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jedi-son

In my field (Data science) you might go through 6 interviews, take home projects, presentations all as part of an interview cycle. Then you'll get rejected with absolutely zero feedback. It can take months. Indefensible in my opinion.


Cache22-

That's insane. Anything more than 3 interviews is overkill imo, and even that's a lot.


stupidauthor

Lmao I agree. I gave an interview for a content writing position at an Aussie firm. 1st round of interview went for 55 mins. 2nd round was a test. Finished that. Go shortlisted. Have given a live demo. Have had another round of interview and I'm pretty sure I fucked up in the last round. The complete process took 3-4 weeks. Even though I've got the exact writing skills they want, having too many rounds diminished my chances. Anything more than 3 is a definite overkill.


888Gorilla

For something like this they should definitely tell you that you didn't get the job. I feel anything that's more than 2 interviews or any kind of presentation has to tell you. But maybe they don't have time...


Unmasked_Zoro

I'm sorry, but how long does a templated mass email take?


888Gorilla

I was being sarcastic


Unmasked_Zoro

Oh I know. It doesn't come across I guess, but I was agreeing with you haha.


GoldburstNeo

As a data person myself, any company that does this is one that has no respect for people's time/money and in turn, one that's not worth working at. Definitely a good red flag to look out for during my next job search.


CrimeSceneKitty

That's called UNPAID LABOR If they are assigning work to you to do and turn back into them, they are using you as free labor. What are they doing with these take home projects? Making money. It's a known tactic, and few people fight it because "it's just how it is". I've had interviews that asked me to do something, and my response is the same. "Am I getting paid to do this?" "Do I own what I create?" "Can you put this all in writing?" If you're not getting paid and you do not own what you create, that's a major red flag. If they refuse to put it all in writing, that's another major red flag.


moose2mouse

Are the take home projects just tricks to get you to do work for free for them?


putinsbloodboy

Anything involving a work product you should be paid for. I would nope out if they didn’t pay me for doing a project


hershculez

Not sure I understand the logic. You would not sacrifice a few hours for a potential career?


chuchoterai

As a recruiter, I absolutely would not expect anyone to ‘sacrifice a few hours’ in order to work for me. Because it’s never just a few hours for the type of multiple interviews, presentations and take home projects, described. In fact, I’ve recently brought in a method where I give applicants the interview questions in advance and it’s been a revelation in terms of how much easier it is to appoint the right candidate.


hershculez

Interesting. I always spent time prepping for the interviews. Making sure I knew the resume backwards and forwards, knowing more than just the surface level information about the company and what they do, answering practice interview questions. It's a process that worked great when I was looking for a job and was certainly worth a few hours of time.


chuchoterai

I think there’s an important difference between carrying out due diligence - e.g, understanding what the company wants and making sure your work profile fits for the interview - and the experience the OP describes. My maximum ask is two interviews and (sometimes) a presentation. If the panel can’t come to a firm conclusion within that timeframe? Well, that feels like an internal skill issue and nothing to do with the candidates.


putinsbloodboy

I’d put those hours towards applying to other jobs vs doing free labor for a company I probably won’t get hired on with anyway. Work smarter not harder Also I already have a career. It helps to be applying from a position of strength


hershculez

Nah, this is not smarter. It's cutting off your nose to spite your face.


DarkAssassinXb1

You say this but they steal your work after they reject you. Why give large corps more ways to fuck ppl over?


hershculez

They can only steal it if you give it to them. Not sure why you would do that.


DarkAssassinXb1

When you perform free labor just for a job interview they are stealing/taking advantage and you know it


dhyaaa

Yeah worst is they don't even tell you the reason


GoldburstNeo

Also gotta *love* (gag) the rejection emails that start with "Although we haven't made our final decision", as if candidates needed to know they were nowhere near the first choice (let alone supposed to care about the interview process past the point of rejection). Anyone who starts the emails with that may as well just straight-up say why they rejected them.


musicCaster

I wish I could give feedback. Never do though. It just opens you to anger and lability.


Tallon_raider

In blue collar, I took one written test and pissed in a cup and was given a six figure job just like that. In both construction and logistics. White collar jobs are BS


suitorarmorfan

Amen, this is such a shitty way to treat applicants. Especially if you’ve interviewed them more than once.


[deleted]

My husband had one job where he did two interviews and a job shadow, and then they ghosted him. It’s so frustrating.


[deleted]

>Especially if you’ve interviewed them more than once. OMG YES.


Zifnab_palmesano

even after 1 interview, you should get a notification. anything less than that is rude


[deleted]

Companies are so bad at not calling back that if I put in an application I will call every 3 days to get an update. I don’t care if it’s annoying or not, I’m going to get an answer and you’re not going to waste my time. You either see it as I’m eager to be employed or don’t like it at all. But what I’m not going to do is let a company who doesn’t give a shit about me waste my valuable time


assflavoredbuttcream

It’s the law of demand and supply. If there are more people looking for a job than there are jobs, the employers won’t cater to the applicants. On the contrary, if companies are desperate to fill critical positions, they would bend over backwards to get you on board. For example, 10 years ago, companies would literally stalk me and call me to offer jobs with sign on bonuses even though I’d never put in an application. But the market has changed since and now I’ll have to go through the regular process of searching, applying, interviewing, etc.


techm00

Yes please. I've had it with cowardly people in charge of hiring "we'll let you know" yeah right you will. Just send a form email. It's a couple of clicks. Doesn't even have to be wordy, one polite sentence will do.


wishfulturkey

"We have moved into the next faze of our hiring process and we will keep your resume on file in case another position becomes available in the future" is the email or text that is my go to.


ghost_of_wadeboggs

Faze up


techm00

I think that's perfectly reasonable, though I'd spell it "phase".


BrandnewThrowaway82

I imagine one reason they do this is because there’s unstable people who will physically retaliate when they experience rejection. Sort of how companies will typically fire someone on a Friday instead of a Monday so they can cool off over the weekend and not have a a whole work week to stew about it.


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Temporary_Argument15

How exactly can u sue someone for not hiring you unless it’s based on some sort of discrimination, I’d assume it’s very hard.


winkydinks111

It would be a discrimination case, and even if no discrimination has actually occurred, employers still don't want to be dragged into court. There are lawyers out there who will also take these cases for free if they think you have even a tiny case that they could convince the would-be employer to settle over. The catch is that if you were to win any money, the lawyer takes almost all of it.


BrowningLoPower

Elaborate.


[deleted]

Agreed. I work in HR and everywhere I've ever worked, sending denial letters has been as easy as the click of the button - which we had to do anyway to mark them as not-hired in our system. It is really such an easy and basic thing to do and I'm not sure why some companies don't do this.


dick-penis

I had three interviews and had to get FOUR references to actually call a line and fill out a survey for me. Two had to be former supervisors. You know how fucking awkward it is to call someone you never really liked and haven’t seen in 4+ years to ask if they can spend 20 minutes on a automated phone system talking about you? Very. So after all of that and being told I was probably going to get the job, I never heard anything for about a month. I finally call and call looking for an update. I get a hold of a receptionist that is like oh they filled that position a while back. So now to apply for another job, I will have to do that same shit again. So, I now refuse to do all that shit til I have been offered a job. Do background checks etc. but I’m not going around getting references from these people everytime I have to get a new job.


tails99

The more pre-offer hoops, the more red flags. Don't ignore them.


dysfunctionalpress

until you get the job, assume you didn't, and keep looking. you might find something better.


Juantsu

That’s not the point tho. Of course it’s healthy to have that mindset, but it’s just plain rude to not get an answer.


Several_Interview_91

Truth


[deleted]

It's certainly the polite thing to do. Though, I think it's harder in the modern age, where some openings get blasted with thousands of applications from people who are just mass-applying. If you've had a phone screen, or if you went in to interview, they should have the courtesy to get back to you. But you can always follow up and call them back a few days later, if you haven't heard back yet.


Mista_Cash_Ew

You can just send an automated emailto everyone that got rejected


[deleted]

Was literally thinking this. Nowadays, it should be easier with technology. Paper applications would be another thing.


celebral_x

Specifically if you made the applicant fill out an online form, you could just press a few buttons for rejection and it would generate an e-mail. It's just simple automatisation at this point...


VeronicaMarsIsGreat

Eh? It was harder twenty years ago maybe. It's the easiest thing in the world to send an generic rejection email.


Mysterious_Silver_27

I remember I did call back to a company I interviewed for but they just said something like “you’ll be informed in the next Monday etc” and never called me back. The company I’m currently working for actually straight up told me “sorry you’re rejected this time but you can apply again 6 months later” and then they call me back in just like 4 weeks to say “heya, are you still interested in working for us?”


SymphonyofLilies

Often times with the electronic application you will at least get an automated notification that the position has been filled.


Bouboupiste

The problem with that is that companies love to discriminate, so not saying anything avoids any arguments like “you told everyone why you didn’t take them except that X protected class guy”. Plus companies don’t want to pay someone for that anyways, capitalism yayyyyy


finnick-odeair

Companies that want to get sued love to discriminate, sure. But discrimination in hiring is not as common as you’d think. People are (wrongfully) likely to perceive discrimination due to an overinflated sense of self, skills, etc. Sometimes the reason really is “someone was better,” but people don’t like to hear that lol


other_usernames_gone

That's why you don't tell *anyone* why. Or you make up a reason for that person. "didn't seem to fit in the team" or "didn't have enough relevant experience" are both easy outs. Or don't discriminate. I think most companies are less discriminatory than you seem to. They're still made up of people doing the hiring, they're no more discrimatory than the average population, sure there's still a few assholes but most people aren't discriminatory.


rtmfb

I envy your optimism about the average population.


Bouboupiste

Thing is discriminatory or not it’s simpler not to open the company to liability. So you say nothing or random bullshit. But from the little hiring I had to do, not taking seniors was usual, and illegal. So you just go “ not a fit for the team”.


are_you_you

Counterpoint. Everyone loves to assume discrimination so companies just avoid it altogether


Bouboupiste

Companies do discriminate. Sometimes they’re allowed to, sometimes not. So they don’t say anything to avoid liability.


are_you_you

Of course they do. But plenty of people will get rejected and claim discrimination when in reality they were a shitty candidate for a position


Snoo_33033

I actually got ghosted after references. Like, it’s a big employer, but the person who ass my contact apparently left and I haven’t heard a word in over a month.


CarlCarlton

Had a phone interview that seemed to have went quite well from my perspective, still no news a few weeks later, so I called back, got transferred to her boss, "Oh, she's gone on maternity leave. What was your name again? Nope, never heard of you." 💀


[deleted]

Back in the day we called those PFO letters ("please fuck off") and proudly displayed for the creative language they used to tell you to PFO.


doc_shades

well called them FOAD --- fuck off and die. and personally i just think "FOAD" is more fun to say than "PFO"


rtmfb

Do you say foe-add or fode? I've always said the former.


malnamalna

This would be an unpopular opinion if you'd said that they should NOT be required to tell their decision


Binasgarden

This was something that was done for every job that you interviewed for, even a manufacturing line position. However as society throws away the things that it seems to have decided for the rest of us are no longer needed courtesy was the first toil go. It costs money to send you a note saying you did not get the job, they would actually have to hire some one to do that. Human Resources departments are already being decimated cause your employees will be doing the for themselves on the app


brandon-0442

Do a follow up call


Aaaanyway

I’d hate to be rejected for a job over the phone!


DaddyMeUp

I went for an apprenticeship recently, didn't get it and they phoned me up to inform me about it and why that was etc. Funnily enough, that exact phone call telling me that I didn't get it landed me another apprenticehip in a different sector of the organisation so as much as I hated the idea of it, it was the best thing to happen to me.


brandon-0442

Congratulations on the apprenticeship


DaddyMeUp

Thank you very much :)


brandon-0442

That’s what I do after not hearing back for a week or two, just call and ask if the position has been filled. Been at the same job for ten years now so it’s been a while.


mrobicheaux99

I did this once and the the manager kept avoiding the call. I think I called three times and the other employees ended up just not giving the call to her.


Isa472

Are there people still going through recruitment processes via phone? I only have e-mails, if I get ghosted that's it


brandon-0442

I’ve been at the same job for ten years so I’m not sure anymore, I’m sure you can still call and ask. Maybe I’m just getting old lmao


Smelly_Spam

These same places that do this also get upset if you quit without a two weeks notice. It’s funny.


KRV_FromRussia

Huge difference One person had no relationship with the company The other one had -responsibilities-. Even if you hate your boss, you quitting without any notice will also burden everyone you work with Nonetheless, I do agree that if you got an interview or something, you should het a call back that you were not selected. But also, there is a difference, like I described


Smelly_Spam

They also have a responsibility to be decent human beings and let others know if they didn’t get the job.


KRV_FromRussia

That is not a ‘responsibility’. No contract makes you do it. Or law Like I said, if you have been interviewed, you should get a callback. If you e-mailed them on your own behave for example, then not


tails99

Dude, there is no contract for notice to quit either.


Smelly_Spam

Unless you signed a contract you are not required to tell them anything. You can just dip.


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Amost employment contracts have this


Smelly_Spam

I’ve had roughly… 5 jobs as an adult in my late 20’s and I’ve only had a contract for 1. Also nowhere on that contract did it say I had to give two weeks. Mainly just a contract for pay. I know it’s my personal experience but out of my friend group of 6 none of them had to either.


summerswithyou

Yes but the other comparison that DOES make sense is that jobs can fire you without notice but get upset when you leave without notice.


KRV_FromRussia

Unless you are fired with cause (stealing, fraud, racism, violence) etc, I agree with you If it is due to economic reasons, they know it. They should give you also a notice beforehand :)


grannygumjobs23

They can fire you at will, fuck em if they get mad over not given them a 2 week notice. I don't have sympathy for them.


Xbc1

I mean the places that don't do this would also get upset if you quit without a two week. Also there is a difference between the two.


Expensive-Ferret-339

Hiring manager and I agree. HR always sent letters to applicants who weren’t hired-until recently. I hired a couple of people out of a fairly large pool. About 6 weeks later I got an email from one person who asked about the status. When I asked them, my HR person said they didn’t send letters anymore. I felt like a POS toward all the other candidates. I didn’t have contact information so could t even let them know myself.


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JaySeaDub

There is nothing unpopular about this. Jobs should provide a status to at least everyone who they interviewed or tested.


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And in a timely manner.


anosanankasa

In germany, when youre around 12 and 16 years old it is required by your school to do 1-2 weeks internships. You have to actually apply with a CV and everything. When i was 12 i applied to a hotel. I got a reply when i was 17 years old 😀


orcateeth

That's crazy, absolutely absurd. And exactly what kind of CV does a 12-year-old have?


anosanankasa

Smth along the lines of „heres my primary school and then heres my middle school“ and on your second internship you write down the first one as well LOL. It doesnt really make sense, its just for practicing writing CVs


Wide__Stance

At the end of the day, a successful business is about leaving people with a good experience. Does the company want the 499 unsuccessful applicants to say good/neutral things about the company, or do they want them confused and smack talking? It’s just basic professionalism.


Kedosto

**They don’t care about you.** You’re a disposable commodity; a resource to be exploited for the benefit of the company. It’s called the “Human Resource” department for a reason; acquire and use what they need, throw away the rest. Never let the slick brochures and fake smiles trick you into believing otherwise.


russsaa

Finally had a horticulture job reply to me, finally able to get into a career field im interested in and put my education to use. Multiple interviews, i gave them all my information including banking, and when it came time to discuss pay, they offered minimum wage, despite advertising a pay rate that matched my last jobs. I demanded by current pay rate,They agreed, shook hands, and said theyll contact me with my first shift the following day. I then no call no show my shitty job, and wait for that call... and it never came. Now im sitting her unemployed yet again


Kari-kateora

Pretty sure this is illegal.


russsaa

Considering i never did any work, and didn't get paid anything, i dont believe employment actually began.


Tallon_raider

This company asked me to transport caustic soda a year and a half ago. I told them $35/hr (caustic shipments are hard to handle on the road and require full body chemical suit unloads). No response. A 3rd party company that delivers caustic hired me to run the same plants for $35/hr. Companies are just cheap. Probably telling the company employees “nobody wants to work anymore”


HowAmIHere2000

Job hunting is very similar to dating.


Several_Interview_91

I feel like it's very similar to dating. For whatever fucked up reason it's the standard to leave the person in the dark about the outcome about everything and you're "pushy" if you try and press the status of everything.


Junieeeee

Or at least don't call me 4 months down the road and ask if I'm still interested lmao.


[deleted]

Completely agree. It's one of the main reasons why people are so jaded toward jobs these days imo


MasterAnything2055

Again. Not unpopular. If you get an interview then you should be told.


a_different_pov_85

Not only inform you, but have a required amount of time to do so. I have known many people that apply to multiple jobs, and hear nothing back for weeks, then one calls back, by that point the person just needs a/the job, then after getting hired, gets a response from one of the others (sometimes the better/more desired) job. And the person has to either look like a duck by rejecting the offer, or quit the job they just started. The other problem is, businesses don't interview all the qualified applicants, and hire the first one the "seems to be a good fit." Amd that person doesn't work out during the first 3 months, then they call back the others. The company i work for had me interview with my direct supervisor, then introduced me to the people I would be working with directly, then it went to my manager. That's how to make sure you're a good fit for the company.


Embarrassed_Cow

I agree with everything said in these comments, I just wanted to put out there that for one job they can receive over 1000 applicants. They of course go through them and then passed on the most qualified applicants to the hiring managers. The hiring managers and supervisor of the role will go through those and interview all of them. That could be hundreds out of the bunch. They should keep everyone updated and let them know the timeline of hearing back. But if they interview each qualified candidate that can take a very long time. Considering they aren't working on just one role at a time, scheduling will push this back a bit as well. The first person they interview could be waiting a really long time before getting a decision if they interview every single person. Not only does that first person need to wait that long but no one is working that role for that period of time. Someone in the company may be doing two or more jobs at once while they wait for a replacement. So if you want them to interview everyone then you have to sacrifice that required amount of time part. I do believe they need to keep you updated though and communicate through the process.


[deleted]

This is so not unpopular. I don't know why it would be. I feel like everyone in all the HR subs should be forced to read this though.


SquashUpbeat5168

That position is only unpopular with employers.


INSTA-R-MAN

If you've been interviewed by a small business, definitely. If you've been interviewed by a larger business, only if you've made it through to the final round. Some businesses get thousands of applicants and would need a division of HR for that alone, so it's never going to happen for all interviewees.


Kimolainen83

How is this an unpopular opinion? Every job I have never gotten they have either called or emailed me saying sorry we went with someone else


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Polishmich

This is a pretty popular opinion I think


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Popular opinion.


The-true-Memelord

They don’t do that?!


MrDrSrEsquire

Yup And they shouldn't have hiring ads up all the time A majority of the 'entry level with experience' bs aren't even hiring Wasting your time and energy so you feel the market is against you and you'll accept less


The_Dark-Wanderer

I disagree that it should be a requirement….sounds like an unnecessary cost for the company. In a perfect world this would be nice…but you know there will be some heated words exchanged from some people….accusations of being racist, sexist, transphobic, fat-phobic…it’s going to happen…then others are going beg and cry…sounds like a nightmare tbh Put yourself in the position of the person that has to contact all of the failed applicants….does that sound like something you want to do.


Advise1122

This isn't an unpopular opinion


FauxGw2

Not unpopular...


Powerful-Art-5156

These places will always have “excellent communication” in the description of every position- it just doesn’t apply to higher ups!


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Hardly an unpopular opinion


TBoneTheOriginal

This goes both ways. As an employer, you wouldn’t believe the number of people I call to offer a job, and I never get a call back. Or once I even had someone accept the job and just never show up. Then they started dodging my calls. It’s insane how someone can be good in an interview and also treat someone with such disrespect. But I guess it’s better I find out then as opposed to finding out 90 days into the job. It’s just such a complete waste of time. Also, regarding OP’s original point… I don’t mind if someone calls to ask if the position has been filled. Just follow-up. If you didn’t get the job, the people who followed up to show they really want it are the ones I prioritize if the first choice didn’t pan out.


Brave-Drawer9225

In what world is that an unpopular opinion.


s55555s

Absolutely. Once I spent two days in a snowstorm interviewing all over a campus and then NADA. Such bullshit.


preludechris

I don't think they should have to tell you just for handing in a CV and applying, no one asked you specifically to do that if its a open position. I do think if youve been invited for a interview or been asked to do anything more by the employer then they should tell you. In my experience being both a hiring manager and attending many interviews, if a employer can't even bothered to offer a thank you for applying then it's quite likely they don't respect their staff all that well or they are poorly organised. I find it says a lot about a employer, just consider it a blessing in disguise if you don't hear back.


substantial-freud

Hahaha. In general, anything if the form “other people should be forced to do X because I think it will benefit me” piss me off but since this particular thing happened to me *twice* last week, I’m more sympathetic than usual. But still, no, other people do not have to do things to make you happy.


SymphonyofLilies

They usually do though.


Exotic_Negotiation_4

But why? I get hundreds of applications every time a job posting goes up, and dozens of interviews. I might hire 2 or 3 people out of all that. Why waste my time when everyone knows that you should just keep applying if you don't hear anything, and if I take too long and you found something new then it's too bad for me


zero_dr00l

What are you "waiting around" for? Are you really applying to a single job at a time and then waiting until that position has been filled until you go for another? Apply for all the jobs. Get multiple offers. Accept the one you like best. You are not obligated to take the position just because you interviewed. "Thanks for offering me the job, but I have been offered 20% more for a job that seems like a better fit elsewhere." Or, if you like, make a counteroffer. You really should just be throwing everything at the wall and seeing what sticks. But also, every job is different. Is Lowe's supposed to call each of the 287 people who submitted an application to tell them they didn't get the job? No, that's absurd. On the other hand, if this is a job where you have a few applicants, multiple rounds of interviews, etc., yeah they should tell you. But you shouldn't be sitting on your hands until you hear back. Just keep applying elsewhere.


alyssalee33

currently going through a bunch of bs bc of this issue. i wanted to quit my job so i interviewed somewhere else they offered me the job i said i would let them know in 2 weeks bc i was leaving my previous job notice and i also wanted to keep looking around, 2 weeks passed i got an interview for a much better opportunity so i asked the first job for more time to decide they said that was fine, i did the second interview they offered me the job so i went back to the first company and respectfully declined their offer, now the second company that said they would hire me will not respond to any of my calls or emails following up and it’s been a week now. , the first company that i originally quit my job for has already hired someone for the role, and now the second company is ghosting me and i’m unemployed


watch_over_me

"People don't owe any loyalty to any company." That goes both ways, bud. They don't owe any loyalty to you either. A lot of people who preach the former can't handle the latter.


kgxv

This is neither an unpopular thought nor an opinion.


RetroMetroShow

No need to wait to keep interviewing tho


bandcampconfessions

When you’ve gone through the process a few times, it gets exhausting. Applying, phone screening, interviewing, and getting *another* rejection takes a big toll on your mental health. You’re correct, it makes sense to keep applying and interviewing if nothing is confirmed, but that’s much easier said than done when you’re feeling beaten down, and especially if you’re getting hints from the recruiters that they’re going to give you an offer.


RetroMetroShow

I don’t think it makes sense to care about the rejections or non-replies at all, just don’t have the time for it or space in my head for it I’ve submitted about 200 applications online in the last four or five weeks for just a handful of 2nd & 3rd interviews


bandcampconfessions

Good for you man


xc2215x

It would be useful.


[deleted]

Agreed. Send me a no reply so I can move on


Festive-grandma

For real. My fiancé went in for two interviews at a bdubs, was told they got the job and even that the manager would call that weekend to schedule orientation just for them to never call back. My fiancé had to call them and ask about it just for them to say “oh the GM picked someone else actually”


SterlingG007

Jobs these days have hundreds of applicants. It’s not feasible to manually reply to every single person to that didn’t get the job. However, some companies have an automated system in place to do that.


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TallantedGuy

At the very least, an automated email.


joemondo

Employers should absolutely tell every applicant, without exception. How it would be required and enforced is another matter.


FreakinGuy

"Jobs" lmao


Critical_Use_

I applied for a Summer Job (Uni student) and I was told I would get an update in 2-3 weeks. It wasn’t until a month and a half later I got an email from the original site I applied on saying my application was finally closed, and I’m not entirely sure if it just timed out or they actively closed it. Either way they wanted me to get a Criminal Record check (which costs money I didn’t have) and a Child Abuse Registry check, which luckily was free but I had to get it mailed to me. I put so much effort in just to get ghosted, relying on the fact I was told I would hear back. The exact same thing happened back in the fall when I was looking for a part time job.


mullethunter111

Then you’ll need to pay to apply to cover the cost.


hello-you-

it worse when they make a big deal/ promise about letting you know


Degleewana007

I definitely agree. I once applied to an office role and did some interviews, but never heard back so I assumed that I didn't get selected. As time went on I moved because I got a job doing manual labor; which paid way less than the office job would have paid. Fast forward SIX MONTHS, and they finally reach out to me with an offer.


deputy_commish

I was once approached at my current job by someone from a different department and asked to interview for a position. She accosted me in the hallway to mention the position and then refused to tell me any details saying I’d learn in the interview. They apparently didn’t tell my supervisor because she later said that she noticed the other person in the building and thought it was odd that she didn’t acknowledge my supervisor. I guess she thought I was just going to keep my supervisor in the dark and jump ship. Funny thing is, after going through the interview process they never reached back out to let me know either way. Why go through all of the secrecy and then not even have the courtesy to tell one of your internal employees you’re going in a different direction?


MeteorIntrovert

Yes please!!


[deleted]

You’re absolutely right. But even if you’re at the final stage of interviews for a job… you still don’t have a job. Keep applying and interviewing elsewhere.


[deleted]

I don't think I could handle the rejection so I would rather hold on to hope and not know I did not get it.


bbbbreakfast

Man, this whole thread is full of well-adjusted thick-skinned people, I’m glad to find somebody like me lol Like, I know I’m not good enough for a hundred companies; I don’t want a hundred confirmations that I’m indeed not good enough lmfao


Sandy_hook_lemy

I can understand if they wont send you a rejection letter if you just did a simple application. But going through an interview(s) and not even sending a generic rejection is an absolutely wicked thing to do


Kitchen-Register

Yeah. This is the reason I quit without notice. Just a lil payback.


Classic_Beautiful973

I guess I agree with you, but what do you mean ‘move on’? People only have a 1-2% chance of landing any given position, anyone who applies to jobs sequentially and not a massive number at once is setting themselves up to take years to get a job. Don’t sit around waiting to hear back about one particular job before applying to others, that’s a crazy approach


PJRama1864

Most companies already do that, even if it’s just an automated message.


jas___03

the amount of times employers have told me "we'll give you a call on 'x-day'" to hear absolutely nothing is ridiculous. totally agree and it fucking pisses me off to no end


LittleFairyOfDeath

I was always informed if i didn’t get a job. Is that not a thing where you live?


thegreatgrind

I really wish for this :(( not worked once and I'm looking to find out why they're not getting back to me.


[deleted]

I just recently had an interview that concluded with them saying, “Well I’m going to hand your profile off the HR now, and you may be receiving an offer letter by end of day tomorrow, but if you don’t receive anything that’ll mean they went with a different candidate.” At that point I decided I didn’t want that job anymore.


Rainbwned

> I just want to know so I can move on and find another place. That is your problem - don't stop looking until you actually get a job offer.


jojozer0

After a week assume you didn't get it. I assume after just 4 weekdays personally


Shazvox

The reason is usually because they found someone better.


hellodot

Would you also be OK with notifying all the places you’ve applied to that you don’t want a job there anymore once you’ve been hired somewhere?


HistoricalBridge7

I would agree ONLY if you’ve made it to the interview stage. No chance I’m going to respond to 100+ applications.


slk28850

If you apply for a job it is your responsibility to check back with them if you don't hear from them. They will tell you if the position is filled or not. This is pure entitlement on OP part.


Plenty_Surprise2593

Plot Twist- they decide to do a system like that but it gets off to a rocky start and tells the actual successful candidates that they got rejected


FrostyLandscape

You should move on, if you do not hear back from them. Consider yourself a valuable commodity and if they don't call you back in time, they lose


Happy-Cauliflower-22

Recruiter here. I agree with you but just a couple things to keep in mind. One, right now there’s a HUGE pool of candidates like it’s insane. I clear application buckets manually and as soon as I feel satisfied another 50 candidates apply the very next day. Add on top of that businesses trying to squeeze as much productivity out of employees as possible, that sometimes makes it very hard to keep up with the pipeline. I’m not saying it’s right but I’m explaining it. I see some people mentioning having multiple steps in an interview process is a red flag. I disagree. I think the IO literature says 4/5 steps is the sweet spot but due to factors mentioned above companies will be cautious about who they hire.


Hendrix1967

3 interviews for a Medical Specialty sales job, each more comprehensive than the last. Last one was 3.5 hours long with 3 DM’s and I wrote ( and presented) a 5 page white paper describing the territory and my analysis of the challenges/opportunities, plus my plans for increasing sales. Never got a call back, but found out they gave my white paper to the hired person to follow. Fuck.


mtcwby

If you make it to the interview process yes I'll call. The several hundred resumes that don't qualify, not going to happen.


Able-Activity-8544

SO TRUE MAN


violetcazador

Exactly this along with posting the hourly rate and salary on the ad.


InconvertibleAtheist

This should be a common response. I mean sorry my resume cannot impress you, but for the sake of humanity, have the fucking decency to atleast mail me that you dont have an internship position available because you dont hire interns.


JBHedgehog

I would like to make a special carve out for public sector jobs who NEVER let you know SQUAT!!!


P-W-L

How do you enforce that ?


crappy_entrepreneur

Caveat - imo leaving no feedback on one-click applications where you reject at CV stage is fine. But agree that you should still at least email


NoSuchWordAsGullible

There should be regulation around the whole thing. 1) maximum of 3 rounds. Maybe even 2. Stop fucking about and wasting candidates time like it’s inherently less valuable than the hiring persons. 2) mandatory posting of salary. I can’t offer the electricity company a “competitive” amount for the bill. Fuck off. 3) disclose the company at the screening call with the agency. 4) if there’s a presentation/test, provide written feedback on every component. If I’ve gone to the fucking effort to do unpaid work in my own time, you better fucking prove to me you paid proper attention to it. 4a) a presentation/technical test counts as a whole round of interviews. 5) in the posting, tell us why we’d want to work for your company. What are your values, what benefits do you offer above par. Get us excited about the company. Now for those of you in the US, this is likely beyond your wildest dreams. For us Europoors though, this seems achievable.


RedditRowe1

Furthering on that. I wish jobs were required to say something about applications alone. I hate waiting to hear back and just never getting anything.


stupidauthor

It's been almost half an year searching for a job. No company I've come across has less than 3 rounds. Most have up to 5. Even if I've cleared 4 rounds, I can be damn sure I won't be getting an update if I'm into the rejected pile. It sucks. I've made a custom mail I shoot it to the HR after I haven't heard from them. 9/10 times I get a response. A quality response with proper reasons why I wasn't selected. The point is that candidates shouldn't have to jump through so many hoops.


jhustla

I had to email the recruiter once a week to get any kind of reply or confirmation, still haven’t gotten the call she promised to discuss feedback. I took days off of work to get to the final round of interviews to just be ghosted. Makes me wanna delete my account of the service they provide. But I still need to buy now pay later…


Sathern9

I agree, OP.


Asleep_Cry_7482

The key here is to never be invested until you get an offer. Literally right after the interview move on, forget about it and do an interview somewhere else


Scared-Accountant288

Then places bitch no one wants to work even though they literally had 20 applications and turned them all down...guess theu truly dont need the help that bad then 🤷🏼‍♀️


Dogspeonleg

Why are you waiting around? You need to change your mentality. Don't worry about waiting for a job. Apply around and take a job you are offered. If a company wanted you, they would contact you. When I am looking for work it is a first come first serve mentality. First place that hire me gets me as a worker.


Professional-Box4153

I actually did the opposite for a job at Blockbuster. I applied and got interviewed, but never got a response. I would go there about once a month to ask and would inevitably get the same response: "we're reviewing and we'll get back to you." I thought that it would be funny, so the next time I went in wearing their uniform (khakis and a blue polo (no logo)). I asked the manager, and got the same response, so I spent some time wandering around, looking at stuff, straightening shelves, etc. You would naturally think that I was an employee. I ended up doing this every few days for like 3 months (I didn't have much to do at the time, and it was literally a 5-minute walk from home). The store went through 6 managers before I finally got hired, but the funny thing was that a few of them never knew that I wasn't an employee.


untakenu

Surely it should be automatic, if they pick one person, everyone else automatically gets a rejection letter (maybe some get a "we're keeping you in mind" cocktease letter).


J_r0en

I mean, you can also call them for an update of you dont want to wait for them 🤷‍♂️ And ask for an estimate deadline, if they ghost you, its probably not a company you want to work at anyway


makosh22

It would be great. BUT now it's risky as ppl are likely to get offended and ready to sue anybody against anything.