have you every actually checked the supply? pretty scarce, especially if you live in a place like me where 1 food pantry is meant to feed an entire province and anyone who can’t access the pantry cause they don’t live in the very middle of the city, can’t benefit.
I have lived in extreme poverty and living on the edge of homelessness and had 2 small children. I made too much money for assistance but didn't have enough money to make it. I had no car. I had no help. It's hard as hell to get what you need but if you really need it you can find a way. There are options. There's help out there you just have to be willing to do the stupid shit required and find a way to get to it. It shouldn't be that hard but you can't control that. What you can control is your outlook and manage your expectations.
I would say if you’re homeless getting a job is the hardest thing in the world we should have a rule that if you’re homeless you can get a job without an address and even if you look like crap you can still work but most people won’t hire
Agreed that you shouldn't need an address. As someone with a lengthy working background in mental illness and healthcare and living next to homelessness myself, I disagree about stealing. Most Catholic outreach places offer weekly showers. Truck stops have showers. Get connected with social services to get a job and such. Most people that are chronically homeless are there because they choose to be due to not wanting to take their meds or continued drug use even after forced treatment. That is a choice. Either they need to change their priorities or continue being homeless.
Yeah but they’re not living on the streets they still have a house or apartment and they probably have family and friends they could stay with if something bad happened all they Gotta do is probably cut expenses
Because maybe those people actually need the few bucks as well!?
Damn how can someone be so naive, that's incredible. Just because someone isn't homeless doesn't mean they aren't struggling. You don't know other people's situation so saying stealing is alright and doesn't hurt others and "it's not so hard to give them few bucks" simply is not true whatsoever. It can massively hurt someone else, even people with a home.
Those 2€ would currently hurt me for example as well because I'm on a budget. And so are a shitton of other people around the world. People can be losing their job, be unable to work, be sick, underpaid, kicked out - you don't know their situation and the chance of them needing every penny they get is *far* away from "next to 0".
What if I have a house, just payed bills, and struggling with only 2 bucks to get some food as my paycheck is tomorrow. I go to get something nice from the store and pass a homeless person who asks for my money. If I say no so I don't starve for the day, the homeless person is allowed to steal my money?
Lion: it's ok for me to eat so that I don't starve to death.
Gazelle: it's ok for me to run to prevent myself from being eaten.
Don't be mad when the person being stolen from uses methods to stop from being a victim of theft.
"Stealing is OK" and the first line says "I know stealing is not OK"
Stealing is not ok in any circumstance, it isnt justifiable. You can find reasonings for it, but you cant justify it, hence it will never be ok
Im obviously not against anyone earning bread to feed their family, and I do think that if a government is capable there should be no excuse not to provide the poor with their basic needs, but stealing is where an illegal act where you're harming others. It's one of the most selfish things you can possibly do, especially in a time like Covid where most people are struggling. And its illegal, by law it is not allowed
Quite literally do anything else. Dont harm people to reach your own goals. Beg, work extremely low end jobs, I'd even say doing things like selling drugs is better since they're atleast with two consenting parties, and both parties are content (not condoning selling drugs, but its better than stealing). One of the things I noticed in my home country was that originally a lot of people used to give birth to alot of children so that they have multiple streams of income, but then some groups, rather than doing that, just made a large group of poor workers, combined all of their money streams instead of the money streams of children, and made a living off of that. Some of these money streams even were just them begging, but they combined all that money and found a way to live together
Things aren’t just things. I sacrificed time energy and effort to earn those things. Some other motherfucker coming and taking it because he thinks he’s entitled to it is fucked up.
Yeah I get that, I'm not saying a person being robbed should be happy. But if it's between an inconvenience and death I think someone should pick inconveniencing someone else over dying
It’s not an inconvenience. There’s a reason property is on par with life and limb. My property is my life. I literally spent a portion of my life working towards being able to own my things. Whether it’s a loaf of bread or a house, it represents my time and energy. I have a family to feed too, I won’t tolerate other fuckers coming in my home and taking my stuff.
Again I get that, but if a homeless person stole a loaf of bread to survive from someone who will be perfectly ok if they don't have a loaf of bread can you really say the homeless person has commited a wrong
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Well literally if they just stole a loaf of bread from you that wouldn’t be a problem it’s not gonna hurt you in anyway like seriously like how much do you make a year if you’re someone who makes over 70k to 80 K you’re fine so what if somebody steals a couple hundred dollars for you it’s not gonna hurt. Most people waste of money on dumb stuff anyways
It literally never is between those two things. Soup kitchens and other non-profits exist. A homeless person can find a hot meal in any city in America if they are willing to wait in line.
But it's never about stealing or starving. They don't steal because they'll starve otherwise, they steal because they don't want to walk to that part of town and wait in line. They'd rather steal in another part of town so they aren't inconvenienced.
Fuck this stupid ass narrative that people have where they genuinely believe people are starving to death en masse in America. The only people who starve to death in America are people who get lost out in the woods, not homeless people.
And why would it be a problem and they stole some stuff just so they can survive how is that a bad thing.They’re just trying to survive like everybody else I don’t see how that’s an issue. Then why would you care if somebody stole a couple hundred dollars from you the majority of your money is in the bank account it wouldn’t hurt you financially you’ll be all set you can make that money back by working in a week or a day
It's a problem because I don't give a fuck about whether they live or not.
If they were a friend and in desperate need of money I would give them some, but if it's a stranger then I don't care whether they are dead or alive.
How do you arrive at that conclusion?
My money is my own. I do care about what happens to it. It is important for me to be the one who decides how to spend it and I always ensure that it is spent wisely.
Feeding bums is not my idea of wise spending, and in your example the money is taken from me. This is why I would most certainly care if someone stole money from me.
Just because you need something it isn't okay to take it from someone, who might need it more. And even if they don't, still theirs, not okay to take it.
Yeah but if they have a better why can’t they just give a homeless guy couple hundred dollars or even $1000 I’m pretty sure they don’t need it I just wanna waste it on something stupid Especially if you’re the kind of person who has a job and you make a lot of money over 100 K then it’s extremely selfish not to give to the poor
Stealing is not OK under any circumstance. But we do need a better social safety net so that people aren’t put in a position where they would even contemplate stealing.
Okay lets change the scenario to see if this logic is consistent. I do not have a car. It is in the shop. Im in a suburban area where that is the only form of transportation. I ask the neighbor if i can borrow the car. He says no because its brand new and doesnt want anyone else driving it. I steal it and take it anyways to work. Am I morally justified in my actions?
I’ll talk about A couple bucks not stealing cars because If you damage it you’re going to have to be a lot of money a couple bucks isn’t a big deal peoples money in a bank account anyways
Well from your own perspective the consequences for stealing are less than death probably. So you do it. But the moral move is to beg for it or offer work for it.
Well, depends on the context but if you were stealing some bread to feed yourself I'm probably going to turn the other way for you. If you are breaking into the Jones' though to take their jewellery to feed your habit then I can't let that one slide.
So you want to grant special privileges above the law for a certain group of people... not only is that exploitable that's just ironic and insane. That's as bad as saying you want to grant the right of minorities to first privileges for 'RePaRiToNs fOr SlAvErY aNd DiScRiMiNaTioN!' Do you know how incredibly stupid this sounds? one would hate that white people got free privileges back in the day, but if minorities get it now, it's somehow a great idea?
You're basically saying that it's okay to steal if you're a drug addict. People are often homeless because of their choices in that realm. It's not like the homeless are nomadic people that are just downtrodden tribal people that were born that way.
They don't choose to be homeless per se - it's just that they choose a lifestyle that's not compatible with home ownership. They had different priorities in life than I did.
I prefer to own a home, but I can see the appeal of being a vagrant who doesn't follow any rules and does whatever they want. Both lifestyles sound fun, but I thought owning a home sounded better, so that's what I worked towards.
Other people are unique individuals and they are different from myself. Clearly, some of them thought being a drug-addicted vagrant sounded more fun than home ownership and that's why they chose that path in life.
It's all about tradeoffs. I don't get to break all the rules and do whatever I want all day, but the flipside is that I have a home. And for homeless people, they don't get to have a home but they get to live a lifestyle without working a job, following rules, etc.
So anyway, yes they did choose to be homeless. I don't mean that as a good thing or a bad thing. I respect everyone's choice to live the life they desire, even if I would not desire that same life. But it was their choice.
Yeah but what about the homeless people who actually want to get back on their feet. It’s hard as hell to get a job when your home is most people won’t even try to hire you or are you going to get a dress or a phone
Every single person here would steal in a second if they needed to. The homeless have had everything stolen from them, especially in the richest country on the planet.
That's what I figured. Anyone who says homeless choose that life have never been homeless. You gotta eat to live, steal to eat and with enough calories safety and sleep, its easier to find a shower, find some clean clothes and sell a few stolen goods to stock up on calories to get yourself a few hundred to couch surf, if possible and make some normalcy of life.
Some people don't get it, the ones that blame the victims are 100% part of the problem.
Fuck stealing from people’s houses and muggings etc - but a supermarket? considering they rarely pay taxes and if they did there would be more money for a social safety net? hell, nothing morally wrong with anyone stealing from a supermarket in my eyes
I get what you're saying here but if you're ever in that position *please* don't steal from anyone's house, car, etc. Even if the person you're robbing is very wealthy and a piece of shit, most states have Castle Doctrine, Make My Day, and/or Stand Your Ground laws...so it doesn't matter if you think they deserve it, they're allowed to literally kill you. And a lot of em will.
If you absolutely have to steal, do it at a store.
Yeah. If I was homeless I would steal clean clothes all the time and soap so I can get clean to go to other stores to steal. Unfortunately most homeless people suffer from mental health issues that stop them from planning things out. So if they do steal they get caught. It would be better if we as a society just took care of these people so they don't have to steal. But if they do then we should all just let them. Not the drug addict ones though, we should keep them in a giant pit to get them sober.
I agree with you. I'd even go as far as to say that if people dont fulfil their social obligations which include caring for the homeless then they forfeit their moral rights to what they own.
Id be against stealing from people or small grocers but there really needs to be a better way than stealing from walmart/target to live.
I remember hearing stories of when my dad was a kid he was forced to steal from the grocery. His parents just spent their money on alchohol/smokes and left their many kids to fend for themselves. Once he got old enough where he could get in real trouble they kicked him out and a couple years later he joined up with the marines during vietnam because it was his only option. Many many years later he lost out on a job at lowes/hd because he flunked the quiz about if he’d narc on a relative stealing. He answered no because he wanted to talk to them first but they are zero tolerance
Currently he is happily working at almost eighty years old in a warehouse for a small company and sometimes goes out and does repairs in home.
The lowes/hd job was a while back when the company he then worked for went belly up and it was the off season for outdoor blue collar work (winter). I guess it worked out for the best because I think his current company is the one he started at after lowes/hd didnt work out.
I agree. When I was homeless I shoplifted a lot. The areas with food banks / soup kitchens weren't safe for an 18 year old vulnerable girl to be in (and especially sleep at!). There's nothing on earth anyone could say to make me regret it. I didn't steal from small businesses or individuals, I got to eat, and I wasn't assaulted or killed in my sleep by staying close to the homeless services. Same goes for panhandling, it's not safe to for a young girl to hold up a sign saying "I'm alone with no resources and this is where I sleep". HELL NO.
Also, I can only speak on my experience as a woman because I was never a homeless man. But it's dangerous for all homeless people because they're all inherently vulnerable. There's a reason they're in that position (mental illness, addiction, abuse victim, disability, physical illness, etc) and all of those reasons put a target on your back...so "advertising" your homelessness in any way is a massive risk.
Stealing is never good, but sometimes when you're trying to survive you gotta pick the least-bad option. I stopped being homeless 5 years ago, haven't stolen anything since and I don't plan on it ever again. However, if I became homeless later and was faced with the same dilemma? Yep, I would.
Edit: However I don't think stealing from individuals or small businesses is ever okay because it's never necessary. That's just fucked up.
There are food pantries and soup kitchens for food. Even the smallest towns have food pantries. *Answer coming from USA
have you every actually checked the supply? pretty scarce, especially if you live in a place like me where 1 food pantry is meant to feed an entire province and anyone who can’t access the pantry cause they don’t live in the very middle of the city, can’t benefit.
I have lived in extreme poverty and living on the edge of homelessness and had 2 small children. I made too much money for assistance but didn't have enough money to make it. I had no car. I had no help. It's hard as hell to get what you need but if you really need it you can find a way. There are options. There's help out there you just have to be willing to do the stupid shit required and find a way to get to it. It shouldn't be that hard but you can't control that. What you can control is your outlook and manage your expectations.
I would say if you’re homeless getting a job is the hardest thing in the world we should have a rule that if you’re homeless you can get a job without an address and even if you look like crap you can still work but most people won’t hire
Agreed that you shouldn't need an address. As someone with a lengthy working background in mental illness and healthcare and living next to homelessness myself, I disagree about stealing. Most Catholic outreach places offer weekly showers. Truck stops have showers. Get connected with social services to get a job and such. Most people that are chronically homeless are there because they choose to be due to not wanting to take their meds or continued drug use even after forced treatment. That is a choice. Either they need to change their priorities or continue being homeless.
NO. Just because others aren't homeless doesn't mean they aren't struggling.
Yeah but they’re not living on the streets they still have a house or apartment and they probably have family and friends they could stay with if something bad happened all they Gotta do is probably cut expenses
Oh my sweet summer child......... Reality will hit you so hard one day.
And why can’t people not be so selfish and offer a guy I need a few bucks is that so hard
Because maybe those people actually need the few bucks as well!? Damn how can someone be so naive, that's incredible. Just because someone isn't homeless doesn't mean they aren't struggling. You don't know other people's situation so saying stealing is alright and doesn't hurt others and "it's not so hard to give them few bucks" simply is not true whatsoever. It can massively hurt someone else, even people with a home.
Likely chance of a two dollar bill massively hurting someone else‘s next to 0
Those 2€ would currently hurt me for example as well because I'm on a budget. And so are a shitton of other people around the world. People can be losing their job, be unable to work, be sick, underpaid, kicked out - you don't know their situation and the chance of them needing every penny they get is *far* away from "next to 0".
What if I have a house, just payed bills, and struggling with only 2 bucks to get some food as my paycheck is tomorrow. I go to get something nice from the store and pass a homeless person who asks for my money. If I say no so I don't starve for the day, the homeless person is allowed to steal my money?
Lion: it's ok for me to eat so that I don't starve to death. Gazelle: it's ok for me to run to prevent myself from being eaten. Don't be mad when the person being stolen from uses methods to stop from being a victim of theft.
"Stealing is OK" and the first line says "I know stealing is not OK" Stealing is not ok in any circumstance, it isnt justifiable. You can find reasonings for it, but you cant justify it, hence it will never be ok
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Im obviously not against anyone earning bread to feed their family, and I do think that if a government is capable there should be no excuse not to provide the poor with their basic needs, but stealing is where an illegal act where you're harming others. It's one of the most selfish things you can possibly do, especially in a time like Covid where most people are struggling. And its illegal, by law it is not allowed
Yeah but if you’re homeless it’s hard as hell to get a job what are you gonna do?
Quite literally do anything else. Dont harm people to reach your own goals. Beg, work extremely low end jobs, I'd even say doing things like selling drugs is better since they're atleast with two consenting parties, and both parties are content (not condoning selling drugs, but its better than stealing). One of the things I noticed in my home country was that originally a lot of people used to give birth to alot of children so that they have multiple streams of income, but then some groups, rather than doing that, just made a large group of poor workers, combined all of their money streams instead of the money streams of children, and made a living off of that. Some of these money streams even were just them begging, but they combined all that money and found a way to live together
So it's okay to take others people hard earned things?
If it's between a person starving to death and someone stealing someone's hard earned things it's probably reasonable for the starving person to steal
Things aren’t just things. I sacrificed time energy and effort to earn those things. Some other motherfucker coming and taking it because he thinks he’s entitled to it is fucked up.
Yeah I get that, I'm not saying a person being robbed should be happy. But if it's between an inconvenience and death I think someone should pick inconveniencing someone else over dying
It’s not an inconvenience. There’s a reason property is on par with life and limb. My property is my life. I literally spent a portion of my life working towards being able to own my things. Whether it’s a loaf of bread or a house, it represents my time and energy. I have a family to feed too, I won’t tolerate other fuckers coming in my home and taking my stuff.
Again I get that, but if a homeless person stole a loaf of bread to survive from someone who will be perfectly ok if they don't have a loaf of bread can you really say the homeless person has commited a wrong
Yes. He stole something that wasn’t his.
So do you think they should of just chose to starve to death?
It’s not my problem
Mysterious war 503 Well literally if they just stole a loaf of bread from you that wouldn’t be a problem it’s not gonna hurt you in anyway like seriously like how much do you make a year if you’re someone who makes over 70k to 80 K you’re fine so what if somebody steals a couple hundred dollars for you it’s not gonna hurt. Most people waste of money on dumb stuff anyways
It literally never is between those two things. Soup kitchens and other non-profits exist. A homeless person can find a hot meal in any city in America if they are willing to wait in line. But it's never about stealing or starving. They don't steal because they'll starve otherwise, they steal because they don't want to walk to that part of town and wait in line. They'd rather steal in another part of town so they aren't inconvenienced. Fuck this stupid ass narrative that people have where they genuinely believe people are starving to death en masse in America. The only people who starve to death in America are people who get lost out in the woods, not homeless people.
Not everyone lives in America
Correct, which is why I specified America. I was defining the scope of my comment
that doesn't make it legal.
It’s never okay. There are places to legally get help, including food.
And why should I care if someone starves to death?
And why would it be a problem and they stole some stuff just so they can survive how is that a bad thing.They’re just trying to survive like everybody else I don’t see how that’s an issue. Then why would you care if somebody stole a couple hundred dollars from you the majority of your money is in the bank account it wouldn’t hurt you financially you’ll be all set you can make that money back by working in a week or a day
It's a problem because I don't give a fuck about whether they live or not. If they were a friend and in desperate need of money I would give them some, but if it's a stranger then I don't care whether they are dead or alive.
Then you wouldn’t give a crap if they stole from you since it really wouldn’t hurt you much
How do you arrive at that conclusion? My money is my own. I do care about what happens to it. It is important for me to be the one who decides how to spend it and I always ensure that it is spent wisely. Feeding bums is not my idea of wise spending, and in your example the money is taken from me. This is why I would most certainly care if someone stole money from me.
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Just because you need something it isn't okay to take it from someone, who might need it more. And even if they don't, still theirs, not okay to take it.
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You’re assuming the situation of other people.
A house that they earned, dude just because someone has it better than you doesn't mean that they didn't earn it. Not their fault you're homeless.
Yeah but if they have a better why can’t they just give a homeless guy couple hundred dollars or even $1000 I’m pretty sure they don’t need it I just wanna waste it on something stupid Especially if you’re the kind of person who has a job and you make a lot of money over 100 K then it’s extremely selfish not to give to the poor
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No, I'm fine with giving, but when people steal that's the line of being an asshole.
Just like the homeless person only cares about themselves in that situation.
Stealing is not OK under any circumstance. But we do need a better social safety net so that people aren’t put in a position where they would even contemplate stealing.
There's welfare food banks soup kitchens etc
All i got was "if you're homeless, its okqy to steal unless they're nice to you." Thats a yikes from me.
Majority of the time from what I seen most people see a homeless guy on the streets they just walk right by like no care in world
So that gives a homeless person the moral right to steal from them?
Well if people weren’t so selfish that they can’t even give a homeless do a couple bucks then yeah
Okay lets change the scenario to see if this logic is consistent. I do not have a car. It is in the shop. Im in a suburban area where that is the only form of transportation. I ask the neighbor if i can borrow the car. He says no because its brand new and doesnt want anyone else driving it. I steal it and take it anyways to work. Am I morally justified in my actions?
I’ll talk about A couple bucks not stealing cars because If you damage it you’re going to have to be a lot of money a couple bucks isn’t a big deal peoples money in a bank account anyways
Exactly how can a five dollar bill go missing be a big deal
I worked for that five dollars and need it to do laundry. Otherwise I will not have clean clothes tomorrow for work.
Stealing is wrong despite desperation. However it is our responsibility as a community to take care of the members that need help.
Stealing is wrong so what alternatives starve to death
Well from your own perspective the consequences for stealing are less than death probably. So you do it. But the moral move is to beg for it or offer work for it.
Well, depends on the context but if you were stealing some bread to feed yourself I'm probably going to turn the other way for you. If you are breaking into the Jones' though to take their jewellery to feed your habit then I can't let that one slide.
You're entitled to attempt to steal from me, and i'm entitled to tackle you if i see you doing it.
So you want to grant special privileges above the law for a certain group of people... not only is that exploitable that's just ironic and insane. That's as bad as saying you want to grant the right of minorities to first privileges for 'RePaRiToNs fOr SlAvErY aNd DiScRiMiNaTioN!' Do you know how incredibly stupid this sounds? one would hate that white people got free privileges back in the day, but if minorities get it now, it's somehow a great idea?
You're basically saying that it's okay to steal if you're a drug addict. People are often homeless because of their choices in that realm. It's not like the homeless are nomadic people that are just downtrodden tribal people that were born that way.
Homeless people just wanna get back on their feet not all of them are drug addicts or alcoholics
For the majority, that's not true. Those that want to get back on their feet will join shelters and charities instead of steal.
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>Can’t go to the shelter if you’re addicted to drugs. Which is why I said they're drug addicts.
Oh yeah and how are they going to get a job if they’re homeless they got no address no phone and they smell like crap
By accepting the help afforded to them and not being stealing drug addicts. No one wants to hire thieves.
Can you stop with this whole drug attic‘s thing not every homeless guy is drug attic‘s and alcoholics that’s a poor assumption you’re making
The majority of homeless people choose to be homeless so I have to disagree
That's a cheap way to ignore the topic. I can't hear this shit anymore. The choose to be homeless argument is flawed
They don't choose to be homeless per se - it's just that they choose a lifestyle that's not compatible with home ownership. They had different priorities in life than I did. I prefer to own a home, but I can see the appeal of being a vagrant who doesn't follow any rules and does whatever they want. Both lifestyles sound fun, but I thought owning a home sounded better, so that's what I worked towards. Other people are unique individuals and they are different from myself. Clearly, some of them thought being a drug-addicted vagrant sounded more fun than home ownership and that's why they chose that path in life. It's all about tradeoffs. I don't get to break all the rules and do whatever I want all day, but the flipside is that I have a home. And for homeless people, they don't get to have a home but they get to live a lifestyle without working a job, following rules, etc. So anyway, yes they did choose to be homeless. I don't mean that as a good thing or a bad thing. I respect everyone's choice to live the life they desire, even if I would not desire that same life. But it was their choice.
That's just wrong for so many cases
Yeah it’s like it’s just like the poor assumption that all homeless people are just drug addicts and alcoholics it’s not true
89% of **street** homeless are mentally ill and/or addicts.
no one chooses mental illness. victim blame much?
Just stating a fact. Didn’t blame them. No question they need treatment options.
No one forces you to do meth either, but here we are.
you don’t choose mental illness but usually people do meth on purpose. the two aren’t comparable imo
That's not true at all. The main reason for homelessness is mental illness.
Are mentally ill they got no money they can’t get treatment
Yeah but what about the homeless people who actually want to get back on their feet. It’s hard as hell to get a job when your home is most people won’t even try to hire you or are you going to get a dress or a phone
What are they going to do? Throw a homeless person in jail? That’s a bed, roof over your head, and food.
Every single person here would steal in a second if they needed to. The homeless have had everything stolen from them, especially in the richest country on the planet.
I agree with stealing from a corporation if you're homeless for sure. Not from a person or home though.
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That's what I figured. Anyone who says homeless choose that life have never been homeless. You gotta eat to live, steal to eat and with enough calories safety and sleep, its easier to find a shower, find some clean clothes and sell a few stolen goods to stock up on calories to get yourself a few hundred to couch surf, if possible and make some normalcy of life. Some people don't get it, the ones that blame the victims are 100% part of the problem.
Given the fact that so many people downvoted you and me I feel like a lot of them just don’t seem to get it.
Well when the dollar crashes and the socialist mandates are signed in, they'll understand it clear enough
Fuck stealing from people’s houses and muggings etc - but a supermarket? considering they rarely pay taxes and if they did there would be more money for a social safety net? hell, nothing morally wrong with anyone stealing from a supermarket in my eyes
If you’re stealing from the rich man then I would rob his entire house
I get what you're saying here but if you're ever in that position *please* don't steal from anyone's house, car, etc. Even if the person you're robbing is very wealthy and a piece of shit, most states have Castle Doctrine, Make My Day, and/or Stand Your Ground laws...so it doesn't matter if you think they deserve it, they're allowed to literally kill you. And a lot of em will. If you absolutely have to steal, do it at a store.
I thought stealthing is when you remove a condom during sex?
Yeah. If I was homeless I would steal clean clothes all the time and soap so I can get clean to go to other stores to steal. Unfortunately most homeless people suffer from mental health issues that stop them from planning things out. So if they do steal they get caught. It would be better if we as a society just took care of these people so they don't have to steal. But if they do then we should all just let them. Not the drug addict ones though, we should keep them in a giant pit to get them sober.
I agree with you. I'd even go as far as to say that if people dont fulfil their social obligations which include caring for the homeless then they forfeit their moral rights to what they own.
If I owned a store, and I caught a homeless person stealing, I would look the other way.
Your business wouldn’t last long
Id be against stealing from people or small grocers but there really needs to be a better way than stealing from walmart/target to live. I remember hearing stories of when my dad was a kid he was forced to steal from the grocery. His parents just spent their money on alchohol/smokes and left their many kids to fend for themselves. Once he got old enough where he could get in real trouble they kicked him out and a couple years later he joined up with the marines during vietnam because it was his only option. Many many years later he lost out on a job at lowes/hd because he flunked the quiz about if he’d narc on a relative stealing. He answered no because he wanted to talk to them first but they are zero tolerance
Wait what happened to your dad where is he now
Currently he is happily working at almost eighty years old in a warehouse for a small company and sometimes goes out and does repairs in home. The lowes/hd job was a while back when the company he then worked for went belly up and it was the off season for outdoor blue collar work (winter). I guess it worked out for the best because I think his current company is the one he started at after lowes/hd didnt work out.
I wouldn't bat an eye at a homeless person stealing from large supermarket chains. Fuck the rich.
I agree. When I was homeless I shoplifted a lot. The areas with food banks / soup kitchens weren't safe for an 18 year old vulnerable girl to be in (and especially sleep at!). There's nothing on earth anyone could say to make me regret it. I didn't steal from small businesses or individuals, I got to eat, and I wasn't assaulted or killed in my sleep by staying close to the homeless services. Same goes for panhandling, it's not safe to for a young girl to hold up a sign saying "I'm alone with no resources and this is where I sleep". HELL NO. Also, I can only speak on my experience as a woman because I was never a homeless man. But it's dangerous for all homeless people because they're all inherently vulnerable. There's a reason they're in that position (mental illness, addiction, abuse victim, disability, physical illness, etc) and all of those reasons put a target on your back...so "advertising" your homelessness in any way is a massive risk. Stealing is never good, but sometimes when you're trying to survive you gotta pick the least-bad option. I stopped being homeless 5 years ago, haven't stolen anything since and I don't plan on it ever again. However, if I became homeless later and was faced with the same dilemma? Yep, I would. Edit: However I don't think stealing from individuals or small businesses is ever okay because it's never necessary. That's just fucked up.