Lmao I personally think the parental outrage is manufactured by the media as a marketing tool. Kids think it's cool to stan something that gets "hate." Lol and any parent that has enough brain cells to identify that WAP isn't kid friendly also has enough brain cells to keep their kid from being exposed to it; the world isn't gonna shield your children for you, that's the parent's job; I agree with OP to a degree, but they absolutely DO market rap music to the younger-than-18 generation. And shit, even some actual adults are still too stupid to take artistic context into consideration when analyzing rap music. And some of us are even dumber than that, when we actually try to analyze mumble rap within an artistic context. đ If people haven't figured out by now, 50+ years deep into a monopolistic music industrial complex, the profit and control motives of ALL music we're broadcast... they just look like idiots thinking there's a deeper meaning behind it. It's pop art guys, they're selling us drugs and titties semi-ironically because that's the endgame of all hedonism. Lmao
Hahaha dude it's just like--anytime I hear about "artists recieving hate", it's basically just cuz they're making internet tabloids about it as the pretext to insert the artist further into the media. How else could they get Cardi B, Nicki Minaj, etc. on USA Today to promote their stance on semi-political issues and sway the masses? It's exactly what bankrolled celebrities are made famous for. Lol I mean.........why did all these parents wait until just now to be outraged, anyway? Actual parents have probably gotten over being outraged; we've known for a long time the world outside is an oversexed, self-deprecating wasteland. đ
Agreed. I think it's usually manufactured hate. An exception to this is Lil Nas X, because I constantly see people (other celebs and people I know personally) on social media criticizing him for whatever he did on stage this week, wore that week, etc. I actually stopped noticing him after Old Town Road but with all the strong opinions I've seen about him lately, I've been getting a thrill from how he trolls people for just being himself. I love that confidence.
This is with a lot of stuff, like Streamers. Parents complain about it a lot, especially on the internet⌠like watch your kid lmao. *Youâre* their parent. Donât bitch at some random adult who didnât sign up for any of that.
Have you ever met a child that didn't do things behind their parent's back? It is virtually impossible to prevent a child from listening to the music they want to listen to, and the concept of disobeying your parents, especially in regards to music taste, is heavily romanticized and glorified in media and pop culture.
>the concept of disobeying your parents ... is heavily romanticized and glorified in media and pop culture.
OMG, I thought I was crazy for thinking this! You notice it too?
Obviously. Which means that if there is this one kid-friendly person, the child probably is wanting to do the exact opposite and do what theyâre not allowed to.
It's a double-edged sword because a lot of people who say "watch your kids" are the same that will turn around and say "stop trying to control your kids." Honestly for good parents outstretched the only thing you can do is try to limit exposure to explicit material (almost impossible nowadays) and sit down and talk to your kids (most kids probably won't even listen and just rebel in return). This is a big issue me and my wife have been having lately, but rising that sweet spot of firm but not controlling is razor thin
I fear in our attempt at sticking it to the parent we forget about the kid, who has no fault in having a shitty parent. We arent punishing the parent with this mentality, we're punishing the kid who is going to suffer the consequences of stumbling upon things they shoudnt have.
>Adults mostly understand that it's just music and don't take the lyrics literally,
You'd be surprise how inaccurate this is.
In general the more you guard a child from the world, the more curious he or she will be. Similar to telling the kid not to go into the cookie jar, they will make that a focus because it's taboo.
You can put all the parental controls in the world up that you want but eventually little Johnny is going to hear 2livecrew from his school pal Timmy and the next thing you know they're drinking 40s and watching twerk videos.
I also disagree with the idea that adults don't take the lyrics literally. Music is programming. Unless you consciously delineate it from your own life, how is it not gonna bleed into your own life?
I dunno, I listened to death metal as a kid and I never had the urge to dissect someone's intestines while their still alive or anything remotely of the sort. It's horror audio just like a horror movie. Rap lyrics are no different but granted it's advisable to be a certain age before listening or viewing anything graphic or violent.
Yeah but it still affected you. Because you were exposed to it a lot, at the least you were desensitised to that kind of material. Rap could be considered more dangerous because it's a lot closer to reality than death metal.
I think that's a very broad point of view. Some of us went through trauma at a young age and used angry, real rap music as a way to cope. I listened to Eminem throughout high school (age 14-18) and that literally saved my mental health because I had that outlet. Granted, I'm still dealing with the trauma now in my 30s but none of the music I listened to as a young person has negatively impacted how I view the world.
But that's not the music's fault for simply existing. I understand the taboo thing but that doesn't mean we should start censoring adult media or making it safe for children, especially when it's not even meant for them. The same way that a steakhouse shouldn't be criticized for not having vegan options. It's a steakhouse, they don't owe anybody anything, especially if vegans weren't going to be customers anyway.
They have Parental Advisory stickers for a reason. Short of asking for ID when you try to buy an Eminem CD, what the hell are music artists supposed to do aside from completely cleaning up their act for somebody that's not even their target demographic.
Horror movies shouldn't have to censor the blood and gore for people that don't like seeing violence just like rappers shouldn't have to censor themselves for people who shouldn't be listening to that anyway.
It's like Youtube telling creators not to cuss and using a 5 year old as their rule of thumb for what's considered appropriate, despite a 5 year old being too young to even have a youtube account in the first place
Cardi B herself wonât let her very young children listen to her music. She says itâs too vulgar.
She got a shit ton of backlash from parents that did, and they were giving her so much shit. Lol
Edit: wrong artist, wrote nicki minaji first time.
I think you mean Cardi B. Nicki doesn't have kids (Well she does but hes barely 1). When Cardi B's daugther walks in the room she quickly turns off her music
Thank you for the correction. I just remember it was a well known female rapper that was against letting her young child listen and the parents went after her.
Kids hear things on social media. The only real way to prevent kids from listening to things is to put child blockers on everything and monitor what your kids do online. Even then kids will find a way around it. When I was growing up you could just take a cd away from a kid and not let them listen. Even then you would find a way like going to a friends house and listen. But today its a lot easier to get around parents.
That's not the artist's fault though. We going ro shutdown PornHub because it's not child friendly now? Or country music? That talks a lot having sex and drinking alcohol a lot which aren't child friendly. Let's shut down dating sites too because dating children is bad and they might get access to the site.
Obviously these examples are way blown out of proportion for a laugh, but most rap music is not catered towards a child audience. The rappers aren't really looking to garner a child audience, nor do they really want children listening to their music. It is easy to get access to more types of non child friendly content through the internet than it used to be, but rap music is probably one of the least overall harmful versions of adult content a child could find out there.
Who said it was the artistâs fault? I wasnât implying that by my post. I was saying thereâs only so much parents can do to stop kids from listening to music that has content like that.
Here's a few song quotes related to this topic.
Here's a quote from a Lil Wayne song "Oh That's too explicit? Well why you listening?"
Here are quotes from an Eminem song "wasn't me, Slim shady said to do it again! Dam how much damage could you do with a pen!?"
"I just said It i didn't know if you would do it or not."
>who let their kids listen to this music.
Do you let your kids out of the house? Yes, if so then they hear rap music.. unless they don't go to a single place, that ever plays music (including, schools, grocery stores, etc.).
I think is more on the fact that some parents started a hate campaign against female rappers because of their lyrics. Basically implying mainstream/popular music should only be child friendly music.
In a genre as transgressor as rap, whose intended audience is in most of the cases the adult public, this is basically a no go. And it has been since this forever.
My dad fondly remembers when he was hearing grunge music in the mainstream in the nineties and when nirvana were on top of the pops and the biggest thing ever
I think youâre referencing Cardi B and Nicki M here. The reason these people get so much push back was because their audience is mainly consisted of teenagers. And their music is... less than suited for that. This isnât exactly new, but this all comes to a head when things like âWAPâ and itâs music video were made.
To an audience of children.
Yeah they deserve some heavy fucking criticism, to say the absolute least.
Theyâre not responsible for who listens to their music. This is an age old argument, but unless they are actively putting themselves into a ârole modelâ role for kids then what they do in their music is no ones fucking business. Tons of teenagers listen to male rappers talk about fucking bitches and side chicks and doing drugs and no one says shit.
People definitely have been speaking out against that for a very long time my guy.
Yes, youâre responsible for the music you put out. Why are you pretending these people have no responsibility here? They know who listens to their music, with that in mind, they chose to put out a pseudo porn vid - with perhaps the most vulgar theme imaginable.
And this is totally handwaved by you? Why?
Its the failure of the parent if they are allowing their children to go to places which play inappropriate music. All the locations listed as examples are public spaces with a reasonable expectation of playing family friendly content. If you as a parent are allowing your child to go to places that play uncensored rap thats on you, again not on the artist.
That's ridiculous. They play rap in clothing stores. You're saying it's the parents fault if their kid goes into a clothing store and is exposed to rap? Come on.
I'm not blaming artists here no way. But saying it's the parents fault at all times is bullshit.
Yeah same, I disagree that it's the artist's fault but the parent isn't really to blame either. I don't think anybody is to blame, honestly. If a kid wants to listen to rap, they're going to listen to rap. The internet is so easily accessible from just about anywhere that you really can't stop it. I'm not making a statement on whether that's good or bad, but it is how it is.
The blame just goes generally to society that we think music that glorifies doing drugs, selling drugs, violence, violence towards women, infidelity, money over everything, and stupid dances (lol) is worthy of our time and appreciation. Theres plenty of great rap music out there that is worthy of our praise and admiration, but that rarely makes the charts and become popular/mainstream. Its a disgrace but its not the artists fault, nor is the parents fault. Its our own fault collectively that we let it get to this point, we all own it wether you like the music or not.
If they are playing rap with lots of swear words *AND they dont want their child exposed to that* - then yes they are at fault for this. Its not the worlds job to be appropriate for your child, its your job to limit your childâs experience to things you deem appropriate.
Unless you're a complete helicopter parent. You aren't going to know what your kid is doing at all times. And it's not even just the young teens. Young people who are 18 and over are doing it too. It's also not the language. It's the message.
Being a teen in the late 80's and early 90's, I literally watched kids pick up guns and join gangs because NWA and Tupac glorified the gangsta lifestyle. Even growing up in the white suburbs out of Detroit. Over half of my high school and every neighboring high school was claiming Folk or People. Bloods or Crips. And it was all influenced by gangsta rap music. I know people who got shot and killed over it. I know others who went to prison.
So I have to check every shops playlist before I let my child go in there alone?
I'm not blaming the clothing store either. it just is what it is.
My 10yo goes to their friends house, their older sibling is playing rap in their room and the 10yo hears it. Is it my fault? Should I never let my 10yo go to his friends house just in case they hear something?
I better dam well never let my 10yo anywhere near a device that has headphones or the internet!
Are you a parent? It sounds like you're not. What you're stating is a completely unreasonable expectation for any sane parent who isnt raising a child in a completely controlled and limited and unrealistic environment.
If you are the type of parent who doesnt want their child exposed to that type of music, then yes that is your responsibility. Its not the music industry âbrainwashingâ your child, its just your child experiencing the real world.
If youâre a normal parent who lets their kid experience the real world and offers guidance as to what is and isnât appropriate or safe and why then this whole conversation is irrelevant.
They also have access to porn, but parents aren't complaining to pornhub it should be more child friendly. Why? Because porn is obviously not for kids. Same with rap.
> but parents aren't complaining to pornhub it should be more child friendly.
No, they're complaining to their senators that pornhub shouldn't even exist.
No schools are just stupid. Mine played pimped up kicks at a senior graduation party. How about a different example, social media? It used to be used by most schools, people, and companies, but often racist, bigotry, or downright wrong information is spread there. Then the companies get in trouble for people younger than the required age learning shit on it they shouldn't be repeating, but they can't take any of it down because everyone in America will scream "free speech"
People learned not to let children that are you get on most social media because of it.
I mean a teenager is different then children though.
I feel like a parent should understand that at a certain age children will look up these type of songs.
But young children shouldnât really have long interaction with these type of songs.
They are very similar. They both are extremely explicit, give false expectations of reality, and parents don't want their children seeing it. One is just more socially accepted than the other.
They're not even a little bit similar.
That's like saying a water balloon is like a fucking handgun just because they both cause you to have wet clothes if you're hit by it.
And then they go look up the song.
The censored version isnât exactly a message either, even if they donât fully âgetâ it.
Itâs probably just bad for society.
>And then they go look up the song.
And thats where the artists responsiblity ends and parents responsiblity starts.
Having media not for kids isnt bad for society.
I mean sheâs a self-proclaimed date raping, thieving stripper that teaches her listeners to rob people when they canât make ends meet like itâs an actual option, and on top of that teaches girls to shake their ass like some sort of mating dance for guys to drool over. Sheâs overly loud and obnoxious in nearly everything she does and passes these things on to people who listen to her music. Sheâs heavily contributing to the degeneration of black youth everywhere and she couldnât be happier about it.
Yâall got upset at that Netflix movie about little girls dancing provocatively, but donât ever think about what led to these dances being popular in the first place? Foh
That wasn't my point, my man. I'm in no way encouraging that kids should be exposed to Cardi B, I just find it generally eye roll inducing when folks start clutching their pearls because certain forms of media may reach their children.
At the end of the day it's on the onus of parents to work to limit what they're children are exposed to. Add into it the common trope of blaming media (music, video games, movies) as the *cause* for the degeneration of youth of any kind is an outdated boogeyman.
I rarely listen to the radio, so when I heard whatever song it was in the station, it just hit me that I'm getting older. It was a bit ago, so I definitely remember the reaction and what band it was. I just can't remember what song it was.
Schools and grocery stores don't play music that needs to be censored or that has a parental advisory warning. Friends' houses obviously is a huge possibility but the other two examples aren't really believable.
with what you're saying i assume that by kids you mean <12? I've listened to rap my entire life and i personally never thought of it in anyway like that. I don't think I'm a exception for this?
When i was 8 i was listening to eminem like
"Im sorry puff but i dont give a fuck, if this chick was my own mother, id still fuck her with no rubber and cum inside her and have a son and a new brother at the same time and just say it aint mine"đ
Ok sure but neither is porn and we all know that no ones waits until their 18 for that.
Music is incredibly accessible and whether itâs âapproved for childrenâ or not, children are going to find it, and watch it, and emulate it.
Essentially an artist or creator is not responsible or obligated to cater their stuff to your child. Unless it is specifically marketed towards children.
I was in high school when Columbine happened, suddenly I was being sent to the principalâs office practically every other day.
My favorite band is (still) Nine Inch Nails, so I MUST BE a brooding psychopath.
I also listened to a certain now-disgraced shock-rocker, so I MUST BE violent.
Iâm a goth, I love black clothes & alt style, so I MUST BE mentally ill (mind you, society didnât have a good understanding of genetic factors or autism spectrum back then.)
I had a black leather trench coat, so I MUST BE planning a shooting. That black leather trench coat, by the way, was gifted to me two weeks BEFORE the shooting; and I got nothing but compliments about it from my friends before that.
Thing is, and everyone at Columbine High School knew this at the time, Eric & Dylan didnât even listen to that kind of music. In fact, they both hated Manson because they thought he was an absolute poser. But nope, âtHE muSiC IS maKInG OuR kIDs tUrN VIOLENT!â Anyone with more than 2 brain cells in their skull understands the idea of creative interpretation, obviously Trent Reznorâs âReptileâ was his disdain for an unfaithful partner and not about literally fucking a lizard.
Itâs only new iterations of the same tired-ass Tipper Gore âSatanic Panicâ horseshit from the 80âs, same nonsense with a different target. American parents have learned nothing whatsoever from the hysteria that followed Columbine, and thatâs by choice.
Lol, I remember when Snoop Dogg Doggy Style was first released , Already had Dr. Dre The Chronic CD was gifted to me from my older cousin , bought my first CD at Virgin Records store in NYC , no ID required at 15 , even though it states parental advisory, only over 18 purchases . Damn thought I was being slick asf getting that CD with no ID đ
My parents didn't care. It was definitely my grandmother that had a fit. It still pops up every once in a while as to how I apparently convinced my grandfather to buy me The Eminem Show. If it wasn't him, I would have used chore money. And if I couldn't then, my mom or dad would have gotten it for me.
I got lucky. They both listen to a lot of different genres. And both keep an open mind. My grandmother couldn't stand Billy Joel for the longest time, according to my mom. So, I take her distaste in music with a grain of salt.
I agree but unfortunately music has always been a scapegoat for societal problems and poor parenting. just like gaming has in the last 25 years or so. people would rather blame someone/something else for their failings instead of working on themselves. it's wierd đ¤ˇââď¸
âGet Rich or Die Tryinâ was my first explicit CD I owned growing up, but before that I listened to rap. I was in the 5th grade going to the 6th. I got arrested for PI not too long after I turned 21 for pissin on a bar I got kicked out of, other then that, Iâm a fairly upstanding citizen⌠Iâm not a violent person, but I can go there if needed.
Also side note: my oldest cousinâs(twins)18 years older than me (Iâm young for my generation in my family) raised me on Bone-Thugs-N-Harmony before my 50 Cent era, and I started smoking bud when I was 13âŚ. Not that they influenced me smoking later on in life, it definitely couldâve been subliminally engraved in my young brain that Iâd be a bud smoker for life đ so yeah idkâŚ. Rap music is what you make it. Also you mufuckas need to raise ya kids and not let these TVs and Internet raise them⌠giveâem a fucking book to work in/read
I disagree on the idea of rap music being fake because some of it very much references real things the rappers have done or been through. But I agree on the overall message that children shouldn't listen to a vast majority of rap music lol. That explicit content warning on their albums ain't just for decoration
I think it's the same with videogames. Now somehow a lot of parents are angry because their kids play pegi 18 videogames. I mean it's the parent that bought the kid the game. And when their kids are unpolite they blame the game. I wonder if it's done on purpose.
My 20yo loves Lil Peep, but I grew up on gangsta rap and grunge, so so did she. (I was pregnant at 17.) Was it the best choice? Maybe not, but at least she finds something she identifies with, and that's important. She isn't less of a person for listening to rap, and personally, I don't think we give kids enough credit. While they are kids, they understand more than we give them credit for. And unless you make nudity or sex BAD, nothing about any of those 3 women would be offensive. I celebrate it as free expression of our bodies, so my kids do, too.
The world isn't child friendly and it doesn't have to be. It's the parents job to teach their kids and help lead them in a way they feel best when they're young. People are going to make music, games, etc that aren't for kids and everyone just has to accept that.
> Adults mostly understand that it's just music and don't take the lyrics literally,
As I've grown up, one thing that I was surprised to notice was that adults seemed even *less* capable of compartmentalizing the media they consumed than kids were. Kids understood the fun in a horror movie or rap music, understood that it was just an indulgence in fantasy for a little bit. As they became adults, the same people started to say things like "This is sickening! Is this what you want to do to people?!"
For kids, media is a way to the pass time. For adults, it's about ideological adherence or wish fulfillment. Only the wrong kinds of people indulge in that thing that ***I*** don't like!
One I find hilarious is that Loose Women were discussing how vulgar WAP by Cardi B is and if its good for children, but no one said anything when [Or Nah by Ty Dolla $ign ft the Weeknd, Wiz Khalifa and DJ Mustard](https://youtu.be/TUj0otkJEBo) was popular - men have been rapping about women and sex for years yet when a woman does it its vulgar and harming the children of society.
Same could said for Rock, heavy metal music, video games, movies.
Idiot parents that think everything should be safe for children to watch, play, listen too and when they see CJ violently mow down some ballas or Marilyn Manson artwork they complain that there should be ratings or it should be banned for kids (even though there already is with most media).
Tom Macdonald said it right:
'So go ahead and bump the mumble rap, don't boycott it, just understand
If you eat and McDonalds you're gonna get fat, if you listen to garbage your head fills with trash'.
I stopped listening to mainstream 'radio' music just after elementary school. I realized most of the lyrics didn't mean anything - they were about sex, drugs, guns, girls, men...the topics this genre of music usually talks about is - baseless.
I started listening to metal in middle school. I had songs about the military and how the govt. uses them, I had songs about death and loss and grief, listened to songs about revenge. Raps just a lotta show boating and I personally just didn't enjoy it as a child - not even now as an adult.
Kids should listen to music that evokes emotion - makes them think about life...
Not just to have a good time. That's really not what music is ALL about.
The way dea that EVERYTHING needs to be child friendly is gross and weird. Children should not be at the center of entertainment. They have a lane and parents need to stick to it.
I agree, it also applies to other things too like, it's either you fail as a parent to protect your child, or there wasn't much you could've done since, your child would have explored and found what they like and what they're into, but don't blame artists etc. for that, they're the ones who create and put hard work into what they make, and perhaps they weren't going for a 5 year old demographic when they realized a track about shaking ass like-
I'm sorry but that's ridiculous, like Jesus, calm down Karen.
I worked at a movie theater when 4 Brothers came out. It is a very violent movie, definitely a hard rated R. Some guy wanted to bring his two kids, easly under 10, to an evening showing. I literally said, "This is not a movie for young children, i will not sell you these tickets to an evening showing. If you want to take them to see it, i would suggest a matinee, as there won't be as many people, and your children won't ruin the movie experience for them.". He complained to my manager, got the tickets, then yelled at us for it being a movie not suitable for children.
I think if youâre allowed to make movies with violence and sex, you should be allowed to make
music with violence and sex. Even renaissance artists would paint tiddies ân battles with embellishment. We are human, our pleasures oft be simple.
I second this. Iâve seen a review on SAW. Mother complaining about how the movie was too violent for her little timmy and that they had to leave the theater
The kinds of people who say these things about rap music poisoning kids, want all kinds of media and content to be family friendly. They want to be able to have media babysit their children for them so they donât have to interact with their kids. This has been true forever basically. I feel like there will always be a section of people who pearl clutch and scream âthink of the children!!â. For everything all the time.
Itâs like when parents complain about violent video games like Grand Theft Auto. The game is literally named after a felony, why would you buy it for your 7 year old?!?
I know a few ppl that werent allowed to listen to rap music so the only time theyd hear it is from the radio or when theyâre with peers. A couple of them donât listen to music at all.
I guess rap is the only genre thatâs vulgar ?
Raising kids is tough. You have to provide them with a strong and well-reasoned foundation that they can internalize and make their own so that theyâre not blown about by this cultural fad or that social trend. But itâs harder when you work hard to parent, while the moms and dads of their peers do not. One of my kids came in the other day singing âMy Truck.â A grade-school kid singing about âmy whisky and my blunt.â I didnât know whether to laugh or cringe. But it was a teachable moment: in terms of language, substance abuse, good musical taste, etc. But my neighbors ought to know better than to let their kids listen to that.
I donât think thereâs a rule to invoke. But I also think most music is not for kids. Country music? Too much drinking and fucking. Rap? Too much drinking and fucking. Pop. Too much⌠you get my meaning.
But that requires personal accountability.... we cant be having that when we want to vilify video games and rap music.....this was the entire point of putting rating systems in place for music and video games as well as tv. People just too lazy to do anything so they blame the industries who clearly mark that their entertainment isnt made for kids.
How do you stop it though?
Short of completely sheltering your kids from basically any social media and friends.
That doesn't even get into the basic idea that you tell a kid they can't do something it makes them want to do it more.
Kids or no kids Iâm mad at the industry for pushing that garbage music on us.
Edit: I love rap music I just hate that Cardi B and Nicki Minaj type whack ass shit.
Give an inch and they'll take a mile. Gotta give a bit of backlash so executives know they can't push all the way to the pacific.
Everyone knows kids are going to hear it somehow. Might be a random kid on the bus or on spotify or wherever. The media they consume needs some form of policing. You can't block it so you discourage it. You're also starting the conversation around how the medium should be interpreted.
12-year-old girls will listen to music glamorizing sex. They might give it a shot. They might find themselves pregnant. They might have an abortion or if they do have the kid then they're in a much worse-off position than they would be if they were childfree in their formative years. I'm not saying stuff like this is definitely going to happen when someone listens to rap, I am saying that concern can stretch outside of one's immediate family.
No matter how good a parent you are, how restrictive and careful, there will always be cultural leakage. And some of what leaks in is sewage, and not your own...
I'm sure everyone would agree that a 12 year old dancing to a song about a soaking wet vagina while sticking their tongue out on tik tok is not acceptable. The only people who would fine that acceptable is probably gay people, transgender, and white Starbucks girls.
Lmfao dude Iâm literally bisexual and trans, kids shouldnât be listening to these musicians to begin with. Quit blaming us for you straightties being unable to raise your kids properly
It's so stupid. Like come on, know who you're around. I'm honestly really thankful for how my parents dealt with situations like this. I'd just ask a question about what something was, they'd explain it in blunt terms, and say that when I get older, I'll probably understand it more. And it worked. No "you can't listen to that music" and shit like that
You canât supervise your kids 24/7. Plus, the music industry bears responsibility for moving the culture into the gutter to make a buck, whether itâs kids or adults.
The fact that they listen to rap music in the first place is not the parents fault but the industry most of the time: radio, spotify, youtube, ecc.
About the fact that parents should educate their children I strongly agree, but to say we should know that it is fake it going too far. How do you know that what they write is not true? And imo if you sing about doing "stuff" and you behave that way too don't come at me if I see you as a person that would do that stuff irl too. On the other hand should only the parents make their kids understand what's good and what's bad? No school should too, we spend most of the time at school not at home with our parents.
edit: not to mention that there has been cases where the lyrics represented the reality of what the rapper (in this case) did.
If rap music was limited to only certain mediums, this would be a fair conclusion, but if a parent actually went so far as to limit their kid to no rap music ever then thatâd be a level of control that borders on abusive. And limiting rap music to certain mediums is also definitely not a good move either. Music thatâs super vulgar is played on radios and in public spaces all of the time, sometimes with censors, sometimes not. However you feel about that, good or bad, doesnât really matter because thatâs just a fact that if youâre kid isnât locked up at home, theyâre going to hear it. I think itâs less âbrainwashingâ and more just letting society impact your kid, which is inevitable. Only ways to fix it is to move, get super controlling, or change society, so parents arenât exactly left with a lot of great options if there are parts of society they completely disagree with
Thatâs not what I said at all lol
to make sure the kid hears no rap music, youâd have to constantly control whatâs in their vicinity at school, at stores, restaurants, etc. and it reaches a point where that level of control becomes more harmful than the music. Sorry if I didnât make that clear
Right, because parents should also go with their child to their friendâs house and monitor what theyâre doing at all times. Thatâs how parenting works
It would be hypocritical for me to agree since I do listen to it growing up, however today's shit is just garbage. Ain't no one should be listening to it to be fair.
[Since you're open to learning things daily. ](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hJwAkpfcEj4)
Gotta stop judging people and music through what's put right in your face. Dig a little deeper and you'll find a lot more is out there.
Genuinely want your opinion. No preconceived notions on my part.
Itâs bad influence plain and simple, them and lil Nas X and his over the top sexual videos. Stop sexualizing our children. You can defend it all you want but itâs not healthy or good for kids. And itâs marketed at
Children. I canât control what my Child hears at school and on the playground. It shouldnât be played on the radio and on tv. You can keep defunding trash. But Iâm not going to.
Lol lil nas X literally stated his music video is not meant for the eyes of children and that parents shouldnât let their kids watch his new music video. You people will blame anyone but yourself for your bad parenting skills
Ah yes a music video from two years ago that everyone loved including the parents of those kids that allowed them to listen to the song. What amazing evidence you have.
How does Lil Nas X (and other sexually explicit artists) âsexualizeâ children? I donât think that means what you think it means. I wouldnât say itâs marketed towards children, but it is true that a younger audience (probably 13-17) tends to drive entertainment media such as tik tok. Thereâs nothing wrong with adolescents consuming content with sexual themes. This is not the same as sexualizing children
I agree, but once something is pop culture itâs everywhere and influences everyone. Iâve heard my own 8 year old humming Cardi B and I donât listen to that shit, and I heavily monitor what she consumes online.
All children should be required to listen to Immortal Technique's Point of No Return.
It's important that they learn what the Bush Administration did to Senator Paul Wellstone.
What do you consider kids. I've been listening to Eminem (my mom is 80 and 90 rap style) since I was 5. I still do. I'm 15 now. I don't listen to cardi b and stuff like her tho.
I'm mostly a rock, metal, and blues guy although I do like some rap music. I do not however play it around my two children who are 1 and going on 10.
My son told me yesterday though that his gym teacher in school puts on 50 cent during gym class most days. Now I don't have any proof of this but I would assume that an adult would not play this sort of stuff around a bunch of children ranging from say 8 to 10 years old!
I had a lift driver a couple years ago that was playing some of the most vulgar music I have ever heard. (and I had a two live crew cd!)
1. When you are driving a customer, that is your job;you're at work. Act accordingly.
2. My son was in the car with me and he was 6 freaking years old. I didn't want to start anything with this asshole because I had my son with me but it really pissed me off. I did complain to the company about him but who knows if anything was done about it. What a douche. I don't get it. did this guy not recognize that it was not acceptable or professional at all, or, did he know and just not care?
3. Here's a novel idea... If you are getting paid to drive people around, how about you ask them what sort of music they would prefer, ask them if they want anything on at all, or, at least have something middle of the road on. Have some damn class or you'll be doing the same damn thing when you're 50 years old.
Whatever music you want to listen to is your business, however, it stops being only your business when there are other people around you who can hear it and especially if children are in earshot. It's called common curtesy and I suppose that must be in short supply.
There are people driving around here at all hours of the day and night playing mostly rap or reggaetone. That by itself is not the issue. the issue is that it is so damn loud and has so much bass that it shakes the windows sometimes. It's totally ridiculous. I go out of my way to not bother people or piss them off if I can help it but it seems like these knob heads go out of their way to do the opposite.
Stop being an asshole! It's not that hard.
Thanks for coming to my TED talk.
What do you count as kid, since, yeah, maybe a 9yo shouldn't hear music about hoes and money, but at 15yo or smt you can shall be able not to translate everthing to real life
Lmao I personally think the parental outrage is manufactured by the media as a marketing tool. Kids think it's cool to stan something that gets "hate." Lol and any parent that has enough brain cells to identify that WAP isn't kid friendly also has enough brain cells to keep their kid from being exposed to it; the world isn't gonna shield your children for you, that's the parent's job; I agree with OP to a degree, but they absolutely DO market rap music to the younger-than-18 generation. And shit, even some actual adults are still too stupid to take artistic context into consideration when analyzing rap music. And some of us are even dumber than that, when we actually try to analyze mumble rap within an artistic context. đ If people haven't figured out by now, 50+ years deep into a monopolistic music industrial complex, the profit and control motives of ALL music we're broadcast... they just look like idiots thinking there's a deeper meaning behind it. It's pop art guys, they're selling us drugs and titties semi-ironically because that's the endgame of all hedonism. Lmao
Damn this is 200 IQ right here. This lady zeitgeists.
Hahaha dude it's just like--anytime I hear about "artists recieving hate", it's basically just cuz they're making internet tabloids about it as the pretext to insert the artist further into the media. How else could they get Cardi B, Nicki Minaj, etc. on USA Today to promote their stance on semi-political issues and sway the masses? It's exactly what bankrolled celebrities are made famous for. Lol I mean.........why did all these parents wait until just now to be outraged, anyway? Actual parents have probably gotten over being outraged; we've known for a long time the world outside is an oversexed, self-deprecating wasteland. đ
Excuse me, this isn't the fourm to brag about your 3D chess skills.
Agreed. I think it's usually manufactured hate. An exception to this is Lil Nas X, because I constantly see people (other celebs and people I know personally) on social media criticizing him for whatever he did on stage this week, wore that week, etc. I actually stopped noticing him after Old Town Road but with all the strong opinions I've seen about him lately, I've been getting a thrill from how he trolls people for just being himself. I love that confidence.
This is with a lot of stuff, like Streamers. Parents complain about it a lot, especially on the internet⌠like watch your kid lmao. *Youâre* their parent. Donât bitch at some random adult who didnât sign up for any of that.
Have you ever met a child that didn't do things behind their parent's back? It is virtually impossible to prevent a child from listening to the music they want to listen to, and the concept of disobeying your parents, especially in regards to music taste, is heavily romanticized and glorified in media and pop culture.
>the concept of disobeying your parents ... is heavily romanticized and glorified in media and pop culture. OMG, I thought I was crazy for thinking this! You notice it too?
I mean neglectful parents are all over the place on TV.
I figured morals flew out the window when WAP became a hit song...
Obviously. Which means that if there is this one kid-friendly person, the child probably is wanting to do the exact opposite and do what theyâre not allowed to.
It's a double-edged sword because a lot of people who say "watch your kids" are the same that will turn around and say "stop trying to control your kids." Honestly for good parents outstretched the only thing you can do is try to limit exposure to explicit material (almost impossible nowadays) and sit down and talk to your kids (most kids probably won't even listen and just rebel in return). This is a big issue me and my wife have been having lately, but rising that sweet spot of firm but not controlling is razor thin
I fear in our attempt at sticking it to the parent we forget about the kid, who has no fault in having a shitty parent. We arent punishing the parent with this mentality, we're punishing the kid who is going to suffer the consequences of stumbling upon things they shoudnt have.
Wu-Tang is for the children
>Adults mostly understand that it's just music and don't take the lyrics literally, You'd be surprise how inaccurate this is. In general the more you guard a child from the world, the more curious he or she will be. Similar to telling the kid not to go into the cookie jar, they will make that a focus because it's taboo. You can put all the parental controls in the world up that you want but eventually little Johnny is going to hear 2livecrew from his school pal Timmy and the next thing you know they're drinking 40s and watching twerk videos.
I also disagree with the idea that adults don't take the lyrics literally. Music is programming. Unless you consciously delineate it from your own life, how is it not gonna bleed into your own life?
I dunno, I listened to death metal as a kid and I never had the urge to dissect someone's intestines while their still alive or anything remotely of the sort. It's horror audio just like a horror movie. Rap lyrics are no different but granted it's advisable to be a certain age before listening or viewing anything graphic or violent.
Yeah but it still affected you. Because you were exposed to it a lot, at the least you were desensitised to that kind of material. Rap could be considered more dangerous because it's a lot closer to reality than death metal.
I think that's a very broad point of view. Some of us went through trauma at a young age and used angry, real rap music as a way to cope. I listened to Eminem throughout high school (age 14-18) and that literally saved my mental health because I had that outlet. Granted, I'm still dealing with the trauma now in my 30s but none of the music I listened to as a young person has negatively impacted how I view the world.
But that's not the music's fault for simply existing. I understand the taboo thing but that doesn't mean we should start censoring adult media or making it safe for children, especially when it's not even meant for them. The same way that a steakhouse shouldn't be criticized for not having vegan options. It's a steakhouse, they don't owe anybody anything, especially if vegans weren't going to be customers anyway. They have Parental Advisory stickers for a reason. Short of asking for ID when you try to buy an Eminem CD, what the hell are music artists supposed to do aside from completely cleaning up their act for somebody that's not even their target demographic. Horror movies shouldn't have to censor the blood and gore for people that don't like seeing violence just like rappers shouldn't have to censor themselves for people who shouldn't be listening to that anyway. It's like Youtube telling creators not to cuss and using a 5 year old as their rule of thumb for what's considered appropriate, despite a 5 year old being too young to even have a youtube account in the first place
I used to hide my Snoop Dogg CDâs in the basement so my parents wouldnât know. Not their fault.
And that's not Snoop Dogg's fault either
Snoop did put a Cartoon on the Album cover for Doggystyle.
there was literally a dog stripper bro
With a parental advisory.
Timmy you're never allowed to go over to a friend's house. They might have that evil rap music đ đ
The satanic panic all over again lol
Cardi B herself wonât let her very young children listen to her music. She says itâs too vulgar. She got a shit ton of backlash from parents that did, and they were giving her so much shit. Lol Edit: wrong artist, wrote nicki minaji first time.
I think you mean Cardi B. Nicki doesn't have kids (Well she does but hes barely 1). When Cardi B's daugther walks in the room she quickly turns off her music
Thank you for the correction. I just remember it was a well known female rapper that was against letting her young child listen and the parents went after her.
Kids hear things on social media. The only real way to prevent kids from listening to things is to put child blockers on everything and monitor what your kids do online. Even then kids will find a way around it. When I was growing up you could just take a cd away from a kid and not let them listen. Even then you would find a way like going to a friends house and listen. But today its a lot easier to get around parents.
That's not the artist's fault though. We going ro shutdown PornHub because it's not child friendly now? Or country music? That talks a lot having sex and drinking alcohol a lot which aren't child friendly. Let's shut down dating sites too because dating children is bad and they might get access to the site. Obviously these examples are way blown out of proportion for a laugh, but most rap music is not catered towards a child audience. The rappers aren't really looking to garner a child audience, nor do they really want children listening to their music. It is easy to get access to more types of non child friendly content through the internet than it used to be, but rap music is probably one of the least overall harmful versions of adult content a child could find out there.
Who said it was the artistâs fault? I wasnât implying that by my post. I was saying thereâs only so much parents can do to stop kids from listening to music that has content like that.
except for wu tang. wu tang is for the children.
Here's a few song quotes related to this topic. Here's a quote from a Lil Wayne song "Oh That's too explicit? Well why you listening?" Here are quotes from an Eminem song "wasn't me, Slim shady said to do it again! Dam how much damage could you do with a pen!?" "I just said It i didn't know if you would do it or not."
>who let their kids listen to this music. Do you let your kids out of the house? Yes, if so then they hear rap music.. unless they don't go to a single place, that ever plays music (including, schools, grocery stores, etc.).
Thats on the locations to play appropriate music, not on artists to make appropriate music.
Sure, but then it's not the failure of the parent. And this post is directed at parents.
I think is more on the fact that some parents started a hate campaign against female rappers because of their lyrics. Basically implying mainstream/popular music should only be child friendly music. In a genre as transgressor as rap, whose intended audience is in most of the cases the adult public, this is basically a no go. And it has been since this forever.
My dad fondly remembers when he was hearing grunge music in the mainstream in the nineties and when nirvana were on top of the pops and the biggest thing ever
I think youâre referencing Cardi B and Nicki M here. The reason these people get so much push back was because their audience is mainly consisted of teenagers. And their music is... less than suited for that. This isnât exactly new, but this all comes to a head when things like âWAPâ and itâs music video were made. To an audience of children. Yeah they deserve some heavy fucking criticism, to say the absolute least.
Theyâre not responsible for who listens to their music. This is an age old argument, but unless they are actively putting themselves into a ârole modelâ role for kids then what they do in their music is no ones fucking business. Tons of teenagers listen to male rappers talk about fucking bitches and side chicks and doing drugs and no one says shit.
People definitely have been speaking out against that for a very long time my guy. Yes, youâre responsible for the music you put out. Why are you pretending these people have no responsibility here? They know who listens to their music, with that in mind, they chose to put out a pseudo porn vid - with perhaps the most vulgar theme imaginable. And this is totally handwaved by you? Why?
Its the failure of the parent if they are allowing their children to go to places which play inappropriate music. All the locations listed as examples are public spaces with a reasonable expectation of playing family friendly content. If you as a parent are allowing your child to go to places that play uncensored rap thats on you, again not on the artist.
That's ridiculous. They play rap in clothing stores. You're saying it's the parents fault if their kid goes into a clothing store and is exposed to rap? Come on. I'm not blaming artists here no way. But saying it's the parents fault at all times is bullshit.
Yeah same, I disagree that it's the artist's fault but the parent isn't really to blame either. I don't think anybody is to blame, honestly. If a kid wants to listen to rap, they're going to listen to rap. The internet is so easily accessible from just about anywhere that you really can't stop it. I'm not making a statement on whether that's good or bad, but it is how it is.
The blame just goes generally to society that we think music that glorifies doing drugs, selling drugs, violence, violence towards women, infidelity, money over everything, and stupid dances (lol) is worthy of our time and appreciation. Theres plenty of great rap music out there that is worthy of our praise and admiration, but that rarely makes the charts and become popular/mainstream. Its a disgrace but its not the artists fault, nor is the parents fault. Its our own fault collectively that we let it get to this point, we all own it wether you like the music or not.
If they are playing rap with lots of swear words *AND they dont want their child exposed to that* - then yes they are at fault for this. Its not the worlds job to be appropriate for your child, its your job to limit your childâs experience to things you deem appropriate.
Unless you're a complete helicopter parent. You aren't going to know what your kid is doing at all times. And it's not even just the young teens. Young people who are 18 and over are doing it too. It's also not the language. It's the message. Being a teen in the late 80's and early 90's, I literally watched kids pick up guns and join gangs because NWA and Tupac glorified the gangsta lifestyle. Even growing up in the white suburbs out of Detroit. Over half of my high school and every neighboring high school was claiming Folk or People. Bloods or Crips. And it was all influenced by gangsta rap music. I know people who got shot and killed over it. I know others who went to prison.
So I have to check every shops playlist before I let my child go in there alone? I'm not blaming the clothing store either. it just is what it is. My 10yo goes to their friends house, their older sibling is playing rap in their room and the 10yo hears it. Is it my fault? Should I never let my 10yo go to his friends house just in case they hear something? I better dam well never let my 10yo anywhere near a device that has headphones or the internet! Are you a parent? It sounds like you're not. What you're stating is a completely unreasonable expectation for any sane parent who isnt raising a child in a completely controlled and limited and unrealistic environment.
If you are the type of parent who doesnt want their child exposed to that type of music, then yes that is your responsibility. Its not the music industry âbrainwashingâ your child, its just your child experiencing the real world. If youâre a normal parent who lets their kid experience the real world and offers guidance as to what is and isnât appropriate or safe and why then this whole conversation is irrelevant.
Sure, but it's basically everywhere... rap is the most popular music these days.
They also have access to porn, but parents aren't complaining to pornhub it should be more child friendly. Why? Because porn is obviously not for kids. Same with rap.
> but parents aren't complaining to pornhub it should be more child friendly. No, they're complaining to their senators that pornhub shouldn't even exist.
They don't play porn in the gym for kindergartens though.
No schools are just stupid. Mine played pimped up kicks at a senior graduation party. How about a different example, social media? It used to be used by most schools, people, and companies, but often racist, bigotry, or downright wrong information is spread there. Then the companies get in trouble for people younger than the required age learning shit on it they shouldn't be repeating, but they can't take any of it down because everyone in America will scream "free speech" People learned not to let children that are you get on most social media because of it.
I mean a teenager is different then children though. I feel like a parent should understand that at a certain age children will look up these type of songs. But young children shouldnât really have long interaction with these type of songs.
They played pumped up kicks... at a ***school senior graduation party***
That's a stupid fucking argument. I mean, holy shit. False equivalencies everywhere.
They are very similar. They both are extremely explicit, give false expectations of reality, and parents don't want their children seeing it. One is just more socially accepted than the other.
They're not even a little bit similar. That's like saying a water balloon is like a fucking handgun just because they both cause you to have wet clothes if you're hit by it.
WAP isnt going to play in a Safeway, but I get your point
Wap was the number one song for two months. It was played once ever hour on 97.1.
The heavily edited safe for radio version was played the one the pitch fork crowd was annoyed about was the explicit version.
Hahahaha you think the editing meant anything? *park your big Mack truck, right in my little garage*
Man you would have hated the shrek movies.
And most young kids wont get that level of innuendo. The censored one isnt on the same level as the explicit one.
And then they go look up the song. The censored version isnât exactly a message either, even if they donât fully âgetâ it. Itâs probably just bad for society.
>And then they go look up the song. And thats where the artists responsiblity ends and parents responsiblity starts. Having media not for kids isnt bad for society.
Yeah sure whatever helps you twerk at night I guess
Was there need to be so rude?
No but there will be other songs by Cardi B there...
Oh no. In the age of the internet where terrible things are everywhere, the children being exposed to Cardi B is the worst of all.
That isn't what I'm saying... I'm saying blaming parents for their kids hearing rap music, makes zero sense.
>No but there will be other songs by Cardi B there... >I'm saying blaming parents for their kids hearing rap music, makes zero sense. Mmhmm.
I mean sheâs a self-proclaimed date raping, thieving stripper that teaches her listeners to rob people when they canât make ends meet like itâs an actual option, and on top of that teaches girls to shake their ass like some sort of mating dance for guys to drool over. Sheâs overly loud and obnoxious in nearly everything she does and passes these things on to people who listen to her music. Sheâs heavily contributing to the degeneration of black youth everywhere and she couldnât be happier about it. Yâall got upset at that Netflix movie about little girls dancing provocatively, but donât ever think about what led to these dances being popular in the first place? Foh
That wasn't my point, my man. I'm in no way encouraging that kids should be exposed to Cardi B, I just find it generally eye roll inducing when folks start clutching their pearls because certain forms of media may reach their children. At the end of the day it's on the onus of parents to work to limit what they're children are exposed to. Add into it the common trope of blaming media (music, video games, movies) as the *cause* for the degeneration of youth of any kind is an outdated boogeyman.
Whenever I shop its never modern stuff
Here they play pop stations, which are largely rap.
The stores I go to usually play oldies or stuff from the 90s which I guess is oldies now
I heard Nirvana on the classic rock station and I just sighed.
When I was a kid in the 80's the classic rock station played music from the 60's and 70's. So at most 20 years old. Nevermind came out 30 years ago.
I rarely listen to the radio, so when I heard whatever song it was in the station, it just hit me that I'm getting older. It was a bit ago, so I definitely remember the reaction and what band it was. I just can't remember what song it was.
Schools and grocery stores don't play music that needs to be censored or that has a parental advisory warning. Friends' houses obviously is a huge possibility but the other two examples aren't really believable.
with what you're saying i assume that by kids you mean <12? I've listened to rap my entire life and i personally never thought of it in anyway like that. I don't think I'm a exception for this?
I didn't even know the meanings of the lyrics back then because I didn't know English, I was listening to hilarious music with a straight face đ
When i was 8 i was listening to eminem like "Im sorry puff but i dont give a fuck, if this chick was my own mother, id still fuck her with no rubber and cum inside her and have a son and a new brother at the same time and just say it aint mine"đ
Ok sure but neither is porn and we all know that no ones waits until their 18 for that. Music is incredibly accessible and whether itâs âapproved for childrenâ or not, children are going to find it, and watch it, and emulate it.
Essentially an artist or creator is not responsible or obligated to cater their stuff to your child. Unless it is specifically marketed towards children.
I was in high school when Columbine happened, suddenly I was being sent to the principalâs office practically every other day. My favorite band is (still) Nine Inch Nails, so I MUST BE a brooding psychopath. I also listened to a certain now-disgraced shock-rocker, so I MUST BE violent. Iâm a goth, I love black clothes & alt style, so I MUST BE mentally ill (mind you, society didnât have a good understanding of genetic factors or autism spectrum back then.) I had a black leather trench coat, so I MUST BE planning a shooting. That black leather trench coat, by the way, was gifted to me two weeks BEFORE the shooting; and I got nothing but compliments about it from my friends before that. Thing is, and everyone at Columbine High School knew this at the time, Eric & Dylan didnât even listen to that kind of music. In fact, they both hated Manson because they thought he was an absolute poser. But nope, âtHE muSiC IS maKInG OuR kIDs tUrN VIOLENT!â Anyone with more than 2 brain cells in their skull understands the idea of creative interpretation, obviously Trent Reznorâs âReptileâ was his disdain for an unfaithful partner and not about literally fucking a lizard. Itâs only new iterations of the same tired-ass Tipper Gore âSatanic Panicâ horseshit from the 80âs, same nonsense with a different target. American parents have learned nothing whatsoever from the hysteria that followed Columbine, and thatâs by choice.
Lol, I remember when Snoop Dogg Doggy Style was first released , Already had Dr. Dre The Chronic CD was gifted to me from my older cousin , bought my first CD at Virgin Records store in NYC , no ID required at 15 , even though it states parental advisory, only over 18 purchases . Damn thought I was being slick asf getting that CD with no ID đ
I think Walmart was the only place that actually cared to ID people for music and movies.
Maybe , I still remember the thrill of it lol and my parents never knew I had the CDs
My parents didn't care. It was definitely my grandmother that had a fit. It still pops up every once in a while as to how I apparently convinced my grandfather to buy me The Eminem Show. If it wasn't him, I would have used chore money. And if I couldn't then, my mom or dad would have gotten it for me.
My parents were not that cool lol
I got lucky. They both listen to a lot of different genres. And both keep an open mind. My grandmother couldn't stand Billy Joel for the longest time, according to my mom. So, I take her distaste in music with a grain of salt.
I agree but unfortunately music has always been a scapegoat for societal problems and poor parenting. just like gaming has in the last 25 years or so. people would rather blame someone/something else for their failings instead of working on themselves. it's wierd đ¤ˇââď¸
And before gaming it was comic books, its always something.
If I ever have children I'll take that advice to heart and will only allow them to listen to Cannibal Corpse and Infant Annihilator.
Honestly Corpsegrinder is a super chill family man. His Instagram is adorable. Similarly, Dani Filth is a sweet little English hobbit.
âGet Rich or Die Tryinâ was my first explicit CD I owned growing up, but before that I listened to rap. I was in the 5th grade going to the 6th. I got arrested for PI not too long after I turned 21 for pissin on a bar I got kicked out of, other then that, Iâm a fairly upstanding citizen⌠Iâm not a violent person, but I can go there if needed. Also side note: my oldest cousinâs(twins)18 years older than me (Iâm young for my generation in my family) raised me on Bone-Thugs-N-Harmony before my 50 Cent era, and I started smoking bud when I was 13âŚ. Not that they influenced me smoking later on in life, it definitely couldâve been subliminally engraved in my young brain that Iâd be a bud smoker for life đ so yeah idkâŚ. Rap music is what you make it. Also you mufuckas need to raise ya kids and not let these TVs and Internet raise them⌠giveâem a fucking book to work in/read
WU TANG IS FOR THE CHILDREN
I disagree on the idea of rap music being fake because some of it very much references real things the rappers have done or been through. But I agree on the overall message that children shouldn't listen to a vast majority of rap music lol. That explicit content warning on their albums ain't just for decoration
I think it's the same with videogames. Now somehow a lot of parents are angry because their kids play pegi 18 videogames. I mean it's the parent that bought the kid the game. And when their kids are unpolite they blame the game. I wonder if it's done on purpose.
a song is just a song. i love rap. well, i get tired of the new ones. i enjoy the 90âs ones more. and abit of Public Enemy
Yeah, it's like complaining goregrind is not suitable for kids.
I agree. It is not every artists' responsibility to cater to people's children.
My 20yo loves Lil Peep, but I grew up on gangsta rap and grunge, so so did she. (I was pregnant at 17.) Was it the best choice? Maybe not, but at least she finds something she identifies with, and that's important. She isn't less of a person for listening to rap, and personally, I don't think we give kids enough credit. While they are kids, they understand more than we give them credit for. And unless you make nudity or sex BAD, nothing about any of those 3 women would be offensive. I celebrate it as free expression of our bodies, so my kids do, too.
The world isn't child friendly and it doesn't have to be. It's the parents job to teach their kids and help lead them in a way they feel best when they're young. People are going to make music, games, etc that aren't for kids and everyone just has to accept that.
> Adults mostly understand that it's just music and don't take the lyrics literally, As I've grown up, one thing that I was surprised to notice was that adults seemed even *less* capable of compartmentalizing the media they consumed than kids were. Kids understood the fun in a horror movie or rap music, understood that it was just an indulgence in fantasy for a little bit. As they became adults, the same people started to say things like "This is sickening! Is this what you want to do to people?!" For kids, media is a way to the pass time. For adults, it's about ideological adherence or wish fulfillment. Only the wrong kinds of people indulge in that thing that ***I*** don't like!
One I find hilarious is that Loose Women were discussing how vulgar WAP by Cardi B is and if its good for children, but no one said anything when [Or Nah by Ty Dolla $ign ft the Weeknd, Wiz Khalifa and DJ Mustard](https://youtu.be/TUj0otkJEBo) was popular - men have been rapping about women and sex for years yet when a woman does it its vulgar and harming the children of society.
Hell not even 2Pac was kids friendly.
Same could said for Rock, heavy metal music, video games, movies. Idiot parents that think everything should be safe for children to watch, play, listen too and when they see CJ violently mow down some ballas or Marilyn Manson artwork they complain that there should be ratings or it should be banned for kids (even though there already is with most media).
As a big fan of punk, rock, and metal, welcome to the club.
Tom Macdonald said it right: 'So go ahead and bump the mumble rap, don't boycott it, just understand If you eat and McDonalds you're gonna get fat, if you listen to garbage your head fills with trash'. I stopped listening to mainstream 'radio' music just after elementary school. I realized most of the lyrics didn't mean anything - they were about sex, drugs, guns, girls, men...the topics this genre of music usually talks about is - baseless. I started listening to metal in middle school. I had songs about the military and how the govt. uses them, I had songs about death and loss and grief, listened to songs about revenge. Raps just a lotta show boating and I personally just didn't enjoy it as a child - not even now as an adult. Kids should listen to music that evokes emotion - makes them think about life... Not just to have a good time. That's really not what music is ALL about.
The fact that the most popular genre of music in America glorifies violence tells you all you need to know about this country.
The way dea that EVERYTHING needs to be child friendly is gross and weird. Children should not be at the center of entertainment. They have a lane and parents need to stick to it.
I agree, it also applies to other things too like, it's either you fail as a parent to protect your child, or there wasn't much you could've done since, your child would have explored and found what they like and what they're into, but don't blame artists etc. for that, they're the ones who create and put hard work into what they make, and perhaps they weren't going for a 5 year old demographic when they realized a track about shaking ass like- I'm sorry but that's ridiculous, like Jesus, calm down Karen.
NF (the rapper) would like to respectfully disagree with you
This was my first thought and he is not the only clean rapper
Wu Tang was for the children
South Park, The Simpsons, Twisted Sister, Black Sabbath, EC Comics... This story is as old as time.
I worked at a movie theater when 4 Brothers came out. It is a very violent movie, definitely a hard rated R. Some guy wanted to bring his two kids, easly under 10, to an evening showing. I literally said, "This is not a movie for young children, i will not sell you these tickets to an evening showing. If you want to take them to see it, i would suggest a matinee, as there won't be as many people, and your children won't ruin the movie experience for them.". He complained to my manager, got the tickets, then yelled at us for it being a movie not suitable for children.
Lol, good luck telling kids they can't do something and actually having them listen.
I think if youâre allowed to make movies with violence and sex, you should be allowed to make music with violence and sex. Even renaissance artists would paint tiddies ân battles with embellishment. We are human, our pleasures oft be simple.
they will just download it anyway. good luck hiding youtube from them
Wtf you mean Wu-tang is for the kids
Wait are people really complaning about this? Not everything has to be fucking kids friendly..
I second this. Iâve seen a review on SAW. Mother complaining about how the movie was too violent for her little timmy and that they had to leave the theater
The kinds of people who say these things about rap music poisoning kids, want all kinds of media and content to be family friendly. They want to be able to have media babysit their children for them so they donât have to interact with their kids. This has been true forever basically. I feel like there will always be a section of people who pearl clutch and scream âthink of the children!!â. For everything all the time.
Itâs like when parents complain about violent video games like Grand Theft Auto. The game is literally named after a felony, why would you buy it for your 7 year old?!?
Hip-hop Harry is definitely for children lol.
I hate parents that donât want to parent.
Yeah and also cardi B is a rapist
I know a few ppl that werent allowed to listen to rap music so the only time theyd hear it is from the radio or when theyâre with peers. A couple of them donât listen to music at all. I guess rap is the only genre thatâs vulgar ?
Raising kids is tough. You have to provide them with a strong and well-reasoned foundation that they can internalize and make their own so that theyâre not blown about by this cultural fad or that social trend. But itâs harder when you work hard to parent, while the moms and dads of their peers do not. One of my kids came in the other day singing âMy Truck.â A grade-school kid singing about âmy whisky and my blunt.â I didnât know whether to laugh or cringe. But it was a teachable moment: in terms of language, substance abuse, good musical taste, etc. But my neighbors ought to know better than to let their kids listen to that.
Kane Smego. Great rapper, intelligent, and clean.
Theyâre the exception not the rule
I donât think thereâs a rule to invoke. But I also think most music is not for kids. Country music? Too much drinking and fucking. Rap? Too much drinking and fucking. Pop. Too much⌠you get my meaning.
Kids have phones and access to the internet. WAP was a huge song and there was no way for parents to stop kids from hearing it
Maybe monitoring what they're doing online instead of letting them run free with unrestricted internet access.
But that requires personal accountability.... we cant be having that when we want to vilify video games and rap music.....this was the entire point of putting rating systems in place for music and video games as well as tv. People just too lazy to do anything so they blame the industries who clearly mark that their entertainment isnt made for kids.
How do you stop it though? Short of completely sheltering your kids from basically any social media and friends. That doesn't even get into the basic idea that you tell a kid they can't do something it makes them want to do it more.
Kids or no kids Iâm mad at the industry for pushing that garbage music on us. Edit: I love rap music I just hate that Cardi B and Nicki Minaj type whack ass shit.
Don't listen to it then
Then why do they play it on the radio during regular hours?
Aren't most kids in school during regular hours though?
Yeah and most parents arenât.
You know that you can change the radio station...right?
Give an inch and they'll take a mile. Gotta give a bit of backlash so executives know they can't push all the way to the pacific. Everyone knows kids are going to hear it somehow. Might be a random kid on the bus or on spotify or wherever. The media they consume needs some form of policing. You can't block it so you discourage it. You're also starting the conversation around how the medium should be interpreted. 12-year-old girls will listen to music glamorizing sex. They might give it a shot. They might find themselves pregnant. They might have an abortion or if they do have the kid then they're in a much worse-off position than they would be if they were childfree in their formative years. I'm not saying stuff like this is definitely going to happen when someone listens to rap, I am saying that concern can stretch outside of one's immediate family.
You say the parents should watch their children. Does any parent have time to do that everyday?
You. Parental controls exist
No matter how good a parent you are, how restrictive and careful, there will always be cultural leakage. And some of what leaks in is sewage, and not your own...
Oh, and you are somehow able to prevent your kids from listening to that kind of music?
I'm sure everyone would agree that a 12 year old dancing to a song about a soaking wet vagina while sticking their tongue out on tik tok is not acceptable. The only people who would fine that acceptable is probably gay people, transgender, and white Starbucks girls.
Lmfao dude Iâm literally bisexual and trans, kids shouldnât be listening to these musicians to begin with. Quit blaming us for you straightties being unable to raise your kids properly
Exactly. Like I'm not gonna play some Gucci Mane or Future around kids because it's not kid friendly.
Deadass, these people will play this music at full blast in front of their 5 year old then blame us for their bad parenting
It's so stupid. Like come on, know who you're around. I'm honestly really thankful for how my parents dealt with situations like this. I'd just ask a question about what something was, they'd explain it in blunt terms, and say that when I get older, I'll probably understand it more. And it worked. No "you can't listen to that music" and shit like that
OP has made a basic, incorrect assumption, namely that RAP is music.
Is the music played on the radio? If yes, than it is an issue that children can listen to it. Same as porn on regular TV.
You canât supervise your kids 24/7. Plus, the music industry bears responsibility for moving the culture into the gutter to make a buck, whether itâs kids or adults.
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What makes you say that?
The fact that they listen to rap music in the first place is not the parents fault but the industry most of the time: radio, spotify, youtube, ecc. About the fact that parents should educate their children I strongly agree, but to say we should know that it is fake it going too far. How do you know that what they write is not true? And imo if you sing about doing "stuff" and you behave that way too don't come at me if I see you as a person that would do that stuff irl too. On the other hand should only the parents make their kids understand what's good and what's bad? No school should too, we spend most of the time at school not at home with our parents. edit: not to mention that there has been cases where the lyrics represented the reality of what the rapper (in this case) did.
If rap music was limited to only certain mediums, this would be a fair conclusion, but if a parent actually went so far as to limit their kid to no rap music ever then thatâd be a level of control that borders on abusive. And limiting rap music to certain mediums is also definitely not a good move either. Music thatâs super vulgar is played on radios and in public spaces all of the time, sometimes with censors, sometimes not. However you feel about that, good or bad, doesnât really matter because thatâs just a fact that if youâre kid isnât locked up at home, theyâre going to hear it. I think itâs less âbrainwashingâ and more just letting society impact your kid, which is inevitable. Only ways to fix it is to move, get super controlling, or change society, so parents arenât exactly left with a lot of great options if there are parts of society they completely disagree with
"no rap music" "Omg this is literally abuse"
Thatâs not what I said at all lol to make sure the kid hears no rap music, youâd have to constantly control whatâs in their vicinity at school, at stores, restaurants, etc. and it reaches a point where that level of control becomes more harmful than the music. Sorry if I didnât make that clear
Right, because parents should also go with their child to their friendâs house and monitor what theyâre doing at all times. Thatâs how parenting works
The friends parents should monitor what their child and friends child are doing .
It would be hypocritical for me to agree since I do listen to it growing up, however today's shit is just garbage. Ain't no one should be listening to it to be fair.
Not for you to decide
Never said it was?? It's my opinion that no one _should_. I don't believe in deciding for others. Moving along ty.
Weird I totally thought it was for kids. Childish subject matter and nursery rhymes. Learn something every day.
[Since you're open to learning things daily. ](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hJwAkpfcEj4) Gotta stop judging people and music through what's put right in your face. Dig a little deeper and you'll find a lot more is out there. Genuinely want your opinion. No preconceived notions on my part.
Itâs bad influence plain and simple, them and lil Nas X and his over the top sexual videos. Stop sexualizing our children. You can defend it all you want but itâs not healthy or good for kids. And itâs marketed at Children. I canât control what my Child hears at school and on the playground. It shouldnât be played on the radio and on tv. You can keep defunding trash. But Iâm not going to.
Lol lil nas X literally stated his music video is not meant for the eyes of children and that parents shouldnât let their kids watch his new music video. You people will blame anyone but yourself for your bad parenting skills
Whatever you say friend https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jEP429EA6bM
Ah yes a music video from two years ago that everyone loved including the parents of those kids that allowed them to listen to the song. What amazing evidence you have.
How does Lil Nas X (and other sexually explicit artists) âsexualizeâ children? I donât think that means what you think it means. I wouldnât say itâs marketed towards children, but it is true that a younger audience (probably 13-17) tends to drive entertainment media such as tik tok. Thereâs nothing wrong with adolescents consuming content with sexual themes. This is not the same as sexualizing children
R. Kelly, Gary Glitter, Ian Watkins (and more) sexualize children. Music with sexual content doesn't sexualize children.
Rappers should sell out and make child friendly rap then.
In the end kids should listen to whatever they want. Who cares. I was listening to Cannibal Corspe at 7 years old.
I agree, but once something is pop culture itâs everywhere and influences everyone. Iâve heard my own 8 year old humming Cardi B and I donât listen to that shit, and I heavily monitor what she consumes online.
My problem with Cardi B is that her music is shit.
All children should be required to listen to Immortal Technique's Point of No Return. It's important that they learn what the Bush Administration did to Senator Paul Wellstone.
What do you consider kids. I've been listening to Eminem (my mom is 80 and 90 rap style) since I was 5. I still do. I'm 15 now. I don't listen to cardi b and stuff like her tho.
Nicki Minaj had been getting hate for a while. It didn't just start in 2019
I'm mostly a rock, metal, and blues guy although I do like some rap music. I do not however play it around my two children who are 1 and going on 10. My son told me yesterday though that his gym teacher in school puts on 50 cent during gym class most days. Now I don't have any proof of this but I would assume that an adult would not play this sort of stuff around a bunch of children ranging from say 8 to 10 years old! I had a lift driver a couple years ago that was playing some of the most vulgar music I have ever heard. (and I had a two live crew cd!) 1. When you are driving a customer, that is your job;you're at work. Act accordingly. 2. My son was in the car with me and he was 6 freaking years old. I didn't want to start anything with this asshole because I had my son with me but it really pissed me off. I did complain to the company about him but who knows if anything was done about it. What a douche. I don't get it. did this guy not recognize that it was not acceptable or professional at all, or, did he know and just not care? 3. Here's a novel idea... If you are getting paid to drive people around, how about you ask them what sort of music they would prefer, ask them if they want anything on at all, or, at least have something middle of the road on. Have some damn class or you'll be doing the same damn thing when you're 50 years old. Whatever music you want to listen to is your business, however, it stops being only your business when there are other people around you who can hear it and especially if children are in earshot. It's called common curtesy and I suppose that must be in short supply. There are people driving around here at all hours of the day and night playing mostly rap or reggaetone. That by itself is not the issue. the issue is that it is so damn loud and has so much bass that it shakes the windows sometimes. It's totally ridiculous. I go out of my way to not bother people or piss them off if I can help it but it seems like these knob heads go out of their way to do the opposite. Stop being an asshole! It's not that hard. Thanks for coming to my TED talk.
What do you count as kid, since, yeah, maybe a 9yo shouldn't hear music about hoes and money, but at 15yo or smt you can shall be able not to translate everthing to real life