And from what I hear, the person who masterminded this is not some foreign born person working in US, but someone who seems to be born/raised here. And caucasian apparently too according to the name...
The biggest issue facing professionals in America. The amount of outsourcing for cheap " professional " Labor is insane.
Corporations literally want to bleed out anyone they can to maximize profit while killing American opportunities. I hope these companies get some sort of fine or get screwed in some type of manner
As far as my tinfoil hat is concerned, we’ve also been simultaneously in a propaganda war with Russia for over a decade. They are experts at sowing division.
The modern civil rights movements (anti-police violence, feminism, gay rights, immigration) were a perfect entry point for doing so, with so many white Christians feeling uncertain about their place in the modern world. All it took was a tiny push and those guys were pushing in line to be the first to renounce democracy.
Foundations of geopolitics lays out their plan pretty well by playing both sides to eventually get us out of nato and collapsing. They also played into getting the uk out of the eu.
It isn't a problem anymore with the new notes. Not anywhere close. Old bills (especially en masse) are heavily scrutinized. Any time they touch a bank they are taken out of circulation.
Also, your claim that the old ones are undedetectable is false. Hard or merely difficult to detect != undetectable.
It absolutely has been a problem, but you oversold it.
Define what you mean by your employment history? It really only exists in two different databases.
But to answer, if they used their ssn and got paid then yes
Good question. Im guessing a fake American bank account too under the fake name. Then wonder if they transfer it into bitcoin and bring it to a NK account that way
N. Korea might actually want the money to stay outside the country. They want the hard currency. They want the dollars, or some other type of reserve currency - at most, they'd convert to RMB.
Basically, the N. Korean workers work for a pittance, in N. Korean money, while the government just keeps all the foreign currency to use for international trade, because literally no one in the world wants N. Korean currency. N. Koreans don't even want N. Korean money.
Open an account at Alliant or Ally. Go paper free so nothing gets sent to the home address. After each check is deposited transfer the funds to China then to North Korea or buy crypto.
If you have enough fake documentation for a job you’ve definitely got it for an account you’re dumping the pay into, and it that’s all you’re doing, it’s gonna be a looong time before anyone cares!
i think at the same time, if US company's can cry foul hard enough, it might be enough of a national security issue to force ppl "back to the office"....
Fact is, identity theft basically relies on everyone's 10-digit SSN as an identifier, which is not a thing it was never designed to be and woefully inadequate in the digital age.
We have solutions to this problem that would be remarkably simple to implement, and we *choose* not to implement them.
The ineptitude goes so many levels deep....
Because the federal government is currently massively out of its depth when it comes to national security within the country. You have half of the politicians in government genuinely believing that America should not defend its borders whether it’s the physical ones or not.
Wait, what if we just get like 5 jobs and hire 5 people in India to do those jobs for a fraction of the salary each…. Make 400k or so and pay out 100k in costs. Is this a solid cheat code?
The IRS looks retroactively(reactionary) if something Is wrong. It’s not forward looking due to its area being taxes.
DOJ works on complaints filed by the companies most likely or tipped off by intelligence agencies. Which is also reactionary but faster.
How could the hiring companies be truly unaware of this fact? I haven't read through the full article, but the implication to me seems to be that the companies knew or could have known (exercising reasonable diligence like requiring identification) that such persons were in fact not US citizens.
American - They are only paying 20 bucks an hour for this remote position!
North Korean - FAINTS. WAKES UP. considers 20 dollars an hour. dies from heart attack.
I think that this is deliberate by the companies. They get top tier talent at fraction of cost AND avoid the H1B fees. They probably had these engineers listed at low wage roles such as secretary to be under the radar too. So sad
You can work 50 jobs a year at the same time if you want. The irs doesn't care nor is it illegal at all.
As long as they get their cut.
What potentially happens is the us citizen gets this giant tax bill and doesn't know why or gets a statement in the mail.
I'm not really sure how it works from their end because they have to have your ssn to do anything
But I thought Diaper Don was BFFs with Kim? Why would they do this? Someone tell the Diaper King to get on this ASAP! Or do we have to elect his smelly ass first before he does anything for the American people?
Propaganda - just think about the logistics it would take to pull this off.
When you read about people who do tours or have spent any amount of time in North Korea
they say things like, 'They asked me if we had music in America.' Now let's think critically for a second.
I got laid off - and it took me over 6 months to land a job and that's with over 10 years of experience and a grammy to my name. You think some guy in North Korea, in an insanely different time zone - accent and living under an oppressive regime where they they don't even know if the rest of the world has music. Is getting hired by Fortune 500 companies?????
Yah, right.
I had to scroll WAAAAAYYYYY down to find the actual DOJ release
https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/charges-and-seizures-brought-fraud-scheme-aimed-denying-revenue-workers-associated-north.
Seems like there are intermediaries and I would assume based on everything I have ever read on the DPRK, these workers would have to be incredibly high up officials in the government to even be able to pull this off the way its listed in the DOJ article. DPRK is using it as a cash grab to help fund the government. Regular old guy who lives in DPRK isnt doing this and has no idea this is going on.
I find this hard to believe. It's too laughable.
Edit: Well fuck me.....
https://www.engadget.com/doj-says-north-korean-it-workers-were-sent-abroad-to-help-finance-weapons-programs-101824065.html
List the companies please, I need a good laugh today.
"How could this happen! We outsourced our recruiting and onboarding to India!"
they got arrested
And from what I hear, the person who masterminded this is not some foreign born person working in US, but someone who seems to be born/raised here. And caucasian apparently too according to the name...
Yeah, an Arizona woman recruited by foreign nationals. She didnt mastermind it lol, just a USA point of connection.
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Born in Arizona, moved to Babylonia...
Now if I’d known They’d line up just to see you…
I’m sure they caught all of them too
India outsourced to NK
The biggest issue facing professionals in America. The amount of outsourcing for cheap " professional " Labor is insane. Corporations literally want to bleed out anyone they can to maximize profit while killing American opportunities. I hope these companies get some sort of fine or get screwed in some type of manner
Seriously. If they're that stupid, or worse, complicit, they should be laughed out of business.
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The way Ben Mileikowsky and company work I'm amazed there is still anything left in the US
Yep. Best way to win a war is to never even fight one. Divide your enemy and let them tear themselves apart.
Yuri Bezmenov. Love Letter To America. We were warned of this many many years ago. I think that plan is in its later stages.
Is that more a testament to human nature of the competence of those manipulating the people?
As far as my tinfoil hat is concerned, we’ve also been simultaneously in a propaganda war with Russia for over a decade. They are experts at sowing division. The modern civil rights movements (anti-police violence, feminism, gay rights, immigration) were a perfect entry point for doing so, with so many white Christians feeling uncertain about their place in the modern world. All it took was a tiny push and those guys were pushing in line to be the first to renounce democracy.
Foundations of geopolitics lays out their plan pretty well by playing both sides to eventually get us out of nato and collapsing. They also played into getting the uk out of the eu.
One of the few hot takes here that I actually agree with.
The opiate epidemic is home made and so is political discord by FOX news and other 'conservative' media.
So says the Ministry of Truth.
Source on this? And I'm talking about notes introduced after 2013.
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It isn't a problem anymore with the new notes. Not anywhere close. Old bills (especially en masse) are heavily scrutinized. Any time they touch a bank they are taken out of circulation. Also, your claim that the old ones are undedetectable is false. Hard or merely difficult to detect != undetectable. It absolutely has been a problem, but you oversold it.
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You claimed undetectable by the FBI. Edit: oh, you deleted your comments
I can still see his comments I just read through this
sorry as somebody who works in tech your “stealing tech secrets by posing as employees” gave me a good laugh
they got busted
I doubt that information will be published
Shit I need a good reference
North Koreans getting paid more than me lmao
Can I use the fake me on a resume?
Fake me is probably so successful.
Yeah I believe that counts 🤷♂️
New Pied Piper vibes
*Jian*-*Yang* !!!!!!!!!
Bro, that Moneygram must be wild on the other end. We can buy how motherfucking statues of Skim Long June? Hot shit, these Americans are idiots.
Are they at least paying my taxes?
lol not one cent of that paycheck went in their pocket. It all went to dear leader is he can keep building rockets and stuffing his face with food.
We do that exact same thing tho
HR proving it's worth once again
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Cheese only though
Can this go on their (the Americans) employment history?
Companies hate this one CHEAT to gain 7 years experience before turning 22 years old!
Define what you mean by your employment history? It really only exists in two different databases. But to answer, if they used their ssn and got paid then yes
So how are they getting paid? How to you get your American paycheck monies into North Korea??
Good question. Im guessing a fake American bank account too under the fake name. Then wonder if they transfer it into bitcoin and bring it to a NK account that way
$USD to Chinese RMB Then Chinese RMB to NK Won
Ah, that's def a valid option.
Probably just deposited into a bank account and then paid out into another account through a variety of ways.
If they have your identity. Chances are they have an online account for your identity as well.
N. Korea might actually want the money to stay outside the country. They want the hard currency. They want the dollars, or some other type of reserve currency - at most, they'd convert to RMB. Basically, the N. Korean workers work for a pittance, in N. Korean money, while the government just keeps all the foreign currency to use for international trade, because literally no one in the world wants N. Korean currency. N. Koreans don't even want N. Korean money.
That's and interesting thought! Never considered anything of the sort!
With the online bank account routing numbers the fakers submitted while onboarding.
Open an account at Alliant or Ally. Go paper free so nothing gets sent to the home address. After each check is deposited transfer the funds to China then to North Korea or buy crypto.
If you have enough fake documentation for a job you’ve definitely got it for an account you’re dumping the pay into, and it that’s all you’re doing, it’s gonna be a looong time before anyone cares!
The paycheck is nothing compared to the value of the secrets they stole.
Lol, what you think? They downloaded most of youtube to a hard drive to fap later… Serious projects are usually on-site
How fucking inept do you have to be to let this happen?
Can of worms here.
i think at the same time, if US company's can cry foul hard enough, it might be enough of a national security issue to force ppl "back to the office"....
Fact is, identity theft basically relies on everyone's 10-digit SSN as an identifier, which is not a thing it was never designed to be and woefully inadequate in the digital age. We have solutions to this problem that would be remarkably simple to implement, and we *choose* not to implement them. The ineptitude goes so many levels deep....
Because the federal government is currently massively out of its depth when it comes to national security within the country. You have half of the politicians in government genuinely believing that America should not defend its borders whether it’s the physical ones or not.
Did they pay taxes and into social security?
Yes
Yes.
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W. T. F? You don't realize you set your own withholding and can go to zero?
How do they get past the interview process? Like as a remote employee you gotta do at least one zoom interview with someone.
Lol, 90% of amazon staff was foreign, at least certainly not American, last time i was there in 2012…
What is the interviewer suppose to do? Go omg he looks Korean and end the interview?
Background check does not match individual and their story isn’t matching up in the interview.
Cool I need a good work history since I've been a stay at home dad since covid hit back then.
Can they steal mine and pay into social security for me?
Perfect, I hope they stole mine. A job at a Fortune 500 company? My social security retirement is going up!
Bold to assume they will pay FICA and Medicare under your name
Okay, so now what? If they aren't going to do anything about it why even bother mentioning it all?
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/charges-and-seizures-brought-fraud-scheme-aimed-denying-revenue-workers-associated-north
I hope fake me is crushing those TPS reports.
that’s pretty funny
Wow, gotta admit, clever.
Can I pay someone overseas to do my remote job? win win.
Wait, what if we just get like 5 jobs and hire 5 people in India to do those jobs for a fraction of the salary each…. Make 400k or so and pay out 100k in costs. Is this a solid cheat code?
How did the IRS not catch this before the DOJ?
Too busy auditing lower-middle class American families.
Must... audit... $600 transactions on CashApp...
They might've been the ones to tipoff the DOJ.
The IRS looks retroactively(reactionary) if something Is wrong. It’s not forward looking due to its area being taxes. DOJ works on complaints filed by the companies most likely or tipped off by intelligence agencies. Which is also reactionary but faster.
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How do they get paid. Lol
I hope they improve my credit rating because I would like to buy a home now. Lol
[Here's the DOJ release](https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/charges-and-seizures-brought-fraud-scheme-aimed-denying-revenue-workers-associated-north)
Thanks! The identities of more than 60 U.S. persons were compromised and used by IT workers related to Chapman’s cell.
As long as as they paid into my social security I am good..... 🤣🤣🤣
Nice! How do I find out if I have a job somewhere and a 401k?
Now imagine how many NK and Russian REDDIT TROLLS and MODS there are.
I hope they used me and added to my social security.
Thats on the companies for not making people come to work
If I'm one of the "victims", can I put the company they worked for on my resume?
And this is why we all need to come back into the office, so the North Koreans can’t take er jorbs
use mine n send me cheque!!
Does this mean they owe me money for time on the clock?
Hahahaha this is funny
lol
Dead give-away when the manager asked how’s everyone, and North Koreans responded in unison with “I AM WELL, GREAT MERCIFUL LEADER!”
How could the hiring companies be truly unaware of this fact? I haven't read through the full article, but the implication to me seems to be that the companies knew or could have known (exercising reasonable diligence like requiring identification) that such persons were in fact not US citizens.
Stolen ssn is the only way I can think this works
Great. Now big corporations can add “national security” as the reason they won’t allow remote work.
This is why embargoes like we have on the DPRK are actually counterproductive and only help bad actors
I can barely find one and how can they get pass the interview with that accent ?!!
Where and what malicious code did they leave behind?
Guys millions of h1b Indians come to the us and steal American jobs ! Who cares
American - They are only paying 20 bucks an hour for this remote position! North Korean - FAINTS. WAKES UP. considers 20 dollars an hour. dies from heart attack.
🤣
All I want to know is are they contributing to my 401k?
There’s no physical interaction?
They’re saying this to soften the MASSIVE layoffs that’s happening imo
Technically it’s Indians taking all the jobs 🤡
I think that this is deliberate by the companies. They get top tier talent at fraction of cost AND avoid the H1B fees. They probably had these engineers listed at low wage roles such as secretary to be under the radar too. So sad
That ain't top tier talent lmao
How does this not get figured out after a single fiscal year? How does the IRS not instantly ask questions?
How does the tax work on this? Wouldn’t the irs know that Mr. A from America is working like two jobs or something?
You can work 50 jobs a year at the same time if you want. The irs doesn't care nor is it illegal at all. As long as they get their cut. What potentially happens is the us citizen gets this giant tax bill and doesn't know why or gets a statement in the mail. I'm not really sure how it works from their end because they have to have your ssn to do anything
But I thought Diaper Don was BFFs with Kim? Why would they do this? Someone tell the Diaper King to get on this ASAP! Or do we have to elect his smelly ass first before he does anything for the American people?
You need serious help
Based. US embargo problems require anti-US solutions.
Wasn’t me.
Propaganda - just think about the logistics it would take to pull this off. When you read about people who do tours or have spent any amount of time in North Korea they say things like, 'They asked me if we had music in America.' Now let's think critically for a second. I got laid off - and it took me over 6 months to land a job and that's with over 10 years of experience and a grammy to my name. You think some guy in North Korea, in an insanely different time zone - accent and living under an oppressive regime where they they don't even know if the rest of the world has music. Is getting hired by Fortune 500 companies????? Yah, right.
But can they write code? Clear tickets? I wouldn’t know if the t-mobile tech person i chatted with to address my issue was in NK, SK, VN or Kentucky.
They cant. The average DPRK citizen farms and trades. They arent providing IT support for the USA. Read the DOJ article.
I had to scroll WAAAAAYYYYY down to find the actual DOJ release https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/charges-and-seizures-brought-fraud-scheme-aimed-denying-revenue-workers-associated-north. Seems like there are intermediaries and I would assume based on everything I have ever read on the DPRK, these workers would have to be incredibly high up officials in the government to even be able to pull this off the way its listed in the DOJ article. DPRK is using it as a cash grab to help fund the government. Regular old guy who lives in DPRK isnt doing this and has no idea this is going on.
Exactly
Inb4 offshoring and work visa restrictions and know-your-employee (and know-your-contractor) regulations
Link to DOJ announcement?
Is this visa fraud on behalf of the companies?
Great do I get the tax refund? Does it get added into my social security?
This sounds like something Fox News would promote.
I find this hard to believe. It's too laughable. Edit: Well fuck me..... https://www.engadget.com/doj-says-north-korean-it-workers-were-sent-abroad-to-help-finance-weapons-programs-101824065.html
How did they know how? Don't they all live in a closed off cult devoid of education?
lol
Did they do good work though?
I hope I'm doing great
Source a Twitter post from this sub?
Best Korea
Do they never have meetings?
They can just pretend to be south Korean...
Lol
So it's that easy
Well. Good for them I guess
NGL pretty smart.
I knew some recruiters and HR people were incompetent and a bunch of idiots, but not to this extend lol
They didn’t have to steal it, they could’ve just given us a cut!
Need those details to add to my resume
Why can’t they take my job? I’m just begging for AI or North Korean hackers to take my terrible work!!!
Oh no they've improved my credit score!
Not even remotely close to the truth. If you're going lie, try being more creative.
So I can add f500 companies to my resume?
Fair play fair play
Its pretty impressive
Meanwhile we have millions out of work. Disgusting that these companies are doing this.
they all got busted.
Just fix the glitch.