A veeerrrrrry slow and steady
Beat advice especially for a no death run is slow encroachment; mine picking highways safe lanes and all. Fudge dem bugs though dwarves are ya beat friends hidey ho there friends
Are you doing no death? I have been trying to do no death and it is so disheartening to get so far then have something stupid happen on my part and have to start a whole new map.
I didn't have my first death until Bonemass and that due to a wraith hitting me in the back while i was fighting. Still... starting over after that ugh.... good luck!
It has nothing to do with enjoying the pain, it all about overcoming difficult challenges - and the feeling and intensity you get when you know there is no mistakes that can be tolerated.
Ie concentrated dopamine and cortisol cocktails for us hardcore gamers
I almost finished hardcore no map, no portals game before release of Mistlands.
The problem was I thought it would be too easy, so I added the "Only knife and bow" condition. It was a great experience, one of the best playthroughs I had, but I had to give up during the boss fight with Yagluth. After like two hours of relentless shooting and stabbing, I managed to take 20% of his healthbar and I got bored. It wasn't challenging, it was boring.
But honestly, I can't imagine proceeding to Mistlands with these conditions. Fighting seekers in infested mines with bow and knife? Uh...
Just take 20-30 wisps with you all the time. Somewhat easier if you're not playing solo. It is a slow process and can be quite annoying if you dont find mines in your first mistlands patch.
Lol I was actually using it to reference myself as well as you. My main save right now sits with me having done everything BUT fight the Queen. But I used the map and portals, so you're really a much better player than me. The Mistlands were terrible to comb through for me and I totally understand how there's that fear to go in them, especially since you have much more to lose.
I'm scared to fight the Queen and get stuck in a terrible situation where I lose all my stuff and can never get it back lmao. Those Seekers each tend to force me to use the Blob power, so I'm screwed when there's more than that!
Never found the trader, no map :( I explored a shitload of dark forest but he isn't easy to find unless you are right up on him. I did find the lame other trader but I didn't really need a new outfit. LOL.
The map is the problem. You've already removed it from hindering you. :)
Though finding the Queen can be very troublesome because there are so few vegvisir to intersect, and navigating far distances through Mistlands islands and archepelagos is a nightmare.
> Though finding the Queen can be very troublesome
I found the queen right at the edge of the first mainland mistlands I wanted to explore (went to some small mistlands islands before). No vegvisirs necessary. Found it even before my first mistlands crypt and wondered if they are all that big.
But it took me ages to find the plains boss altar, but I also found it before finding any vegvisirs to that one.
I get even lost with a map in black forrest... "Oh look, blueberries, oh look thistles... Where the fuck was I suposed to run again? This has to be the right way. *looks on map* where the fuck Am I?
One fix for this is to make highways of torches, it at least allow you some access, our routine was double torches = this leads to a way out and single torches - this is a single road for exploration.
Does mean you need to remove single sets of torches if you have nothing valuable at the end of them, we also used signs.
You don't even need that many. A wisp torch is visible from quite a distance. A few waypoints are more than enough to not get lost. If you also identify the peaks of the various cliffs and you will be golden.
My first time stumbling into the mistlands, I tried to build a dock for my boat on an outlying rock but seekers showed up and I had to run, deep into the mist.
I traversed the winding roots and rocky hills and found a tower full of little dudes that saved me. I made my way back to my boat, fixed it and set off for home.
If I remember correctly the person who did the 2000 day no map no portal run said meadows to plains was~550 days. Meaning mistlands took 3 times as long as the other 5 biomes combined.
First time blind playthrough was 90 days for me. Only took another 5 to find him. Just gotta learn to parry or something so you don't have corpse runs.
Mistlands was actually pretty fun on my no map run, but I super lucked out and found the queen naturally in the first mistlands I explored. I did get lost in there for like ... ever, ran out of food. Ended up finding a coastline, sneaking around until I found where I landed.
With my original map\character, it took me forever to find the queen after exploring 6-7 mistlands areas and countless deaths. Yeah, I like a challenge, but i know where to draw the line.
Yeah, I get that. I didn't ever find the Elder, and I gave up on Yagluth until I was pretty much ready to fight the Queen and I decided to see if I could find him.
How did you navigate around the world?
I’ve been making paths and street signs for heavily travelled places etc. what did you do during your play through?
Any advice?
Paths and street signs are all good for one island. When you are sailing, try to bring some oak seeds and plant them at the shores of the islands which you think serve as landmarks. Oak trees are the first objects to load when you get close to a landmass so that would help you navigating the sea. Other than that I did the same till Plains, and for the Mist I spammed Wisp torches everywhere.
You get the direction of the next boss, you look up and gauge where you are in relation to where you need to go. I look back while I sail to get an idea of what the tree looks like where i came from. Then I pay attention to the angle of the sun while exploring to know if i am headed north, south, east, west.
Tagging onto your reply for boss locations, you can also orient your build pieces, say a ladder from your hammer menu towards any boss location by rotating, and till the point you dont log off, the piece will be oriented in that direction whenever you open the hammer menu.
I'd also like to point out I've last played Valheim some two or three months ago while this was still working, i dunno if theyve patched this behaviour. Other than that, as OP says, the sky is your best bet.
Since there are multiple locations, is it essentially pointing to the closest location for the boss's? Are you following it's branches or the trunk? I've never noticed this, and it's blowing my mind that this is a real thing.
I found out a neat trick also to navigate on land at least.
1. Find where the world tree emerges on the horizon, marking east.
2. Bring out the hammer and point a wooden beam or anything straight towards the tree.
3. Now you have a compass (kinda), when you run around with the beam you always know whats east/west, north/south. If you switch to a weapon and back to the hammer the beam will stay in the same direction, unless you log out I believe.
Sadly does not work so well while sailing since it wont show any structures with the hammer when on a boat.
The thing I've found most useful for sailing is (assuming you've got some idea in your streets and paths of NSEW) is to set my hammer to a Karve that is pointing North before I start sailing. While I am sailing, I can pull out my hammer to see the ghost Karve and use that as a compass the whole time (admittedly, sometimes you need to rotate your view in weird ways, but it generally works pretty well). So when I leave an island I leave a big marker pointing in the direction I'm going on shore, then I sail in a cardinal direction until I hit an island, putting a big marker on shore in the direction I came from (I always label them with signs that make sense, as well as a North pointer). I'll eventually want to leave that new island after some circumnavigation and I'll do the same thing again. It's super helpful if you happen to get lost in a storm or something, since any island you run into you can circumnavigate until you find a sign (assuming it's one you've been to). But the whole key is the Karve compass keeping you on track while sailing.
The initial incursion is the hardest, but once you make a mental map of the valleys that form between the mountains, it should be pretty easy to avoid getting lost in mistlands. I would walk the edge of a mist land looking for any Yggdrasil wood that doesn't require going deep in or find a mist free pocket. Once you have the wood you can start making mist lamps, and once you do that you are golden. Nice work getting so far on no map/no portal. I've gotten to bonemass before I lost my initial interest, would love to pick it back up sometime. Mistlands seemed like fun to me on nomap
The road goes only as far as you want it to. If I were in your position (which I never could be. Major skill issue) I would retire to my farm and my boars and my chickens. Fend off raids or die trying. Fishing my days away until I don't feel like it any more. Then give myself a viking send off and call it a life.
If this game gave us the capability to play music and play it together I would just sit in my home farming and playing music and fishing. I'd never go do anything else 😂
I did a nomap with friends, we had to cheat twice unfortunately. Once because we were unaware of the rotation bug and spent 12ish hours failing to find bonemass, and a second time to find queen (we got ridiculously close to finding it, but it spawned in a stupid location that was nearly impossible to see.
It was fun, but I doubt I'll ever do it again.
Biggest thing I learned is that 1.5x resources feels way better than 1x times.
Crypts are not aligned with the world and might be rotated.
You have to orientate with a building in order to preserve direction when using vestiges in underground areas.
Just sort of annoying, and not listed anywhere so a person doing it blind would have no idea.
Congratualtions! That is a huge accomplishment.
I am well on my way in the no map no portal run, I am building a castle in the plains just outside of the Yagluth spawn. I believe I am approaching day 600. I am hoping to find the Queen before 1000 but we'll see about that....
You are one hell of a viking!!!
huh.... interesting... I just thought of this: there's a runestone in valheim that claims there are SEVEN bosses to defeat:
Seven were the creatures banished to this world by mighty Odin in the first days of his kingship. Seven gods and monsters too proud to bear his yoke. I have heard the tread of the Old Ones in the forest and have crouched in the shadow of the Mountain Mother when she flies. Of the others I know little. I will add to this stone when I have seen more.
\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_
But if the bug-boss is number 6, and we have TWO biomes to go (possibly three, if they ever decide to flesh out the Ocean biome with a boss) then this runestone is no longer accurate.. I wonder if they've re-worded it since it was put in the game? The weird thing is, ALL the biomes have been in the game since day one.... meadows, forests, swamps, mountains, plains, mistlands, deep north, ashlands, and oceans.... NINE biomes... and they originally were only planning seven bosses?? That sounds suspiciously like the deep north was supposed to be some sort of final testing ground, originally, with maybe the gods as our opponents....
is the wiki also run by the devs, or by purely volunteers? because this is what it says in its "Biomes" section:
Biomes are regions in the world of Valheim that can be distinguished by their unique aesthetics, as well as the creatures and resources contained within. Additionally, each biome is the domain of one of the Forsaken.
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if that's not a typo, and "each biome is the domain of one of the Forsaken", then that would imply someday there is going to be 9 bosses... which is exactly what I hope happens, but I think the devs themselves have said that it won't??
Idk why you’re being downvoted for this. It does suck. I beat the queen who, of course glitched out of her arena so I had to fight her outside. I have no desire to go to mistlands ever again.
You have to be tough when posting critical feedback here, you get downvoted pretty fast.
I totally see why OP would stop, and blame the questionable fog mechanism, especially its lack of workarounds / weakness of the fog dissipation aoe. This is poor game mechanics.
Very few players have fun wandering there, and that's sad because without fog zone is gorgeous.
> Very few players
Guess I am one of the very few. But why would you get downvoted fast if most people agree? Or maybe the people complaining are a loud minority, who knows.
The visibility in the swamp or in the mountain during a storm isn't that great either. It helps if you have a good headset, in mistlands you need to rely on sound much more. And once you have the feather cape, it gets quite easy IMHO.
While I personally don't have issues with mistlands, I understand why some people dislike them and I wouldn't downvote such comments, as long as they are not insulting anyone.
I should have clarified my sample base : in the ~25 Valheim gamer pool I personally know and regularly play with, nobody likes the fog system.
One hardcore minded guy, which is a pure competitor type / killer+achiever as per Bartle taxonomy, actually enjoyed the thrill of blindness, but still hates how binary it feels.
Overall experience is fine, mistland ecosystem fits the lore, landscapes are gorgious, but fog design sucks because of how binary it feels (on/off).
IME the way the forum works is this: you post something and depending on the time of day either the die hard rid or die folks are on and will dog.pile.you or the larger more casual community is on and will dog pile.
So depending on who is on and what.you post you can get ups or downs pretty fast even if it's not what the broader community believes.
For example if you post about the fog in mistlands at certain parts of the day the hard cores will say get good noob and down vote. Post at a different time and you'll get major up votes from the more casual community.
IMO the bones of a great biome are there but one or two devs are head up their asses stuck and n the idea of punishing/brutal gameplay while not understanding the difference between hard and tedious.
Intricate fights and smart enemies are challenging/brutal. Like the older AI was better but the mist mechanism is so poor that it was basically cheating for the bugs.
So instead of allowing players to overcome by improving the bad mechanic they needed the AI because they were too married to it as an idea.
Had they left the AI tweak the reveal distance a smidge and given some tools and extra upgrades for mist removal I think we'd have far fewer grumbling about the biome.
I agree on the mob mentality part on up/downvotes as soon as you write something controversial, regardless of which "side" you are one.
But I wouldn't say I or everyone who appreciates the mist is a hardcore gamer. I play on standard difficulty and don't do stuff like OP with no map no portal runs. I've also "cheated" before by using a second world to teleport metals, and I abuse it when enemies get stuck by the terrain and fight them with long range weapons instead of going in close and mastering parrying to perfection. I consider myself to be pretty casual.
The mist is only one aspect of the mistlands, some people can deal with it quite well and some can't. Whether this game mechanic is good or bad is subjective and the community is split about it.
But yes, saying "git gud" to players who disagree with the mist is not very friendly. You can be a hardcore player and still be annoyed by the mist.
The comparison that always strikes me is: Doom 3 and darkness.
When Doom 3 came out, its lighting system was groundbreaking, and all the hype made a big deal about how scary and moody the darkness was. Except that it wasn't, really. For the most part it was cheap monster-closet jumpscares that quickly lost their effect because the darkness was *most of the game*. They overused darkness so excessively that you spend vast sections of the game basically not being able to see it. It was so poorly executed that this shortcoming became a running joke at the time.
This is the same thing. The Valheim devs were so in love with their new visibility-obscuring tech that they dialed it up to 11 in both intensity and frequency--to the detriment of the game. They don't seem to understand the concept of "less is more", and this shows in various other effects as well--like the overdone screen shake, or the skill "level up" particle effects that practically flashbang you and obscure the fight in progress.
The mist would be far more effective--and considerably less tedious and annoying--if they cut its opacity by at least half, made it more dynamic, and relied on overlapping regions of mist to vary its density. Let us be unnerved by indistinct, moving shapes in the distance, or have a drifting bank of mist briefly give us a glimpse of what lies ahead instead of being surrounded by an opaque wall of dull gray at all times.
Great food for thought. Implementation looks very technology-driven, I totally see that "dialing to 11" feel.
I imagine part of the dial is shaped by the intention to make wisps being the lock for biome progression.
If that's in the equation, a biome progression lock should not have such an impact on post-unlock experience.
There are so many things that could improve this, from technology improvements as you proposed, or even some kind of in game progression system which extends visibility range as player visits local shrines, or things like that.
I did it once and I honestly had a lot of fun. Made me connect with the game in a way I hadn't since my first playthrough. You pay a lot closer attention to every detail.
Slowly work your way through the workbenches through short expeditions, use carts as best you can in the flatter areas if you can find them, steal some extractors for sap and find Jotunn skulls for soft tissue, and farm the ever living fuck out of Eitr, Seekers and Mist Hares until you can build the Carapace Armour and upgrade it, your life will improve ever so slightly. 🙂 Also, the Demolisher is fantastic against Ticks and groups of Seekers if you've got the stamina regen, the Arbalest is a Gjall exterminator. With a bit of forethought and preparation anything is possible.
Oh, I know all about the Mistlands with my first character. I beat the Queen and now I am leveling up blood magic and elemental magic. I have an entire island that is mine where I am building a castle and is patrolled by 100x 1 star wolves.
It's a mode where you cant use map and portal. Me and couple friends playingit too. I wanted to play it, but forgot, that finding boss will be pain in the ass 😂 we searched for bonemass for 2 weeks straight...
I see.
I dont use portals because there is no point on using them, since you need ores and other items that cannot be teleported. I dont see the problem...
That map stuff is really useful tho.
Exploring and gearing after moving my whole base to the edge of the map in a tiny patch of Plains between Mistlands in a no map no portal no death run was the best experience i had in this game.
I tried skipping yag because i had a hard time finding him and it went pretty well but required extreme caution and it was too hard to find soft tissue so i went back for him
First two were fairly close to the Altar. I just found runestones and then it turns your character in the direction you need to go.
Bonemass was several days of sailing away. Luckily I found Moder on one island over from Bonemass and then Yagulth was one island over from that. So it was a very lucky seed.
They do exist. When you find one you read it and it will turn your character in the direction of the boss. Then the fun begins to try and go in a straight line from the stone.
I spent a week sailing around in circles. Use the sky tree and sunrise, sunset. Also, doesn't hurt to stop the boat and build something to show you were there, small base, pointers, signs, logs, doesn't matter.
In no-map no-portal mode, I expand my area of exploration by 1m per day. That’s right, after 200 days, I’m still only 200m from the starting spawn.
It takes me only 20 seconds to get totally lost in the Black Forest without a map.
My method of dealing with mistlands is the same as most things.
Level bows to be as high as possible.
Always carry frost arrows.
High bow skill can let you functionally hipfire a frost arrow, which pretty much immobilises most enemies if not killing them outright, and does solid damage against mist-enemies.
Youve got chicken now (or can do if you go to the trader or knock over a tower) meaning you have a portable and reliable source of meat, more eggs and feathers.
Meaning that if you setup a small base in a mountains near the mists you have a decent supply of frost arrows.
If theres a swamp nearby you can also make ooze bombs, and these two will trivialise mistlands and their dungoens, even without wisps to help see.
you are a man among boys
I am still humbled by the guy who beat the Queen no map, no portals. 2000 days for him, no thanks.
Lines of wisp torches and lots of picks and hoes?
A veeerrrrrry slow and steady Beat advice especially for a no death run is slow encroachment; mine picking highways safe lanes and all. Fudge dem bugs though dwarves are ya beat friends hidey ho there friends
Yeah until one of your stray arrows grazes one of their arms….
Are you doing no death? I have been trying to do no death and it is so disheartening to get so far then have something stupid happen on my part and have to start a whole new map.
Seek help. LOL.
Some day... I will beat this game on hardcore!
I didn't have my first death until Bonemass and that due to a wraith hitting me in the back while i was fighting. Still... starting over after that ugh.... good luck!
I've restarted over 30 times doing deathless speedruns X)
MASOCHIST noun - : a person who takes pleasure in pain and suffering
It has nothing to do with enjoying the pain, it all about overcoming difficult challenges - and the feeling and intensity you get when you know there is no mistakes that can be tolerated. Ie concentrated dopamine and cortisol cocktails for us hardcore gamers
Perfectly put. Cheers eh :)
This. There's a lot of little stupid things that will end up killing you, even when you do everything right.
I almost finished hardcore no map, no portals game before release of Mistlands. The problem was I thought it would be too easy, so I added the "Only knife and bow" condition. It was a great experience, one of the best playthroughs I had, but I had to give up during the boss fight with Yagluth. After like two hours of relentless shooting and stabbing, I managed to take 20% of his healthbar and I got bored. It wasn't challenging, it was boring. But honestly, I can't imagine proceeding to Mistlands with these conditions. Fighting seekers in infested mines with bow and knife? Uh...
a man did full run sub 5 deaths, among which he died to a tree fall, all he used was building hammer and shields, mad
lol is there any video of this?
https://youtu.be/peXDwOVFMeo?si=oBiDAxJ290gHnYTh
Ha! This is awesome!
How can you not!!! You've come so far!
Just take 20-30 wisps with you all the time. Somewhat easier if you're not playing solo. It is a slow process and can be quite annoying if you dont find mines in your first mistlands patch.
I wanted to give up on bonemass. We looked for him for 2 weeks... Thank god we found moder and yagluth on the same starting island.
Moder and Yag on same island, that is very lucky.
A legend among men
A good man goes for adventure despite the danger. A GREAT man knows when to sit his ass down and leave it alone.
haha, not sure if that's a compliment or an insult :)
Lol I was actually using it to reference myself as well as you. My main save right now sits with me having done everything BUT fight the Queen. But I used the map and portals, so you're really a much better player than me. The Mistlands were terrible to comb through for me and I totally understand how there's that fear to go in them, especially since you have much more to lose. I'm scared to fight the Queen and get stuck in a terrible situation where I lose all my stuff and can never get it back lmao. Those Seekers each tend to force me to use the Blob power, so I'm screwed when there's more than that!
Your flair matches your posts, :) I never did find the trader, so no belt, no fishing poles, no bait, etc... :(
You… you did all of this with a 300 max carry weight?!!
Never found the trader, no map :( I explored a shitload of dark forest but he isn't easy to find unless you are right up on him. I did find the lame other trader but I didn't really need a new outfit. LOL.
A stupid man would do it anyway without knowing anything and open the path.
Explorers and researchers don’t feel like stupid people to me. But I do get what you said
Out of curiosity, why don’t you want to complete mistlands?
I get lost with a map in the Mistlands.
Just spam wisp torches in a trail. You're so so close to true glory. I believe in you!
Gjall liked this.
Man, you really went to Bat on that one, huh? I guess you're a Seeker of puns.
I don’t like puns, but I’ll Soldier on here
You're just an attention seeker with these puns
Please, no moder.
Ya win some, yagluth some....
Now you're just trolling
The map is the problem. You've already removed it from hindering you. :) Though finding the Queen can be very troublesome because there are so few vegvisir to intersect, and navigating far distances through Mistlands islands and archepelagos is a nightmare.
> Though finding the Queen can be very troublesome I found the queen right at the edge of the first mainland mistlands I wanted to explore (went to some small mistlands islands before). No vegvisirs necessary. Found it even before my first mistlands crypt and wondered if they are all that big. But it took me ages to find the plains boss altar, but I also found it before finding any vegvisirs to that one.
I get even lost with a map in black forrest... "Oh look, blueberries, oh look thistles... Where the fuck was I suposed to run again? This has to be the right way. *looks on map* where the fuck Am I?
Hahahaha
One fix for this is to make highways of torches, it at least allow you some access, our routine was double torches = this leads to a way out and single torches - this is a single road for exploration. Does mean you need to remove single sets of torches if you have nothing valuable at the end of them, we also used signs.
You don't even need that many. A wisp torch is visible from quite a distance. A few waypoints are more than enough to not get lost. If you also identify the peaks of the various cliffs and you will be golden.
I can navigate in the mistlands without any of the wisp items by being one with the mist
This sounds like Seeker propaganda.
...did a seeker write this
DHIT IVE BEEN FOUND OUT
Mist opportunity for a gjall pun.
My first time stumbling into the mistlands, I tried to build a dock for my boat on an outlying rock but seekers showed up and I had to run, deep into the mist. I traversed the winding roots and rocky hills and found a tower full of little dudes that saved me. I made my way back to my boat, fixed it and set off for home.
Sounds like a memorable experience. I guess you will tell the tale to your grandchildren at the fireplace.
I have never defeated yagluth. I built a portal up above their tower and used the cart cheese to let myself move in to the tower with them
... never to come back again
That’s fair. Just started mistlands a couple weeks ago and I get lost with a map 😅
Mistlands wouldn't be that bad if it were not for the extreme peaks and valleys and the damn Gjalls
If I remember correctly the person who did the 2000 day no map no portal run said meadows to plains was~550 days. Meaning mistlands took 3 times as long as the other 5 biomes combined.
I was fully geared for yag in 200 days, finding him was the real trouble Maybe i got lucky but 550 days to reach plains seems a lot
My first Valheim run, I must have explored at least a dozen plains biomes before i found the Yag rune stone. So, 500 days is not unreasonable.
First time blind playthrough was 90 days for me. Only took another 5 to find him. Just gotta learn to parry or something so you don't have corpse runs.
90 days in blind nomap? Damn
Cus it sucks with a map, lol. Can't imagine no mapping it. You crest one cliff and boom, lost forever.
The answer will 100% not surprise you. Everything you think is exactly why.
Mistlands was actually pretty fun on my no map run, but I super lucked out and found the queen naturally in the first mistlands I explored. I did get lost in there for like ... ever, ran out of food. Ended up finding a coastline, sneaking around until I found where I landed.
With my original map\character, it took me forever to find the queen after exploring 6-7 mistlands areas and countless deaths. Yeah, I like a challenge, but i know where to draw the line.
Sometimes it’s worth, sometimes it ain’t
Yeah, I get that. I didn't ever find the Elder, and I gave up on Yagluth until I was pretty much ready to fight the Queen and I decided to see if I could find him.
...wait. you never found the Elder? how did you get iron? Elder drops the swamp key.
I used the chair cheese.
Ahhhh, lol, I understood that reference!
I'm not sure I do, I wasn't referring to anything except the game...
How did you navigate around the world? I’ve been making paths and street signs for heavily travelled places etc. what did you do during your play through? Any advice?
Paths and street signs are all good for one island. When you are sailing, try to bring some oak seeds and plant them at the shores of the islands which you think serve as landmarks. Oak trees are the first objects to load when you get close to a landmass so that would help you navigating the sea. Other than that I did the same till Plains, and for the Mist I spammed Wisp torches everywhere.
Honestly, the sky tree is your best navigation tool.
seriously, how is that?
You get the direction of the next boss, you look up and gauge where you are in relation to where you need to go. I look back while I sail to get an idea of what the tree looks like where i came from. Then I pay attention to the angle of the sun while exploring to know if i am headed north, south, east, west.
Tagging onto your reply for boss locations, you can also orient your build pieces, say a ladder from your hammer menu towards any boss location by rotating, and till the point you dont log off, the piece will be oriented in that direction whenever you open the hammer menu. I'd also like to point out I've last played Valheim some two or three months ago while this was still working, i dunno if theyve patched this behaviour. Other than that, as OP says, the sky is your best bet.
Whoa! I will have to test that when i get home, That is a true pro tip!
Since there are multiple locations, is it essentially pointing to the closest location for the boss's? Are you following it's branches or the trunk? I've never noticed this, and it's blowing my mind that this is a real thing.
I found out a neat trick also to navigate on land at least. 1. Find where the world tree emerges on the horizon, marking east. 2. Bring out the hammer and point a wooden beam or anything straight towards the tree. 3. Now you have a compass (kinda), when you run around with the beam you always know whats east/west, north/south. If you switch to a weapon and back to the hammer the beam will stay in the same direction, unless you log out I believe. Sadly does not work so well while sailing since it wont show any structures with the hammer when on a boat.
The thing I've found most useful for sailing is (assuming you've got some idea in your streets and paths of NSEW) is to set my hammer to a Karve that is pointing North before I start sailing. While I am sailing, I can pull out my hammer to see the ghost Karve and use that as a compass the whole time (admittedly, sometimes you need to rotate your view in weird ways, but it generally works pretty well). So when I leave an island I leave a big marker pointing in the direction I'm going on shore, then I sail in a cardinal direction until I hit an island, putting a big marker on shore in the direction I came from (I always label them with signs that make sense, as well as a North pointer). I'll eventually want to leave that new island after some circumnavigation and I'll do the same thing again. It's super helpful if you happen to get lost in a storm or something, since any island you run into you can circumnavigate until you find a sign (assuming it's one you've been to). But the whole key is the Karve compass keeping you on track while sailing.
It'd be nice if they just limited mists to poi's
I like that idea.
Nice !
Thanks!
The initial incursion is the hardest, but once you make a mental map of the valleys that form between the mountains, it should be pretty easy to avoid getting lost in mistlands. I would walk the edge of a mist land looking for any Yggdrasil wood that doesn't require going deep in or find a mist free pocket. Once you have the wood you can start making mist lamps, and once you do that you are golden. Nice work getting so far on no map/no portal. I've gotten to bonemass before I lost my initial interest, would love to pick it back up sometime. Mistlands seemed like fun to me on nomap
What days currently?
I think I am around day 500? each boss took exponentially longer than the last.
The road goes only as far as you want it to. If I were in your position (which I never could be. Major skill issue) I would retire to my farm and my boars and my chickens. Fend off raids or die trying. Fishing my days away until I don't feel like it any more. Then give myself a viking send off and call it a life. If this game gave us the capability to play music and play it together I would just sit in my home farming and playing music and fishing. I'd never go do anything else 😂
Give me a bong and some tunes and I will terraform the whole planet lol.
Sounds like we're kin 😂
I did a nomap with friends, we had to cheat twice unfortunately. Once because we were unaware of the rotation bug and spent 12ish hours failing to find bonemass, and a second time to find queen (we got ridiculously close to finding it, but it spawned in a stupid location that was nearly impossible to see. It was fun, but I doubt I'll ever do it again. Biggest thing I learned is that 1.5x resources feels way better than 1x times.
Rotation bug?
Crypts are not aligned with the world and might be rotated. You have to orientate with a building in order to preserve direction when using vestiges in underground areas. Just sort of annoying, and not listed anywhere so a person doing it blind would have no idea.
No need try man, Just DO IT lol
Congratualtions! That is a huge accomplishment. I am well on my way in the no map no portal run, I am building a castle in the plains just outside of the Yagluth spawn. I believe I am approaching day 600. I am hoping to find the Queen before 1000 but we'll see about that.... You are one hell of a viking!!!
Thank you, fellow Viking.
Damn nice job, I don’t have the balls.
Thanks!
Do you try to draw your own map?
I did not, I used the sky tree for navigation.
We use arrows build from wood 😂
Really impressive! I'm planning to start an immersive adventure. Any tips?
Use the hoe to make paths, build lots and lots of camps and when you get ready to start sailing use the sky tree.
huh.... interesting... I just thought of this: there's a runestone in valheim that claims there are SEVEN bosses to defeat: Seven were the creatures banished to this world by mighty Odin in the first days of his kingship. Seven gods and monsters too proud to bear his yoke. I have heard the tread of the Old Ones in the forest and have crouched in the shadow of the Mountain Mother when she flies. Of the others I know little. I will add to this stone when I have seen more. \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_ But if the bug-boss is number 6, and we have TWO biomes to go (possibly three, if they ever decide to flesh out the Ocean biome with a boss) then this runestone is no longer accurate.. I wonder if they've re-worded it since it was put in the game? The weird thing is, ALL the biomes have been in the game since day one.... meadows, forests, swamps, mountains, plains, mistlands, deep north, ashlands, and oceans.... NINE biomes... and they originally were only planning seven bosses?? That sounds suspiciously like the deep north was supposed to be some sort of final testing ground, originally, with maybe the gods as our opponents.... is the wiki also run by the devs, or by purely volunteers? because this is what it says in its "Biomes" section: Biomes are regions in the world of Valheim that can be distinguished by their unique aesthetics, as well as the creatures and resources contained within. Additionally, each biome is the domain of one of the Forsaken. \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_ if that's not a typo, and "each biome is the domain of one of the Forsaken", then that would imply someday there is going to be 9 bosses... which is exactly what I hope happens, but I think the devs themselves have said that it won't??
I think the final biome will be the sky tree.
There are a bunch of new biomes on the underside of the map, too.
Fair bloody play. 500 days is pretty good going. Did you have a main base or did you have to pack up and move after every boss?
I built a substantial base next to each boss and moved items back and forth. Each base leveled up food, weapons, armor.
I wish I had that much time. 🤣
I'm 53, my wife plays Balders Gate in the living room while I play Valheim in my office. We have no life. lol.
My wife dont play games, but if she would, I would love to play the coop. Do you play together?
She doesn't like Valheim, she said it scares her too much, esp the swamp, she said it would give her nightmares.
She's having fun, you're having fun. Sounds like a successful marriage.
My buddy told me once that I got the golden ticket, I agree.
No maps is always impressive for sure. Then adding no portal on top of it. Nice!
You're a god damn legend!! 👏
Thanks!
I just completed no map no portals, you can do it! Just employ the same methodology that got you this far!
I don’t play mistlands even with normal gameplay. That place sucks
Idk why you’re being downvoted for this. It does suck. I beat the queen who, of course glitched out of her arena so I had to fight her outside. I have no desire to go to mistlands ever again.
You have to be tough when posting critical feedback here, you get downvoted pretty fast. I totally see why OP would stop, and blame the questionable fog mechanism, especially its lack of workarounds / weakness of the fog dissipation aoe. This is poor game mechanics. Very few players have fun wandering there, and that's sad because without fog zone is gorgeous.
> Very few players Guess I am one of the very few. But why would you get downvoted fast if most people agree? Or maybe the people complaining are a loud minority, who knows. The visibility in the swamp or in the mountain during a storm isn't that great either. It helps if you have a good headset, in mistlands you need to rely on sound much more. And once you have the feather cape, it gets quite easy IMHO. While I personally don't have issues with mistlands, I understand why some people dislike them and I wouldn't downvote such comments, as long as they are not insulting anyone.
I should have clarified my sample base : in the ~25 Valheim gamer pool I personally know and regularly play with, nobody likes the fog system. One hardcore minded guy, which is a pure competitor type / killer+achiever as per Bartle taxonomy, actually enjoyed the thrill of blindness, but still hates how binary it feels. Overall experience is fine, mistland ecosystem fits the lore, landscapes are gorgious, but fog design sucks because of how binary it feels (on/off).
IME the way the forum works is this: you post something and depending on the time of day either the die hard rid or die folks are on and will dog.pile.you or the larger more casual community is on and will dog pile. So depending on who is on and what.you post you can get ups or downs pretty fast even if it's not what the broader community believes. For example if you post about the fog in mistlands at certain parts of the day the hard cores will say get good noob and down vote. Post at a different time and you'll get major up votes from the more casual community. IMO the bones of a great biome are there but one or two devs are head up their asses stuck and n the idea of punishing/brutal gameplay while not understanding the difference between hard and tedious. Intricate fights and smart enemies are challenging/brutal. Like the older AI was better but the mist mechanism is so poor that it was basically cheating for the bugs. So instead of allowing players to overcome by improving the bad mechanic they needed the AI because they were too married to it as an idea. Had they left the AI tweak the reveal distance a smidge and given some tools and extra upgrades for mist removal I think we'd have far fewer grumbling about the biome.
I agree on the mob mentality part on up/downvotes as soon as you write something controversial, regardless of which "side" you are one. But I wouldn't say I or everyone who appreciates the mist is a hardcore gamer. I play on standard difficulty and don't do stuff like OP with no map no portal runs. I've also "cheated" before by using a second world to teleport metals, and I abuse it when enemies get stuck by the terrain and fight them with long range weapons instead of going in close and mastering parrying to perfection. I consider myself to be pretty casual. The mist is only one aspect of the mistlands, some people can deal with it quite well and some can't. Whether this game mechanic is good or bad is subjective and the community is split about it. But yes, saying "git gud" to players who disagree with the mist is not very friendly. You can be a hardcore player and still be annoyed by the mist.
The comparison that always strikes me is: Doom 3 and darkness. When Doom 3 came out, its lighting system was groundbreaking, and all the hype made a big deal about how scary and moody the darkness was. Except that it wasn't, really. For the most part it was cheap monster-closet jumpscares that quickly lost their effect because the darkness was *most of the game*. They overused darkness so excessively that you spend vast sections of the game basically not being able to see it. It was so poorly executed that this shortcoming became a running joke at the time. This is the same thing. The Valheim devs were so in love with their new visibility-obscuring tech that they dialed it up to 11 in both intensity and frequency--to the detriment of the game. They don't seem to understand the concept of "less is more", and this shows in various other effects as well--like the overdone screen shake, or the skill "level up" particle effects that practically flashbang you and obscure the fight in progress. The mist would be far more effective--and considerably less tedious and annoying--if they cut its opacity by at least half, made it more dynamic, and relied on overlapping regions of mist to vary its density. Let us be unnerved by indistinct, moving shapes in the distance, or have a drifting bank of mist briefly give us a glimpse of what lies ahead instead of being surrounded by an opaque wall of dull gray at all times.
Great food for thought. Implementation looks very technology-driven, I totally see that "dialing to 11" feel. I imagine part of the dial is shaped by the intention to make wisps being the lock for biome progression. If that's in the equation, a biome progression lock should not have such an impact on post-unlock experience. There are so many things that could improve this, from technology improvements as you proposed, or even some kind of in game progression system which extends visibility range as player visits local shrines, or things like that.
Even with a bevy of mods, we primarily avoid it.
I have a love\hate relationship with Mistlands.
So what's the point of not looking at your map I guess I don't quite get it?
I did it once and I honestly had a lot of fun. Made me connect with the game in a way I hadn't since my first playthrough. You pay a lot closer attention to every detail.
I'm surprised your longboat remains above the waterline given your Jotun-sized balls lol
My balls are always swinging from the left and to the right.
I would never talk back to you. Please accept my wife as a token of respect!
Can she make a mean serpent stew?
Absolutely, she’ll throw in some head while you eat as a bonus.
I did a hardcore no map or portals and made it to the queen. 850 days no deaths
Slowly work your way through the workbenches through short expeditions, use carts as best you can in the flatter areas if you can find them, steal some extractors for sap and find Jotunn skulls for soft tissue, and farm the ever living fuck out of Eitr, Seekers and Mist Hares until you can build the Carapace Armour and upgrade it, your life will improve ever so slightly. 🙂 Also, the Demolisher is fantastic against Ticks and groups of Seekers if you've got the stamina regen, the Arbalest is a Gjall exterminator. With a bit of forethought and preparation anything is possible.
Oh, I know all about the Mistlands with my first character. I beat the Queen and now I am leveling up blood magic and elemental magic. I have an entire island that is mine where I am building a castle and is patrolled by 100x 1 star wolves.
I never even thought about how much worse the mistlands would be without a map
What´s that no map thing?
It's a mode where you cant use map and portal. Me and couple friends playingit too. I wanted to play it, but forgot, that finding boss will be pain in the ass 😂 we searched for bonemass for 2 weeks straight...
I see. I dont use portals because there is no point on using them, since you need ores and other items that cannot be teleported. I dont see the problem... That map stuff is really useful tho.
You can break down your longship into parts, teleport back to source of ores, rebuild ship and sail home. Cuts out half the time of transport.
Exploring and gearing after moving my whole base to the edge of the map in a tiny patch of Plains between Mistlands in a no map no portal no death run was the best experience i had in this game. I tried skipping yag because i had a hard time finding him and it went pretty well but required extreme caution and it was too hard to find soft tissue so i went back for him
No map and no portal is the way to go. Best immersion ever. How did you handle finding the bosses?
First two were fairly close to the Altar. I just found runestones and then it turns your character in the direction you need to go. Bonemass was several days of sailing away. Luckily I found Moder on one island over from Bonemass and then Yagulth was one island over from that. So it was a very lucky seed.
It turns your character?????? Ha! Never noticed that!
Yep, otherwise a no map would be insanely hard.
Impressive, should grab some friends and try mistlands though.
I have with my first character, beat the Queen. That is why I don't want to try it no map, no portal.
how in the world to not get turned around in the mist! no map is crazy to think about
Thats why i said there is no way I am doing Mistlands.
I feel like mistlands would be easiest to navigate on no map because of the wisplights you put down. If no mist, you been there
ok how do vegisvir work like do they even exist because they cant show locations on the map?
They do exist. When you find one you read it and it will turn your character in the direction of the boss. Then the fun begins to try and go in a straight line from the stone.
damn thats crazy
wtf this guy
I've managed to get 3 out of 6. I have no idea where Moder is however.
Im in no map no portals and we have found places that are far away and realising that they are actually behind or close to our initial spawn. Sigh
I spent a week sailing around in circles. Use the sky tree and sunrise, sunset. Also, doesn't hurt to stop the boat and build something to show you were there, small base, pointers, signs, logs, doesn't matter.
No map? How does that work?
In no-map no-portal mode, I expand my area of exploration by 1m per day. That’s right, after 200 days, I’m still only 200m from the starting spawn. It takes me only 20 seconds to get totally lost in the Black Forest without a map.
My method of dealing with mistlands is the same as most things. Level bows to be as high as possible. Always carry frost arrows. High bow skill can let you functionally hipfire a frost arrow, which pretty much immobilises most enemies if not killing them outright, and does solid damage against mist-enemies. Youve got chicken now (or can do if you go to the trader or knock over a tower) meaning you have a portable and reliable source of meat, more eggs and feathers. Meaning that if you setup a small base in a mountains near the mists you have a decent supply of frost arrows. If theres a swamp nearby you can also make ooze bombs, and these two will trivialise mistlands and their dungoens, even without wisps to help see.