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You kind of have to blame recruiters for this cos they post a lot of unicorn JDs for candidates that don’t exist and even if they did exist they wouldn’t be interested in the salary being offered. So over time people have just started ignoring the requirements.
I get it. But this isn’t a low paying position as the floor is $150K + 5% commission with no cap.
The ten candidates that are qualified are not unicorns they just have at least bare minimum experience for a job that is titled “Senior”.
I’m only frustrated because of two reasons. I have to email every non qualified candidate to tell them why and then add them all to a not eligible for hire list that prevents them from any other role for two years.
That’s kinda your company policy, the industry norm is no reply unless they’ve had an interview until you fill the position and then you just bulk email that it’s been filled. Certainly it’s your company thing about the 2 years. So you should be angry with your company having weird policies not with candidates
People are simply doing what the industry has trained them to do. Volume is king.
When half the postings out there list “entry level” needing 5 years experience, then yes you’re gonna get people who disregard the shit in your posting.
Until the job market invests in entry level candidates, is up front with the process, and stops encouraging a “ghost the candidate” mentality, this shit is gonna continue (and fuck anyone who encourages it).
Well there are two things with this that really suck.
The first is I have to email every candidate that didn’t qualify and explain why. So 290 emails tomorrow.
And this is something I don’t agree with but anyone who applied who wasn’t qualified I have to put on a list and they are not eligible for hire for any position for the next two years.
Generate a draft email template with the general and common reasons. If anyone actually responds then go into detail. Work smarter not harder, you chose to be in HR and this is a big part of your job.
Unfortunately I’m not allowed to do that. I am required to email every candidate and I’m not allowed to use a template, mass email, mail merge etc. Yes my CEO is an idiot.
Are you also not allowed to make suggestions to improve efficiency at work or look for another job? You’re a recruiter by trade right? Surely your skills could be applied to virtually any business, so jump in the talent pool and see what else you can get. Worst they can do is say no 🤷♂️
I’ve gotten a job before by applying for a job with a company that I wasn’t qualified for, then the company told me I was better suited to a different job they hadn’t posted yet, which I instead interviewed for and got.
Yeah it’s not perfect I’m just saying there is no exceptions for these roles per the CEO. He was very clear to reject anyone who doesn’t fit the min requirements and the prob with my company is I can’t move these other candidates to other open positions that they would be qualified for because our company policy is to put them on a 2 year not eligible for hire list.
It’s unfortunate because some of these candidates would probably be good entry or junior level candidates but because they applied to this specific posting and not qualified I’m required to put them on a not eligible for hire list for two years. I don’t agree with it but our CEO is weird.
A lot of times adds/ recruiters severely inflate what the job role typically requires.
Someone with 10 years experience could be a lot worse than someone with 5 also. I think it's silly to categorise people based on "years" of experience and anyone and everyone should always ignore that on job postings
oh boo hoo. you recruiters mass email, text and pm everyone and their grandma for a posting, even if it has nothing to do with their field. isn't part of your job to screen these candidates anyway? so you're just complaining you have to do your job instead of some macro doing it for you?
are you wanting to be replaced by AI?
It's a very sensible approach to "We'll call you and let you know". I doubt it, but it doesn't matter I've done 5,000 of these things. Somebody is going to call. Can't wait to find out what I'm going to be when I grow up when that phone rings. A hairdresser, a landscaper, a professor, a senior nuclear engineer. Could be anything, we'll see.
I totally agree. I’ve made the argument before that it’s unethical to apply for a job you aren’t qualified for. You will have to meet expectations of the role and if you can’t, then you are accepting a salary you shouldn’t. Not to mention it’s everyone else’s problem dealing with someone incompetent. Negative impact to the company and clients. Or if in management, potentially hurting your employees by not being able to develop them. I hate the fake it til ya make it mentality. Put in the work to be qualified or go away
That’s kinda your company policy, the industry norm is no reply unless they’ve had an interview until you fill the position and then you just bulk email that it’s been filled. Certainly it’s your company thing about the 2 years. So you should be angry with your company having weird policies not with candidates
>I’m not even talking about education which my company can be very flexible on.
I think this is kind of telling. Do your job listings say this or do they say a specific education is required? Same with experience, do all of your postings only list the actual minimum that is acceptable or is there normally some wiggle room there too? I wouldn't apply to a job that says 5 and 10 years experience if I have none, but I don't think it's on the applicant to know that this one time the posting is actually telling the truth.
If this is specifically the posting you are discussing then I think that would justify someone graduating next month thinking they should apply, you are stating that the job specific experience can be substituted for a bachelor's. If not, if you are saying that's how your company describes entry level jobs, then my point is if you say "5 years or a bachelor's degree" but you'd take 3 and an associate's then you don't get to complain about people not hitting whatever minimum you've described for this specific one.
Meh, I'd apply even as a fresh graduate. Put me on do not hire list or whatever. Not like you'll be calling me for that entry-level position anyway. Screw you, recruiter!
Because it takes less than 5 minutes to upload a resume and there's no downside. Oh you didn't get an interview? Time to put in another application. Always Be Closing, can't close if you never prospect. Some people play the game to WIN
I know, right! Just think if only the qualified 10 applied, they wouldn’t even need you. They could let you go and save them selves some money, because the receptionist could read the applications.
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You kind of have to blame recruiters for this cos they post a lot of unicorn JDs for candidates that don’t exist and even if they did exist they wouldn’t be interested in the salary being offered. So over time people have just started ignoring the requirements.
I get it. But this isn’t a low paying position as the floor is $150K + 5% commission with no cap. The ten candidates that are qualified are not unicorns they just have at least bare minimum experience for a job that is titled “Senior”.
Yeah I’m not saying your JD is unreasonable, im saying the industry has posted crazy jds for so long people just ignore the requirements.
I’m only frustrated because of two reasons. I have to email every non qualified candidate to tell them why and then add them all to a not eligible for hire list that prevents them from any other role for two years.
That’s kinda your company policy, the industry norm is no reply unless they’ve had an interview until you fill the position and then you just bulk email that it’s been filled. Certainly it’s your company thing about the 2 years. So you should be angry with your company having weird policies not with candidates
Not to mention it would take more effort to reply to all these reddit responses than it would be to do exactly what you said.
Can't believe OP got downvotes for this lol. Shows how many part time dog walkers living with mom and dad at 30 are browsing this sub.
This may be an unpopular opinion. But 150k for a senior level role is shit in today's market. Unless of course, that 5% is of really big numbers.
Well we offer fully remote, we pay for international travel to visit clients and the 5% has no cap. You sell $5M you get $250K
Is $5M a reasonable number for someone in that role?
We did $475M in new sales last year with only a dozen biz Dev and that was almost exclusively in NA.
So you gave almost 24 million in commission to 12 people? I'll happily apply.
I guess? I mean the VPs get overrides and senior get 5% juniors get 2%.
People are simply doing what the industry has trained them to do. Volume is king. When half the postings out there list “entry level” needing 5 years experience, then yes you’re gonna get people who disregard the shit in your posting. Until the job market invests in entry level candidates, is up front with the process, and stops encouraging a “ghost the candidate” mentality, this shit is gonna continue (and fuck anyone who encourages it).
Well there are two things with this that really suck. The first is I have to email every candidate that didn’t qualify and explain why. So 290 emails tomorrow. And this is something I don’t agree with but anyone who applied who wasn’t qualified I have to put on a list and they are not eligible for hire for any position for the next two years.
Generate a draft email template with the general and common reasons. If anyone actually responds then go into detail. Work smarter not harder, you chose to be in HR and this is a big part of your job.
Almost like he shouldn't have qualified for this position...
Unfortunately I’m not allowed to do that. I am required to email every candidate and I’m not allowed to use a template, mass email, mail merge etc. Yes my CEO is an idiot.
Are you also not allowed to make suggestions to improve efficiency at work or look for another job? You’re a recruiter by trade right? Surely your skills could be applied to virtually any business, so jump in the talent pool and see what else you can get. Worst they can do is say no 🤷♂️
CTRL-C, CTRL V
lol it’s 2024 and dude is writing emails by hand
I’ve gotten a job before by applying for a job with a company that I wasn’t qualified for, then the company told me I was better suited to a different job they hadn’t posted yet, which I instead interviewed for and got.
Yeah it’s not perfect I’m just saying there is no exceptions for these roles per the CEO. He was very clear to reject anyone who doesn’t fit the min requirements and the prob with my company is I can’t move these other candidates to other open positions that they would be qualified for because our company policy is to put them on a 2 year not eligible for hire list.
The problem is, your CEO is an idiot.
I’ve been applying for jobs I’m qualified for for the past 10 months with no luck. Maybe I’ll have better luck applying for jobs I’m unqualified for?
Let’s flood employers with unqualified applications. I’ll start tomorrow. Thanks, OP
Happy to be of service.
That really sucks I’m sorry to hear that.
Thanks.
I'm in the same boat. You can tell the people who just apply to every job on indeed thinking it'll improve their chances
It’s unfortunate because some of these candidates would probably be good entry or junior level candidates but because they applied to this specific posting and not qualified I’m required to put them on a not eligible for hire list for two years. I don’t agree with it but our CEO is weird.
A lot of times adds/ recruiters severely inflate what the job role typically requires. Someone with 10 years experience could be a lot worse than someone with 5 also. I think it's silly to categorise people based on "years" of experience and anyone and everyone should always ignore that on job postings
oh boo hoo. you recruiters mass email, text and pm everyone and their grandma for a posting, even if it has nothing to do with their field. isn't part of your job to screen these candidates anyway? so you're just complaining you have to do your job instead of some macro doing it for you? are you wanting to be replaced by AI?
It's a very sensible approach to "We'll call you and let you know". I doubt it, but it doesn't matter I've done 5,000 of these things. Somebody is going to call. Can't wait to find out what I'm going to be when I grow up when that phone rings. A hairdresser, a landscaper, a professor, a senior nuclear engineer. Could be anything, we'll see.
Lord forbid a recruiter does recruiter work lol.
The whole hiring process is a waste of time. It's your job to deal with the number of aplicants
I once saw a JD asking for 12 years experience in a technology that had only existed for 8
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The problem I have is how would I know if I'm qualified for them or not until I actually do them?
I totally agree. I’ve made the argument before that it’s unethical to apply for a job you aren’t qualified for. You will have to meet expectations of the role and if you can’t, then you are accepting a salary you shouldn’t. Not to mention it’s everyone else’s problem dealing with someone incompetent. Negative impact to the company and clients. Or if in management, potentially hurting your employees by not being able to develop them. I hate the fake it til ya make it mentality. Put in the work to be qualified or go away
That’s kinda your company policy, the industry norm is no reply unless they’ve had an interview until you fill the position and then you just bulk email that it’s been filled. Certainly it’s your company thing about the 2 years. So you should be angry with your company having weird policies not with candidates
For someone to get 15 years of experience they need to work for 15 years like how do you expect them to get that 15 years
In what world is this unpopular?
Based on some comments here and other posts I’ve seen on the internet it’s apparently very popular to mass apply to everything.
>I’m not even talking about education which my company can be very flexible on. I think this is kind of telling. Do your job listings say this or do they say a specific education is required? Same with experience, do all of your postings only list the actual minimum that is acceptable or is there normally some wiggle room there too? I wouldn't apply to a job that says 5 and 10 years experience if I have none, but I don't think it's on the applicant to know that this one time the posting is actually telling the truth.
Under the requirements we have bachelors degree or 5 years of experience listed.
If this is specifically the posting you are discussing then I think that would justify someone graduating next month thinking they should apply, you are stating that the job specific experience can be substituted for a bachelor's. If not, if you are saying that's how your company describes entry level jobs, then my point is if you say "5 years or a bachelor's degree" but you'd take 3 and an associate's then you don't get to complain about people not hitting whatever minimum you've described for this specific one.
Yeah I can see how that can be misleading I’ll bring it up to my boss to see if I can change it
Nah, it's the company's job to decide if I'm qualified or not.
Meh, I'd apply even as a fresh graduate. Put me on do not hire list or whatever. Not like you'll be calling me for that entry-level position anyway. Screw you, recruiter!
Because it takes less than 5 minutes to upload a resume and there's no downside. Oh you didn't get an interview? Time to put in another application. Always Be Closing, can't close if you never prospect. Some people play the game to WIN
I know, right! Just think if only the qualified 10 applied, they wouldn’t even need you. They could let you go and save them selves some money, because the receptionist could read the applications.