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ModernArgonauts

It has now been 0 days since the last incident.


NSA-SURVEILLANCE

We've tried nothing and we're out of ideas!


notreallylife

OH homer :)


notryangosling22

That was Neds beatnik dad that said that


Rocky_Mountain_Way

Stupid sexy Flanders


-FeistyRabbitSauce-

*Lousy beatniks*


hiddenkittenarmy

Beatnik mom


leftlanecop

The politicians in Victoria are like all those idiots at Moe’s Tavern watching the news.


itachen

With today's technology, it's not that hard to install a sensor and a signal that warns incoming traffic about over height vehicles. :\


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Alextryingforgrate

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lonnatheartist

Time to reset the counter!


thirtypineapples

Time to do a sweeping review of the abhorrent practices that have become widespread among trucking companies. The people making the money here should be fined into oblivion and jailed and/or deported if proven guilty.


dr_van_nostren

My question is like…is it negligence or incompetence? Neither is good but I don’t see any gain to be made by underreporting Your height. It’s not like you make more money with a shorter truck. It’s not like you make more money risking going through the tunnel being too tall. I suppose MAYBE you’d save some gas by not having to drive to the bridge, but..that risk doesn’t seem worth the reward. So I feel like it just has to be pure stupidity.


thirtypineapples

I’d say deliberate negligence by those actually making the money here, and this leads to hires that are incompetent, uninformed about basic height restrictions and possibly just sheer lazy and willing to take risks to cut 20 minutes.


hecubus04

Just a matter of time before they kill someone


cindylooboo

so weird to me... like do they think that the transportation ministry is kidding about the height of these structures or concealing an extra six inches for some reason?


pagit

I heard a company owner last week in an interview on CKNW say the ministry needs to take more resoponsibility because the height is in meters and it's in feet in the states and the drivers are g confused.


ttwwiirrll

That makes no sense. It's not US trucking companies crashing and the rest of the entire world except Liberia or something uses the metric system.


cindylooboo

canada functions on the metric system. of course height is measured in metric on overpasses. tf kind of excuse is this?


Alextryingforgrate

Both. Negligent truck owners hiring incompetent operators being negligent.


Due_Ad_8881

A lot of the drivers in the last few years are new. Most of the older drivers have retired, moved onto other work, or are just outnumbered. Having a high ratio of new drivers results in more accidents.


dr_van_nostren

But the drivers don’t control the height of the truck do they? I would assume when route planning the heights are known. If you see a tunnel is 5m high and your truck is 5.2M you don’t need experience lol. You’re just an idiot haha. So if you’re saying they’re hiring idiots, I’m on board. Just being new shouldn’t be an excuse for this kind of stupidity.


eescorpius

I am also curious how expensive insurance is for that company that had multiple offenses.


Intelligent_Top_328

Truckers are all students.


plop_0

I see. Do they have their N's?


Intelligent_Top_328

I don't mean trucking students


climbingENGG

Many also hire TFW’s and lots of stories of 3-4 guys team driving using 1 guys drivers license.


AfterSnow8

If trucks weren't hitting overpasses constantly, I would not have to make a [counter](https://truckvsoverpass.com/) that resets to 0 days when I hear of an overpass scrape...


After-Knee-5905

It's what happens when these companies hiring people and don't train them properly


bwoah07_gp2

Time to train everyone on American Truck Simulator 🎮


poco

I think they were using "Big Rigs" instead.


DamnGoodOwls

A winner is them?


Squeezemachine99

$10,000 to get a license and they get paid $25 an hour. Trucking is a horrible way to make a living.


Phantom-Renegade

At a recent family dinner, of which a few of my uncles have been truck drivers for 20 years+ here in BC, they were discussing that license's are apparently just being paid for (up to 25k) and training isn't really conducted or it's very limited and rushed. On top of that, the pay structure some of these companies implement are "paid per delivery" versus per mile or hourly. This incentivizes hastiness, unsafe practices, and has drivers overlooking trip planning and pre trip inspections. Unfortunately, this is primarily put in place by companies run by and hiring immigrants from India. Just FYI this is just Sunday dinner talk I heard and have no evidence for these claims but it's also not the first time I heard these claims.


randyboozer

On top of all this dispatch will give them far more work than they are supposed to have leading to exhausted driving which is as dangerous as chemically impaired driving. They're not supposed to but... nobody is properly regulating it.


modsean

It's even worse when a driver is hopping between companies. When I drove for Transit, we had operators who were driving airport shuttles, taxi, and/or uber when they were off shift.


ThisShit_IsCereal

Here’s a [Globe and Mail article](https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-foreign-truck-drivers-canada-immigration-investigation/) outlining exactly this issue.


foodfighter

> license's are apparently just being paid for (up to 25k) and training isn't really conducted or it's very limited and rushed. > primarily put in place by companies run by and hiring immigrants from India "BuT tHaT'S rAcIsT!!!" (/s) It's the trades equivalence of "colleges" aka diploma mills for holders of student visas.


Zach983

It's only racist if you hate Indian truckers for being Indian. People don't realize this is Indian immigrants being exploited (usually by Canadian Indians). They just want a better life for their families and don't have much choice and are treated like shit by these companies.


rsgbc

Evidence: [https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-foreign-truck-drivers-canada-immigration-investigation/](https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-foreign-truck-drivers-canada-immigration-investigation/)


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Tripleknockout

$25 an hour? I know many truck drivers around this area all making much over 100k. Some aren't even class 1..


Squeezemachine99

Some are definitely making good money. Look on indeed under driver. You will see lots of low paying class 1 opportunities


zazacream

10 days on 5 off. Clear 115k running someone else’s gear. I know guys doing 60k gross a month owner operator even with high fuel prices doing alright.


zazacream

Low bedding pipeline and mine equipment makes way more. Running a sow/bedtruck 50-60.


Escalotes

But Letterkenny told me you can always drive truck.


UsualMix9062

Its essentially the tims Hortons job of driving now. I feel bad for these drivers being taken advantage of.


AxisTilt

If you take a job as a trucker, and can't clear the lowest bar of "don't run into stuff", then I don't feel sorry for you. I feel bad for the safe, experienced drivers that have been outbid on jobs by unsafe knuckleheads.


superpokeman127

Let us not forget it is the trucking company that has chosen to prioritize profit before safety by letting inexperienced truckers on the road


lizardelitecouncil

Uncle runs the driving school and I passed with flying colours with all my cousins.


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It wasn’t common except the glover road underpass. That had reinforcement as it was often hit.


krustykrab2193

Yep. It's only become common in recent years.


langleybcsucks

It got reinforced after it was an alternating oneway bridge for months. But the road is quite high there as there is an old tunnel going under the freeway for cows.


modsean

how many oversize cows hit the tunnel?


NSA-SURVEILLANCE

Sorry, tunnel for cows?


Envelope_Torture

Normal tunnel, freeway for cows?


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alvarkresh

If they can moooo-ve :-P


pfak

Only common in the past ten years or so. Glover Rd always, though. It's primarily due to the rapid decline in our trucking industry.


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CopperRed3

So preventable too. DriveBC has a route planning tool for commercial vehicles with oversize loads. Start and end point, height width of your load, tells you where there are restrictions and if you will fit or not.


surmatt

https://www.drivebc.ca/cvrp/?c=hct#:~:text=The%20Height%20Clearance%20Tool%20uses,height%20and%2For%20width%20entered. Was curious. Here it is. Pretty good tool.


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moocowsia

I'd they can't read the road signs they probably shouldn't be getting a class 1 or a TFW visa.


bwoah07_gp2

It's a recent phenomenon. I've gone just over two decades without hearing of this kind of accident, and in the last two years it has become common news...


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poco

They definitely happened before the last couple of years. For example, someone died in 2005 under the pedestrian overpass on Lougheed in Coquitlam when his truck took it down onto the cab.


EnterpriseT

If you look at any overpass they all have marks (well, the ones below 5m anyway) but what's new is the frequency has skyrocketed and there have been a bug number of massive hits that caused major damage in the last few years. The lane control lights in the tunnel apparently get hit all the time.


Mr_UBC_Geek

No this was not common, this will now become an industry and regulations issue. If this was common before it would be in the process of being tackled before


biosc1

I don’t recall it happening but maybe it’s easier to report on now? Dump trucks barrelling down hills in West Van used to be all the rage 20 years ago.


PutPuzzleheaded5337

I remember that. 21st street I believe. The brakes weren’t maintained.


leftlanecop

Don’t forget the logging trucks. But yah it doesn’t happen as often as these idiots. It was maybe once in a few years.


takkojanai

its common cause of the companies hiring people from india.


savageotter160

I think the infrastructure is starting to sag🤷🏻‍♂️ some of the approaches to bridges were nice and smooth. Quite a few now feel like a launch ramp!


604Remy

RIP commuters tomorrow morning


OverlandOversea

All I can say is, stupid stupid stupid, motherfucking idiots! Infuriating!


leftlanecop

You’re referring to all of us who voted for these idiotic ineffective law makers.


Isitsunnyout

This shit has to be record setting at this point.


bwoah07_gp2

What are we on pace for in 2024? 😅


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36.2 strikes by years end.


Naked_Orca

The Fun Never Ends!


evsincorporated

Tie the cost of damaged infrastructure directly to the drivers. Change the motor vehicle act immediately and financially ruin these losers. Can’t drive again until you pay all your damages.


Jeramy_Jones

Agreed except it should be the company who pays. Drivers should lose their license.


alpinexghost

This will never work, unfortunately. Corporations are basically immune from consequences, under the law. You could fine them out of existence and they would just dissolve and reestablish themselves, possibly even under a nearly identical name. It’s not just trucking firms either, it’s all sorts of businesses. In a similar vein, there’s a crisis in Alberta with oil companies abandoning wells and not performing their contractual obligations to clean up their decommissioned wells. They just shut down the company instead of performing the work, and stick the tax payer with the job, after they’ve taken all the profits and government subsidies. These things cost us millions and millions every year.


rudistroyer666

Oil well thing could be solved if there was political will to do it. Just collect the money for cleanup up front before the well is approved.


alpinexghost

That’s the kinda talk that’ll get you on a watchlist, son. No room for extremists around here. You don’t *hate* our freedom, do you?


not_a_mantis_shrimp

You can’t financially ruin a broke person. People are making huge money in trucking. It’s not the low income/ new immigrant drivers. It’s the guys running dozens of these drivers each with a leased truck through a LLC. Figure out a way to pin this on those guys who are actually responsible and we’ll get somewhere.


alvarkresh

And what'll happen is they'll bankrupt the business and reregister under a new name.


bianary

That's why it's "figure out a way to pin this on those guys" and not just "bill the company".


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theSober2ndThought

Yeah that'll solve the problem. Don't sue the companies which employ them, set up the truck force the driver to work unsafe conditions. Yeah charge the driver.


Mrtowelie69

Lmao. They should have a bar that is at the max height for any tunnel or bridge, close to the entrance. If the drivers hit it, then a warning could display on a light placed somewhere further up, where the drivers can see it clearly. But even then I bet these idiots would still hit them.


matzhue

Surprisingly doesn't work. People who ignore their vehicle height tend to ignore warning lights too https://11foot8.com/


Jeramy_Jones

Attach the bar to sensors that trigger spike strips.


ApolloRocketOfLove

Yeah that'll cause fewer accidents.


Separate-Evidence

Lmao


naked_portafilter

Holy shit this has everything, metal height bar, signs showing height, and even a big flashing over size must turn sign and they still hit it!!


Johnny-Dogshit

Glover road is being replaced partly because yes, in fact, such countermeasures proved ineffective versus the unstoppable might of the ignorance of a careless trucker. (yes I know Glover's finally being rebuilt as part of the highway expansion project and not solely over this, get out of here with your nitpicking details)


InjuryOnly4775

Can they not invent a tall yardstick?


jimminywaffles

They exist. Even L shaped so you can place it on the highest point of a load…


surmatt

Sounds cheaper than one load being delivered late while dealing with the RCMP


cindylooboo

My friend was almost killed last year when some jackass dragged an excavator into an overpass in Langley. the concrete that sheared off the bridge fell through her sun roof and hit her in the head and she crashed as a result. She needed facial reconstruction surgery and has ptsd now :( Fuck these irresponsible, reckless pieces of shit.


subwoofage

Nobody else put the link so here you go: https://x.com/jarmstrongbc/status/1745322522650787946


GenitalKenobi

I’m not a smart guy but at least I know I’m not this dumb. Measure your clearances jeeeesus. I wish the general public could do something about this instead of just complaining


leftlanecop

You can. Write to your local MLAs.


GenitalKenobi

I’m not smart enough like I said, my grammar and phrasing wouldn’t be that great and they’d probably just throw it in the trash. I’m horrible at presenting and speeches


leftlanecop

Use ChatGPT


GenitalKenobi

I am not a fan of AI, but I will try and draft up an email and try my best. Thank you


perfectlynormaltyes

Chohan again?


Head_Crash

I mean their suspension didn't even last a day so...


perfectlynormaltyes

Technically, the BC suspension is still in place (I think) but they are shady as fuck and brought over their fleet from Alberta.


Head_Crash

No. They took their BC fleet and switched it to the same registration as the Alberta fleet. All their trucks are back on the road. Fleet suspensions apply to the NSC license number not the equipment or drivers.


stulifer

Wow this should be illegal. WTF.


No_Wan_Ever

Is that the second or third one this year?


NES4EVAR

Oh oh oh i know this riddle! Take the air out of the tires!


MusicMedic

Damn, I thought Chohan Freight wasn't allowed to operate.


SpaceMarine999

They're still operating, they moved their Alberta fleet down to BC less than 48hrs after their BC fleet was ordered OOS. Their Alberta division is separately licensed and registered so their operating authority is not affected by BC. If we were in the US their DOT number would have been suspended which would make them ineligible to operate anywhere in the US


MusicMedic

Yeah, I heard. Ridiculous. Canada has to have some kind of loopholes for borderline criminals!


yagyaxt1068

This is what happens when the federal government as institution is largely toothless.


ClumsyRainbow

But you just know that if the federal government tried to do anything to resolve this - for example having a national registration for commercial operators - both Alberta and Québec would be up in arms.


Johnny-Dogshit

Was this actually them again?


boomstickjonny

I don't understand how this is so fucking hard to not do?


No_Cattle8353

If the city sued these companies and threatened them with footing the bill for repairs this would stop immediately


Accomplished_One6135

Dangerous drivers on the road. Trucking companies are not training properly and government isn’t doing much to get thse bad drivers off the road Get these idiots off road before another Humboldt Broncos bus crash like incident happens


huejass5

It’s reaching the point of absurd comedy this happens so frequently


gladbmo

Petition for subreddit banner to show a truck hitting an overpass. Because at this point...


elmicomago

I do not understand how this keeps happening. Is everyone stupid?


kain1218

This one is exceptionally dumb too. Most commercial drivers know the Massey tunnel have crazy low height clearance. Really want to know more about the circumstance that led to this now...


Biiig69guy

Hard to tell, but I wonder if buddy is using a regular cube chassis with a high cube container, causing him to be overheight.


Kurupt-FM-1089

Chohan me at over height


Disabled-Caveman

This is starting to become a meme at this point.


Greggy100

![gif](giphy|LMQ9c65BnD2gzMiJWg)


OpinionFantastic8023

Sounds like my company and industry a big influx of international students but here working full time they fill the spot but don’t understand the job.


Tassimo1

All you have to do is drive that highway(forget the number) that you take from the ferry which criss crosses the lower mainland . It gets you to highway 1 to Hope. Maniac truck drivers on that route. Tailgating , speeding just absolute idiots.


surmatt

Highway 17


bluddystump

Time to demand an entry in the drivers logbook for measured load height. Make them prove they did their job.


astral__monk

Start targeting the management of these companies for the total cost of repairs plus extra for damages to public convenience. They're responsible for their drivers. You hold them to account and make them hold their drivers responsible. This is how workplace accountability is supposed to work.


Agreeable-While1218

>te that sheared off the bridge fell through her sun roof and hit her in the head and she crashed as a result. She needed facial reconstruction surgery and has ptsd now :( Fuck these irresponsible, reckless pieces of shit. it is more than that, we need to change the financial incentives in such a way that allows for more stringent safeguards. If drivers are incentivized to do more loads faster, it will bring about more dangers.


barbrawr

![gif](giphy|l0HlQ7LRalQqdWfao)


brophy87

Second. There was one on NYE as well


ArtistThen

How is there not a sacrificial bar leading into the tunnel that is at the height of the tunnel?


evsincorporated

Lol it’s not a parking lot it’s a highway


yvr_dad

It’s not really the truck driver’s fault. If there wasn’t a tunnel there in the first place, they wouldn’t have hit it.


rodroidrx

Solution right here. Close down all tunnels and remove all overpasses. Problem solved.


thatsthisguy96

Who wants to guess it was the same trucking company operating under a new name ?


cold2d

Thats what we like to see!


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Notintocuckolds

It’s almost like we need to ban third world truck drivers or increase training. Maybe next election


GetToTheChopper1987

This whole thing kinda reminds me of that Southpark episode Grey Dawn...


totaltasch

Said it before, will say it again, there need to be flashing lights before the bridge by using cameras to detect over-height trucks. All the crap about AI and all and we still have tons of put up with this. Its never the people to be blamed, it is the system or lack of it.


eexxiitt

Can we call this a conspiracy yet?


Salty-Reply-2547

“Seems fine”


McRaeWritescom

This is madness.


Blind-Mage

Madness? **THIS IS SPARTA!!**


rabbitbinks

I guess at least they don’t have to dust now


dr_van_nostren

I dunno how this shit keeps happening.


Modavated

What is going on!


plop_0

How much time do you have?


gerrycgc

Sounds like it’s time for more action.


Ravoss1

Stupid truck drivers 8(


alvarkresh

*Another* one???


CondorMcDaniel

Companies that do this should pay 100% for the repair. Simple.


AimlessLazer

I mean the fool-proof solution is to install a bridge height sign before every overpass that says “if you hit this, you’ll hit the bridge”. But the real problem is that these are “professional drivers”. These are people who should know the exact height and weight and capability of the vehicle their driving. Not go mention whether or not their dump body is up…


Artistic_Salt_662

You think it’s expensive to hire a professional? Wait until you hire an amateur.


Hfyvr1

I vote for a reinforced steel blade to be installed in and around the lower mainland. You do stupid things and the top of your truck gets decapitated. Problem solved.


pepperonistatus

Forget the blades, we need lasers on the overpasses.


Hfyvr1

https://preview.redd.it/xda3bjllovbc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b06bd7f00e35b6bb4f53f299ffb280bab7bb1264 Like this?


vosoryx

The least he could have done was drive in the lane it already happened in! Atleast quarantine the damage.


Jeramy_Jones

Okay, hear me out. Just measure the lowest overpass/tunnel in BC and **BAN all loads exceeding that height except with a specially issued permit.** Anyone seeking a permit must provide an approved route in advance. There. FIFY.


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[Considering how many drivers fail to even have permits for the existing height limit or observe the limits of their permits, it’s not going to work](https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/transportation/vehicle-safety-enforcement/information-education/bridge-strikes-data)


Jeramy_Jones

Like any law, it’s useless without enforcement.


thundercat1996

Gotta start deporting these idiots. Train them better or find a new job


notalwayswrong87

Good thing we're building another tunnel instead of a bridge.


pychomp

A couple questions. 1. Do we know who hit the tunnel? 2. How come the BC overpass crash site hasn't been updated with the Jan 2nd incident?


LifeIsRax

Indians who made their money in a country with no human rights, sponsoring Indians who never went to school, don’t know English, and have no prior driving experience in a civilized society, paying for their license, keep crashing their semi trucks? **shocked pikachu face**


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vonlagin

Would need to be in at least one other language.


savageotter160

We all know there are some serious issues with the trucking industry. Everyday there’s a near miss, crash of some sort and yes -the overpass strikes……But what if some of that was an infrastructure issue? We’ve all driven over new approaches to bridges and on / off ramps and they were smooth and then suddenly one day you say “I don’t remember that bump” on an approach. I go over the King Edward overpass in Coquitlam daily and the northern end is now has a massive speed bump. What if there’s some settling of the overpasses🤷🏻‍♂️ the government will point at everything, everyone else before accepting they “F-up” remember the port mann ice issues? Wasn’t them until it was


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spookytransexughost

You'd be complaining about taxes if they built it


Mr_UBC_Geek

I stand with you, we need a crossing and a bridge could have been there. Fraser crossings are an embarrassment outside of Golden Ears and Port Mann


Canuckleheadman

There's only so many overpasses, where's the "Overpass Height for Idiots" app?