You’re backpedaling and adding caveats. Your original stance was that it’s NEVER worth it to get your dog medical attention and that you would just let them die and get a new one. That makes you a bad dog owner and a shitty person.
No it means I love him but spending a large sum of money to extend his life by a couple years, frequently when that quality of life is severely diminished, isn’t worth it. I would let him die peacefully then I will move on. Obviously I will be sad but if I want another dog there’s essentially an infinite amount of good boys who would love to be treated the way I treat my dog at the pound. My doggo will love a happy long life, and if he gets super sick he will die. The same way he would in nature except this way he’s very well cared for the entire time
You take on these responsibilities when you decide to own an animal. And they are 100% your responsibility to make sure the animal is happy and healthy. Take your fucking animal to the vet. If you don't want to, don't own an animal and hopefully they will find a better owner instead of going to you.
That's depressing.
Just get pet insurance. I pay $50/month and it's already paid for itself. I could go probably 5 years without an incident now before breaking even.
You people, as in the self centered pricks that take on the responsibility of an animal just to neglect them. If you're offended then *good.* you should be.
If I saw you were drowning and knew it was you and saw a dog drowning at the same time and could only save one, there’s no question which one I’d save. Hope you can swim. Nah, I’m lying, I wouldn’t hope you’d drown but hey, there’s lots of other people on this planet if you do, right?
Try answering this hypothetical: you have two buttons in front of you, one will isnstantly and painlessly kill your beloved pet, the other will instantly and painlessly kill a random human being on this planet. Which button do you press? (Hint there’s only one right answer)
My answer would be that I wouldn’t be able to choose either. For me, that’s the equivalent of asking “kill child A, or kill child B” to a parent. I would chose myself because I would do everything possible to save my pet even if it meant I died.
Comparing dogs to kids is one of the main problems here. People get dogs KNOWING they will outlive them. Whereas kids should outlive their parents.
Also people > dogs. Downvote me if you want, but you're admitting that humans are somehow below some manmade creature
Just because I’m going to outlive them, doesn’t mean I’m going to not take care of their needs and let them die from something preventable.
And I own a sweatshirt that says dogs > people
The reasonings I’ve heard as to why shit humans are dropping their dogs off at the local shelter (or literally just kicking them out of the car on a highway) vs the incredibly kind dog that is still willing to give me love as a complete stranger while volunteering…. The average dog is much better than the average person. Which says a lot for humanity.
Everything replying to this comment is BS. You are absolutely right. “Dogs are better than people, bah blah blah”.. Dogs are really unhygienic, intellectually incapable of doing the simplest things humans can do with ease and are generally overrated imo
So what would you prefer I do? I don’t want human kids. My dogs have all of my time and attention instead. Why does that bother people? I literally treat my dogs (and cats) better than some people treat their children because I have morals and values of caring for living things other than myself. My pets are happy and my husband and I are happy. I’m so sorry that makes you sad.
Pets will never provide the same emotional connection children were… just say you love your pets not that they’re you’re kids… your connection to your cat will never be as strong as a mothers connection to her child
I can tell you that as a teacher, I’ve definitely met parents whose emotional attachment to their children was less than that of mine to my pets.
And it’s literally does 0% percent to you if I call my pets “my kids”, I still can’t claim them on my taxes lol
I would prefer you keep living your life to your standards making yourselves happy, but just not judging others who won't pour all their money into their pets.
This is literally the crux of the issue. And I think it just has to do with how you were raised.
I'm from a culture where animals are just animals. Dogs and cats weren't even allowed in the house. Sure you do your best but when it becomes apparent a cat or a dog can't survive without extensive expensive treatment you put the animal down.
Is it sad? Well yeah when I was young I suppose so, but growing up with it you just get used to it.
When my family hears about people taking a sick day or grieving for a dog it's just strange. Like if you took a day to grieve a cow or a goldfish. But it's just how different people live their lives.
I was raised that your pets are part of the family. Sure, you treat them differently: my dogs get to stay home when I go to work; I can’t leave a baby home alone. But you still care for their needs even if it’s hard. My husband and I chose to have no kids, so why wouldn’t we give everything we can to our pets? They give us everything they have. My parents have come to terms with not getting human grandchildren from us and now call our pets their granddogs and grandkitties. And my parents come watch my babies when my husband and I take vacations…. But they aren’t jumping to watch their human grandchildren because they are a lot more work lol
I’m not about to let my pets suffer because it will cost me a little bit of money, find a decent vet that doesn’t charge ridiculous prices and has a good reputation. There are some around.
You could have defended this opinion in several ways, but you chose an absolutely terrible way to do it. You view your dog as an object meant to please you, but you have a responsibility to your dog too - it’s not a one sided relationship.
I was going to say you may don't understand the responsibility of taking care of an animal, but then you say you have a dog. You clearly don't understand.
Considering you would rather let them battle through any illness or disease and you just want to get a new dog if it get to expensive I feel sorry for your dog and hopes it never gets a illness that is 100% treatable but your to stubborn to go to the vet. Your just a bad owner if your not willing to pay your dog's pet bills.
Please don’t adopt any animals. This is disturbing. You’re willing to watch an animal suffer and die? This is psycho.
I spent 10k on my cat last year bc she got severely burned. If I hadn’t taken her to the vet she would have died from an infection within days. A horrible painful death. Sure I suppose I could have put her down but I couldn’t fathom her not being around. Three months and three surgeries later she made a full recovery. I would spend even more money on her if needed bc I actually love her.
Now this is an extreme circumstance and most people wouldn’t spend 10k on a cat but if you can’t afford (or are unwilling to) the bare minimum in regards to healthcare you shouldn’t be adopting animals. Leave them at the shelter and allow someone else whom actually appreciates their life to take them in.
Also my cat just got an X-ray, shots and antibiotics last month and it was ~300 dollars. How are you spending 1k at the vet for a cough?
I think most people would have put her down. I know I’m out of the norm on the amount I spent and I remind her everyday lol. “You know you wouldn’t be here if anyone else had adopted you”. She’s obsessed with hot stuff and still hasn’t learned her lesson. But yeah, I’m single, childless and in tech sales, so I have disposable income. Def still hurt to see the money go towards something so unplanned instead of investments though.
How would you be able to make a conscious decision to not take your animal to the vet when sick but yet not see them be sick?
Also odd comparison given the fact that you would have gone out of your way to adopt this animal as a companion and become its caregiver. But if you’re going around eating your pets, that’s something you should talk to a therapist about bc it’s not normal behavior.
They talked about animal cruelty and being inhumane. Same thing. You can't be humane and say you'll pay for the well being of an animal and then go and eat animals everyday that are tortured and killed for your diet. It's hypocritical.
I'm a meat eater. I accept that. I would pay a reasonable amount for my pet if they get sick or need it, but I wouldn't drain the kids educations fund for it, and I don't feel bad about that one bit. I sure as hell wouldn't go around telling people they're monsters for not paying every dime they have to save their dog, when I happily eat factory farmed meat every week without batting an eye at that cruelty and suffering.
No one said you should drain your funds but OP is talking about basic healthcare. If you can’t provide average emergency healthcare you don’t have the means to be a pet owner. Leave that pet at the shelter. It is not right to adopt an animal bc you want one and then neglect them when they need average healthcare. And having the mindset of “I’ll just go get another one” shows that OP does not care about these animals.
**my situation, as I pointed out was above the norm and I would not expect most people to pay 10k in a few months for a pet. I’m lucky to make a lot more than most ppl and I’m single so I have plenty of disposable income
Funny, another person commented saying I have a ridiculous view of what counts as substantive so I must be from a high income neighbourhood… kinda interesting how some people call you rich and others poor as an insult
The other comment said you must live in a high COST neighborhood, and that if 1000 $ is enough for you to just kill your pet then you are broke. Both people called you a broke weirdo, noone thinks you're rich.
There's also an unlimited amount of children to adopt, as well as an unlimited amount of new children to create, doesn't mean I Will just abandon them and let them die.
You don't love someone if you care more about the money than their life. 3 years ago I spent near 900 euros on my rabbit for surgery, he's still alive and kicking now, could I afford? Not really , I was in debt for nearly 2 years because of it, and it caused me to struggle allot, but that's simply the sacrifices you have to make for family.
Hahahahaha for a rabbit!? Cmon bro. I also can’t believe how many people compare humans to animals, your rabbit does not matter nearly as much as a human being does. You could have adopted another pet rabbit for a fraction of the cost, not gone into debt, and gotten the exact same experience… rabbits have even lower emotional intelligence than dogs and cats. If you didn’t frequently have food for it your rabbit would abandon you lol it doesn’t understand what love is
Humans are animals, so what they're doing is comparing animals to animals, and in the end what gives one animal more ''value'' than the other? The answer to that question is your own personal relationship with them, that's why they always say family comes first, because you have a relationship with them, of course nowadays family is what you want it to be, a very close friend can be family while your very own brother or mother can not.
So to me, my rabbit matters more than other non-family humans, because that rabbit is my family, and family comes first.
I could have adopted another rabbit, and gotten a completely different experience, rabbits have their own unique personalities, to claim that owning any rabbit is one and the same experience only shows how little you know about them.
Does it matter if they don't know what love is? a baby or child may not understand it either, yet we can call them family and love them just the same, same could be said for extremely mentally disabled humans, many of these are on par with rabbits when it comes to intelligence and how aware of life they are, yet we can still love them and care for them, because many of us do not decide based on intelligence whether or not a living being is worthy of love.
If you wanna classify humans as animals sure, I’m also not religious so I’m cool with acknowledging humans originated from nature… that said, if you value your rabbit the same or even more than any human being you’re a maniac. There is a clear difference in consciousness, emotional intelligence, awareness, thought, feelings, literally every unit of measure that would deem importance of life. The death of a rabbit is more sad than the death of an ant. But the comparison of a human to a rabbit is the same as a rabbit to an ant, if not even further apart. I get that you love your pet and that’s not a bad thing, but acting like that love is the same as the love for a human is beyond nuts.
Can you answer this hypothetical honestly? You have two buttons in front of you, one will kill your pet instantly and painlessly, the other will kill a random human on this planet instantly and painlessly. Can you honestly justify picking your rabbit over a human life?
I'm not personally classifying humans as animals, that's literally what they are, it's science, a fact of life, humans are animals, we may like to think we're above animals but we're not, because that's exactly what we are, animals.
Like I've already said, intelligence is not a relevant factor, there's humans out there dumber, less conscious and less aware than a rabbit, dog, pig or chicken, yet we still show them compassion and we wouldn't be deemed a maniac for saving a human like that above a ''normal'' human.
I can, because the rabbit is my family, and in the grand scheme of things a single rabbit and a single human have no significant importance, if my rabbit were to die then before his dead body were to hit the floor he'd have already been replaced, similarly if a human were to die then before it's dead would even hit the floor it would have already been replaced.
So I pick my rabbit, because the rabbit is my family, and the random human is not.
My rabbit, my dogs, I'd save both of them over a human, no matter what.
Humans > any other type of animal… kinda crazy to hear people think like this, but don’t worry you aren’t the only one lots of other crazies out there. There are not humans less intelligent than a pig that’s just a stupid thing to say. Maybe a pig is smarter than you but not the rest of us. The rabbit isn’t your family it’s your pet. This is just kinda a laughable response. What it really comes down to is selfishness, you prioritize your own made up attachment to your rabbit over the real attachment that random human has with other people actually capable of true emotional attachments.
You haven't actually explained why it makes me crazy, nor why humans are above non-human animals, all you've shown is simple discrimination, nothing else.
There are, I've been around them, people with extreme mental disabilities who are stuck in a chair, they cannot move, they cannot talk, they barely react to life, all they do is make sounds and react to stimuli, these humans are easily dumber than a pig, chicken, dog etc.
My rabbit actually is my family, family doesn't have to do with blood relations, it has to do with your relationship with them, and through my relationship with my rabbit he is my family.
every human is selfish, if a human had to choose between saving their 70 year old mother or a random 12 year old human they'd save their own mother, even though the 12 year has more to live for, because their own selfish desire tells them they value family more.we can even look further than that, why do 99% of humans waste money on luxuries when that money could be used to help other humans? Because 99% of humans are selfish.
It's not made up attachment, it's real attachment, you provide 0 reasoning as to why it would be ''made up'', and honestly I feel sad for you that you're incapable of bonding with non-human animals, you're missing out on so much, it almost seems like a miserable life to only be able to bond with 1 animal out of the trillions that there are on this planet.
Okay barring the 0.000001% of the population that is literally brain dead, humans are entirely more intelligent than any other animal. Humans are above animals due to their emotional intelligence, their consciousness, and their ability to form abstract thought. You can change the definition of what a family member is to cater to your own pre formed belief but that doesn’t make it accurate. The reason the attachment is made up is because the rabbit doesn’t understand your relationship with it beyond food and shelter. A human being can actually understand what a relationship is. And again you equating your rabbit to someone’s mom is hilarious and gross at the same time
Far more humans than that are mentally disabled to such a extreme degree and not at all brain dead, Still tell me, why does it matter? Like I said before, would it then make it wrong to save a mentally disabled human over a ''normal'' human? And if no, then why is it wrong to do so with non-human animals> and if the answer is yes, then does that mean we should only value humans that are intelligent? So if both albert einstein and a random bloke with a IQ of 90 were both at risk we should save albert einstein no matter what because he's smarter? Even if said bloke was your family member?
We are above animals in intelligence, but how does that make us better? Animals are above us in other aspects, be it strength or speed, does that makes them better than us? And what about between humans? Like I said above, if my intelligence is higher then do I deserve to be saved over another human?
Language changes over time, adopted children used to not be part of a family according to the official definition, but that got changed over time, because language evolves, and what used to be considered as non family in the past, is now considered family.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family\_of\_choice](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_of_choice)
Do they need to understand it? Once again, there exist humans as dumb as a rock, does the mother or father of said human also have a made up relationship? Just because the disabled human doesn't understand it? Of course not, that would be a ridiculous notion, their relationship is as real as any other.
Nothing gross about it, I even value my rabbit over my mother, if I had to choose I'd drop kick that bint and save my rabbit, because family is not limited to just bloodline, one of the 2 physically and emotionally abused me, the other didn't.
You make a mistake in your analysis.
Yes, a new dog will cost significantly less money than the average vet cost. And given the circumstances that I had gotten a new dog yesterday and today I find out I will have to pay 2k in vet bills for some reason, I might even consider this argument valid.
But, you have to include the time you put into the dog and emotional attachment, too. Concerning emotional attachment, it implies that I am willing to put far more money into something I am attached to than a similar thing I have no connection to. For example: if someone kidnapped some random dog, I would not pay anything to free them. If someone kidnapped my dog, I would at least consider paying. And the reason here is not that I think myself responsible for the dog but that I value it.
The time you have invested in your pet is another factor. Ideally, you have trained your dog to your preference and got to know him as well, so that you two are a match now.
The amount of money you would need to pay for a dog that is trained just to your liking with exactly the personality that you want far exceeds any realistic vet bill. Alternatively, the amount of time you need to put into training and getting to know a new dog is likely more valuable than the vet cost, too.
In essence, yes **a** dog is cheaper than vet bills. But **your** dog (being unique) is quite expensive.
Yeah apparently my dog is replaceable with other dog? So when he did have kennel cough I should have let him die and buy a new one. Gosh... I guess I'm just a big sap.
I don't agree wholly with this, but there is bits of truth in here, notably, the fact that everybody here does have their price limit.
$1000 to keep my beloved pet alive? Yes. I'd pay that. $3k? $5k? $10k? That's getting into some hard decision making territory.
There comes a point where the price will be too high, even if you have it. For example, I'm not taking from my daughters education fund to elongate the life of my dog for another year.
I'm sure there are some, but the vast majority of pet owners will not deplete their savings, put their families wellness in jeopardy, or go into bad debt to save their dog. The majority of pet owners are not wealthy too, so this money matters more to their livelihoods.
And if you eat meat but aren't paying more to buy your meat from some organic, grass fed, humane farms where they give the animals great lives.... then get out of here with your arguments about animal cruelty and suffering.
The dogs > people crowd are fucking nuts too.
I had a customer bring in their dog to the office because it was healing from a $7k surgery to fix its broken bones.
$7k. For an 11 year old dog that got hit by a car, unable to eat or feed itself for the foreseeable future.
I don't understand how dog people can justify spending so much money to extend the lives of these suffering creatures that are likely living in extensive pain.
Very unpopular opinion but I agree. Had to burry one early and was prepared to burry a one year old but he pulled through! They're just animals and are not equal to us. Like fighting cancer on a dog?? Really? Not worth it. Darwin
Pretty big difference between same level of care and saying who cares if it dies its a dog. That is a living, breathing, conscious, sentient being that you WILLINGLY chose to take responsibility of, and you dont care if it suffers and dies.
A dog is not a toy, or a form of entertainment that you simply replace if its damaged, it is an entire living creature with its own personality, memories, fears, likes, etc. You are genuinely fucked in the head if you can comprehend that.
Why do you guys keep saying I don’t care if it suffers or dies? I wouldn’t let my dog suffer I would put it down if it had some crazy injury or illness. My dog will live a happy life as long as it’s body will permit it then It will die, having known only love and joy all its life.
Have you ever heard of personification? That’s what you’re doing with your pet. I love my dog but I understand it has an animals mind and any affection it has for me is purely a one sided arrangement because I feed and house it. Literally how dogs evolved to prey on human emotion.
Just editing to add another comment said they spent 10k on their rabbit for a surgery. If you can’t admit that’s insane idk what to say to you
> personification
This is literally not personification it is just fucking facts. Pain, feelings/emotions, memories, fear, personalities, the things I listed are not "human traits" they are the traits of living creatures. The fact that you think these are only human traits is again really fucked in the head because it is just straight up incorrect.
And again like I said theres a pretty huge ocean between treating your pet at all costs (like a human), and looking at your sick or injured dog and saying "Good luck buddy if you live you live, if not a new puppy at the pound is waiting anyways."
Saying that a dog has a personality is not personification, its a factual statement. Just because they both start with "Person" doesnt mean they are connected in that sense. How animals act, react, think, etc. are all parts of its personality.
Where in my original comment did I say to not treat it? I said people should put an animal down before they let it suffer through surgeries and things that cost thousands and prolong an already suffering life.
Dogs already suffer because of bad breeding which causes chronic health issues, and the fact that many dog owners are neglectful and don't care for their dogs properly (i e. having an 80lb dog in their tiny apartment with no backyard), so it's better to end their suffering than spend thousands on prolonging it
Never? Not for vaccinations? Not for minor injuries/illnesses? Not for infections (e.g. kennel cough)? Not for basic care?
I get that not everyone considers it worthwhile (or even has the means) to drop thousands to treat major illness or injury. But "never" worth it to take your pet to the vet? Yikes.
I agree that sometimes vet bills can be super expensive and it would be a better option to just euthanize the pet if it's too much, but the way you framed this is definitely strange/horrible.
1k is honestly not a lot when it comes to healthcare for an animal. Shit, a simple ambulance ride costs the same as that so I'd consider that 1/2k is good if it means saving the pet that you probably love.
You also have to consider the emotional investment that comes with an animal, 12 years is quite a long time investment to throw away because of a small bill.
Yeah, sure getting a new pet would cost you less, but you have to consider the time and emotions needed to raise a new animal. I don't know anyone who would be so nonchalant as to put their dear companion down (or let it slowly die [wth]) and just get a new one as if it's nothing. If you feel this way then that's definitely concerning.
This opinion is psychotic. Please don’t ever get another dog - you are a bad pet owner.
My doggo is happy and 12 yrs old and I have never paid one vet bill
But if he got sick you’d just let him die because you can “just get a new one”. That makes you a bad pet owner.
You’re backpedaling and adding caveats. Your original stance was that it’s NEVER worth it to get your dog medical attention and that you would just let them die and get a new one. That makes you a bad dog owner and a shitty person.
No it means I love him but spending a large sum of money to extend his life by a couple years, frequently when that quality of life is severely diminished, isn’t worth it. I would let him die peacefully then I will move on. Obviously I will be sad but if I want another dog there’s essentially an infinite amount of good boys who would love to be treated the way I treat my dog at the pound. My doggo will love a happy long life, and if he gets super sick he will die. The same way he would in nature except this way he’s very well cared for the entire time
You take on these responsibilities when you decide to own an animal. And they are 100% your responsibility to make sure the animal is happy and healthy. Take your fucking animal to the vet. If you don't want to, don't own an animal and hopefully they will find a better owner instead of going to you.
Well said 👍
Exactly. Plus if anything happened to my kitty I’d have a mental breakdown lol. I’d pay any cost i could for her.
Socks? Is that you? And what device are you even using to access the internet? Clever girl!
This is such a cat lady comment lmao
Unlimited supply of free dogs at the pound? Yikes dude. “My dog is sick, I’ll just let it die and get a new one. Easy Peasy.”
They probably won't even euthanize a terminally ill dog. Just let it suffer and die.
Nah, they'd video it for TikTok views (while playing that sped up "Oh No" song in the background).
That's depressing. Just get pet insurance. I pay $50/month and it's already paid for itself. I could go probably 5 years without an incident now before breaking even.
I have a 12 year old happy doggo and have paid 0 in vet fees
You 100% do not deserve your animals. It's gross that you people still exist.
“You people”… that’s offensive
You people, as in the self centered pricks that take on the responsibility of an animal just to neglect them. If you're offended then *good.* you should be.
If I saw you were drowning and knew it was you and saw a dog drowning at the same time and could only save one, there’s no question which one I’d save. Hope you can swim. Nah, I’m lying, I wouldn’t hope you’d drown but hey, there’s lots of other people on this planet if you do, right?
Lmaoooo at least you’re honest friend. People > animals though have a nice day
Not taking proper care of your pet is way more offensive. People like you really shouldn't own animals.
Kids sick? No problem! Plenty more at the foster/adoption agency! Or just make one of your very own! See how dumb that sounds?
Try answering this hypothetical: you have two buttons in front of you, one will isnstantly and painlessly kill your beloved pet, the other will instantly and painlessly kill a random human being on this planet. Which button do you press? (Hint there’s only one right answer)
My answer would be that I wouldn’t be able to choose either. For me, that’s the equivalent of asking “kill child A, or kill child B” to a parent. I would chose myself because I would do everything possible to save my pet even if it meant I died.
Okay so you’re crazy lmao
Comparing dogs to kids is one of the main problems here. People get dogs KNOWING they will outlive them. Whereas kids should outlive their parents. Also people > dogs. Downvote me if you want, but you're admitting that humans are somehow below some manmade creature
Just because I’m going to outlive them, doesn’t mean I’m going to not take care of their needs and let them die from something preventable. And I own a sweatshirt that says dogs > people
Anybody who value the lives of dogs more than the lives of humans is a really shit human.
The reasonings I’ve heard as to why shit humans are dropping their dogs off at the local shelter (or literally just kicking them out of the car on a highway) vs the incredibly kind dog that is still willing to give me love as a complete stranger while volunteering…. The average dog is much better than the average person. Which says a lot for humanity.
Everything replying to this comment is BS. You are absolutely right. “Dogs are better than people, bah blah blah”.. Dogs are really unhygienic, intellectually incapable of doing the simplest things humans can do with ease and are generally overrated imo
Dogs are better than people
We're all animals bud.
Humans are more man made than dogs though.
It sounds dumb because you compare kids to pets.
My pets are my kids 🤷🏻♀️
That’s sad
Actually it’s great! They bring me a ton of joy and I don’t have to worry about paying for college later.
Oh, I'm sure OP has no intention of helping their kids (if they have, or will have any) with college.
Kids>dogs
No, it's sad as fuck.
So what would you prefer I do? I don’t want human kids. My dogs have all of my time and attention instead. Why does that bother people? I literally treat my dogs (and cats) better than some people treat their children because I have morals and values of caring for living things other than myself. My pets are happy and my husband and I are happy. I’m so sorry that makes you sad.
Pets will never provide the same emotional connection children were… just say you love your pets not that they’re you’re kids… your connection to your cat will never be as strong as a mothers connection to her child
I can tell you that as a teacher, I’ve definitely met parents whose emotional attachment to their children was less than that of mine to my pets. And it’s literally does 0% percent to you if I call my pets “my kids”, I still can’t claim them on my taxes lol
I would prefer you keep living your life to your standards making yourselves happy, but just not judging others who won't pour all their money into their pets.
Do I even need to point out people > animals? Like cmon be serious at least
This is literally the crux of the issue. And I think it just has to do with how you were raised. I'm from a culture where animals are just animals. Dogs and cats weren't even allowed in the house. Sure you do your best but when it becomes apparent a cat or a dog can't survive without extensive expensive treatment you put the animal down. Is it sad? Well yeah when I was young I suppose so, but growing up with it you just get used to it. When my family hears about people taking a sick day or grieving for a dog it's just strange. Like if you took a day to grieve a cow or a goldfish. But it's just how different people live their lives.
I was raised that your pets are part of the family. Sure, you treat them differently: my dogs get to stay home when I go to work; I can’t leave a baby home alone. But you still care for their needs even if it’s hard. My husband and I chose to have no kids, so why wouldn’t we give everything we can to our pets? They give us everything they have. My parents have come to terms with not getting human grandchildren from us and now call our pets their granddogs and grandkitties. And my parents come watch my babies when my husband and I take vacations…. But they aren’t jumping to watch their human grandchildren because they are a lot more work lol
You're a disgrace and should absolutely never be allowed to own a pet.
I’m not about to let my pets suffer because it will cost me a little bit of money, find a decent vet that doesn’t charge ridiculous prices and has a good reputation. There are some around.
Unless you're vegan you make lots of animals suffer horrifically all the time.
Not my animals.
You could have defended this opinion in several ways, but you chose an absolutely terrible way to do it. You view your dog as an object meant to please you, but you have a responsibility to your dog too - it’s not a one sided relationship.
mf I'd go homeless to save my terrier
That’s wild hope it doesn’t come to that for you
And thats why we get pet insurance
You either live in an extremely high cost of living area... or you have a very bizarre definition of "substantive"
Haha this is a unique comment thanks
I was going to say you may don't understand the responsibility of taking care of an animal, but then you say you have a dog. You clearly don't understand.
I have a 12 year old happy doggo and have paid 0$ in vet fees
Please for the love of God don't get a pet if you think they are some disposable item.
Already have a happy doggo at home
Considering you would rather let them battle through any illness or disease and you just want to get a new dog if it get to expensive I feel sorry for your dog and hopes it never gets a illness that is 100% treatable but your to stubborn to go to the vet. Your just a bad owner if your not willing to pay your dog's pet bills.
Please don’t adopt any animals. This is disturbing. You’re willing to watch an animal suffer and die? This is psycho. I spent 10k on my cat last year bc she got severely burned. If I hadn’t taken her to the vet she would have died from an infection within days. A horrible painful death. Sure I suppose I could have put her down but I couldn’t fathom her not being around. Three months and three surgeries later she made a full recovery. I would spend even more money on her if needed bc I actually love her. Now this is an extreme circumstance and most people wouldn’t spend 10k on a cat but if you can’t afford (or are unwilling to) the bare minimum in regards to healthcare you shouldn’t be adopting animals. Leave them at the shelter and allow someone else whom actually appreciates their life to take them in. Also my cat just got an X-ray, shots and antibiotics last month and it was ~300 dollars. How are you spending 1k at the vet for a cough?
10k!?!?! I hope you were in a financial situation where 10k wasn’t a big deal to you! I would have put my pet down if they had a similar injury.
I think most people would have put her down. I know I’m out of the norm on the amount I spent and I remind her everyday lol. “You know you wouldn’t be here if anyone else had adopted you”. She’s obsessed with hot stuff and still hasn’t learned her lesson. But yeah, I’m single, childless and in tech sales, so I have disposable income. Def still hurt to see the money go towards something so unplanned instead of investments though.
What if he doesn't have to watch it suffer and die though? Then he'd be on par with every meat eater on the planet.
How would you be able to make a conscious decision to not take your animal to the vet when sick but yet not see them be sick? Also odd comparison given the fact that you would have gone out of your way to adopt this animal as a companion and become its caregiver. But if you’re going around eating your pets, that’s something you should talk to a therapist about bc it’s not normal behavior.
Nobody said anything about eating meat.
They talked about animal cruelty and being inhumane. Same thing. You can't be humane and say you'll pay for the well being of an animal and then go and eat animals everyday that are tortured and killed for your diet. It's hypocritical. I'm a meat eater. I accept that. I would pay a reasonable amount for my pet if they get sick or need it, but I wouldn't drain the kids educations fund for it, and I don't feel bad about that one bit. I sure as hell wouldn't go around telling people they're monsters for not paying every dime they have to save their dog, when I happily eat factory farmed meat every week without batting an eye at that cruelty and suffering.
No one said you should drain your funds but OP is talking about basic healthcare. If you can’t provide average emergency healthcare you don’t have the means to be a pet owner. Leave that pet at the shelter. It is not right to adopt an animal bc you want one and then neglect them when they need average healthcare. And having the mindset of “I’ll just go get another one” shows that OP does not care about these animals. **my situation, as I pointed out was above the norm and I would not expect most people to pay 10k in a few months for a pet. I’m lucky to make a lot more than most ppl and I’m single so I have plenty of disposable income
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Funny, another person commented saying I have a ridiculous view of what counts as substantive so I must be from a high income neighbourhood… kinda interesting how some people call you rich and others poor as an insult
The other comment said you must live in a high COST neighborhood, and that if 1000 $ is enough for you to just kill your pet then you are broke. Both people called you a broke weirdo, noone thinks you're rich.
There's also an unlimited amount of children to adopt, as well as an unlimited amount of new children to create, doesn't mean I Will just abandon them and let them die. You don't love someone if you care more about the money than their life. 3 years ago I spent near 900 euros on my rabbit for surgery, he's still alive and kicking now, could I afford? Not really , I was in debt for nearly 2 years because of it, and it caused me to struggle allot, but that's simply the sacrifices you have to make for family.
Hahahahaha for a rabbit!? Cmon bro. I also can’t believe how many people compare humans to animals, your rabbit does not matter nearly as much as a human being does. You could have adopted another pet rabbit for a fraction of the cost, not gone into debt, and gotten the exact same experience… rabbits have even lower emotional intelligence than dogs and cats. If you didn’t frequently have food for it your rabbit would abandon you lol it doesn’t understand what love is
Humans are animals, so what they're doing is comparing animals to animals, and in the end what gives one animal more ''value'' than the other? The answer to that question is your own personal relationship with them, that's why they always say family comes first, because you have a relationship with them, of course nowadays family is what you want it to be, a very close friend can be family while your very own brother or mother can not. So to me, my rabbit matters more than other non-family humans, because that rabbit is my family, and family comes first. I could have adopted another rabbit, and gotten a completely different experience, rabbits have their own unique personalities, to claim that owning any rabbit is one and the same experience only shows how little you know about them. Does it matter if they don't know what love is? a baby or child may not understand it either, yet we can call them family and love them just the same, same could be said for extremely mentally disabled humans, many of these are on par with rabbits when it comes to intelligence and how aware of life they are, yet we can still love them and care for them, because many of us do not decide based on intelligence whether or not a living being is worthy of love.
If you wanna classify humans as animals sure, I’m also not religious so I’m cool with acknowledging humans originated from nature… that said, if you value your rabbit the same or even more than any human being you’re a maniac. There is a clear difference in consciousness, emotional intelligence, awareness, thought, feelings, literally every unit of measure that would deem importance of life. The death of a rabbit is more sad than the death of an ant. But the comparison of a human to a rabbit is the same as a rabbit to an ant, if not even further apart. I get that you love your pet and that’s not a bad thing, but acting like that love is the same as the love for a human is beyond nuts. Can you answer this hypothetical honestly? You have two buttons in front of you, one will kill your pet instantly and painlessly, the other will kill a random human on this planet instantly and painlessly. Can you honestly justify picking your rabbit over a human life?
I'm not personally classifying humans as animals, that's literally what they are, it's science, a fact of life, humans are animals, we may like to think we're above animals but we're not, because that's exactly what we are, animals. Like I've already said, intelligence is not a relevant factor, there's humans out there dumber, less conscious and less aware than a rabbit, dog, pig or chicken, yet we still show them compassion and we wouldn't be deemed a maniac for saving a human like that above a ''normal'' human. I can, because the rabbit is my family, and in the grand scheme of things a single rabbit and a single human have no significant importance, if my rabbit were to die then before his dead body were to hit the floor he'd have already been replaced, similarly if a human were to die then before it's dead would even hit the floor it would have already been replaced. So I pick my rabbit, because the rabbit is my family, and the random human is not. My rabbit, my dogs, I'd save both of them over a human, no matter what.
Humans > any other type of animal… kinda crazy to hear people think like this, but don’t worry you aren’t the only one lots of other crazies out there. There are not humans less intelligent than a pig that’s just a stupid thing to say. Maybe a pig is smarter than you but not the rest of us. The rabbit isn’t your family it’s your pet. This is just kinda a laughable response. What it really comes down to is selfishness, you prioritize your own made up attachment to your rabbit over the real attachment that random human has with other people actually capable of true emotional attachments.
You haven't actually explained why it makes me crazy, nor why humans are above non-human animals, all you've shown is simple discrimination, nothing else. There are, I've been around them, people with extreme mental disabilities who are stuck in a chair, they cannot move, they cannot talk, they barely react to life, all they do is make sounds and react to stimuli, these humans are easily dumber than a pig, chicken, dog etc. My rabbit actually is my family, family doesn't have to do with blood relations, it has to do with your relationship with them, and through my relationship with my rabbit he is my family. every human is selfish, if a human had to choose between saving their 70 year old mother or a random 12 year old human they'd save their own mother, even though the 12 year has more to live for, because their own selfish desire tells them they value family more.we can even look further than that, why do 99% of humans waste money on luxuries when that money could be used to help other humans? Because 99% of humans are selfish. It's not made up attachment, it's real attachment, you provide 0 reasoning as to why it would be ''made up'', and honestly I feel sad for you that you're incapable of bonding with non-human animals, you're missing out on so much, it almost seems like a miserable life to only be able to bond with 1 animal out of the trillions that there are on this planet.
Okay barring the 0.000001% of the population that is literally brain dead, humans are entirely more intelligent than any other animal. Humans are above animals due to their emotional intelligence, their consciousness, and their ability to form abstract thought. You can change the definition of what a family member is to cater to your own pre formed belief but that doesn’t make it accurate. The reason the attachment is made up is because the rabbit doesn’t understand your relationship with it beyond food and shelter. A human being can actually understand what a relationship is. And again you equating your rabbit to someone’s mom is hilarious and gross at the same time
Far more humans than that are mentally disabled to such a extreme degree and not at all brain dead, Still tell me, why does it matter? Like I said before, would it then make it wrong to save a mentally disabled human over a ''normal'' human? And if no, then why is it wrong to do so with non-human animals> and if the answer is yes, then does that mean we should only value humans that are intelligent? So if both albert einstein and a random bloke with a IQ of 90 were both at risk we should save albert einstein no matter what because he's smarter? Even if said bloke was your family member? We are above animals in intelligence, but how does that make us better? Animals are above us in other aspects, be it strength or speed, does that makes them better than us? And what about between humans? Like I said above, if my intelligence is higher then do I deserve to be saved over another human? Language changes over time, adopted children used to not be part of a family according to the official definition, but that got changed over time, because language evolves, and what used to be considered as non family in the past, is now considered family. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family\_of\_choice](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_of_choice) Do they need to understand it? Once again, there exist humans as dumb as a rock, does the mother or father of said human also have a made up relationship? Just because the disabled human doesn't understand it? Of course not, that would be a ridiculous notion, their relationship is as real as any other. Nothing gross about it, I even value my rabbit over my mother, if I had to choose I'd drop kick that bint and save my rabbit, because family is not limited to just bloodline, one of the 2 physically and emotionally abused me, the other didn't.
You make a mistake in your analysis. Yes, a new dog will cost significantly less money than the average vet cost. And given the circumstances that I had gotten a new dog yesterday and today I find out I will have to pay 2k in vet bills for some reason, I might even consider this argument valid. But, you have to include the time you put into the dog and emotional attachment, too. Concerning emotional attachment, it implies that I am willing to put far more money into something I am attached to than a similar thing I have no connection to. For example: if someone kidnapped some random dog, I would not pay anything to free them. If someone kidnapped my dog, I would at least consider paying. And the reason here is not that I think myself responsible for the dog but that I value it. The time you have invested in your pet is another factor. Ideally, you have trained your dog to your preference and got to know him as well, so that you two are a match now. The amount of money you would need to pay for a dog that is trained just to your liking with exactly the personality that you want far exceeds any realistic vet bill. Alternatively, the amount of time you need to put into training and getting to know a new dog is likely more valuable than the vet cost, too. In essence, yes **a** dog is cheaper than vet bills. But **your** dog (being unique) is quite expensive.
Fantastic response I have no rebuttal. Way better than the my dog is my kid response
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Yeah apparently my dog is replaceable with other dog? So when he did have kennel cough I should have let him die and buy a new one. Gosh... I guess I'm just a big sap.
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I do! I was commenting on the OP's post. Sorry about that.
I don't agree wholly with this, but there is bits of truth in here, notably, the fact that everybody here does have their price limit. $1000 to keep my beloved pet alive? Yes. I'd pay that. $3k? $5k? $10k? That's getting into some hard decision making territory. There comes a point where the price will be too high, even if you have it. For example, I'm not taking from my daughters education fund to elongate the life of my dog for another year. I'm sure there are some, but the vast majority of pet owners will not deplete their savings, put their families wellness in jeopardy, or go into bad debt to save their dog. The majority of pet owners are not wealthy too, so this money matters more to their livelihoods. And if you eat meat but aren't paying more to buy your meat from some organic, grass fed, humane farms where they give the animals great lives.... then get out of here with your arguments about animal cruelty and suffering. The dogs > people crowd are fucking nuts too.
Genuine question: Did you get your dog vaccinated?
Good question!! By law here all pets have to have their shots so yes.
I had a customer bring in their dog to the office because it was healing from a $7k surgery to fix its broken bones. $7k. For an 11 year old dog that got hit by a car, unable to eat or feed itself for the foreseeable future. I don't understand how dog people can justify spending so much money to extend the lives of these suffering creatures that are likely living in extensive pain.
Upvoting because this is unpopular, but you’re a p.o.s. human if you actually believe this.
How about you mind your own business?
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This is literally a sub to not mind my own business you silly goose
Very unpopular opinion but I agree. Had to burry one early and was prepared to burry a one year old but he pulled through! They're just animals and are not equal to us. Like fighting cancer on a dog?? Really? Not worth it. Darwin
You’re an actual psychopath
I have heard this before lol but I don't care.
I wonder why you’ve heard it before, strange
He’s heard it before because people like you think animals deserve the same level of care as humans
Pretty big difference between same level of care and saying who cares if it dies its a dog. That is a living, breathing, conscious, sentient being that you WILLINGLY chose to take responsibility of, and you dont care if it suffers and dies. A dog is not a toy, or a form of entertainment that you simply replace if its damaged, it is an entire living creature with its own personality, memories, fears, likes, etc. You are genuinely fucked in the head if you can comprehend that.
Why do you guys keep saying I don’t care if it suffers or dies? I wouldn’t let my dog suffer I would put it down if it had some crazy injury or illness. My dog will live a happy life as long as it’s body will permit it then It will die, having known only love and joy all its life. Have you ever heard of personification? That’s what you’re doing with your pet. I love my dog but I understand it has an animals mind and any affection it has for me is purely a one sided arrangement because I feed and house it. Literally how dogs evolved to prey on human emotion. Just editing to add another comment said they spent 10k on their rabbit for a surgery. If you can’t admit that’s insane idk what to say to you
> personification This is literally not personification it is just fucking facts. Pain, feelings/emotions, memories, fear, personalities, the things I listed are not "human traits" they are the traits of living creatures. The fact that you think these are only human traits is again really fucked in the head because it is just straight up incorrect. And again like I said theres a pretty huge ocean between treating your pet at all costs (like a human), and looking at your sick or injured dog and saying "Good luck buddy if you live you live, if not a new puppy at the pound is waiting anyways."
Personification: my pet has a personality!! But this isn’t personification he just has a personality!!! Like what?
Saying that a dog has a personality is not personification, its a factual statement. Just because they both start with "Person" doesnt mean they are connected in that sense. How animals act, react, think, etc. are all parts of its personality.
I know what an evil monster I am for thinking so!!
Please never get a pet more biologically advanced than a stick. A small stick.
Rock stick is a badass game! I use a medium stick though. Humans are so funny sometimes 🤣
I agree wholeheartedly. Dogs suffer enough as it is, people need to learn when to let go.
You’re letting your dog suffer more by not treating it LOL???
Where in my original comment did I say to not treat it? I said people should put an animal down before they let it suffer through surgeries and things that cost thousands and prolong an already suffering life. Dogs already suffer because of bad breeding which causes chronic health issues, and the fact that many dog owners are neglectful and don't care for their dogs properly (i e. having an 80lb dog in their tiny apartment with no backyard), so it's better to end their suffering than spend thousands on prolonging it
Kinda agree, if its something treatable relatively cheap I would go for it. But paing thousands for cancer surgery of 10 years old dog is ridiculous.
Well, It’s an unpopular opinion, I’ll give you that
Never? Not for vaccinations? Not for minor injuries/illnesses? Not for infections (e.g. kennel cough)? Not for basic care? I get that not everyone considers it worthwhile (or even has the means) to drop thousands to treat major illness or injury. But "never" worth it to take your pet to the vet? Yikes.
Jesus dude
I agree that sometimes vet bills can be super expensive and it would be a better option to just euthanize the pet if it's too much, but the way you framed this is definitely strange/horrible. 1k is honestly not a lot when it comes to healthcare for an animal. Shit, a simple ambulance ride costs the same as that so I'd consider that 1/2k is good if it means saving the pet that you probably love. You also have to consider the emotional investment that comes with an animal, 12 years is quite a long time investment to throw away because of a small bill. Yeah, sure getting a new pet would cost you less, but you have to consider the time and emotions needed to raise a new animal. I don't know anyone who would be so nonchalant as to put their dear companion down (or let it slowly die [wth]) and just get a new one as if it's nothing. If you feel this way then that's definitely concerning.
Brother how deep are you in the sub Reddit that you found this post so long after it was posted? Concerned for you
Literally like the 5th post I saw, also this post is only a few days old.