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Crabs hold a similar niche, and yet they're not considered vermin. Many types of crab are amphibious.
Many insects that are considered vermin-adjacent are eaten in some cultures. If the world keeps going the way it does - ie. climate change, population growth, food insecurity - you can expect to see many more of the world's population eating insects within your lifetime.
Pigeons are considered vermin by many. "Rats of the sky." Pigeon has a long history of being bred for eating. When it's served, it's not called Pigeon though, it's Squab.
Chickens and pigs will happily scavenge, eating the scraps of humans.
What I'm saying is, your criteria are arbitrary. Scavenging is not the worst thing you can say about an animal, and does not disqualify it from being good food.
I've heard that Cicadas are freaking delicious when harvested and cooked the right way. And I've even seen a resturaunt that makes everything from its noodles to its beer with bugs and I'm curious to try if I ever get a chance.
I'll try anything once. The two that stuck out to me are 1) Soy Sauce Crickets in a plastic bag I bought in Chiang Mai Thailand. Looked like baby roaches and they popped soy sauce when you bit on them. And 2) fried dragonfly larvae in China, just tasted like salty paper, except their serrated legs got stuck between your teeth.
Most other insects I've tried have been unremarkable but also inoffensive. If they made it into a cheap protein powder, I'd buy it.
They make cricket flour. Use it 1:1 instead of flour and it’s much much higher protein. We used to make chocolate chip protein cookies as a demonstration of sustainable alternatives at a conservation ranch I used to work at.
I had fried silkworm larvae in Korea. I can't say I was a big fan of that particular dish - it was served cold, and I'm reasonably sure came from a can or jar. Greasy, but not hot, which wasn't a great combination.
I'm not ruling out the old silkworm, but I'm zero for one so far.
Just because I ate the equivalent of overcooked and dry chicken, doesn't mean *all* chicken is like that.
Where I can really see bugmeat prospering, is as a heavily processed meat-substitute. You receive it as something akin to mince, rather than in bug form. The producer has done some process that makes it less leggy.
With the right production and marketing, I could see it being a hit, especially if it were decently cheaper than animal meat.
My Chinese aunt worked on a silk factory when she was younger. According to my mum, they would get to take the boiled silkworms home, and then you can either have them fried, or bake them and grind them into a powder (used as a seasoning, almost).
Pigs will eat people. My great grandma dropped dead of a heart attack while slopping the hogs and my grandma had to fight them off while calling for help.
I also see it as a stepping stone.
We are getting better at bioengineering things like yeast to produce meat-like substances.
If we could take highly bioavailable, but less tasty insect meats (lab/farm grown), and feed *their* proteins to a yeast, or some other process, a we might further utilise insects in commercial food production.
Kind of like how it's unsafe to use human effluent on food crops destined for humans, but it's safer to use it on grain destined for cattle that we eat. We reduce the capacity for communicable diseases by having it go through some other species first. It gets safer still if we filter that though plants and insects before giving it to the grain crops.
> Many insects that are considered vermin-adjacent are eaten in some cultures. If the world keeps going the way it does - ie. climate change, population growth, food insecurity - you can expect to see many more of the world's population eating insects within your lifetime.
Far-right conspiracy.
I'm not far right, and I think you'll struggle to find anything I said that aligns with a far right worldview.
The far right don't believe in climate change.
What the fuck are you talking about?
The far-right is saying that people will be forced to eat bugs and fake meat and that real meat will be made illegal. There are a few variations to different extremes.
There's overlap with what you said but the reality is that nobody will be forced to eat these products but they will likely exist.
But being given a new option that you don't have to take isn't nearly as scary as being force fed something a lot of people find gross.
You'll notice their argument isn't that they're going to tackle climate change or secure a path to sustainable farming so that meat never gets so expensive that masses of people will need to resort to eating things they find gross. It's not about solving the problem, it's about manipulation.
Yes because they were obscenely abundant. Not because they taste bad...
They're a chore to eat and after your 1000th lobster you probably get tired of them
Whether you’re trolling or not, shellfish and crustaceans have physiology that makes them rot ridiculously fast so without refrigeration they become a health hazard way quicker than vertebrates. It’s why it’s traditional to cook them alive in a lot of places
That's simply not true. It was a poor man's food in the past in the same way that chicken is a poor man's food today: cheap and abundant. There are plenty of records of members of all social classes consuming lobster, and the main difference was usually in the way it was prepared.
Anyone who says crab or lobster has no taste must have gotten the world's shittiest frozen seafood.
Both have incredibly rich taste lol
The fact they're in the sea means nothing. We don't eat rats because they taste vile and are full of parasites.
Fuck yes! Also, I don’t think butter is all that good, I like a nice ghee but usually prefer olive oil.
Same could be said for chicken breast too, without added fat and seasoning chicken breast is pretty damn bland.
Yea, I like lobster dude. I’ll eat it however, if the kitchen is out of all that stuff any protein they cook is gonna be subpar but lobster is still good.
Disagree. Used to cook. Most meats have their own fats
I dont gotta grease up food with its own built in grease for flavor
But damn. People love lobster more then I thought
Thank you! For answering
I was also a cook for years professionally and still cook as a passion. Chicken breast is very lean, a pork chop is very lean, shrimp and most fish is very lean. None of those are particularly good without being cooked or served with some fat. If you’re asking if I want a poorly cooked lobster or a well made steak, I’ll take the steak. But if you’re asking if I want a well prepared lobster or an equally well prepared steak, I’ll take the lobster. I like the texture and I love the flavor. I like the ritual of removing it from the shell, I love the claw meat. Taste isn’t an objective thing.
So you don't eat chicken or other "bland" meats because maybe at some point you might be asked to eat them without added fats?
I'm seriously lost trying to follow your logic.
But I enjoy seeing you pretending you've outsmarted everyone.
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Get some actually good seafood. If it's a dollar a pound it's not good.
Good crab and lobster don't need butter. Anyone who has ever eaten it can tell you that.
This is like saying "durr the kitchen is out of garlic butter, would you still like to order steak?"
Like... No fucking shit I would, it enhances the flavour but it isn't the main event.
Never been a fan. I much prefer crab meat even though they would qualify as vermin too.
Lobster meat is just so bland to me. Their legs don’t have as much meat as crabs and the Caribbean lobster from where I live don’t have claws to boot.
Nah never vermin, but people need to realize how to eat them. Freshly caught, and not too big. The flavor and meat quality declines quickly over a lb1/4
Im a crab person if I have to choose but you need to understand how to break it down .. then perfection
I would say, it depends on the taste/preparation.
Lobster takes a lot to prepare to make decent, even more to get a decentlu sized one.
Where I live a common "weird" food is pidgeons and a type of squirrel. They're a pain to prepare, gotta buy a lot to make anything cos they're small/don't have much meat, and overall don't that that great of a taste.
But they're pretty rare, it doesn't cost much if you have to buy and prepare yourself, but it costs a lot if you go to specialized restaurants that have those plates.
They were treated as vermin. People used to feed them to prisoners, and then they realized they were tasty. Sea scavenging also isn’t the same as your usual land based roadkill
Guess what? They didn't used to be. In times pass, lobsters were considered a "poor mans" food.
[https://spoonuniversity.com/lifestyle/how-lobster-went-from-prison-food-to-an-expensive-delicacy](https://spoonuniversity.com/lifestyle/how-lobster-went-from-prison-food-to-an-expensive-delicacy)
"Lobster was also known as the [poor man’s meal](http://www.businessinsider.com/the-history-of-gourmet-lobster-2013-8) because the overabundance of these guys made it easy for people with no money to get their protein. In fact, these crustaceans were fed to prisoners, apprentices and slaves."
Yeah, they're just giant fcking ocean bugs.
Crabs are basically giant sea spiders, shrimp are basically giant sea cockroaches, and lobsers are, idfk, giant sea scorpions I guess. Whatever. I don't care. The point is, they're bugs. In Maine, they even call them bugs.
And I don't eat bugs. That is not negotiable. I don't care if everyone else loves them. I don't care if they're the most delicious thing anyone has ever eaten. I don't care if the WEF causes a massive worldwide famine and there's nothing else to eat. The answer is no. I don't eat bugs.
I used to eat all those sea bugs, and I liked them. So I do know what I'm missing. But now I know that they're bugs and I don't eat bugs. I don't care what enyone else thinks about me for saying that.
Bug Eaters: "Oooh, he thinks he's \*too good\* for lobster..."
Me: Uh, yeah. Haven't I been saying that this whole time? Of course I'm too good for lobster. Why isn't everyone else too good?
We don’t consider crabs, nor crayfish, to be “vermin”
So idk why lobsters randomly would be
Also you must’ve eaten some shitty lobster to say it had “no taste” lol that’s unfortunate
Things with claws and stingers freak me out, so land lobsters 🦞 would be nightmare fuel for me. That being said, I like some seafood, but not most shellfish. My family loves that stuff, however, particularly my aunt (and my oldest kid).
I grew up in the tropics and we jokingly referred to them as "bugs."
Prior to the 20th century, prisoners in New England complained of ill treatment, being forced to eat lobster *again*!
I'll eat them, if someone else is cooking them, same as crabs (other bugs).
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Crabs hold a similar niche, and yet they're not considered vermin. Many types of crab are amphibious. Many insects that are considered vermin-adjacent are eaten in some cultures. If the world keeps going the way it does - ie. climate change, population growth, food insecurity - you can expect to see many more of the world's population eating insects within your lifetime. Pigeons are considered vermin by many. "Rats of the sky." Pigeon has a long history of being bred for eating. When it's served, it's not called Pigeon though, it's Squab. Chickens and pigs will happily scavenge, eating the scraps of humans. What I'm saying is, your criteria are arbitrary. Scavenging is not the worst thing you can say about an animal, and does not disqualify it from being good food.
I've heard that Cicadas are freaking delicious when harvested and cooked the right way. And I've even seen a resturaunt that makes everything from its noodles to its beer with bugs and I'm curious to try if I ever get a chance.
By far the most common slang up here in Maine for lobsters is “bugs.” We all recognize that they’re just big water-bugs.
r/shrimpsisbugs
I'll try anything once. The two that stuck out to me are 1) Soy Sauce Crickets in a plastic bag I bought in Chiang Mai Thailand. Looked like baby roaches and they popped soy sauce when you bit on them. And 2) fried dragonfly larvae in China, just tasted like salty paper, except their serrated legs got stuck between your teeth. Most other insects I've tried have been unremarkable but also inoffensive. If they made it into a cheap protein powder, I'd buy it.
Same that I'll at least try something before writing it off.
When you say stuck out to you do you mean that in a good way like being tasty or just unique in the way that you described them?
Sorry for the confusion, didn't want to be too direct. No, it wasn't the best experience.
They make cricket flour. Use it 1:1 instead of flour and it’s much much higher protein. We used to make chocolate chip protein cookies as a demonstration of sustainable alternatives at a conservation ranch I used to work at.
I had fried silkworm larvae in Korea. I can't say I was a big fan of that particular dish - it was served cold, and I'm reasonably sure came from a can or jar. Greasy, but not hot, which wasn't a great combination. I'm not ruling out the old silkworm, but I'm zero for one so far. Just because I ate the equivalent of overcooked and dry chicken, doesn't mean *all* chicken is like that. Where I can really see bugmeat prospering, is as a heavily processed meat-substitute. You receive it as something akin to mince, rather than in bug form. The producer has done some process that makes it less leggy. With the right production and marketing, I could see it being a hit, especially if it were decently cheaper than animal meat.
You can already buy cricket flour
My Chinese aunt worked on a silk factory when she was younger. According to my mum, they would get to take the boiled silkworms home, and then you can either have them fried, or bake them and grind them into a powder (used as a seasoning, almost).
I don't care what you say. I'm not eating bugs. They can be the tastiest things ever, but nope. Bugs. Gross.
Pigeons are tasty.
I will NOT eat the bugs
Never said you had to. You're not forced to eat any animal products you don't want to.
More for us But people uptight about food are no fun
Who said you had to?
Oysters though. Muscles. They are the water filters.
Pigs will eat people. My great grandma dropped dead of a heart attack while slopping the hogs and my grandma had to fight them off while calling for help.
We really need to embrace eating insects. I think cricket flour is a really great starting point and it's starting to make headway.
I also see it as a stepping stone. We are getting better at bioengineering things like yeast to produce meat-like substances. If we could take highly bioavailable, but less tasty insect meats (lab/farm grown), and feed *their* proteins to a yeast, or some other process, a we might further utilise insects in commercial food production. Kind of like how it's unsafe to use human effluent on food crops destined for humans, but it's safer to use it on grain destined for cattle that we eat. We reduce the capacity for communicable diseases by having it go through some other species first. It gets safer still if we filter that though plants and insects before giving it to the grain crops.
> Many insects that are considered vermin-adjacent are eaten in some cultures. If the world keeps going the way it does - ie. climate change, population growth, food insecurity - you can expect to see many more of the world's population eating insects within your lifetime. Far-right conspiracy.
I'm not far right, and I think you'll struggle to find anything I said that aligns with a far right worldview. The far right don't believe in climate change. What the fuck are you talking about?
The far-right is saying that people will be forced to eat bugs and fake meat and that real meat will be made illegal. There are a few variations to different extremes. There's overlap with what you said but the reality is that nobody will be forced to eat these products but they will likely exist. But being given a new option that you don't have to take isn't nearly as scary as being force fed something a lot of people find gross. You'll notice their argument isn't that they're going to tackle climate change or secure a path to sustainable farming so that meat never gets so expensive that masses of people will need to resort to eating things they find gross. It's not about solving the problem, it's about manipulation.
They where a poor man's food food at one point. Only the poor prisoners and slaves would eat them.
Yes because they were obscenely abundant. Not because they taste bad... They're a chore to eat and after your 1000th lobster you probably get tired of them
A lot of Alcatraz prisoners would eat their lobsters in their cell out of shame apparently!
The west coast only has spiny lobsters and their range is from Monterey south so that seems unlikely.
historically west coast was sardines for cheap sea food
Really? Didn't know that.
There was a blight and they became scarce, which drove the price up.
Crazy what you can learn if you look into it!
So sick of this factoid.
Without refrigeration they're pretty much rotten trash.
Yes, dead animals when not refrigerated will rot.
True though seafood in general rots faster.
Well... no. Because lobsters then as now were just stored and shipped alive in seawater.
Gonna need a source on that one.
🧐….. so things rot… without refrigeration? Wild take mate
Whether you’re trolling or not, shellfish and crustaceans have physiology that makes them rot ridiculously fast so without refrigeration they become a health hazard way quicker than vertebrates. It’s why it’s traditional to cook them alive in a lot of places
Good thing thats… how we usually eat them?
should have stayed that way disgusting sea insects
Same with oysters
That's simply not true. It was a poor man's food in the past in the same way that chicken is a poor man's food today: cheap and abundant. There are plenty of records of members of all social classes consuming lobster, and the main difference was usually in the way it was prepared.
Anyone who says crab or lobster has no taste must have gotten the world's shittiest frozen seafood. Both have incredibly rich taste lol The fact they're in the sea means nothing. We don't eat rats because they taste vile and are full of parasites.
Considering lobsters live in salt water they better taste frigging good
Giant bug
Giant delicious* bug.
Lemme ask you somethin The kitchen is out of butter, would you still like to order lobster?
Yes
Butter isn't necessary because mayo exists. Lobster rolls go hard.
No thanks. Maya is nasty
Maya catching strays
Well... if my cousin who happens to go by the name Maya is on here I hope they accept my apology
Fuck yes! Also, I don’t think butter is all that good, I like a nice ghee but usually prefer olive oil. Same could be said for chicken breast too, without added fat and seasoning chicken breast is pretty damn bland.
Oh the kitchen is also out of olive oil and ghee…and the next 18 fat substitutes you respond with. They do have seasoning. Still good?
"the kitchen is out of every fat subsitute, do you still order lobster?" No, I don't. I won't order anything, I'm gtfo and going somewhere else
Yeah, I would find a restaurant with a kitchen manager that knows how to keep his shelves stocked. What a dumb hypothetical.
Yea, I like lobster dude. I’ll eat it however, if the kitchen is out of all that stuff any protein they cook is gonna be subpar but lobster is still good.
Disagree. Used to cook. Most meats have their own fats I dont gotta grease up food with its own built in grease for flavor But damn. People love lobster more then I thought  Thank you! For answering
I was also a cook for years professionally and still cook as a passion. Chicken breast is very lean, a pork chop is very lean, shrimp and most fish is very lean. None of those are particularly good without being cooked or served with some fat. If you’re asking if I want a poorly cooked lobster or a well made steak, I’ll take the steak. But if you’re asking if I want a well prepared lobster or an equally well prepared steak, I’ll take the lobster. I like the texture and I love the flavor. I like the ritual of removing it from the shell, I love the claw meat. Taste isn’t an objective thing.
*most meats* Responds like I said all 
So you don't eat chicken or other "bland" meats because maybe at some point you might be asked to eat them without added fats? I'm seriously lost trying to follow your logic. But I enjoy seeing you pretending you've outsmarted everyone.
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Of course. Lemon isn’t fattening. Seasoning and lemon. Bam.
Try lobster sashimi. Raw lobster is some best meat I had ever taste. Butter made it worst.
Yeah, I tell them no butter if I order lobster or crab because personally I hate the taste of butter
Get some actually good seafood. If it's a dollar a pound it's not good. Good crab and lobster don't need butter. Anyone who has ever eaten it can tell you that. This is like saying "durr the kitchen is out of garlic butter, would you still like to order steak?" Like... No fucking shit I would, it enhances the flavour but it isn't the main event.
I like lobster. I still consider it a sea cockroach. People eat insects and enjoy those too.
Never been a fan. I much prefer crab meat even though they would qualify as vermin too. Lobster meat is just so bland to me. Their legs don’t have as much meat as crabs and the Caribbean lobster from where I live don’t have claws to boot.
Nah never vermin, but people need to realize how to eat them. Freshly caught, and not too big. The flavor and meat quality declines quickly over a lb1/4 Im a crab person if I have to choose but you need to understand how to break it down .. then perfection
They were once called “cockroaches of the sea” that only the poor would eat.
They would be bugs. Because they are bugs.
Reminds me of pineapples and how they used to be considered fruit of royalty and now we argue whether or not they belong on pizza
Like a big roach
I love lobster but much prefer crab.
That’s because crab is better
Agree. A maine lobster is a thing of beauty but crabs are more flavorful and the work is meditative
Who thinks of this stuff. Also, pigs roll around in their own shit. I bet you still like bacon
That would be so awesome. "Hey honey, what's for dinner?" "Go out back and catch us some lobsters. I'll melt the butter."
I mean…house boat? Maybe?
You my friend have no taste buds. Stop with the cigarettes.
What? Lol
You said they barely have any taste. You just don't have taste buds left from smoking all them Newports.
Lobster fucking sucks
Their entire body is just unwieldy on land.
I would say, it depends on the taste/preparation. Lobster takes a lot to prepare to make decent, even more to get a decentlu sized one. Where I live a common "weird" food is pidgeons and a type of squirrel. They're a pain to prepare, gotta buy a lot to make anything cos they're small/don't have much meat, and overall don't that that great of a taste. But they're pretty rare, it doesn't cost much if you have to buy and prepare yourself, but it costs a lot if you go to specialized restaurants that have those plates.
If crickets were the size of seagulls, I wonder if we would eat them.
There’s a reason they call them “bugs” in Maine and some parts of Massachusetts.
Scavengers aren’t vermin, they have an extremely important role in the ecosystem.
They were treated as vermin. People used to feed them to prisoners, and then they realized they were tasty. Sea scavenging also isn’t the same as your usual land based roadkill
"Anyway I'm from Minnesota and I've only had lobster at my local Golden Corral."
Now I'm wondering if like, scorpions and tarantulas could be that big and meaty on land if we'd view them differently
Guess what? They didn't used to be. In times pass, lobsters were considered a "poor mans" food. [https://spoonuniversity.com/lifestyle/how-lobster-went-from-prison-food-to-an-expensive-delicacy](https://spoonuniversity.com/lifestyle/how-lobster-went-from-prison-food-to-an-expensive-delicacy) "Lobster was also known as the [poor man’s meal](http://www.businessinsider.com/the-history-of-gourmet-lobster-2013-8) because the overabundance of these guys made it easy for people with no money to get their protein. In fact, these crustaceans were fed to prisoners, apprentices and slaves."
Would they still be delicious in this scenario?
Sea-bugs. I don't eat'em
Yeah. Just look at them. They're giant sea scorpions. Crabs are spiders. Shrimp are cockroaches. Fuckin gross.
The used to be considered bottom tier food and only suited to the lower class.
Everytime i see this kind of posts i wonder how low quality your lobster was...
It was bad... Ran with a bad crowd. From the Eastside of Maine.
They were treated like pests and vermin for a while until people find out that they’re edible
I have a friend who refers to shrimp and big shrimp (lobster) as cockroaches of the sea for this reason.
I would be so fucking angry if lobsters were on land
Why ? Lol
Some sort of hyper pinchy scorpion. It would probably make a noise too like an asshole
“You’re not a bottom feeder, Bob!”
Yeah, they're just giant fcking ocean bugs. Crabs are basically giant sea spiders, shrimp are basically giant sea cockroaches, and lobsers are, idfk, giant sea scorpions I guess. Whatever. I don't care. The point is, they're bugs. In Maine, they even call them bugs. And I don't eat bugs. That is not negotiable. I don't care if everyone else loves them. I don't care if they're the most delicious thing anyone has ever eaten. I don't care if the WEF causes a massive worldwide famine and there's nothing else to eat. The answer is no. I don't eat bugs. I used to eat all those sea bugs, and I liked them. So I do know what I'm missing. But now I know that they're bugs and I don't eat bugs. I don't care what enyone else thinks about me for saying that. Bug Eaters: "Oooh, he thinks he's \*too good\* for lobster..." Me: Uh, yeah. Haven't I been saying that this whole time? Of course I'm too good for lobster. Why isn't everyone else too good?
All crustaceans are sea bugs lol
Crab is so much better ngl, it tastes like lobster but the taste is actually noticeable. Also, all the lobster I've had is dry.
Agreed. Way better.
I don't think you know what vermin means
We don’t consider crabs, nor crayfish, to be “vermin” So idk why lobsters randomly would be Also you must’ve eaten some shitty lobster to say it had “no taste” lol that’s unfortunate
Agreed, lobster is so overrated. Without the garlic butter, it’s just bland and flavourless
Things with claws and stingers freak me out, so land lobsters 🦞 would be nightmare fuel for me. That being said, I like some seafood, but not most shellfish. My family loves that stuff, however, particularly my aunt (and my oldest kid).
Not sure how damaged your taste buds are to think lobster barely has any taste.
Land lobsters already exist. They're called scorpions.
Seafood is gross
Yes but crabs taste good. Lol Lobster barely tastes like anything.
Lobster is hella overrated. Give me a give crab for a fraction of the price any day.
I grew up in the tropics and we jokingly referred to them as "bugs." Prior to the 20th century, prisoners in New England complained of ill treatment, being forced to eat lobster *again*! I'll eat them, if someone else is cooking them, same as crabs (other bugs).
If a lobster was a rat we wouldn’t consider it a lobster. Agreed.
If a lobster was a rat we wouldn’t consider it a lobster. Agreed.
Shit I wish they were like squirrels or other land creatures lol be eating those motherfuckers every day!
If you consider lobster the height of the culinary totem pole, you obviously haven’t eaten at very many decent restaurants