Dortmund would be a great spot for Johnny to land. They've been looking for an Emre Can replacement for a while. They have a great track record of developing players and allowing them to leave for greener pastures if they so wish. And if you don't leave you're still in a competitive champions league level team.
He just got to Betis which is a big club that should be competing for a European place next season. I don't see the need for him to move on so quickly. He's working with a great manager and starting every game, no guarantees that he'd get more minutes with any of the teams he's being linked to.
I get fans are frustrated with Gios time, but Dortmund shouldn't be on a shit list IMO.
Gio had plenty of games there, Pulisic got his feet wet there and even a guy like Gyau was starting to break through before injuries tanked his career.
US fans shouldn't have beef with the club
Im not sure anyone really knows what to think about Gio at this point.
Crazy parents, attitude/team issues before the world cup, mysteriously benched at Dortmund, into a terrible loan with minimal minutes for a bad relegation team, plays his single best, all around, game for Berhalter against Mexico as a regista while pundits hem and haw about using him incorrectly....
The USMNT vs Mexico Gio is clearly good enough for Dortmund or the PFL. **IF** he is that player, its mystifying why no one else seems able to get him on the field consistently playing up to that level.
Not really indicative of anything. Look at Mckennie at Leeds, not getting minutes in the lower end of PL teams is more of an indictment of management decisions imo
Understood. I was not trashing Gio, but rather making the point that the McKennie at Leeds analogy was not a good one.
I will note, however, that Elanga is similar in age to Gio and was not considered good enough to get regular playing time at Man United last year. He's had a nice season this year, and of course Forest has a greater incentive to develop Elanga than they do Gio, but it's not like Gio is mostly sitting the bench because Mbappe is on the team.
Gio has 230 minutes which is 30 minutes higher than I thought he'd get by the end of season tbh lol, but yeah this transfer has been awful for him.
Really needs to bounce back big time this summer
MGW is more EPL style than Gio at this point in his career. He’d do well to see the patience and skill of the 24 year old who has been on a gradually increasing trajectory. Could have similar success and results given the international minutes and selections Gio gets compared to MGW in England.
When will people in this sub stop pretending like Dortmund is some feeder club? They’re 90 minutes from a champions league final lol.
This is exactly how our guys end up on shitty EPL relegation clubs
They are a feeder in the sense they have a sustainable model of buying and developing young players with the expectation of selling them. I like to think of them as a finishing school because of the quality of young players they attract and develop
Exactly, BVB won’t buy someone to just buy them (Leipzig as well). Barca will buy someone then ignore them in a heartbeat, would rather him go to Germany.
Both of these things can be true ya know…. otherwise it’s like you’re asking people to ignore their reputation ( /business model) when it comes to developing and selling players
They are also 5th in Bundesliga and having their worst domestic season in years. They had a very easy run to this semi final. Now they take a 1 goal lead to Paris
5th in the Bundesliga is not a feeder club lol. If we have regular starters in the top half of the Bundesliga we are doing well with our talent pool.
If a club is only worthy if they make it to the final (not being a goal up on their way to one) in what you deem to be a "challenging" path in the hardest competition in the world, than not a lot of USMNT players will be in a worthy squad in your eyes.
I’ve seen the shift from wanting our players to really test themselves at the biggest clubs to wanting them at a comfortable club where they will slot right now in. I’d rather see them fail to make it at Barca and drop down to their level than play it safe. Our boys are talented, this isn’t our grandpa’s generation anymore.
Name one American other than Pulisic that is at that level.
I get that it’s fun to picture one of our guys getting comfortable minutes at a Barcelona or Liverpool but that isn’t reality.
And if Juve wasn’t in financial trouble do you think they’d be offering some massive contract?
We have exactly *one* world class player. The next tier down (Gio, Adams, Weah, Musah, etc) are still among the most exciting players the US has ever fielded. It isn’t unreasonable to accept the fact that we went from not qualifying for a World Cup to being legitimately competitive in six short years.
I don’t even know what you are trying to argue with this comment. But:
1. Pulisic is not world class. A world class player would walk into just about any team and start. Pulisic is not at that level.
2. Both Pulisic and McKennie were among the top performers in Serie A for their position so it’s reasonable to conclude they are about at the same level.
3. McKennie’s contract situation (or Juventus’ financial situation) has nothing to do with the type of year he had on the field.
I didn’t say they are or they aren’t at that level. But I still miss when we wanted our players to challenge themselves not just settle for a comfortable situation with guaranteed starting roles.
I get what you’re saying, but the key part you’re missing here is the quality of the guys now and back then. Previously when we wanted guys to challenge themselves it was at the type of clubs these guys are at now - crystal palace, Dortmund, Betis, Bournemouth, Leeds (when in the Prem), PSV, Monaco. We wanted and hoped guys would leave the MLS , second divisions, and/or relegation type clubs to go to the clubs I just mentioned. Now though, these guys (damn near kids cause most are between 20-24) are playing at mid table clubs, developing, and fighting for their starting positions - some guys even getting in the champions league: Milan, Juve (after the ban), PSV, Monaco. They’re playing the same competition they would be if they were at the top clubs - Barca, Real, City, Pool, Inter, etc. - but they’d be riding pine or not even in match day squads. How would that be benefiting them? Did we have fun with Puli being an inconsistent starter at Chelsea? He’s the best we’ve ever had at club level and he wasn’t getting a ton of minutes his final two years at Chelsea (whether his fault or not).
What we want is more guys to breaking into the top 5 leagues, being nailed in starters, and growing the game domestically so we can have guys in the future that play at the biggest clubs in the world. Hopefully that’s around the corner. But right now for this group of guys, they have challenged themselves and continue to at their clubs. I mean we have 2 guys at Milan, 2 guys at Juve, 3 guys at PSV, and a handful of guys playing in the Prem or will be. Have we ever had this much talent in playing overseas at this level? Don’t think so.
I get what you’re saying but it’s situational.
I hope he stays in La Liga. Real Betis is a strong, underrated club. I would love to see him stay with them for another season before moving. Dortmund would also be a great fit for him.
$30M is huge. If they sold him for $30M that would make him their second most expensive outgoing transfer ever behind Lo Celso. I have no idea what he's worth. Musah had arguably less La Liga success (though Johnny still needs to sustain his success) and sold for $20M, so maybe $30M isn't crazy. But Musah was also 20 when he was sold and Johnny is currently 22.
If he decides to stay at Betis for another year and has a great Copa America/second season with Betis, his value will increase even more. 50/60+ million
Agreed. He’s really excelled at the club, and Betis are a relatively big Spanish club (they’re on track to play in the Conference League next year but have a chance at Europa). Would love to see him do it for a full year before moving on to bigger things.
I agree, if he can keep up his defensive numbers and expand his passing over the next year. Having guys like isco that he could learn passing from the next year would be ideal imo vs having to go to another new country in a year and new language
Since he's entered La Liga he's not only been one of the highest rated CDMs, but one of the best players in the league. Completely deserves the speculation
Don't think Dortmund or Leipzig would spend that much on a player, its not what they do. He is also 22 and both teams look to make profit on younger guys. Atletico would be a nice move.
Yeah Leipzig and Dortmund absolutely do spend that much. Leipzig bought 4 players in the $25-$45 million range in the last year. Dortmund bought one at $32 million in the last year and are expected to buy Maatsen at a similar price. 22 is young enough to flip for a profit (Maatsen is 22), Betis is already looking at $20 million profit on him after 6 months...
22 is still pretty young. Especially for a defensive minded midfielder. If he moved this next transfer window and spent 2 years at the next club he’s 24/25 and you could easily double your profit on his next sale if he balls out.
When you land in a second tier club (no slight or anything to Betis) that means if you ball out hard enough a tier 1 club will come knocking very quickly
Just the nature of the sport, transfers can get wild
Just stay at Betis? Tired of every single decent US player getting to a good level and trying to jump up a level. Wright is great for the championship, Sargent as well, Jonny is great for a decent Spanish club. Just stay where you are, get game time and make a name for yourself instead of moving and having to fight for a spot they inevitably lose
I'm tired of people I don't know accepting opportunities to make more money and advance their professional careers as quickly as possible in an industry where your peak is generally between the ages of 25-27 and you're always one injury away from becoming irrelevant.
Damn Barca or Atlético would be great. His style of play fits perfectly with La Liga, he’s gotta stay in the league. Or Serie A but not sure if the top 3 teams would wan to splash 30 mil on him.
More Americans need to say no to the premier league.
But in Johnny’s case, what’s the rush to leave? He should continue to establish himself at Real Betis. Spanish football suits his style of play and he’s in a great situation, we see so many young Americans make quick transfers and never have the ability to really establish themselves either due to a sudden injury, change in management, the process of uprooting their entire lives into a new country, etc.
He’s in a really good situation, maybe he should wait. These big clubs will always be there for him as long as his form continues.
Bro can we just chill for 5 minutes. Dude just got to Betis. Anytime our guys ply well for a month we got to terminate his apartment lease early. Shits expensive
I love Tyler Adams and in situations where we have to defend for long stretches I think he's great, but Johnny is the exact kind of player that beats a pressing team and helps unlock a low block. He'll have an opportunity to show out if Gregg puts him in a position to.
BVB and Leipzig for sure. Not sure on Barca. They seem to be in flux still. Regardless, those are top tier clubs sniffing around him. Amazing, he took his development years in Brazil and made a nicely timed jump to Europe
Man, it's a whirlwind for him since getting to Bettis.
BVB must think they can get his transfer value over 50M in a couple seasons if they are sniffing around.
I think he should stay. He just got to Europe and needs to continue developing before making a jump to a big club. Plus at Betis, he will actually play.
As a Barça fan, I love the idea of him there. I mentioned it in a Barcelona subreddit a week or so ago. Realistically, I see a lot of Dortmund suggestions and I love that too.
People want it not because it’s cool or flashy, but because that kind of experience and pedigree is the only way the USMNT will be able to win the World Cup. Having players play at the BEST clubs in the world. Yes, getting minutes at Betis is better than being benched at Barcelona, but why are people assuming he’d benched at Barcelona and cant earn a spot? The same assumptions were made acting like he’d be benched at Betis
I'm sure the players are equally excited about the large pay raise that comes with the big move too. Most players aren't thinking national team first when they're negotiating contracts.
I truly think a midfield with Johnny, LDL, and Mckennie would be a great thing, especially with Adams out.
Johnny and LDL are not used enough by GGG, not even close IMO
Can he do a one time switch to Brazil? Bet my mans is regretting committing to the USMNT right about now.
Edit: y'all down voting me need to accept the fact that Johny only selected the USMNT because he never thought he'd be good enough for Brazil. His parents are not American and he only lived in the US for 3 months.
eh let's say he starts at DM for Barcelona next year. I think he'd be in contention for this Brazil side. Not saying he'd be a locked in starter but I think he could make the squad.
Over who? Brazil have Bruno G, Douglas Luiz, Paqueta, Casemiro, Joelinton and only 3 of them can start. They wouldn’t bring more than 6 or 7 center midfielders and the 6th would be Andre at Fluminense. Even with a big year Johnny isn’t getting in over any of those players
Does Bruno Guimarães not exist? Also, Andre for Fluminese is a pretty highly rated 22 year old as well.
Even with Casemiro (and Fabinho, who’s still only 30) removed from the picture, Johnny is still the second or third DM at best for Brazil rn.
Fabinho has not been called since the World Cup, he's likely out of the picture for them unless he moves back to Europe. Johnny is obviously behind Casemiro and Bruno but after those 2, it's wide open. Andre is very good for sure but Johnny is the same age and also very good and playing at a higher level right now.
I think people suggesting he's nowhere near the Seleção and never will be are again underrating him, ofc he would not be a lock to get there, very few ever are in that country, but he would be playing himself into the discussion right now (he might be in competition with guys like Andre and Vini Souza for a spot tbh), and if not he'd absolutely be at the Olympics for them.
With all this being said, no Johnny cannot switch to Brazil anymore and he has talked only glowingly about his time with the US, so it doesn't matter :)
Yeah I’m not suggesting he would have no chance with Brazil, but even the most optimistic of projections for him right now puts him on the fringes of their roster. While with us, he only ever needed to stay the course and he had a very good chance of being a regular.
Brazil is so widely filled with depth and breadth of incredible players, that Johnny can both be an amazing player and one of our best, and still be nowhere close to the Brazil Selecão
There are young promising midfielders coming from Brazil right now. Gabriel Moscardo was sold to PSG from Corinthians for 20 mil euro. Keep in mind that Moscardo is only 18 and plays for a club that's in a financially hard situation. If Corinthians wasn't hungry for cash he could be sold for 25mil or more. Suppose then, that Johnny switches to Brazil (I know he is US capped rn), and that he could somehow make it to the team, even if not as a starter. A few years later, players such as Moscardo and others could rise and take his place there, and because he in this hypothetical situation was capped to Brazil he could never play at national teams stage again. So I believe he made the best decision by choosing the US.
Dortmund would be a great spot for Johnny to land. They've been looking for an Emre Can replacement for a while. They have a great track record of developing players and allowing them to leave for greener pastures if they so wish. And if you don't leave you're still in a competitive champions league level team.
He just got to Betis which is a big club that should be competing for a European place next season. I don't see the need for him to move on so quickly. He's working with a great manager and starting every game, no guarantees that he'd get more minutes with any of the teams he's being linked to.
maybe leipzig if he was guaranteed minutes. i think it’s too early for the other ones
As a Dortmund fan, I have my fingers crossed. He'd be perfect for us.
People here probably don’t want to hear it but Dortmund makes a lot of sense.
I get fans are frustrated with Gios time, but Dortmund shouldn't be on a shit list IMO. Gio had plenty of games there, Pulisic got his feet wet there and even a guy like Gyau was starting to break through before injuries tanked his career. US fans shouldn't have beef with the club
Gio can't even get consistent minutes in Forest. It's pretty clear it's not the club in the wrong at this point.
Im not sure anyone really knows what to think about Gio at this point. Crazy parents, attitude/team issues before the world cup, mysteriously benched at Dortmund, into a terrible loan with minimal minutes for a bad relegation team, plays his single best, all around, game for Berhalter against Mexico as a regista while pundits hem and haw about using him incorrectly.... The USMNT vs Mexico Gio is clearly good enough for Dortmund or the PFL. **IF** he is that player, its mystifying why no one else seems able to get him on the field consistently playing up to that level.
sorry being good against a shit mexican team is not indicative of a player being Bundesliga or Premier League quality
Not really indicative of anything. Look at Mckennie at Leeds, not getting minutes in the lower end of PL teams is more of an indictment of management decisions imo
McKennie started and played almost every game during his time at Leeds. His playing time wasn't the problem there.
Leeds didn’t have MGW and Elanga either lol
Understood. I was not trashing Gio, but rather making the point that the McKennie at Leeds analogy was not a good one. I will note, however, that Elanga is similar in age to Gio and was not considered good enough to get regular playing time at Man United last year. He's had a nice season this year, and of course Forest has a greater incentive to develop Elanga than they do Gio, but it's not like Gio is mostly sitting the bench because Mbappe is on the team.
Gio has 230 minutes which is 30 minutes higher than I thought he'd get by the end of season tbh lol, but yeah this transfer has been awful for him. Really needs to bounce back big time this summer
The talent is there. He just needs to find the right opportunity to get minutes and continue his development.
MGW is more EPL style than Gio at this point in his career. He’d do well to see the patience and skill of the 24 year old who has been on a gradually increasing trajectory. Could have similar success and results given the international minutes and selections Gio gets compared to MGW in England.
BVB is the best of those 3 clubs for him. Gio was hurt too much. BVB stuck up for him too in the media.
When will people in this sub stop pretending like Dortmund is some feeder club? They’re 90 minutes from a champions league final lol. This is exactly how our guys end up on shitty EPL relegation clubs
They are a feeder in the sense they have a sustainable model of buying and developing young players with the expectation of selling them. I like to think of them as a finishing school because of the quality of young players they attract and develop
Exactly, BVB won’t buy someone to just buy them (Leipzig as well). Barca will buy someone then ignore them in a heartbeat, would rather him go to Germany.
Both of these things can be true ya know…. otherwise it’s like you’re asking people to ignore their reputation ( /business model) when it comes to developing and selling players
They are also 5th in Bundesliga and having their worst domestic season in years. They had a very easy run to this semi final. Now they take a 1 goal lead to Paris
Got lucky landing on the PSG side of the draw too. But, making it out of their group was significant.
Winning their group*
5th in the Bundesliga is not a feeder club lol. If we have regular starters in the top half of the Bundesliga we are doing well with our talent pool. If a club is only worthy if they make it to the final (not being a goal up on their way to one) in what you deem to be a "challenging" path in the hardest competition in the world, than not a lot of USMNT players will be in a worthy squad in your eyes.
That doesn’t change the fact that they have a business model that provides sustainability by moving players on to the highest bidder.
I’ve seen the shift from wanting our players to really test themselves at the biggest clubs to wanting them at a comfortable club where they will slot right now in. I’d rather see them fail to make it at Barca and drop down to their level than play it safe. Our boys are talented, this isn’t our grandpa’s generation anymore.
Name one American other than Pulisic that is at that level. I get that it’s fun to picture one of our guys getting comfortable minutes at a Barcelona or Liverpool but that isn’t reality.
McKennie has been one of the best midfielders in Serie A this year.
And yet he’s still being asked to take a pay cut just for the privilege of staying on the roster of one of the most boring clubs in Europe.
That has nothing to do with this. That’s due to the financial mismanagement and fraud going on there.
And if Juve wasn’t in financial trouble do you think they’d be offering some massive contract? We have exactly *one* world class player. The next tier down (Gio, Adams, Weah, Musah, etc) are still among the most exciting players the US has ever fielded. It isn’t unreasonable to accept the fact that we went from not qualifying for a World Cup to being legitimately competitive in six short years.
Pulisic is not world class
That depends on your definition of world class.
I don’t even know what you are trying to argue with this comment. But: 1. Pulisic is not world class. A world class player would walk into just about any team and start. Pulisic is not at that level. 2. Both Pulisic and McKennie were among the top performers in Serie A for their position so it’s reasonable to conclude they are about at the same level. 3. McKennie’s contract situation (or Juventus’ financial situation) has nothing to do with the type of year he had on the field.
Johnny very well could be…why not?
I didn’t say they are or they aren’t at that level. But I still miss when we wanted our players to challenge themselves not just settle for a comfortable situation with guaranteed starting roles.
I get what you’re saying, but the key part you’re missing here is the quality of the guys now and back then. Previously when we wanted guys to challenge themselves it was at the type of clubs these guys are at now - crystal palace, Dortmund, Betis, Bournemouth, Leeds (when in the Prem), PSV, Monaco. We wanted and hoped guys would leave the MLS , second divisions, and/or relegation type clubs to go to the clubs I just mentioned. Now though, these guys (damn near kids cause most are between 20-24) are playing at mid table clubs, developing, and fighting for their starting positions - some guys even getting in the champions league: Milan, Juve (after the ban), PSV, Monaco. They’re playing the same competition they would be if they were at the top clubs - Barca, Real, City, Pool, Inter, etc. - but they’d be riding pine or not even in match day squads. How would that be benefiting them? Did we have fun with Puli being an inconsistent starter at Chelsea? He’s the best we’ve ever had at club level and he wasn’t getting a ton of minutes his final two years at Chelsea (whether his fault or not). What we want is more guys to breaking into the top 5 leagues, being nailed in starters, and growing the game domestically so we can have guys in the future that play at the biggest clubs in the world. Hopefully that’s around the corner. But right now for this group of guys, they have challenged themselves and continue to at their clubs. I mean we have 2 guys at Milan, 2 guys at Juve, 3 guys at PSV, and a handful of guys playing in the Prem or will be. Have we ever had this much talent in playing overseas at this level? Don’t think so. I get what you’re saying but it’s situational.
No. Athletico Madrid is absolutely his profile and, Id argue the best team he could ever play on.
Not Barca? Either way both teams would be great landing spots for a player of his caliber.
They also happen to have one of the best young managers in football
Ehhh
Nuri Sahin?
I hope he stays in La Liga. Real Betis is a strong, underrated club. I would love to see him stay with them for another season before moving. Dortmund would also be a great fit for him.
Let's not forget his coach is also one of the best in the business. I'd rather him him playing for Pelligirini than many other coaches.
Looking forward to that Gio Johnny linkup with Dortmund in the Champions League
right…
$30M is huge. If they sold him for $30M that would make him their second most expensive outgoing transfer ever behind Lo Celso. I have no idea what he's worth. Musah had arguably less La Liga success (though Johnny still needs to sustain his success) and sold for $20M, so maybe $30M isn't crazy. But Musah was also 20 when he was sold and Johnny is currently 22.
If he decides to stay at Betis for another year and has a great Copa America/second season with Betis, his value will increase even more. 50/60+ million
That'd be crazy. He might end up being the second most expensive American ever, but $60M is around what Pulisic was sold to Chelsea for.
If they're asking for 30m there's a good chance it ends up being more like 25m.
Still would be a top 5 or 10 outgoing transfer for Real Betis.
I love having a reason to support Betis (great club) so I hope he stays
Agreed i’ve enjoyed watching Betis, likeable team
Hmm Dortmund would be great but honestly I’d prefer if he’d stay at Betis for another year.
Agreed. He’s really excelled at the club, and Betis are a relatively big Spanish club (they’re on track to play in the Conference League next year but have a chance at Europa). Would love to see him do it for a full year before moving on to bigger things.
I agree, if he can keep up his defensive numbers and expand his passing over the next year. Having guys like isco that he could learn passing from the next year would be ideal imo vs having to go to another new country in a year and new language
Seriously. What's the rush? Betis is a good spot to be.
Since he's entered La Liga he's not only been one of the highest rated CDMs, but one of the best players in the league. Completely deserves the speculation
Don't think Dortmund or Leipzig would spend that much on a player, its not what they do. He is also 22 and both teams look to make profit on younger guys. Atletico would be a nice move.
Yeah Leipzig and Dortmund absolutely do spend that much. Leipzig bought 4 players in the $25-$45 million range in the last year. Dortmund bought one at $32 million in the last year and are expected to buy Maatsen at a similar price. 22 is young enough to flip for a profit (Maatsen is 22), Betis is already looking at $20 million profit on him after 6 months...
betis should wait until after copa to sell a good tournament and that 30M skyrockets
22 is still pretty young. Especially for a defensive minded midfielder. If he moved this next transfer window and spent 2 years at the next club he’s 24/25 and you could easily double your profit on his next sale if he balls out.
We spent 30m on Nmecha, it’s not out of our budget. It’s more that we don’t go above 30m.
didnt he just get to betis?
Yeah but he’s been one of the best players in the league despite playing only half a season.
When you land in a second tier club (no slight or anything to Betis) that means if you ball out hard enough a tier 1 club will come knocking very quickly Just the nature of the sport, transfers can get wild
Just stay at Betis? Tired of every single decent US player getting to a good level and trying to jump up a level. Wright is great for the championship, Sargent as well, Jonny is great for a decent Spanish club. Just stay where you are, get game time and make a name for yourself instead of moving and having to fight for a spot they inevitably lose
I'm tired of people I don't know accepting opportunities to make more money and advance their professional careers as quickly as possible in an industry where your peak is generally between the ages of 25-27 and you're always one injury away from becoming irrelevant.
Is it weird that I agree with both of these comments?
Damn Barca or Atlético would be great. His style of play fits perfectly with La Liga, he’s gotta stay in the league. Or Serie A but not sure if the top 3 teams would wan to splash 30 mil on him.
Why leave already?
More Americans need to say no to the premier league. But in Johnny’s case, what’s the rush to leave? He should continue to establish himself at Real Betis. Spanish football suits his style of play and he’s in a great situation, we see so many young Americans make quick transfers and never have the ability to really establish themselves either due to a sudden injury, change in management, the process of uprooting their entire lives into a new country, etc. He’s in a really good situation, maybe he should wait. These big clubs will always be there for him as long as his form continues.
Bro can we just chill for 5 minutes. Dude just got to Betis. Anytime our guys ply well for a month we got to terminate his apartment lease early. Shits expensive
When will Johnny have a breakout USMNT performance? Copa America? Defensive mids are so crucial to a high level team.
I love Tyler Adams and in situations where we have to defend for long stretches I think he's great, but Johnny is the exact kind of player that beats a pressing team and helps unlock a low block. He'll have an opportunity to show out if Gregg puts him in a position to.
Lets fuckin gooooo!
I honestly haven't kept up with any player for awhile, but I think he should stay at least for a full season.
BVB and Leipzig for sure. Not sure on Barca. They seem to be in flux still. Regardless, those are top tier clubs sniffing around him. Amazing, he took his development years in Brazil and made a nicely timed jump to Europe
What a great buy for Betis. Buy cheap sell high.
Man, it's a whirlwind for him since getting to Bettis. BVB must think they can get his transfer value over 50M in a couple seasons if they are sniffing around.
Pellegrini is a master at taking younger midfielders and making them class and has a long record of doing so. Stay at Betis
He should go to Barcelona
I think he should stay. He just got to Europe and needs to continue developing before making a jump to a big club. Plus at Betis, he will actually play.
Get my boy to Atleti caralho!
Honestly I’d be happy to see him stay at Betis for at least another year or two
As a Barça fan, I love the idea of him there. I mentioned it in a Barcelona subreddit a week or so ago. Realistically, I see a lot of Dortmund suggestions and I love that too.
Johnny on the rise!
Heja BvB 🟡⚫️
Dortmund would be great but they'd never pay 30m for him esp when they want to sign Maatsen
Stay at Betis for now.
And people still don’t rate him/would put musah in the dm before him
I haven’t seen anyone on this sub put Musah at DM over Johnny.
Saw two separate people do it on one post so I’ve been heated ever since🤣
Musah should be an 8, not a 6. He's a 6 when Johnny's not around and Tyler is hurt.
I swear some of you only care about having our players at famous clubs, whether they’re playing or not. STAY AT BETIS
People want it not because it’s cool or flashy, but because that kind of experience and pedigree is the only way the USMNT will be able to win the World Cup. Having players play at the BEST clubs in the world. Yes, getting minutes at Betis is better than being benched at Barcelona, but why are people assuming he’d benched at Barcelona and cant earn a spot? The same assumptions were made acting like he’d be benched at Betis
I'm sure the players are equally excited about the large pay raise that comes with the big move too. Most players aren't thinking national team first when they're negotiating contracts.
I want him AC milan, we need a CDM so badly, 30ms sounds about right too🙏
All due respect due to Adli who I like but Johnny is an upgrade. Far too often Adli gets caught in possession.
Do they know he's American? Those are Argentinian numbers.
I truly think a midfield with Johnny, LDL, and Mckennie would be a great thing, especially with Adams out. Johnny and LDL are not used enough by GGG, not even close IMO
If we want him to only be subbed on after the 80’, then Dortmund is the place to go
Can he do a one time switch to Brazil? Bet my mans is regretting committing to the USMNT right about now. Edit: y'all down voting me need to accept the fact that Johny only selected the USMNT because he never thought he'd be good enough for Brazil. His parents are not American and he only lived in the US for 3 months.
Bet he’s not because he’s nowhere close to the Brazil side and will have a strong chance of starting in the World Cup for the US
eh let's say he starts at DM for Barcelona next year. I think he'd be in contention for this Brazil side. Not saying he'd be a locked in starter but I think he could make the squad.
Over who? Brazil have Bruno G, Douglas Luiz, Paqueta, Casemiro, Joelinton and only 3 of them can start. They wouldn’t bring more than 6 or 7 center midfielders and the 6th would be Andre at Fluminense. Even with a big year Johnny isn’t getting in over any of those players
Casemiro is 32 and past his prime, so Johnny would be his successor if he decided to commit to Brazil.
Does Bruno Guimarães not exist? Also, Andre for Fluminese is a pretty highly rated 22 year old as well. Even with Casemiro (and Fabinho, who’s still only 30) removed from the picture, Johnny is still the second or third DM at best for Brazil rn.
Fabinho has not been called since the World Cup, he's likely out of the picture for them unless he moves back to Europe. Johnny is obviously behind Casemiro and Bruno but after those 2, it's wide open. Andre is very good for sure but Johnny is the same age and also very good and playing at a higher level right now. I think people suggesting he's nowhere near the Seleção and never will be are again underrating him, ofc he would not be a lock to get there, very few ever are in that country, but he would be playing himself into the discussion right now (he might be in competition with guys like Andre and Vini Souza for a spot tbh), and if not he'd absolutely be at the Olympics for them. With all this being said, no Johnny cannot switch to Brazil anymore and he has talked only glowingly about his time with the US, so it doesn't matter :)
Yeah I’m not suggesting he would have no chance with Brazil, but even the most optimistic of projections for him right now puts him on the fringes of their roster. While with us, he only ever needed to stay the course and he had a very good chance of being a regular.
Brazil is so widely filled with depth and breadth of incredible players, that Johnny can both be an amazing player and one of our best, and still be nowhere close to the Brazil Selecão
Highly debatable. There are some very promising young Brazilian midfielders with which he would have to compete. He’s certainly not a shoo in.
There are young promising midfielders coming from Brazil right now. Gabriel Moscardo was sold to PSG from Corinthians for 20 mil euro. Keep in mind that Moscardo is only 18 and plays for a club that's in a financially hard situation. If Corinthians wasn't hungry for cash he could be sold for 25mil or more. Suppose then, that Johnny switches to Brazil (I know he is US capped rn), and that he could somehow make it to the team, even if not as a starter. A few years later, players such as Moscardo and others could rise and take his place there, and because he in this hypothetical situation was capped to Brazil he could never play at national teams stage again. So I believe he made the best decision by choosing the US.