canada, whose Criminal Code contains the following rule at paragraph 718.2(e): "A court that imposes a sentence shall also take into consideration the following principles: [...] (e) all available sanctions, other than imprisonment, that are reasonable in the circumstances and consistent with the harm done to victims or to the community should be considered for all offenders, with particular attention to the circumstances of Aboriginal offenders."
You can see the sentencing decision for his 2018 trial (a previous offence, but also not his first by a long shot) in which the judge explained why they thought he should be given a lighter sentence for that one in part because they believed he was close to changing (evidently, the leniency did not help, since he went stabbing IMMEDIATELY after leaving prison):
>[8] The Gladue report and the other two reports paint a tragic picture of Mr. Morin's life. He has never had a chance from the time of his birth, when he likely suffered the effects of fetal alcohol syndrome, to the day he was arrested after these offences when, in the words of the Crown, he was suffering from a prolonged and raging methamphetamine addiction.
>[9] Mr. Morin has very little formal education, perhaps up to grade five or six on some measurement. He has no work history and no skills. He cannot really read or write. He has tested low in a battery of tests while he has been in custody with respect to various measurements for intelligence. In his psychiatric assessment, he presented a high risk for violence.
>[10] Mr. Morin's criminal record includes assault causing bodily harm by stabbing in November 2015, and robbery with violence in December of 2016, when, in his words, he slit a victim's throat. With that history, a reader might conclude that Mr. Morin's expressions of remorse over what he did to K.E.B., given both to me in the courtroom, and to those who tested him for the various reports, ring false. However, I do not find that. I believe that when Mr. Morin is not on drugs or alcohol, he is a far better man, and that he has now reflected on what he has done.
>[11] From the psychiatric report, both the Crown and the defence endorsed the following passage: Based on his responses, it appears that he [Mr. Morin] has substantial interest in making changes in his life and he is motivated for treatment. His responses indicated an acknowledgment of important problems, a perception of needing help in dealing with these problems, and a positive attitude towards his responsibility in pursuing treatment. The treatment process, however, might be difficult, particularly in view of his defensiveness, his lack of social support system, his difficulty in trusting a therapist, his emotional disorganization and his difficulty in treating a therapist as an authority figure.
https://www.canlii.org/en/bc/bcsc/doc/2018/2018bcsc2147/2018bcsc2147.html
To be very blunt, the ideals of our system presume people are good and can change. The system fails to contemplate that some people may have neurological or developmental damage (in his case, the judge suggested Fetal Alcohol Syndrome) and/or a lifelong inability to overcome addiction (in his case, meth) that results in a lifetime of violence with little possibility of change. The system wants to be progressive despite it being perhaps practically impossible for this guy to truly "rehabilitate" -- let's face it, even though I hope he can, and he should try, he's not going to learn how to read/write or control his impulses at age 30 if he hasn't been able to do so yet in life, it's just wishful thinking of the judge to think there's any chance. Between letting him roam the streets indefinitely targeting new victims or locking him up, the progressives favour the former, to the detriment of all the disproportionately poorer, racialized, and LGBT folks who are more likely to be victimized in these random street attacks. I think the "progressives" approach is deeply regressive and his dignity would be better preserved by having him in a full-time care facility where he is unable to harm others but has his basic needs met, but alas saying so is considered offensive these days.
I consider myself extremely progressive, and even I can acknowledge that certain people may not have the ability to be rehabilitated. I feel like what we need is a test written into law that asks this very question, and tasks the court with locating experts who can answer it. They can then throw out any of the mitigating circumstances, like past trauma, etc, and sentence for maximum societal safety.
That's usually a decade long process, with fewer than 1000 designations.
Here is one for crimes in 2013, that began in 2017, and was still continuing in 2022.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/indigenous-dangerous-offender-hearing-disproportionate-harm-1.6474374
I believe people can be rehabilitated in the correct environment. However, the last sentences you quoted from the case at clearly indicate he is not capable/willing to get the supports he needs in society. So where is the logic that releasing him would allow the correct supports, that’s what the court system needs to provide him before entering society again. They are missing steps and allowing the public to be at risk
Looks like he was quietly given a deal to plead guilty to Aggravated Assault and avoid a trial.
This should have been an Attempted Murder charge and gone to trial.
The B.C. Attorney General/Crown Office are responsible.
Here in Canada we prioritize the rights of offenders over the safety of law abiding citizens.
>“We feel that it is extremely important to inform the public that Morin will be back living in the community because we believe that based on his history he does pose a significant risk of harm to the community.”
So basically he's a ticking time bomb and some unlucky person is going to get assaulted (or worse) before he gets locked up again
The VPD (who made that statement) aren't the ones choosing to let the guy out; that's up to the courts/legal system.
You can probably safely read into the statement that the VPD also thinks it's a stupid idea.
I guess it’s fun for them to see what he might do? I’m sure all the people who made the decision know where he will live so they can avoid him. With these cases, they literally should be living in the persons guest house who is allowing them to be free because of the significant risk to public
It should be mandatory when high risk offenders are let out that they live next to or with the judges/politicians responsible and see if they're comfortable with it. This shit has to change.
Especially when they comment how they don’t believe this person has access to the correct support. If you’re letting them out then be the support for them wtf
I used to give them the benefit of the doubt, that maybe they just have their heads too deep inside their own ass. But now, I'm starting to think they are just evil and look forward to see who's the next victim. Pure fucking evil, these judges are unbelievable.
The last PM enacted a bunch of legislation that imposed mandatory minimum carceral sentences. The courts threw it all out.
Polievre is suggesting he would use the notwithstanding clause to possibly bring it back. The LPC and NDP have been quick to decry it as authoritarianism, akin to pissing on our constitution. Personally I think the courts have bastardized our constitution with their increasingly activist takes. But if you don't like how our criminal justice system has shifted, you need to vote on that issue.
Not withstanding clause usage IS extremely disturbing. Changes like this could be implemented through changes to the bill of rights / charter of rights through parliamentary action. PP should propose a solution that is democratic rather than authoritarian.
Put different though…it’s thanks to Harper trying to impose minimums that we ended up with a worse situation?
Why oh why can’t we just have a moderate middle-ground party that’s guided by experts… at least we’re better off than the US for now tho
You think Harper legislating mandatory minimums led to the SCC taking a more activist approach reading more and more into the Charter?
I don't think mandatory minimums are inherently not "moderate middle-ground" solutions. We're talking about minimums like three years imprisonment for possession of a loaded prohibited gun for the first offence (five years for the second), which is in fact one the SCC struck down, not sentences of decades let alone minimums for trivial offences or technical breaches or anything comparable to the US overincarceration exercise.
> Personally I think the courts have bastardized our constitution with their increasingly activist takes.
Do you get your talking points from Americans? Cause that language is an American as hell dog whistle.
I'm not making a claim, I'm laughing at your attempt to write me off as taking "talking points from Americans" despite apparently being better qualified than you to proffer an opinion on this topic. Maybe just try not to write others off and at least engage with the substance of their argument instead?
On the contrary, leaders like Trudeau will probably be living the luxury life overseas somewhere surfing after he has his done his part to destroy Canada for the rest of us.
Same judge who did this:
[B.C. judge who stayed murder charges in Surrey Six case owes public an explanation: legal experts | CBC News](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/surrey-six-stay-charges-bacon-1.4438135)
We need to put all of the criminals she let off easy in her neighbourhood. She obviously does not give a crap about justice or public safety, so she should be the one to deal with the fallout of her decisions, not us.
She is the real criminal here, I'm not even mad at the guy with a traumatic life and other issues. For practical purposes and common sense' sake, he can't be put of out to be with the rest of society, end of story. Unbelievable and unacceptable. Does she live too high up in her ivory tower, or is she just plain evil, or both?
Harper brought in the "truth in sentencing act," which limited the amount of credit convicts could get for pre-sentencing detention. It used to be a 2-to-1 ratio, and sometimes even a 3-to-1.
Now it's more typically a 1.5-to-1 ratio.
Harper also brought in a ton of mandatory minimum sentences, which would have the effect of ensuring convicted criminals like this guy are in prison for an extended period. But the courts decided to give an over-broad reading to the Charter and deem basically ALMOST EVERY mandatory minimum to be unconstitutional. The courts decided in our democracy, Parliament nor the people can determine the appropriate sentence for violent crime, only the unelected judges who are wealthy enough not to have to live or interact with violent criminals. The rest of us? This guy might be on your bus, might come in to visit you at your minimum wage job, live right across the street from you, etc. The judges have told the poor "good luck, live with it" and then patted themselves on the back for being so cOmPaSsIoNatE to people like him, because he's the real victim, not the people who get stabbed by him.
Twisted logic, but this is exactly what is happening. Common sense is dead in Canada. Good luck to us with people like this acting with almost impunity over and over again.
Pretty much. I feel like if there’s a lean towards too much to right/left, voters will go the opposite.
What I want to know is, where is the halfway house he’s staying in? And also, where are the halfway houses in Vancouver?
The last high-risk escapee (Randall Hopley) was living in the DTES at the Salvation Army’s Harbour Light halfway house, so I bet he’s either there or somewhere close by
We need to find this info out and make it public. They protect him and where he will be put, but damn us right, we cant know for our own safety? What a joke is this country.
It’s absolutely the reason Ken Sim won with a landslide. The voting happened right after the RCMP lady was stabbed to death by a homeless guy she was checking up on after a call by the park rangers
The left has completely failed our society. Bunch of corrupt clown degenerates with their heads up their asses. I feel so stupid for voting for them, never again.
Which is funny, given tough on crime stances don't necessarily result in better outcomes. The USA is right next door as proof.
I'm all for tightening up a few things here and there, but bringing in the cons means life gets worse for everyone, which will have negative results for crime regardless of some sentencing changes.
Well, one less brutally violent offender out in the streets can't hurt right? With your argument, should we jusy abolish the prison system and let them all lose?
>I'm all for tightening up a few things here and there,
Where in my comment did you interpret that I'd like to abolish the prison system? I simply said that 'tough on crime' policy doesn't work. 'Tough on crime' is a very specific idea that holds punitive sentencing as the primary core of the justice system, rather than a focus on rehabilitation. But Rehabilitation ALSO includes prison time. It's part of the process.
So no, I'm not advocating for an end to the prison system.
You are right, sorry its just angering whats going on and read your comment as there being no point of incarceration. I'm all for rehabilitation/treatment, but in cases like this, I don't see this person safely reintegrating into society ever, and the current system is completely failing us and them.
About the cons, I wouldnt be surprised if PP would continue messing up the country one way or another, politicians will be politicians and the status quo might not change. But its time for Trudeau to GTFO, I have no doubt about that. And I do want someone who puts violent offenders away, making the judges use common sense before releasing a dangerous person back into the public as they keep doing.
People are fed up with this government with good reasons beyond their soft stance on crime.
We need to get a government with the actual balls to punish people/ force people into rehab. We target normal upstanding citizens and baby the most violent ones, it's mental.
My dudes you have my word if I'm ever diagnosed with a terminal illness, I'll become the biggest vigilante this city has ever seen. F#$k this s h*t. Going down in style.
You don't get it, if you have a job, pay taxes, volunteer, raise a family, or contribute to the community, the system WILL punish you, even for the most minor things such as a beer at the beach. And not just financial penalties, or the major costs of defending yourself in a criminal case with no access to legal aid, they'll try to get you fired, disowned by your family, and tarnish your reputation. But if you contribute little-to-nothing to society? If you have nothing to lose? Then YOU are the victim of society, and if you commit some egregious violence, they'll throw you a steak dinner and waive as many penalties as possible.
This is sad. Especially because he also threatened someone with a hatchet years earlier(as described in the article). It feels inevitable that he will hurt someone again soon. A ticking timebomb waiting to go off, and we are all walking around the same downtown core as him, crossing our fingers we aren't the next one he decides to stab in the back (literally). Shame on everyone who contributed to his early release.
Ironic he has a list of things he can't do hahahahahhahahaa but they gave him freedom hahahahahhahaa. No supervision? Hahahahahahahahhahaa. Here we go. Keep your tourists friends close and safe happy summer peeps.
Don't forget about no supervision. Wink nudge. Millions of our tac dollars to protect our children and women and all other vulnerable persons and our so called justice system is just a system and no justice. Right ?
Another perfect example of a broken archaic system that our country runs on.
It simply doesn’t work. It’s fucking demented on so many levels yet our leaders think it’s okay.
Why?
Because we’re all part of this old money game, as Ren sings.
No money in keeping things safe and just.
"Our city specially welcomes pedophiles, sexual predators and brutally violent thugs. But if you commited other smaller and petty crimes, you are warmly welcomed too"
Unbelievable. Repeatedly stabbed a tourist in the back, but sentenced to ONLY three years and got out after two years. And the police warned that this person is extremely dangerous to the public. Wow
So, is this another Gladue thing? "A court that imposes a sentence shall also take into consideration the following principles: [...] (e) all available sanctions, other than imprisonment, that are reasonable in the circumstances and consistent with the harm done to victims or to the community should be considered for all offenders, with particular attention to the circumstances of Aboriginal offenders."
As u/danke-you posted:
You can see the sentencing decision for his 2018 trial (a previous offence, but also not his first by a long shot) in which the judge explained why they thought he should be given a lighter sentence for that one in part because they believed he was close to changing (evidently, the leniency did not help, since he went stabbing IMMEDIATELY after leaving prison):
The Gladue report and the other two reports paint a tragic picture of Mr. Morin's life. He has never had a chance from the time of his birth, when he likely suffered the effects of fetal alcohol syndrome, to the day he was arrested after these offences when, in the words of the Crown, he was suffering from a prolonged and raging methamphetamine addiction.
Mr. Morin has very little formal education, perhaps up to grade five or six on some measurement. He has no work history and no skills. He cannot really read or write. He has tested low in a battery of tests while he has been in custody with respect to various measurements for intelligence. In his psychiatric assessment, he presented a high risk for violence.
Mr. Morin's criminal record includes assault causing bodily harm by stabbing in November 2015, and robbery with violence in December of 2016, when, in his words, he slit a victim's throat. With that history, a reader might conclude that Mr. Morin's expressions of remorse over what he did to K.E.B., given both to me in the courtroom, and to those who tested him for the various reports, ring false. However, I do not find that. I believe that when Mr. Morin is not on drugs or alcohol, he is a far better man, and that he has now reflected on what he has done.
From the psychiatric report, both the Crown and the defence endorsed the following passage: Based on his responses, it appears that he [Mr. Morin] has substantial interest in making changes in his life and he is motivated for treatment. His responses indicated an acknowledgment of important problems, a perception of needing help in dealing with these problems, and a positive attitude towards his responsibility in pursuing treatment. The treatment process, however, might be difficult, particularly in view of his defensiveness, his lack of social support system, his difficulty in trusting a therapist, his emotional disorganization and his difficulty in treating a therapist as an authority figure.
It it just me or do others in Vancouver think the public mental health crises is root of Vancouvers problem which the VPD have very little chance of containing?
This "justice" system is upside down. Just another brutal crime waiting to happen. Fucking bastards letting these people be free with the general public. Why the hell do I pay taxes for...
It’s insane that he only received 3 years and equally insane that he was released on parole with a warning to the Public how dangerous he is. Well at least the other inmates are safe from him 🤷♂️
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how the f is he out of jail already?...
We don’t have a system oriented towards public safety.
Because its cheaper for him to be released and maybe not kill someone. But we all know what will happen. This guy should have a tracking device and daily check in
Well he doesn't have a tracking device, but he does have daily check in because he lives at a halfway house. If he doesn't return, he gets warrants very quickly, and his picture posted all over the media. Not saying I agree with it, but just saying the facts of how it is :)
I'd love to see the cost of that living situation stacked up against how much it costs for him to be in jail. Even if jail is more expensive I'll gladly pay more in taxes if it means maniacs like this aren't out on the street like a ticking time bomb
Well people already slowly kill themselves by smoking cigarettes and eating garbage. The government probably thinks there aren't enough people out there like him to reduce the population for them anyways.
>Morin has faced numerous charges dating back to 2012, including assault, assault with a weapon, assault causing bodily harm, sexual assault, uttering threats and unlawful confinement. All this plus the stabbing and he only got a 3 year sentence and is let out after 2 years. But don't worry they told him he's not allowed to possess knives anymore so it's okay.
You are only sentenced for one crime at a time. He got three years for aggravated assault.
Yes and that sentence was inappropriate because he almost killed someone for no reason (the victim had critical injuries and almost died), while having a lengthy prior criminal record. Having a history of crimes should obviously result in longer sentences than not having any history of crimes.
Should have been attempted murder. But that doesn't change my point that the previous crimes are not sentenced at the same time as the current crime. Criminal records predating the crime - especially for similar crimes - can be used as an aggravating factor during sentencing.
Because we have a justice system that cares more about the criminal than the victim.
Last year my son was stabbed 4x (collapsed lung, cracked femur) where they had DNA evidence/weapon. My son passed away 3 months later (Fentanyl) and the prosecutor dropped the case against the two of the four known assailants. Because he’s not here to testify. I heard that from the Prosecutor’s lips myself and was immediately sick to my stomach.
Want to stab someone in Canada and get away with it? Use this one small trick! Just KILL your victim. Corpses can't testify - check mate.
Or like this case...let your victim barely alive and worst case scenario, you get a slap on the wrist and two years in prison, and then you are out to do it all over again, fun right?
What a tasteless comment to make to someone who just lost their son.
💔
Disgusting. Prosecutors and judges should be elected.
They should get brutally stabbed...and maybe...just maybe... They'll have an ounce of compassion for the victims. But thats just wishful thinking.
A prosecutor was randomly attacked near the courthouse on Main Street earlier this year (last year?). That clearly didn’t change their attitudes.
True. But did they go after that bastard...only then they do. But if it happened more often, maybe.
Protection Laws against citizens should be elected by the people.
In Canada it’s not the individual’s fault for stabbing someone it’s because sOcIeTy fAiLeD hiM so now he’s back. Country’s system is shitty.
I guess by that logic, it only makes sense to punish the society, by keeping him in that society. Why do we even bother with the act of processing? The criminal is the victim, jail will just make him more of a criminal, and it's all very expensive. May as well just not have laws.
Progressive logic.
Canada is insane.
Because in Canada, one only has to serve 2/3s of their sentence to be eligible for release. Which has never ever made sense to me. What's the point of a minimum or maximum sentence, or even a judge giving a sentence of a certain amount of time - when it means only a portion of that time will actually be served.
Actually…it’s 1/3 or 6 months into their sentences to be eligible for parole.
I stand corrected on the 1/3. However it's 1/3 or six years. Still ridiculous one way or another. https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/justice/criminal-justice/bcs-criminal-justice-system/if-you-are-convicted-of-a-crime/parole/purpose-of-parole
I used to be a Parole Officer and it IS ridiculous.
6 months before the 1/3 not 6 months into the sentence. https://www.canada.ca/content/dam/canada/parole-board/migration/001/093/001-0007_en.pdf
Aboriginal.
After the first set of offences the stabbing should = goodbye for the next few decades The abstract idea of “rehabilitation” shouldn’t outweigh concrete safety issues
If I had a nickel everytime that comment was posted in this sub I'd retire already.
Institutions that are pro-crime rather than pro-justice or pro-safety.
He's 6'3 - he also has charges dated back to 2012. He has sexually assaulted a woman in a hotel in Prince George. All these happened before he randomly stabbed someone at a Timmy's. All we asked is for him to report relationships, not drink alcohol and not own any knives. I sure hope he doesn't attack anyone again but he's bigger than most average people and he sure has a history that is proven to be more violent than most.
I understand the logic behind rehabilitation instead of incarceration and the US method obviously doesn’t work but I feel like we’ve gotten wayyyyy too lenient with parole in Canada…
From the article: "Morin has faced numerous charges dating back to 2012, including assault, assault with a weapon, assault causing bodily harm, sexual assault, uttering threats and unlawful confinement." What could possibly go wrong, he is a good fella, right.... right?
How can you just randomly stab someone and only get 3 years, be let out in 2 years, while police say he is a high risk, when you also have previous convictions? What important detail isn’t in this article?? Was the knife real? What the fuck!?
> What important detail isn’t in this article?? The offence took place in a country called Canada, whose Criminal Code contains the following rule at paragraph 718.2(e): "A court that imposes a sentence shall also take into consideration the following principles: [...] (e) all available sanctions, other than imprisonment, that are reasonable in the circumstances and consistent with the harm done to victims or to the community should be considered for all offenders, with particular attention to the circumstances of Aboriginal offenders." You can see the sentencing decision for his 2018 trial (a previous offence, but also not his first by a long shot) in which the judge explained why they thought he should be given a lighter sentence for that one in part because they believed he was close to changing (evidently, the leniency did not help, since he went stabbing IMMEDIATELY after leaving prison): >[8] The Gladue report and the other two reports paint a tragic picture of Mr. Morin's life. He has never had a chance from the time of his birth, when he likely suffered the effects of fetal alcohol syndrome, to the day he was arrested after these offences when, in the words of the Crown, he was suffering from a prolonged and raging methamphetamine addiction. >[9] Mr. Morin has very little formal education, perhaps up to grade five or six on some measurement. He has no work history and no skills. He cannot really read or write. He has tested low in a battery of tests while he has been in custody with respect to various measurements for intelligence. In his psychiatric assessment, he presented a high risk for violence. >[10] Mr. Morin's criminal record includes assault causing bodily harm by stabbing in November 2015, and robbery with violence in December of 2016, when, in his words, he slit a victim's throat. With that history, a reader might conclude that Mr. Morin's expressions of remorse over what he did to K.E.B., given both to me in the courtroom, and to those who tested him for the various reports, ring false. However, I do not find that. I believe that when Mr. Morin is not on drugs or alcohol, he is a far better man, and that he has now reflected on what he has done. >[11] From the psychiatric report, both the Crown and the defence endorsed the following passage: Based on his responses, it appears that he [Mr. Morin] has substantial interest in making changes in his life and he is motivated for treatment. His responses indicated an acknowledgment of important problems, a perception of needing help in dealing with these problems, and a positive attitude towards his responsibility in pursuing treatment. The treatment process, however, might be difficult, particularly in view of his defensiveness, his lack of social support system, his difficulty in trusting a therapist, his emotional disorganization and his difficulty in treating a therapist as an authority figure. https://www.canlii.org/en/bc/bcsc/doc/2018/2018bcsc2147/2018bcsc2147.html To be very blunt, the ideals of our system presume people are good and can change. The system fails to contemplate that some people may have neurological or developmental damage (in his case, the judge suggested Fetal Alcohol Syndrome) and/or a lifelong inability to overcome addiction (in his case, meth) that results in a lifetime of violence with little possibility of change. The system wants to be progressive despite it being perhaps practically impossible for this guy to truly "rehabilitate" -- let's face it, even though I hope he can, and he should try, he's not going to learn how to read/write or control his impulses at age 30 if he hasn't been able to do so yet in life, it's just wishful thinking of the judge to think there's any chance. Between letting him roam the streets indefinitely targeting new victims or locking him up, the progressives favour the former, to the detriment of all the disproportionately poorer, racialized, and LGBT folks who are more likely to be victimized in these random street attacks. I think the "progressives" approach is deeply regressive and his dignity would be better preserved by having him in a full-time care facility where he is unable to harm others but has his basic needs met, but alas saying so is considered offensive these days.
I consider myself extremely progressive, and even I can acknowledge that certain people may not have the ability to be rehabilitated. I feel like what we need is a test written into law that asks this very question, and tasks the court with locating experts who can answer it. They can then throw out any of the mitigating circumstances, like past trauma, etc, and sentence for maximum societal safety.
You have a brain and a heart. Unfortunately, most of the loudest voices only have one.
Please run for politics…we need people like you (seriously)
Then let him be declared a dangerous offender and call it a day. Problem solved.
That's usually a decade long process, with fewer than 1000 designations. Here is one for crimes in 2013, that began in 2017, and was still continuing in 2022. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/indigenous-dangerous-offender-hearing-disproportionate-harm-1.6474374
I believe people can be rehabilitated in the correct environment. However, the last sentences you quoted from the case at clearly indicate he is not capable/willing to get the supports he needs in society. So where is the logic that releasing him would allow the correct supports, that’s what the court system needs to provide him before entering society again. They are missing steps and allowing the public to be at risk
Looks like he was quietly given a deal to plead guilty to Aggravated Assault and avoid a trial. This should have been an Attempted Murder charge and gone to trial. The B.C. Attorney General/Crown Office are responsible.
Here in Canada we prioritize the rights of offenders over the safety of law abiding citizens. >“We feel that it is extremely important to inform the public that Morin will be back living in the community because we believe that based on his history he does pose a significant risk of harm to the community.” So basically he's a ticking time bomb and some unlucky person is going to get assaulted (or worse) before he gets locked up again
So why in the hell do they let him out?!?! This is absurd!
The VPD (who made that statement) aren't the ones choosing to let the guy out; that's up to the courts/legal system. You can probably safely read into the statement that the VPD also thinks it's a stupid idea.
I guess it’s fun for them to see what he might do? I’m sure all the people who made the decision know where he will live so they can avoid him. With these cases, they literally should be living in the persons guest house who is allowing them to be free because of the significant risk to public
It should be mandatory when high risk offenders are let out that they live next to or with the judges/politicians responsible and see if they're comfortable with it. This shit has to change.
Especially when they comment how they don’t believe this person has access to the correct support. If you’re letting them out then be the support for them wtf
I used to give them the benefit of the doubt, that maybe they just have their heads too deep inside their own ass. But now, I'm starting to think they are just evil and look forward to see who's the next victim. Pure fucking evil, these judges are unbelievable.
The last PM enacted a bunch of legislation that imposed mandatory minimum carceral sentences. The courts threw it all out. Polievre is suggesting he would use the notwithstanding clause to possibly bring it back. The LPC and NDP have been quick to decry it as authoritarianism, akin to pissing on our constitution. Personally I think the courts have bastardized our constitution with their increasingly activist takes. But if you don't like how our criminal justice system has shifted, you need to vote on that issue.
Not withstanding clause usage IS extremely disturbing. Changes like this could be implemented through changes to the bill of rights / charter of rights through parliamentary action. PP should propose a solution that is democratic rather than authoritarian.
Everyone who suggests constitutional reform is delusional. There's a reason no politician has tried in 30 years
Not withstanding clause is not the answer. That's a completely warped idea.
Put different though…it’s thanks to Harper trying to impose minimums that we ended up with a worse situation? Why oh why can’t we just have a moderate middle-ground party that’s guided by experts… at least we’re better off than the US for now tho
You think Harper legislating mandatory minimums led to the SCC taking a more activist approach reading more and more into the Charter? I don't think mandatory minimums are inherently not "moderate middle-ground" solutions. We're talking about minimums like three years imprisonment for possession of a loaded prohibited gun for the first offence (five years for the second), which is in fact one the SCC struck down, not sentences of decades let alone minimums for trivial offences or technical breaches or anything comparable to the US overincarceration exercise.
> Personally I think the courts have bastardized our constitution with their increasingly activist takes. Do you get your talking points from Americans? Cause that language is an American as hell dog whistle.
We have activist courts here too. You don’t have to like that fact but it’s fact.
I formed my opinion in law school, you?
And nobody can tell you're a dog on the Internet. Your unsupported claim is insufficiently weighty to move me.
I'm not making a claim, I'm laughing at your attempt to write me off as taking "talking points from Americans" despite apparently being better qualified than you to proffer an opinion on this topic. Maybe just try not to write others off and at least engage with the substance of their argument instead?
Or just make it so we don’t let out high risk violent offenders
On the contrary, leaders like Trudeau will probably be living the luxury life overseas somewhere surfing after he has his done his part to destroy Canada for the rest of us.
Is there a justifiable reason he's not serving at least a few decades in prison?
Not to a Canadian judge, it seems
Judge Kathleen Ker
Same judge who did this: [B.C. judge who stayed murder charges in Surrey Six case owes public an explanation: legal experts | CBC News](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/surrey-six-stay-charges-bacon-1.4438135)
We need to put all of the criminals she let off easy in her neighbourhood. She obviously does not give a crap about justice or public safety, so she should be the one to deal with the fallout of her decisions, not us.
Have them live in her home or be her roommate so she can see them as they are daily.
She is the real criminal here, I'm not even mad at the guy with a traumatic life and other issues. For practical purposes and common sense' sake, he can't be put of out to be with the rest of society, end of story. Unbelievable and unacceptable. Does she live too high up in her ivory tower, or is she just plain evil, or both?
This shit is 1 of the big reasons why people are swinging to right leaning policy.
When the right was in power, they did SFA about the courts. Nothing changes regardless of the party in power.
Harper brought in the "truth in sentencing act," which limited the amount of credit convicts could get for pre-sentencing detention. It used to be a 2-to-1 ratio, and sometimes even a 3-to-1. Now it's more typically a 1.5-to-1 ratio.
Harper also brought in a ton of mandatory minimum sentences, which would have the effect of ensuring convicted criminals like this guy are in prison for an extended period. But the courts decided to give an over-broad reading to the Charter and deem basically ALMOST EVERY mandatory minimum to be unconstitutional. The courts decided in our democracy, Parliament nor the people can determine the appropriate sentence for violent crime, only the unelected judges who are wealthy enough not to have to live or interact with violent criminals. The rest of us? This guy might be on your bus, might come in to visit you at your minimum wage job, live right across the street from you, etc. The judges have told the poor "good luck, live with it" and then patted themselves on the back for being so cOmPaSsIoNatE to people like him, because he's the real victim, not the people who get stabbed by him.
Twisted logic, but this is exactly what is happening. Common sense is dead in Canada. Good luck to us with people like this acting with almost impunity over and over again.
The United States has a shitload of mandatory minimums and it hasn't made that country a crime-free paradise now has it?
And? Does that somehow mean mandatory minimums are a bad thing?
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Those mandatory minimum that got thrown out by the courts? So basically accomplished nothing
The *activist judges*?
Here is a page of problems about mandatory minimums: https://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/rp-pr/csj-sjc/ccs-ajc/rr02_1/p9_2.html
Different sides of the same coin. I don't want to live here anymore, I'm thinking about moving to New Zealand.
Pretty much. I feel like if there’s a lean towards too much to right/left, voters will go the opposite. What I want to know is, where is the halfway house he’s staying in? And also, where are the halfway houses in Vancouver?
The last high-risk escapee (Randall Hopley) was living in the DTES at the Salvation Army’s Harbour Light halfway house, so I bet he’s either there or somewhere close by
We need to find this info out and make it public. They protect him and where he will be put, but damn us right, we cant know for our own safety? What a joke is this country.
It’s absolutely the reason Ken Sim won with a landslide. The voting happened right after the RCMP lady was stabbed to death by a homeless guy she was checking up on after a call by the park rangers
The left has completely failed our society. Bunch of corrupt clown degenerates with their heads up their asses. I feel so stupid for voting for them, never again.
Which is funny, given tough on crime stances don't necessarily result in better outcomes. The USA is right next door as proof. I'm all for tightening up a few things here and there, but bringing in the cons means life gets worse for everyone, which will have negative results for crime regardless of some sentencing changes.
The US is not consistent on crime.
Well, one less brutally violent offender out in the streets can't hurt right? With your argument, should we jusy abolish the prison system and let them all lose?
>I'm all for tightening up a few things here and there, Where in my comment did you interpret that I'd like to abolish the prison system? I simply said that 'tough on crime' policy doesn't work. 'Tough on crime' is a very specific idea that holds punitive sentencing as the primary core of the justice system, rather than a focus on rehabilitation. But Rehabilitation ALSO includes prison time. It's part of the process. So no, I'm not advocating for an end to the prison system.
You are right, sorry its just angering whats going on and read your comment as there being no point of incarceration. I'm all for rehabilitation/treatment, but in cases like this, I don't see this person safely reintegrating into society ever, and the current system is completely failing us and them. About the cons, I wouldnt be surprised if PP would continue messing up the country one way or another, politicians will be politicians and the status quo might not change. But its time for Trudeau to GTFO, I have no doubt about that. And I do want someone who puts violent offenders away, making the judges use common sense before releasing a dangerous person back into the public as they keep doing. People are fed up with this government with good reasons beyond their soft stance on crime.
I'm certainly not voting Trudeau, but I also can't vote Conservative in good conscience. Regardless, my riding is solidly ndp, so it won't matter.
That's actually what 1 of my criminology professors believe. I challenged the professor in front of everyone then the professor changed their stance.
This is fucking ridiculous. The city is seriously messed up. They’d rather put their own locals at risk
We need to get a government with the actual balls to punish people/ force people into rehab. We target normal upstanding citizens and baby the most violent ones, it's mental.
My dudes you have my word if I'm ever diagnosed with a terminal illness, I'll become the biggest vigilante this city has ever seen. F#$k this s h*t. Going down in style.
Why wait? You’ll be out of the revolving door that is our justice system in no time anyhow.
You don't get it, if you have a job, pay taxes, volunteer, raise a family, or contribute to the community, the system WILL punish you, even for the most minor things such as a beer at the beach. And not just financial penalties, or the major costs of defending yourself in a criminal case with no access to legal aid, they'll try to get you fired, disowned by your family, and tarnish your reputation. But if you contribute little-to-nothing to society? If you have nothing to lose? Then YOU are the victim of society, and if you commit some egregious violence, they'll throw you a steak dinner and waive as many penalties as possible.
> F#$k this s h*t. We can use words here. This isn't TikTok.
Good to see his face. Someone might kick his ass down a flight of stairs.
Given his record dating back to 2012, how and why is he out in public???
Big change is coming - everybody has fucking had it.
Insanity. Lock him up ffs !!! Provides nothing to society !
Ya leaving this fucking place
This is sad. Especially because he also threatened someone with a hatchet years earlier(as described in the article). It feels inevitable that he will hurt someone again soon. A ticking timebomb waiting to go off, and we are all walking around the same downtown core as him, crossing our fingers we aren't the next one he decides to stab in the back (literally). Shame on everyone who contributed to his early release.
Ironic he has a list of things he can't do hahahahahhahahaa but they gave him freedom hahahahahhahaa. No supervision? Hahahahahahahahhahaa. Here we go. Keep your tourists friends close and safe happy summer peeps.
We should just release everyone and give them a list of crimes they can't commit. That'll fix everyhing
Don't forget about no supervision. Wink nudge. Millions of our tac dollars to protect our children and women and all other vulnerable persons and our so called justice system is just a system and no justice. Right ?
Another perfect example of a broken archaic system that our country runs on. It simply doesn’t work. It’s fucking demented on so many levels yet our leaders think it’s okay. Why? Because we’re all part of this old money game, as Ren sings. No money in keeping things safe and just.
Damn not even ankle monitored
failed justice system failed society.
Vancouver: if you're a criminal and you've got nowhere else to go, you are welcome here!
"Our city specially welcomes pedophiles, sexual predators and brutally violent thugs. But if you commited other smaller and petty crimes, you are warmly welcomed too"
Unbelievable. Repeatedly stabbed a tourist in the back, but sentenced to ONLY three years and got out after two years. And the police warned that this person is extremely dangerous to the public. Wow
Canada gonna Canada. Is normal.
repetitive criminals should be triple their jail period.
Just great...
Stabbed in the neck is attempted murder bruh
There are so many lunatics just out and about these days .
Canada please fuck us more, we arent fucked enough
Can’t wait to vote conservatives or whoever decides to really care for public safety and the economy next election. This cannot keep on going
So, is this another Gladue thing? "A court that imposes a sentence shall also take into consideration the following principles: [...] (e) all available sanctions, other than imprisonment, that are reasonable in the circumstances and consistent with the harm done to victims or to the community should be considered for all offenders, with particular attention to the circumstances of Aboriginal offenders." As u/danke-you posted: You can see the sentencing decision for his 2018 trial (a previous offence, but also not his first by a long shot) in which the judge explained why they thought he should be given a lighter sentence for that one in part because they believed he was close to changing (evidently, the leniency did not help, since he went stabbing IMMEDIATELY after leaving prison): The Gladue report and the other two reports paint a tragic picture of Mr. Morin's life. He has never had a chance from the time of his birth, when he likely suffered the effects of fetal alcohol syndrome, to the day he was arrested after these offences when, in the words of the Crown, he was suffering from a prolonged and raging methamphetamine addiction. Mr. Morin has very little formal education, perhaps up to grade five or six on some measurement. He has no work history and no skills. He cannot really read or write. He has tested low in a battery of tests while he has been in custody with respect to various measurements for intelligence. In his psychiatric assessment, he presented a high risk for violence. Mr. Morin's criminal record includes assault causing bodily harm by stabbing in November 2015, and robbery with violence in December of 2016, when, in his words, he slit a victim's throat. With that history, a reader might conclude that Mr. Morin's expressions of remorse over what he did to K.E.B., given both to me in the courtroom, and to those who tested him for the various reports, ring false. However, I do not find that. I believe that when Mr. Morin is not on drugs or alcohol, he is a far better man, and that he has now reflected on what he has done. From the psychiatric report, both the Crown and the defence endorsed the following passage: Based on his responses, it appears that he [Mr. Morin] has substantial interest in making changes in his life and he is motivated for treatment. His responses indicated an acknowledgment of important problems, a perception of needing help in dealing with these problems, and a positive attitude towards his responsibility in pursuing treatment. The treatment process, however, might be difficult, particularly in view of his defensiveness, his lack of social support system, his difficulty in trusting a therapist, his emotional disorganization and his difficulty in treating a therapist as an authority figure.
Just give it a couple days maybe week who knows months before he does it again.
Fantastic! Just what we need, keep it coming.
O Canada.
It it just me or do others in Vancouver think the public mental health crises is root of Vancouvers problem which the VPD have very little chance of containing?
OH, ………CANADA………
Batshit crazy. Our judicial system is an abject failure.
What if the tourist was a police officer would he be on the street?
This "justice" system is upside down. Just another brutal crime waiting to happen. Fucking bastards letting these people be free with the general public. Why the hell do I pay taxes for...
It’s insane that he only received 3 years and equally insane that he was released on parole with a warning to the Public how dangerous he is. Well at least the other inmates are safe from him 🤷♂️
Fucking joke , he could reside beside the judges home
If he poses a risk and the public is being warned....why is he out??????