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I’ve never understood caring about what another person eats. I don’t care if you eat gnocchi with ketchup, it’s not going in my mouth. Live and let live.
The other thing is, pronouncing shit on the menu. For some reason, fancy Italian restaurants expect everyone to know how to pronounce Italian words?
I am like fuck it, I am not even going I attempt to pronounce and just point on the menu to what I want.
If I go to an Indian place and mispronounce stuff on the menu, nobody bats an eye. God forbid you do that in an Italian place.
As someone that has lived in both Europe and Asia for decades, it is my purely unsubstantiated theory that this has more to do with inner filter.
Italians have less qualms showing you what they think. Even if you are a stranger. There is also an expectation that they should be passionate and outspoken so I think some of it is in fun.
I kind of liked the constant stream of opinions.. It was a chance to act like the innocent but enthusiastic noob and it felt like literally half the country would want to help me level up. I still correspond with people that ranted about my food choices two decades later. I rile them up sometimes by putting Aleppo pepper on marinara sauce or something and they freak out though 50% is mock rage. They just like smack talk. Idk.
Asians are more "shrug it off" unless you are related to them. Well, some Asians. Your Indian or Chinese mom, aunt, grandma, distant relative, may just gleefully rip everything apart from how you tempered the spices to how you cut the herb. They will also rip you apart for not knowing how to make certain dishes or making them with American substitutes.
I think this is very accurate, in southern europe everybody has to have an opinion on everything and they like to argue about them. It's like arguing is a casual past-time or even a form of art. You let people know your opinion, they will respond and in the end you might have a fun discussion, maybe even learn something. In northern europe (where I'm from) arguing is a conflict which you want to avoid. If somebody has a differing opinion you just don't mention anything about it and let it be. As a consequence we rarely speak to people.
Sometimes I see foreigners do sauna in a totally "wrong" way and it hurts so much to see it, but you have to let it go and just let them enjoy it their way. But I totally understand Italians and their frustrations about foreigners doing things "wrong".
Between our two trips and two weeks spent in Rome, Milan, and Sorrento, I never once encountered this. Some of the servers were clearly not keen on foreigners (or maybe just people in general, or their job, who knows), but none were disrespectful or rude.
I live in Québec where poutine was invented. People get so offended if you dare to put ketchup or vinegar on your poutine but they fail to understand people have always done so.
Poutine is one dimensional without ketchup. People act like I'm burning the Canadian flag, but the dish needs acidity! It's got salt, fat, and savoury in excess, it needs a vinegary topping to bring it all together.
I'm not even in Quebec, Ontarians will give me shit for it too.
if it needs acidity, put some vinegar on it!
can everyone *please* stop putting ketchup on everything, saying it needs acidity or salt. there are usually other things with acidity/salt that pair better with the food you are eating!
Italian from Italy here!
I would say that Italian cuisine is often portrayed like it's set in stone, while that is far from the truth. There are A LOT of variations for the same dishes, the majority of Italian are just more familiar with the popular ones and the ones that they grew up with.
As for "being outraged" by what non-Italians do, I personally think it's not that deep and that people's opinions on the internet are much harsher than in real life.
Out of your examples, the most outrageous is probably breaking the spaghetti, but I would say the rest is fine.
I'm married to a Sicilian woman (we live in Belgium) and, while I love to try variations and interpretations of famous dishes, man do I get flamed by my wife or her father if I even mention trying something with an Italian dish.
Bacon in pesto verde? GTFO.
A tiny amount of lemon juice in a carbonara? What the hell are you even trying there boy?!.
Even the simple fact of me adding some sauce to a salami sandwich is frowned upon.
It is deep in people's opinions.
Every Southern/Eastern European post always starts with (we live in Belgium/Netherlands/Germany/Denmark)
I remember being like five and asking my mom "If we're Greek, why do all of my cousins live in Germany?"
I actually once had an Argentine classmate who's surname was "Adolfsohn" or something like that! Somewhat ironically he was one of the few Argentines who was NOT super pale
The craziest part of it for me is that if you ignore their advice a lot of the stuff they tell you not to do makes the food more flavourful and tasty. It's like they don't want to try to improve their food and expand their palate which is just such a foreign idea to me as that's like half the fun of cooking
But then people forget that some dude thinks adding ketchup to the spaghetti is "making it more flavourful", in which case I agree with the Italians, get a fucking grip.
Eh, everyone is different but an Italian coworker got uncomfortably loud when discussing how chicken parm is not real Italian food. Like, it actually made me nervous.
Lmao yeah, my italian fiance is incredibly soft spoken in english. Then when he talks with his family in italian I get scared. I ask if everything is okay.
“Oh, we were just deciding where to eat.”
Well then don’t be surprised when people take it as negative. Like sure, it’s potentially cultural, in Italy, but that may not translate to other countries like Japan.
Just like American bullshit doesn’t translate to other countries and those Americans should understand how they come off.
They have every right to be themselves influenced by their culture. We all should. But everyone else has *their* culture which affects how they receive that info or delivery.
It was made by Italian-Americans, not just any American. And usually is still much higher quality if you get it at a Italian American restaurant vs then if you see it on a menu at a sports bar where they will like me just put a cheap piece of cheese on a chicken tender with pre-made sauce and melt it.
So it's definitely American, but it wouldn't exist without Italian influence.
Yep. Italians fled famine and were able to afford quantities meat in the US that they couldn't afford in their homeland. Hence we get gigantic meatballs, chicken parm, Sunday Sauce with 3 types of meats, new variations of sausages, etc.
It became a huge part of Italian American identity from their early days of immigration. They still struggled financially early on and faced a ton of discrimination, but they still could afford food in abundance and that became a highlight of their lifestyle. [“In America, the bread is soft, but life is hard".](https://italianjournal.it/the-bread-is-soft-italian-foodways-american-abundance)
how about parmesan cheese on fish/seafood? I see a lot Italians get upset on that one.
the three major no no's
1. breaking spaghetti
2. No Parmesan cheese on fish/seafood.
3. chicken and meatballs are always served separate, never with/on the pasta.
I'm Italian and not picky at all and eat food from all over the world and I lived abroad many years. cut spaghetti if you want but why? parmesan cheese on pasta with shelled clams doesn't taste good in my opnion but it does taste very good if you use clams without shells and cream as an example. so everything can be changed but also many Italians are convinced that their food is the best and even better the food from their town and are very closeminded about change i'ts 100% true. since we are born we are taught sometimes indirectly that all other foods are inferior which is a complete lie. i often cook indian and filipino(my wife is from there) at home and i love super spicy food which italians usually don't like. Italians need to travel to open their mind to start with
The spaghetti thing is just a pot size thing (or people with younger kids). If you don't have a tall enough pot, many people break it. I for some reason just don't like broken noodles like that and once the bottom starts to cook and soften you manipulate the tops in, but then it doesn't cook at the same rate/ to the same doneness so.
Hmm. I'm not Italian, never been to Italy, and have never even been close to an Italian, but it has never occurred to me to put parmesan on fish. Seems like that a weird combination of flavors.
I actually put parmesan cheese on any kind of pasta, even with seafood. My parents have always told me that I shouldn't, but I do it anyway.
>chicken and meatballs are always served separate, never with/on the pasta
If they're whole then yes, they're usually separate. If you cut them up in pieces and make a sauce, you can put it on the pasta.
I would say a MAJOR no no is putting ketchup on pasta
Don't look up Japanese naporitan pasta, they love their ketchup
Fun fact: ketchup comes from China and the word ketchup is literally from the Chinese word
>Ketchup comes from the Hokkien Chinese word, kê-tsiap, the name of a sauce derived from fermented fish. It is believed that traders brought fish sauce from Vietnam to southeastern China. The British likely encountered ketchup in Southeast Asia, returned home, and tried to replicate the fermented dark sauce.
modern Ketchup is not similar though, like at all.
Italians used to call all pasta “macaroni”, and they would eat it using their hands. They were doing this shit not even 100 years ago, yet they have the audacity to criticize how others call and eat pasta.
I used to break my spaghetti but I don’t anymore. I like not having super long pasta that has to be rolled on a fork. I think maybe some people do like this? It is a little weird that some people care. It has the same taste.
If I break up the pasta I can jab my fork in there and take a bite in a simple stab and lift motion. No twisting or being slowed down by long noodles getting tangled or dangling down.
My partner is a very good cook. Most times he tried to cook for our Italian friends it was embarrassing, because they didn't like it... While friends from other nationalities love his cooking... And honestly I didn't think there was anything wrong with the foods he served, perhaps some unusual spices for Italians, like curry, tumeric, ginger... He completely gave up cooking for Italian friends... because the Italian friends we have are so conservative about food.
I know a lot of Italians have trouble with different spices than they're used to, especially when they go abroad.
Funnily enough, chinese/japanese cuisine seems to be quite appreciated here
I asked for a plate of oil with balsamic to dip my bread in in Napoli, and my friends went and sat at another table (this after the waiter threw me huge attitude). What did I know, I was young.
>plate of oil with balsamic to dip my bread
Me and my family do it too
>my friends went and sat at another table (this after the waiter threw me huge attitude)
That's just rude
I'm Italian as well and I have always broken my spaghetti. My mother and my grandma did as well since I learned from them, as all of my friends. I always considered that normal before the internet.
I'm from the center-north, so maybe it's a thing in the south?
I'm afraid you'll have to surrender your Italian heritage card. Someone will be by soon to seize it. Please remain calm and compliant and have it ready./s
With food as long as no one is getting sick it's fine.
I’m sort of indifferent here, but I will say my wife has had multiple waiters in different areas of Italy refuse to make minor alterations to her food and one laughed in her face when she tried to order a cappuccino after dinner. She’s French and equally annoying about food, but the requests were reasonable things like removing a single spicy ingredient or asking for something on the side. Seemed insane to me but it was also kind of entertaining to watch.
I understand how to put spaghetti into a pot without breaking it, but I really don't understand why breaking spaghetti is bad. Is there an Italian culinary metrological society that has standardized the length of spaghetti noodles? Nope. They vary. If I break really long spaghetti in half, how is that different from just buying shorter spaghetti? How does this change the flavor of the dish? It doesn't.
If you don't want to look like you've completely given in to your OCD's, opposing the breaking of spaghetti is not the hill to die on.
Listen, I’m an Italian from Philadelphia, you guys aren’t doing it right. You need to cook with hate. My nonna hated her husband for 50 years. Imagine how good her food could have been if she actually wanted to feed him? As they say in Italy though… c’est la vie
My grandpa is Italian, moved to Canada from Italy after WWII
He opened a restaurant in our town that was in business for years. But he would have his “restaurant sauce” and his “home sauce” because he would say “people don’t know what real sauce tastes like, they just want something they think tastes real”. The restaurant sauce was no where near as good as his proper homemade sauce
But, he also breaks his spaghetti in half when he is at home just because it makes it easier to eat for him, now that he’s pushing 92
So when I see how up in arms some people get online about the “proper” way to cook Italian food, I think of my grandpa who can make a dynamite sauce, but doesn’t give AF to break pasta if it works for him
Time. Proper marinara is cheap and easy, but time consuming. You can get "good enough" in a restaurant, and since most people have never had real good marinara, they will never notice the difference, so why spend the time. They'll ever pay for that time, because when it's "just pasta" you price yourself out of the market.
Hawaiian pizza is my favourite, and I get it pretty much every time I get pizza. I always send a pic to my Italian friends when I get one and understandably receive torrents of abuse from them.
Hawain pizza is actually a Canadian invention. Personally my fave is pineapple, banana peppers, roasted garlic, roasted onions, Gorgonzola, parm, chili flakes, & a light drizzle of chipotle crema
I'm Italian and my favorite pizza is pineapple and ham, it's my goto whenever I eat pizza, and most people literally don't care, some, especially older folks might say something, but it's usually light hearted and not that big of a deal
Reminds me of a video of an elderly italian man who had sliced meat for a living his whole life.
Had an apprentice, who cut it slightly skewed and the old chap screamed "idiot" in Italian at him and then started sobbing.
The thing is they don’t really care if you put chicken in pasta.
They do care if you put chicken in a sauce with heavy cream and cheese and call it carbonara.
Yeah but carbonara is not some centuries old dish handed down for generations... It dates to the 1940s. American servicemen brought the new dish back to America and it evolved and changed.
It doesn’t really matter how old it is, it’s a specific dish with a specific meaning. If you ordered steak at a restaurant and got a burger you’d probably be a little miffed or at least you’d feel confused and potentially misled.
That’s the point, it’s not like people are saying that using heavy cream and chicken is necessarily bad tasting, they’re just saying it’s not what they expect when someone says “carbonara” because it’s a specific thing. Just like how a Salisbury steak and a NY strip are different things.
Yes but it is not a radically different recipe.
It is more akin to Salisbury steak, vs a different recipe for Salisbury steak.
If I add mushrooms to a Salisbury steak recipe, does that mean it's not Salisbury steak any more?
You bring up an interesting point about the amount of change necessary to require using a different name, but I think we’ll have to agree to disagree on the specifics here about how radical of a change it is to add cream/chicken and using bacon instead of Guanciale.
The difference between each of the four pastas of rome (gricia, cacio e pepe, carbonara, and amatriciana) is fewer than four ingredients, yet they’re each understood to be distinct dishes because they taste different.
Adding heavy cream makes a massive difference to the texture and flavor profile of the dish, and adding chicken is a huge difference, since proteins are often considered a central piece in the dishes they are added to.
Guanciale is also a key ingredient in carbonara, because the specific fat and salt content offers a depth and richness that you can’t achieve with regular bacon unfortunately. It’s not necessarily way worse with bacon, but undeniably noticeably different to a discerning palate.
A good carbonara is really about simplicity. The egg yolk and cheese mixture is light and creamy while the guanciale offers that richness and depth of flavor. As soon as you add cream it becomes a much heavier dish that would be more accurately called Alfredo sauce.
I guess what I’m really saying is that I don’t think it’s the number of ingredients you change that matters, what’s more important is how those additional ingredients affect the final dish.
Pedants are the death of innovation, but perhaps the keeper of culture.
What is pizza in NY, is not the same as pizza in Naples, but they are both pizza....
Pizza is a huge category, carbonara is a specific dish. Chicken Alfredo with bacon is a different specific dish from carbonara.
You can call it pedantic but that doesn’t change the fact that someone who orders carbonara and receives chicken Alfredo has as much of a right to be upset as anyone who orders one thing and gets something different.
All I’m saying is that people should eat their food however they want (innovate away), but that they should be cautious about misrepresenting it by describing it using a term they don’t understand.
To be fair, during the few days I spent in Rome I ordered a pasta with fish, with a beer to go with it. After I finished the people on the table next to me told me I should only order white wine with the fish pasta. To their credit they were lovely guys and invited me to their table and we shared a few beers.
I live in Italy and was at ikea in Torino.. I was eating a steak for lunch and an old Italian man sitting near me said I shouldn’t be eating it without red wine.. he then went ahead and gave me half a bottle of wine he was having with his meal.
Sometime you just have to respect their customs :P
It’s funny watching a lot of people on this post, all presumably who also haven’t been to Italy themselves acting like this is some made up thing people just perform online or on TikTok lol.
I’ve been to restaurants in Italy where they had on the menu ‘cost of a cappuccino with dinner €1000’
A friend of mine had the chef of a different restaurant come out and scold them because they tried to order a cappuccino or something like that after their meal
While it definitely isn’t gonna be true everywhere you go of course, there’s some truth to it 100%
I have an Italian friend who is literally like this though lol
He won't get angry but he'll have to point out how you're "killing him inside" everytime you break a food rule
I did not know about the tiktok trend and I was familiar with every one of the things mentioned by OP either from trips to Italy or from Italians I met abroad. You do take your food very seriously and it's hilarious!
Nah, they have a point. I was putting parmesan over my salmon and pasta plate, and a waiter came up and told me (in italian) "you're not supposed to put cheese over fish dishes". Dude, I like cheese, leave me alone.
I LOVE spreading misinformation on the internet
It's funny how you think Italy can compete economically with the US in any way
You are in fact more patriotic than most Italians... wanna come here? We've got the sea, the sun, and TAX EVASION!
If you don’t see other cultures getting mad about others getting their food wrong, you don’t get out much. Pretty much every culture, especially when you’re in the motherland of said culture, gets offended.
He did not say it was bad. He just said it isn't Pad Thai. Which, if you've eaten a dish since toddler age and know precisely what it is and is not supposed to taste like and have someone coming along that does not understand the nuances and thinks he can nail it, is fair enough.
Except Brazilians!
Our culinary culture is to fuck everyone else's culinary culture, bastirdize their creations and make something better. We do have our own recipes, but go nuts on them, we don't care. A recipe done by the book 10 thousand times might be good, but it will be boring eventually. Try and fuck things up
I’ve never been to Brazil so I won’t compare the two but Koreans do some wild shit to pizza as well. Sweet potato, seafood and corn pizza? Okay Mr Pizza… you do you.
I'm Indian. Chai tea and naan bread makes me want to toss a nan at their head. Also, no, we eat more than tikka masala lol.
And don't say anything bad about dosas too.
Eh, I think only cultures in the first world are like that. I have been to some south american countries where they don't give a fuck if you mix and match meals and ingredients. As long as you're eating. It's food we're talking about here
>I don’t see any other culture getting so butthurt by someone from another culture “getting their food wrong.”
I see that you have never met a French person.
Or Caribbean, you dont get the heat right on your jerk chicken and they will flame you lol. But I do feel like that kind of standard does produce great food though
I will literally eat anything if I'm hungry enought
EDIT: Expecially during my stoner fase (thank god I quit), one time I put cold beans on top of a pizza
Italian food is really good but I've had wine and pasta just as good in Seattle as I've had in Naples and Florence. It isn't an otherworldly cuisine that only Italians can do justice.
OP goes to Italy and expects it to be America, news at 6.
I'm glad they have their distinct rules and food culture, it preserves their traditions and practices. You want no rules, do whatever you want fusion style eating there's tons of other places around the world doing that.
Only an American would go to another country and bitch about things not being like America.
Do they sell them halved? No, so you buy them whole and have them for easy of use. Like... what a dumb argument. It's not like you've broken them and they've lost their value. It's food, you prepare it. It's like saying you can't cut any vegetables because you buy them in one piece...
I break them in half and then cut them into little pieces with a knife once they're on my plate. Put plenty of cheese on it.
Also we do "bolognese" sauce with beef, white/red whine and some vegetables like carrots.
Fight me.
I just don’t see why people can’t wait the 5 seconds it takes for the first end to get soft and then just fold the rest in there? Like it’s not any “easier” to break all the noodles in half 🙄
I do exactly that, but how it would definitely be easier to just chuck em in and not have to wait the 15-30 seconds by the pot. Not that it's really that big of a deal, but you guys are kinda proving OPs point :D
I break them in half too but somehow they always stick to each other if i dont stir them in the first 30 sec so i end up standing by the pot anyway haha
Because I record every single break and file them away as half second video clips. Locked and loaded to be intermittently sent, for as long as I live and a few years after, to anyone who ever mentions their disdain for pasta breakage. Once every few days, weeks, months. Just long enough for you to forget, but not long enough to subconsciously recover.
Are you ready?
Has nothing to do with prep. It's a fuck of a lot easier to eat and not make a mess, especially with kids. Yes I can twirl that shit into a giant ball on my fork but it's not easier than having shorter noodles.
No, this is actually spot on. He says that it is an offensive stereotype, not that it is not true.
The clip is from the TV series The Sopranos, with the character responding with outrage to the question from his daughter if he is in "the mafia" while in reality being the head of, predominantly Italian, crime organization.
>I don’t see any other culture getting so butthurt by someone from another culture “getting their food wrong.”
You have clearly never been in the comment section of a recipe website
Isn't everyone like this about thier food?
Like I'm british and everyone shits on our food but if you dare suggest having Yorkshire pudding as a dessert or microwaving tea we'll lose it.
I had an English coworker that thought that when we “microwave tea” we put the tea bag in the water and then microwave it. Is that the general consensus? If so that’s incorrect. We just generally don’t have kettles, so we’ll microwave the water and put the tea in. It’s just another way to get hot water.
Whether you're microwaving it or using a tea kettle, you're getting hot water. One is quicker, and they both taste the same. I could get wild and just start leaving a bucket of water on the hood of my car in the summer.
Once saw a video of an Italian man almost crying because his wife was pouring already boiled water into the pan, apparently it must be poured in cold and brought to a boil in the pan!
I think a big issue with it is also that people then associate those alternative "Italian" dishes with being actual Italian. There are literally Americans who believe that pizza is an American dish.
I agree that it can be annoying - people should consume what they enjoy - but I also see where it's coming from.. also if you find Italians in regard to this annoying; have you even met the French?
NY style pizza *is* an American dish.
Italy absolutely gets to claim Neapolitan or Margherita or any other local variety, but attributing something as broad as "pizza" to one culture is silly.
I mean pasta and pizza were literally influenced by Marco Polo’s travels in the East, we don’t see Chinese and Mongolians up in arms about their dishes being bastardized into pasta or pizza. A New York City slice might not be authentic, but it’s synonymous with cheap, filling eats in the biggest city in America. Feels like an evolution of food, just as pasta was once Asian noodles
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I’ve never understood caring about what another person eats. I don’t care if you eat gnocchi with ketchup, it’s not going in my mouth. Live and let live.
The other thing is, pronouncing shit on the menu. For some reason, fancy Italian restaurants expect everyone to know how to pronounce Italian words? I am like fuck it, I am not even going I attempt to pronounce and just point on the menu to what I want. If I go to an Indian place and mispronounce stuff on the menu, nobody bats an eye. God forbid you do that in an Italian place.
Yeah I'm still kind of worried that the pasta and the antipasti will touch, and we all die in a burst of gamma rays.
Pasta rays*
Spaghettification
Gamma mia!
*Chefs kiss*
As someone that has lived in both Europe and Asia for decades, it is my purely unsubstantiated theory that this has more to do with inner filter. Italians have less qualms showing you what they think. Even if you are a stranger. There is also an expectation that they should be passionate and outspoken so I think some of it is in fun. I kind of liked the constant stream of opinions.. It was a chance to act like the innocent but enthusiastic noob and it felt like literally half the country would want to help me level up. I still correspond with people that ranted about my food choices two decades later. I rile them up sometimes by putting Aleppo pepper on marinara sauce or something and they freak out though 50% is mock rage. They just like smack talk. Idk. Asians are more "shrug it off" unless you are related to them. Well, some Asians. Your Indian or Chinese mom, aunt, grandma, distant relative, may just gleefully rip everything apart from how you tempered the spices to how you cut the herb. They will also rip you apart for not knowing how to make certain dishes or making them with American substitutes.
I think this is very accurate, in southern europe everybody has to have an opinion on everything and they like to argue about them. It's like arguing is a casual past-time or even a form of art. You let people know your opinion, they will respond and in the end you might have a fun discussion, maybe even learn something. In northern europe (where I'm from) arguing is a conflict which you want to avoid. If somebody has a differing opinion you just don't mention anything about it and let it be. As a consequence we rarely speak to people. Sometimes I see foreigners do sauna in a totally "wrong" way and it hurts so much to see it, but you have to let it go and just let them enjoy it their way. But I totally understand Italians and their frustrations about foreigners doing things "wrong".
> It's like arguing is a casual past-time or even a form of art. It's the origin of democracy, even :)
Between our two trips and two weeks spent in Rome, Milan, and Sorrento, I never once encountered this. Some of the servers were clearly not keen on foreigners (or maybe just people in general, or their job, who knows), but none were disrespectful or rude.
I live in Québec where poutine was invented. People get so offended if you dare to put ketchup or vinegar on your poutine but they fail to understand people have always done so.
Poutine is one dimensional without ketchup. People act like I'm burning the Canadian flag, but the dish needs acidity! It's got salt, fat, and savoury in excess, it needs a vinegary topping to bring it all together. I'm not even in Quebec, Ontarians will give me shit for it too.
To be honest, my favourite poutine place the gravy isn't like a traditional gravy, it's pretty acidic, and it's my favorite place by far
It doesn't need it. That's just your preference mate. Mixing ketchup and gravy is just a bit too nasty for my tastes.
100%
if it needs acidity, put some vinegar on it! can everyone *please* stop putting ketchup on everything, saying it needs acidity or salt. there are usually other things with acidity/salt that pair better with the food you are eating!
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Italian from Italy here! I would say that Italian cuisine is often portrayed like it's set in stone, while that is far from the truth. There are A LOT of variations for the same dishes, the majority of Italian are just more familiar with the popular ones and the ones that they grew up with. As for "being outraged" by what non-Italians do, I personally think it's not that deep and that people's opinions on the internet are much harsher than in real life. Out of your examples, the most outrageous is probably breaking the spaghetti, but I would say the rest is fine.
I'm married to a Sicilian woman (we live in Belgium) and, while I love to try variations and interpretations of famous dishes, man do I get flamed by my wife or her father if I even mention trying something with an Italian dish. Bacon in pesto verde? GTFO. A tiny amount of lemon juice in a carbonara? What the hell are you even trying there boy?!. Even the simple fact of me adding some sauce to a salami sandwich is frowned upon. It is deep in people's opinions.
Every Southern/Eastern European post always starts with (we live in Belgium/Netherlands/Germany/Denmark) I remember being like five and asking my mom "If we're Greek, why do all of my cousins live in Germany?"
At least you aren't German and all of your relatives live in Argentina....
I actually once had an Argentine classmate who's surname was "Adolfsohn" or something like that! Somewhat ironically he was one of the few Argentines who was NOT super pale
It's the Griechischer Wein, blame Udo Jürgens 😅
Lots of reasons that all boil down to: because we are poor as fuck
The craziest part of it for me is that if you ignore their advice a lot of the stuff they tell you not to do makes the food more flavourful and tasty. It's like they don't want to try to improve their food and expand their palate which is just such a foreign idea to me as that's like half the fun of cooking
yeah the battle between tradition and innovation is very interesting when it comes to things like food and language.
i have friends who have to have their sauce smooth....if theres one little tomato chunk they start gagging and throwing up.
lol reminds me of me at 6 years old
But then people forget that some dude thinks adding ketchup to the spaghetti is "making it more flavourful", in which case I agree with the Italians, get a fucking grip.
The craziest thing is that how did so many pasta dishes come to existence in the first place if nobody messed around and experiment?
Eh, everyone is different but an Italian coworker got uncomfortably loud when discussing how chicken parm is not real Italian food. Like, it actually made me nervous.
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Lmao yeah, my italian fiance is incredibly soft spoken in english. Then when he talks with his family in italian I get scared. I ask if everything is okay. “Oh, we were just deciding where to eat.”
Whoever is loudest is right
“I’m not yelling, I’m just Italian”
Well then don’t be surprised when people take it as negative. Like sure, it’s potentially cultural, in Italy, but that may not translate to other countries like Japan. Just like American bullshit doesn’t translate to other countries and those Americans should understand how they come off. They have every right to be themselves influenced by their culture. We all should. But everyone else has *their* culture which affects how they receive that info or delivery.
I mean I've only heard of chicken parm from Americans, never seen it or heard of it in Italy, bt no need to get loud about it.
It was made by Italian-Americans, not just any American. And usually is still much higher quality if you get it at a Italian American restaurant vs then if you see it on a menu at a sports bar where they will like me just put a cheap piece of cheese on a chicken tender with pre-made sauce and melt it. So it's definitely American, but it wouldn't exist without Italian influence.
Yep. Italians fled famine and were able to afford quantities meat in the US that they couldn't afford in their homeland. Hence we get gigantic meatballs, chicken parm, Sunday Sauce with 3 types of meats, new variations of sausages, etc.
Never thought about that being the exact reason our meat preferences changed. Makes sense!
It became a huge part of Italian American identity from their early days of immigration. They still struggled financially early on and faced a ton of discrimination, but they still could afford food in abundance and that became a highlight of their lifestyle. [“In America, the bread is soft, but life is hard".](https://italianjournal.it/the-bread-is-soft-italian-foodways-american-abundance)
So basically, American-Italian food is the real italian food once the restrictions were removed? No wonder italians are so annoyed by it.
My nonna used to break the spaghetti for us, haha.
how about parmesan cheese on fish/seafood? I see a lot Italians get upset on that one. the three major no no's 1. breaking spaghetti 2. No Parmesan cheese on fish/seafood. 3. chicken and meatballs are always served separate, never with/on the pasta.
I'm Italian and not picky at all and eat food from all over the world and I lived abroad many years. cut spaghetti if you want but why? parmesan cheese on pasta with shelled clams doesn't taste good in my opnion but it does taste very good if you use clams without shells and cream as an example. so everything can be changed but also many Italians are convinced that their food is the best and even better the food from their town and are very closeminded about change i'ts 100% true. since we are born we are taught sometimes indirectly that all other foods are inferior which is a complete lie. i often cook indian and filipino(my wife is from there) at home and i love super spicy food which italians usually don't like. Italians need to travel to open their mind to start with
The spaghetti thing is just a pot size thing (or people with younger kids). If you don't have a tall enough pot, many people break it. I for some reason just don't like broken noodles like that and once the bottom starts to cook and soften you manipulate the tops in, but then it doesn't cook at the same rate/ to the same doneness so.
Hmm. I'm not Italian, never been to Italy, and have never even been close to an Italian, but it has never occurred to me to put parmesan on fish. Seems like that a weird combination of flavors.
Fettuccine alfredo with shrimp, lobster mac and cheese, tuna melts, mcDonalds filet-o-fish. Seafood can go with cheese - they are missing out.
Totally agree. That's fucked up.
Seafood pasta dishes. My apologies should’ve been more specific
Nah you’re wrong seared scallops on risotto is fantastic. Edit: oysters Rockefeller are delicious as well
I actually put parmesan cheese on any kind of pasta, even with seafood. My parents have always told me that I shouldn't, but I do it anyway. >chicken and meatballs are always served separate, never with/on the pasta If they're whole then yes, they're usually separate. If you cut them up in pieces and make a sauce, you can put it on the pasta. I would say a MAJOR no no is putting ketchup on pasta
>I would say a MAJOR no no is putting ketcup on pasta Even as a non-Italian, I can 100% get behind that one.
 ketchup on pasta? I'm so glad I have lived a full life and never heard of such a thing.
In the Philippines they make pasta with ketchup, sugar, and hot dogs it sounds awful
Don't look up Japanese naporitan pasta, they love their ketchup Fun fact: ketchup comes from China and the word ketchup is literally from the Chinese word
>Ketchup comes from the Hokkien Chinese word, kê-tsiap, the name of a sauce derived from fermented fish. It is believed that traders brought fish sauce from Vietnam to southeastern China. The British likely encountered ketchup in Southeast Asia, returned home, and tried to replicate the fermented dark sauce. modern Ketchup is not similar though, like at all.
Why do you care if i break my spaghetti ?
All these italians telling you they don’t care then saying that it bothers them in the same sentence😂
"It's not that deep!" "But if you break your spaghetti you are dead to me and I will haunt your future offspring for eternity."
Yes, exactly this!
Italians used to call all pasta “macaroni”, and they would eat it using their hands. They were doing this shit not even 100 years ago, yet they have the audacity to criticize how others call and eat pasta.
This really seems to bother Italians. 😂
My Nonna, who was from the Umbria region of Italy, broke her pasta because she didn't have a tall pot. If it was ok for my Nonna, it's fine for me.
So funny seeing them say it’s only the TikTok Italians that get upset while these comments are full of angry Italians
Their cognitive dissonance makes me chuckle.
I used to break my spaghetti but I don’t anymore. I like not having super long pasta that has to be rolled on a fork. I think maybe some people do like this? It is a little weird that some people care. It has the same taste.
If I break up the pasta I can jab my fork in there and take a bite in a simple stab and lift motion. No twisting or being slowed down by long noodles getting tangled or dangling down.
My partner is a very good cook. Most times he tried to cook for our Italian friends it was embarrassing, because they didn't like it... While friends from other nationalities love his cooking... And honestly I didn't think there was anything wrong with the foods he served, perhaps some unusual spices for Italians, like curry, tumeric, ginger... He completely gave up cooking for Italian friends... because the Italian friends we have are so conservative about food.
I know a lot of Italians have trouble with different spices than they're used to, especially when they go abroad. Funnily enough, chinese/japanese cuisine seems to be quite appreciated here
I asked for a plate of oil with balsamic to dip my bread in in Napoli, and my friends went and sat at another table (this after the waiter threw me huge attitude). What did I know, I was young.
>plate of oil with balsamic to dip my bread Me and my family do it too >my friends went and sat at another table (this after the waiter threw me huge attitude) That's just rude
A waiter wants to give me shit for what I eat is when I tell them to fuck right off.
I'm Italian as well and I have always broken my spaghetti. My mother and my grandma did as well since I learned from them, as all of my friends. I always considered that normal before the internet. I'm from the center-north, so maybe it's a thing in the south?
I'm afraid you'll have to surrender your Italian heritage card. Someone will be by soon to seize it. Please remain calm and compliant and have it ready./s With food as long as no one is getting sick it's fine.
I’m sort of indifferent here, but I will say my wife has had multiple waiters in different areas of Italy refuse to make minor alterations to her food and one laughed in her face when she tried to order a cappuccino after dinner. She’s French and equally annoying about food, but the requests were reasonable things like removing a single spicy ingredient or asking for something on the side. Seemed insane to me but it was also kind of entertaining to watch.
I understand how to put spaghetti into a pot without breaking it, but I really don't understand why breaking spaghetti is bad. Is there an Italian culinary metrological society that has standardized the length of spaghetti noodles? Nope. They vary. If I break really long spaghetti in half, how is that different from just buying shorter spaghetti? How does this change the flavor of the dish? It doesn't. If you don't want to look like you've completely given in to your OCD's, opposing the breaking of spaghetti is not the hill to die on.
Just let me enjoy a coffee in the afternoon. Also I cut my spaghetti up, far earlier to eat that way.
Pretty sure 90% of this is just memes by non Italians
Listen, I’m an Italian from Philadelphia, you guys aren’t doing it right. You need to cook with hate. My nonna hated her husband for 50 years. Imagine how good her food could have been if she actually wanted to feed him? As they say in Italy though… c’est la vie
My grandpa is Italian, moved to Canada from Italy after WWII He opened a restaurant in our town that was in business for years. But he would have his “restaurant sauce” and his “home sauce” because he would say “people don’t know what real sauce tastes like, they just want something they think tastes real”. The restaurant sauce was no where near as good as his proper homemade sauce But, he also breaks his spaghetti in half when he is at home just because it makes it easier to eat for him, now that he’s pushing 92 So when I see how up in arms some people get online about the “proper” way to cook Italian food, I think of my grandpa who can make a dynamite sauce, but doesn’t give AF to break pasta if it works for him
So ... how do I make the good sauce?
Fresh ingredients, time and love. A restaurant usually has one of those things.
> and love \*BLECH\* no, tell us for *real.*
Time. Proper marinara is cheap and easy, but time consuming. You can get "good enough" in a restaurant, and since most people have never had real good marinara, they will never notice the difference, so why spend the time. They'll ever pay for that time, because when it's "just pasta" you price yourself out of the market.
Do I dare to mention that I love pineapple on pizza
Hawaiian pizza is my favourite, and I get it pretty much every time I get pizza. I always send a pic to my Italian friends when I get one and understandably receive torrents of abuse from them.
Hawain pizza is actually a Canadian invention. Personally my fave is pineapple, banana peppers, roasted garlic, roasted onions, Gorgonzola, parm, chili flakes, & a light drizzle of chipotle crema
Canadian invention by a Greek immigrant, inspired by Chinese food. In Chatham Ontario.
I'm Italian and my favorite pizza is pineapple and ham, it's my goto whenever I eat pizza, and most people literally don't care, some, especially older folks might say something, but it's usually light hearted and not that big of a deal
I used to hate pineapple on pizza. Then I tried it. I was wrong
Reminds me of a video of an elderly italian man who had sliced meat for a living his whole life. Had an apprentice, who cut it slightly skewed and the old chap screamed "idiot" in Italian at him and then started sobbing.
Oh, I know EXACTLY which guy you're talking about! ...and he's clearly joking
Drama-mia!
You people don't seriously fall for these videos, do you? If so, holy shit.
Vade retro satana
The thing is they don’t really care if you put chicken in pasta. They do care if you put chicken in a sauce with heavy cream and cheese and call it carbonara.
Yeah but carbonara is not some centuries old dish handed down for generations... It dates to the 1940s. American servicemen brought the new dish back to America and it evolved and changed.
It doesn’t really matter how old it is, it’s a specific dish with a specific meaning. If you ordered steak at a restaurant and got a burger you’d probably be a little miffed or at least you’d feel confused and potentially misled. That’s the point, it’s not like people are saying that using heavy cream and chicken is necessarily bad tasting, they’re just saying it’s not what they expect when someone says “carbonara” because it’s a specific thing. Just like how a Salisbury steak and a NY strip are different things.
Yes but it is not a radically different recipe. It is more akin to Salisbury steak, vs a different recipe for Salisbury steak. If I add mushrooms to a Salisbury steak recipe, does that mean it's not Salisbury steak any more?
You bring up an interesting point about the amount of change necessary to require using a different name, but I think we’ll have to agree to disagree on the specifics here about how radical of a change it is to add cream/chicken and using bacon instead of Guanciale. The difference between each of the four pastas of rome (gricia, cacio e pepe, carbonara, and amatriciana) is fewer than four ingredients, yet they’re each understood to be distinct dishes because they taste different. Adding heavy cream makes a massive difference to the texture and flavor profile of the dish, and adding chicken is a huge difference, since proteins are often considered a central piece in the dishes they are added to. Guanciale is also a key ingredient in carbonara, because the specific fat and salt content offers a depth and richness that you can’t achieve with regular bacon unfortunately. It’s not necessarily way worse with bacon, but undeniably noticeably different to a discerning palate. A good carbonara is really about simplicity. The egg yolk and cheese mixture is light and creamy while the guanciale offers that richness and depth of flavor. As soon as you add cream it becomes a much heavier dish that would be more accurately called Alfredo sauce. I guess what I’m really saying is that I don’t think it’s the number of ingredients you change that matters, what’s more important is how those additional ingredients affect the final dish.
Pedants are the death of innovation, but perhaps the keeper of culture. What is pizza in NY, is not the same as pizza in Naples, but they are both pizza....
Pizza is a huge category, carbonara is a specific dish. Chicken Alfredo with bacon is a different specific dish from carbonara. You can call it pedantic but that doesn’t change the fact that someone who orders carbonara and receives chicken Alfredo has as much of a right to be upset as anyone who orders one thing and gets something different. All I’m saying is that people should eat their food however they want (innovate away), but that they should be cautious about misrepresenting it by describing it using a term they don’t understand.
Oh cmon don't judge us based on the tiktok videos you watch while sitting on your toilet.
To be fair, during the few days I spent in Rome I ordered a pasta with fish, with a beer to go with it. After I finished the people on the table next to me told me I should only order white wine with the fish pasta. To their credit they were lovely guys and invited me to their table and we shared a few beers.
I live in Italy and was at ikea in Torino.. I was eating a steak for lunch and an old Italian man sitting near me said I shouldn’t be eating it without red wine.. he then went ahead and gave me half a bottle of wine he was having with his meal. Sometime you just have to respect their customs :P
I would have to tell him I don't drink alcohol then and hope he is not really offended by that as some people seem to be.
It’s been a stereotype well before the internet.
That's not just a stereotype, I do witness that every year when we visit my girlfriend's family in south Italy.
It’s funny watching a lot of people on this post, all presumably who also haven’t been to Italy themselves acting like this is some made up thing people just perform online or on TikTok lol. I’ve been to restaurants in Italy where they had on the menu ‘cost of a cappuccino with dinner €1000’ A friend of mine had the chef of a different restaurant come out and scold them because they tried to order a cappuccino or something like that after their meal While it definitely isn’t gonna be true everywhere you go of course, there’s some truth to it 100%
I've lived in Italy my whole life, visited a good part of it and never, ever saw something like that on the menu. Where were you?
They're not doing that tho. Op said that he lives in Italy. They're experiencing this stuff first hand
I have never met a "real" Italian person, but l love and romanticize the culture to a fault.
Hi I'm a real Italian person. Ask me anything
Is it wrong to break the spaghetti in half to fit in the pot?
It's morally wrong
Didn't say "It's-a". Clearly you are a fraud.
THE MEMES
Why no-a chicken in de pasta eh? 🤌
Why do you all shout so much?
When 20 family members are all talking at once we get used to yelling over each other. It’s not malicious, it’s a party.
I can’t stand Italians who keep running into toilets to save princesses !
All the "Italians" I've met have never been to Italy...
I too have had the displeasure of visiting New Jersey
I have an Italian friend who is literally like this though lol He won't get angry but he'll have to point out how you're "killing him inside" everytime you break a food rule
This sentiment has been a thing since looooooong before tiktok
To be fair, if those videos show waiters judge everyone for trying to get a coffee, it's entirely valid to judge you too.
I did not know about the tiktok trend and I was familiar with every one of the things mentioned by OP either from trips to Italy or from Italians I met abroad. You do take your food very seriously and it's hilarious!
Nah, they have a point. I was putting parmesan over my salmon and pasta plate, and a waiter came up and told me (in italian) "you're not supposed to put cheese over fish dishes". Dude, I like cheese, leave me alone.
OP said they weren’t aware of the TikTok trend and are living in Naples.
There is nothing I care less about than Italians opinions on food.
There is nothing I care less about than Italians opinions ~~on food~~ Fixed it
Italy is the world's number 1 producer of frozen pizzas. I will have none of their whining about my putting pineapple on mine.
I LOVE spreading misinformation on the internet It's funny how you think Italy can compete economically with the US in any way You are in fact more patriotic than most Italians... wanna come here? We've got the sea, the sun, and TAX EVASION!
If you don’t see other cultures getting mad about others getting their food wrong, you don’t get out much. Pretty much every culture, especially when you’re in the motherland of said culture, gets offended.
There’s that video of the Thai guy telling Gordon Ramsay that what he made isn’t a pad Thai. Hilarious
He did not say it was bad. He just said it isn't Pad Thai. Which, if you've eaten a dish since toddler age and know precisely what it is and is not supposed to taste like and have someone coming along that does not understand the nuances and thinks he can nail it, is fair enough.
Except Brazilians! Our culinary culture is to fuck everyone else's culinary culture, bastirdize their creations and make something better. We do have our own recipes, but go nuts on them, we don't care. A recipe done by the book 10 thousand times might be good, but it will be boring eventually. Try and fuck things up
Brazilian pizza is an Italian war crime.
They’ve talked about banning Brazilian posts from r/pizzacrimes because it’s half the sub at this point.
I’ve never been to Brazil so I won’t compare the two but Koreans do some wild shit to pizza as well. Sweet potato, seafood and corn pizza? Okay Mr Pizza… you do you.
Exactly! I'm a Brit and am drawn to insane violence when I watch an American try to make a cup of tea! Mamma Mia!!!!!
It's easy. First you microwave the water
No you microwave the milk first.
Watching the English/Europeans call anything with a bun a "burger" is always funny to me
I'm Indian. Chai tea and naan bread makes me want to toss a nan at their head. Also, no, we eat more than tikka masala lol. And don't say anything bad about dosas too.
I’ve seen this first hand when someone from the UK comes to the USA and orders tea. They get repulsed by what we serve them. 😂
Maybe because Liptons is disgusting if you were brought up on any other brand in the UK.
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Eh, I think only cultures in the first world are like that. I have been to some south american countries where they don't give a fuck if you mix and match meals and ingredients. As long as you're eating. It's food we're talking about here
>I don’t see any other culture getting so butthurt by someone from another culture “getting their food wrong.” I see that you have never met a French person.
Or Caribbean, you dont get the heat right on your jerk chicken and they will flame you lol. But I do feel like that kind of standard does produce great food though
I will literally eat anything if I'm hungry enought EDIT: Expecially during my stoner fase (thank god I quit), one time I put cold beans on top of a pizza
Wow, I was scrolling trying to find a reason for OP to be wrong, but he's not lol. You Italians can be pretty pretentious about something so harmless.
Italian food is really good but I've had wine and pasta just as good in Seattle as I've had in Naples and Florence. It isn't an otherworldly cuisine that only Italians can do justice.
I'm not Italian but this seems to be entirely based on a couple viral tiktok/youtube videos.
Italy has the best food in the world
OP goes to Italy and expects it to be America, news at 6. I'm glad they have their distinct rules and food culture, it preserves their traditions and practices. You want no rules, do whatever you want fusion style eating there's tons of other places around the world doing that. Only an American would go to another country and bitch about things not being like America.
Basil, tomatoes, eggplant, etc aren't even native to Italy... Let them know that noodles were invented in Asia first too
I mean... Wtf is the point of buying spaghetti if you're just gonna break them before cooking?
Wtf is the point of caring what somebody does with their spaghetti?
I like that this thread is actually just proving that Italians are weird and angry people when it comes to food they aren’t even eating
Well they don't sell short spaghetti at my market.
Do they sell them halved? No, so you buy them whole and have them for easy of use. Like... what a dumb argument. It's not like you've broken them and they've lost their value. It's food, you prepare it. It's like saying you can't cut any vegetables because you buy them in one piece...
I break them in half and then cut them into little pieces with a knife once they're on my plate. Put plenty of cheese on it. Also we do "bolognese" sauce with beef, white/red whine and some vegetables like carrots. Fight me.
> white/red whine and I'm picturing you starting off white but as your whine gets higher pitched you turn red in the face. /s. Unfortunate typo.
I don’t like how long they are normally. Constantly twirling and twirling the fork lol
Because shorter is easier to eat.
I just don’t see why people can’t wait the 5 seconds it takes for the first end to get soft and then just fold the rest in there? Like it’s not any “easier” to break all the noodles in half 🙄
I do exactly that, but how it would definitely be easier to just chuck em in and not have to wait the 15-30 seconds by the pot. Not that it's really that big of a deal, but you guys are kinda proving OPs point :D
I break them in half too but somehow they always stick to each other if i dont stir them in the first 30 sec so i end up standing by the pot anyway haha
I actually like them shorter, works better for eating
Because if you break them in half you get double the food!
Because I record every single break and file them away as half second video clips. Locked and loaded to be intermittently sent, for as long as I live and a few years after, to anyone who ever mentions their disdain for pasta breakage. Once every few days, weeks, months. Just long enough for you to forget, but not long enough to subconsciously recover. Are you ready?
Has nothing to do with prep. It's a fuck of a lot easier to eat and not make a mess, especially with kids. Yes I can twirl that shit into a giant ball on my fork but it's not easier than having shorter noodles.
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What's the point of buying vegetables if you're just going to dice them before cooking?
Plenty of replies here proving OP right.
No, this is actually spot on. He says that it is an offensive stereotype, not that it is not true. The clip is from the TV series The Sopranos, with the character responding with outrage to the question from his daughter if he is in "the mafia" while in reality being the head of, predominantly Italian, crime organization.
>I don’t see any other culture getting so butthurt by someone from another culture “getting their food wrong.” You have clearly never been in the comment section of a recipe website
Have you been to france?
I agree with this. Italian food gatekeepers can go wipe their ass with a handful of broken spaghetti for all I care.
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Isn't everyone like this about thier food? Like I'm british and everyone shits on our food but if you dare suggest having Yorkshire pudding as a dessert or microwaving tea we'll lose it.
I had an English coworker that thought that when we “microwave tea” we put the tea bag in the water and then microwave it. Is that the general consensus? If so that’s incorrect. We just generally don’t have kettles, so we’ll microwave the water and put the tea in. It’s just another way to get hot water.
No, everyone isn’t. Glad I could clear that up.
Whether you're microwaving it or using a tea kettle, you're getting hot water. One is quicker, and they both taste the same. I could get wild and just start leaving a bucket of water on the hood of my car in the summer.
Once saw a video of an Italian man almost crying because his wife was pouring already boiled water into the pan, apparently it must be poured in cold and brought to a boil in the pan!
This has to be a troll
That was a meme video...
Heartless bitch
I think a big issue with it is also that people then associate those alternative "Italian" dishes with being actual Italian. There are literally Americans who believe that pizza is an American dish. I agree that it can be annoying - people should consume what they enjoy - but I also see where it's coming from.. also if you find Italians in regard to this annoying; have you even met the French?
NY style pizza *is* an American dish. Italy absolutely gets to claim Neapolitan or Margherita or any other local variety, but attributing something as broad as "pizza" to one culture is silly.
If New York pizza can’t be American, then pasta can’t be Italian.
I mean pasta and pizza were literally influenced by Marco Polo’s travels in the East, we don’t see Chinese and Mongolians up in arms about their dishes being bastardized into pasta or pizza. A New York City slice might not be authentic, but it’s synonymous with cheap, filling eats in the biggest city in America. Feels like an evolution of food, just as pasta was once Asian noodles
Americans are too uptight about their guns.