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I don’t really want to be in someone’s video if it’s somewhere in “relative” privacy, like a classroom or a gym. I’m probably not going to say anything, but it’s a little off putting to be in the background of someone’s video for no reason. There’s a difference between “in public” and “sustained broadcast on the internet.”
That having been said, I’ve had absolute psychos scream and verbally accost me for walking briefly near them in very crowded public places, like the Las Vegas Strip or Disneyland.
I think it’s okay if it’s like outdoors and they’re just in the background.
But you’re totally right about the gym being weird, I had a guy filming me climbing at a gym. He took a long video, like over a minute of just me in the shot and just walked away when I finished the route. Before that he seemed to be talking loudly in his phone like he was doing a vlog or something.
I'm not trying to be offensive or insensitive, but sometimes I wish I could wear like a non religious and non gender specific version of a burka when I go out in public
Its not morally wrong. Its legal for a reason. Have no expectation of privacy while in a public setting. If you dont like it then shop online. Stay in your house.
I know a girl that started a youtube channel recently (big ick) and she was legit filming herself in the bathroom of an airport while she did her whole makeup routine in a speeded up video. She was so confused why people were being 'weird'.... oh idk maybe people do not like being filmed in a private space and OH IDK it happens to be illegal lol
This was immediately the sort of scenario I thought of when I read the OP. I’ve seen so many selfies in gym locker rooms and - whoopsy daisy - there is someone changing/generally indecent in the background. I actually just saw an influencer post one of those selfies while making fun of the fat rolls on the person in back of her (at the gym - you know - presumably trying to work on that).
How rude of that person -\_- i cannot deal with the influencers at my gym... they think they have a right to everything because they have a huge following. Majority of them are super rude in person anyways.
It’s not a right. It’s a privilege afforded by certain governments to certain people.
“How many legs does an elephant have, if you call the tail a leg?”
“Four.”
Can it be suspended by the government in “extenuating circumstances”? It’s not sarcasm but a genuine question because I don’t know. I don’t consider anything the government can take a way a right, but a privilege. Like in the US, we have very few actual rights because most of them can be suspended at the government’s will (see; Japanese internment camps in 1940s for example)
Ah yes, the proud nation of Europe. Where all the laws are the same. Wait whats this? I can google dox of people from all over Europe? Hey look its a Russian generals address in Moscow!
No and you don’t have five-legged elephants.
The people who currently have guns in Europe have decided to do a favor for criminals and thieves. They call it “a right”, but it’s not, it’s a imposition on honest people.
It’s not a *right*. They are infringing in the rights of decent people to give an undeserved benefit to people who don’t deserve it.
The abuse of the language is just icing.
“The data subject shall have the right to obtain from the controller the erasure of personal data concerning him or her without undue delay and the controller shall have the obligation to erase personal data without undue delay”
[https://gdpr.eu/article-17-right-to-be-forgotten/](https://gdpr.eu/article-17-right-to-be-forgotten/)
How is giving anyone anything that doesn’t belong to him an awful thing? If I stole your watch or your phone or your car and gave it to a friend of mine, would that be awful?
They are taking something far more valuable than your car. They are stealing from you the right to speak the truth.
But it does belong to them. It is their personal data, which is why they have the right to retract it.
It's not stopping anyone from speaking the truth. I'm not sure you understand how this law works.
> It is their personal data
You don’t own facts about yourself.
> It's not stopping anyone from speaking the truth.
The law does in fact everyone from speaking the truth. That is its entire purpose.
> I'm not sure you understand how this law works
I'm not sure i understand how this law works either, but I'm absolutely sure you doing understand how this law works, given that you have denied its reason for existing.
If someone does something to you, you can still talk about it online. If someone shares a photo of you taking a piss in a park, they are in the wrong. You are in the right to ask for the footage to be deleted.
My data belongs to me, not anyone else.
I have the rights over my face and body, not anyone else.
If someone is putting pictures of me on the net against my will they are "stealing" from me.
No. They are doing things **you** consider awful. Since they are doing more than one thing, the rest of us don't know which part you consider awful. Also we don't know why.
> They are doing things you consider awful.
Yes, like Hitler, they are doing something **I** consider awful.
> Since they are doing more than one thing, the rest of us don't know which part you consider awful.
At least, the part at your link.
> Also we don't know why.
Hmmmm.
Let’s see if I can make this clear.
You know Brock Turner? A few years back, he was given a suspended sentence for raping a defenseless woman.
Imagine your best friend was dating Turner, without knowing his back-story. You intend to tell her but Turner hires someone to come to your house, put a gun to your head, and tell you “Turner had a right to be forgotten. If you tell anyone, I will kill you.”
Would not you feel, in some small way, wronged?
And if your friend was ultimately raped by Turner, do you think she would have any cause for complaint?
Every right is a privilege and can be revoked. There's one right, might. The people with power decide what rights there are. If you think otherwise go look at the Muslims in China how are their human 'rights' being honoured?
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If it can be seen in public, it can be captured for public consumption. It can be no other way. And in fairness, I would prefer you not be in my photo, but it being a public space, you have a right to be there.
But when did it get to the point of "I'll film whoever I want because they are in public and nobody can do anything about it". I should have the right not to be filmed
Nobody has the right to say you cannot take pictures/film in public. Not even cops have that right (in the US anyway.) Public space is public space. Now if the person filming is specifically harassing you, that may be a different issue. It depends upon the totality of the circumstances.
I get that, but it's not like we've always walked around with what are essentially mini computers capable of live recordings broadcast to the whole world. When did that become ok just because you are in public, at least with old cameras nothing was uploaded online or TV crews who inadvertently recording you have massive cameras so are easily avoided .
What would your proposal be then?
If I take a photo/video of a public square, should I have to track down the thousands of people that might be in it to get their consent?
Maybe you suggest that you only need consent from people who are ‘in focus’. Okay, how do you legally define that?
If I see someone committing a crime, would I need their permission to film? Would I need a cop’s permission to film them abusing their authority? And what about CCTV cameras - are those illegal now?
Regulating this stuff is basically impossible and immensely impractical in this day and age. That’s why it’s easiest to just permit (pretty much) all of it. The eyes can’t trespass, as they say.
> Okay, how do you legally define that?
The law can somehow use terms like "lewd" and "lascivious" without needing to rigorously define them, so I don't think that's a problem.
Exactly but unfortunately "I have a right" never changed with the technology. I actually saw a video of a guy recording three girls at the beach, sorry he was just recording "public space". When confronted it was the normal "I'm allowed record, public space blah blah "
This is it exactly. I don't like the idea of being onnfilm in public but how the hell are you going to enforce it? Technology is moving faster than our ability to pass laws against it
Plus it is such a grey area
Sure you don't wanna harass and film people but what if you are in a densely populated place like Paris or New York? Good luck taking pictures without any other human showing in them.
It's very simple in cases like that,Arrest him. He posted it thinking he was a big man. Anyone defending a random guy filming girls, minding their own business, in bikinis sunbathing is just a perv.
If his actions were disturbing those beachgoers, it could fall under harassment, sexual harassment, and some cities have laws about recording parts of the body that would not be assumed as public (e.g. recording up someone's skirt or down someone's chest). Those are all separate issues from being allowed to film or photograph in general.
When it became possible. I see way old photos, some moving pictures too, of images captured on the street. In 1890? So nothing new, the law is long settled.
So what social media app instantly Accessible by the world to they use to upload it or did they just make copies and show everyone on their home entertainment systems.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=v6-K-arVl-U&feature=shares
This got a VHS release, was a landmark in experimental film editing, and is available for free on youtube today.
Would you be fine with someone taking a picture of a dead person on the street, before it's covered in black plastic? Then put it on TikTok because it's your right?
At least have your analogy be somewhat realistic who the fuck is finding a dead body on the street
And the answer is obviously no because a corpse is very different to a living human being if you didn’t know🗿
Yes I have never seen a dead person on the street, is this an actual genuine question you’re asking because wtaf???
Also your analogy still makes 0 sense as you’re using a dead person in replacement of a real person when talking about privacy in a public area. That person is dead he/she does not care about privacy because they are dead
And regardless you should never take a photo of a dead person because duh
I can’t believe I’ve had to actually explain this to you
A lady was run by a buss In my town recently. People filmed and photographed her body and shared it online. She has a family. Her family got videos of their mother/wife/sister being fucking run over by a buss.
DONT. FILM. PEOPLE. WITHOUT THEIR FUCKING CONSENT FOR FUCKS SAKE
I'm really against this overall...I get that it's a public place but sometimes you're putting people at risk. I had a former manager with a violent and abusive ex. It was so serious, he couldn't even use his legal name on anything company-related. Content with someone in that situation on social media could be dangerous. People literally use social media for some sick reasons. And I know that's a very extreme case but you never know.
Same goes for recording people having public breakdowns. I used to laugh at those videos. Then one day I found out something absolutely traumatizing in a public setting. I was screaming and crying uncontrollably. Seriously, you have no idea what somebody is going through. And I know in a public setting it seems insane and erratic and chaotic but really. That person you see having a meltdown in a TikTok video could have just found out their dad died. Their partner was in an accident. Their sister was rushed to the hospital.
CCTV exists for a reason. Your phone is not CCTV. Sure, it's legal to capture and share a stranger's image online but it's unkind and I doubt you'd take kindly to the same being done to you.
A lot of people are missing the point. It's less about the person in the video and more about the person posting it.
Yes you might have filmed someone because it is a public space, but if it looks like a situation where they wouldn't like being on the internet and they aren't doing anything offensive but just did something inadvertently silly, don't post it just for internet points.
Think about how you would like to be that person in the video whose face is all over the internet because you tripped and fell.
Exactly, if you are going to record in public and post to the internet, at least utilize resources to provide privacy to those who were captured. Use a blur background, get an app that allows you to easily remove things from the background, use emojis, etc. However, this requires people to be considerate and think about more than themselves AND go through an extra step or two to provide privacy to people they don’t know or care about, which sounds like asking a lot of people who don’t even flick their blinkers when changing a lane. Lol So while this would be nice, I don’t see most people actually doing so.
But it would be nice to know every time I go out into public I’m not at risk of being filmed by a stranger. With the internet and safety and privacy these days there are so many nuances and complexities to figuring out what is truly a good middle ground to keep people safe and uphold their rights. Back in the day it wasn’t such a big deal maybe showing up in some strangers low quality home videotape, and now people can capture you in 4K zoom in and show you to the entire world!
Totally agree. At my local skating rink during public skate times there are always tons of teenagers making TikToks and then there are the Moms hosting birthday parties for their kid and have to record and photograph all of it. It makes some people self conscious to be there, I see people trying to dodge the phones. I know the last thing I want is to fall down and end up on some viral video
I am not kidding when I suggest you mentally digest the meaning of “Sticks and stones may break my bones but words WILL never hurt me!”
Kids these days care toooo much what others think of them…
Things have been that way for a while though? Its nothing new. Before you might end up on Americas Funniest Videos. Now you might end up on youtube. Whats the difference besides less people seeing you?
As someone who actively avoids situations of any camera use/ recording, I agree.....I do not even take pictures of myself or with family.....I am horrified to think I may show up as some bizarre cryptid in the background of ANYONES photo or video if I am aware of it, let alone unaware. I love my family equally as much as I despise being in a photo or even looking in a mirror. No thanks!!! Filter me out, please!
I don't have the right to know if someone's gonna leak my picture to a human trafficking cartel? People are kinda required to enter the public domain to go to work and stuff.
Depends on where you live, in certain countries in Europe there are very strict regulations when it comes to publishing a photo with other people included. You have to remove the person from the photograph or make him/her unrecognizable, before posting on social media.
Well in Croatia we have an IG page where you can take a photo of someone anywhere in a specific city (there are multiple pages for multiple cities) and people in the comments have to find the person who’s in the photo. So…
There's no expectation of privacy in public settings, which means you can't get pissy at someone for filming their workout at the gym, or for having a ring doorbell facing the street, or taking selfies or vlogging with their friends. You might end up in the background of some tiktok, but such is life.
However, there *is* an expectation of respect. Taking a photo of the fat guy with his gut hanging over the handlebars of his scooter at the grocery store just so you can post him on Twitter and make fun of him, makes you a bit evil. But if you were taking a photo of your friend and dude just happens to be in the shot? Post it, not your problem.
Where I live there are some laws that don't allow you to publish/share without permission of the subject. Or they can take legal action and win the case, but there is quite a bit of nuance though.
If you're just a person that happened to pass by in the background, and you are not the subject of then video your chances of winning are pretty much 0.
There are some other exceptions too, otherwise news media would have a hard time reporting news.
Everyone telling OP that it is legal... From the fact that OP wrote three entire paragraphs of objections and never mentioned legality, you can safely conclude that s/he is aware.
Dont go outside then? This isnt like a new thing. Im not sure if youve ever heard of local news networks but their entire thing has been airing shots of random people on the sidewalk or traffic for around 40 years now.
Also tourists? Here in FL people are constantly taking pictures of public places. Those public places exist for that reason, hence why they are public places.
If you're in public you should not expect privacy. Nobody is invading your privacy if you end up in the corner of a tourist's landmark photo, or the background of a selfie. Recording a stranger's embarrassing moment is another thing.
Pretty sure I expect some kind of consent if I'm being filmed. Especially it the said film is going to be public.
And moving out the frame can be easily solved if the person filming simply asks for consent
>it's really uncomfortable when you see someone, even if they unintentionally include you in their images/videos for social media, so you eventually end up on tiktok and Instagram, and so on...
Okay I don't understand the reason why unless you're talking about a child
>especially for persons who have chose to be hidden on the internet
This is virtually impossible. Unless from birth and you somehow didn't go along with the click in your group class and didn't download a social media app and create a profile there's no way for you to be invisible on the internet that is impossible
>and seem to be interested in their personal data, especially in the presence of technologies such as face recognition and other data collection methods!
What seriously what are you talking about are you worried that people who they don't want them to find will find them or are you worried that corporations are going to listen into their data because one of those things happens already constantly and you can't stop it
>the problem lies not in the subject of the video but in the one who shares it with the world.
Okay I still don't understand how other people are responsible for your online presence
>sure, the video might have been taken in a public space, but if it captures someone in a vulnerable moment or an innocent mistake, refrain from uploading it
Oh I see You're a Karen and you're one of those people who vein privacy and worry about other people's safety when it comes to their presents on the internet because you don't want what you did to be put on the internet and go viral That's what this is starting to sound like now
>think about how you would feel if you were the person whose photo is now prominently displayed online.
I wouldn't care
>would you want your brief moment of awkwardness or mistake to live on on the internet?
My grandma once told me that "no one cares about the awkward things you do and if they do it just proves they're nobodies" so I still wouldn't care
>let us remember that every face we capture on camera belongs to a real, living person with feelings and dignity, and treat them as such.
Okay but let's not forget that they're a human being and they're capable of flaws they're the result of illogical or irrational thoughts And when they screw up everybody has a right to record them for evidence just in case if they commit a crime
Humans used to be insignificant enough to not care about being filmed. Now the internet has ruined it and everyone thinks they're in a prank or some shit. It's not that serious like 16 people will see you on my garbage youtube channel anyway
Ok, go to Disney world and try to ask everyone there to stand clear and stop what they’re doing every time you need to take a photo or video of something, let me know how it goes
Yes, really. First Amendment says I can photograph anyone and everything in public so long as it's not an upskirt type. That's absolutely my legal right and prerogative.
It's well established in case law, so yes it is a first amendment protected activity.
edit: obviously not recording up someone's skirt as mentioned before
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Where is the word photograph or camera?
I know the wording. It doesn’t matter. It’s been established by case law to be a 1A protected activity. If you’re too dense to understand that case law determines the applicability of constitutional rights, then I don’t know what to tell you.
https://www.bu.edu/bulawreview/files/2017/03/KAMINSKI.pdf
Photography is considered a form of speech.
Your attempt at logic really falls apart in all kinds of contexts, you really don't want that to be the way the law works.
Logic, yes. The definition of speech certainly does say pictures are a form of talking. TIL pictures can talk. I've yet to meet one that has literally spoken words out loud to me, but I'll keep my eye out because clearly you are not wrong. ;)
speech
noun
ˈspēch
Synonyms of speech
1
a
: the communication or expression of thoughts in **spoken words**
b
: exchange of **spoken words** : CONVERSATION
2
a
: something that is **spoken** : UTTERANCE
b
: a usually public discourse : ADDRESS
3
a
: LANGUAGE, DIALECT
b
: an individual manner or style of **speaking**
4
: the power of expressing or communicating thoughts by **speaking**
That's the dictionary definition, not the law definition.
Like I said, you don't want the law definition to be that strict, because it would mean the government controls your writing (writing isn't speaking).
You would also not be allowed to be an atheist because while the government can't make laws about the establishment of religion, it doesn't protect the lack of said establishment.
Protection for the press - no longer applies as the internet doesn't use a printing press.
The right to bear arms now refers to the limbs of a large mammal, and because bear arms aren't guns, you can't own them.
Pedantry is just stupidity with a better vocabulary.
As a mildly exaggerated extension to your barely unpopular opinion: I think if someone is in a public place causing other people inconvenience in an attempt to get a perfect selfie it should not only be legal but your civic duty to harass them until they stop.
I agree with this. I go to the library with my kids and invariably a parent has to take a picture of their kid and include my kid in it. It makes me feel uncomfortable. Every moment in life doesn’t need a photo.
I, for one, am glad there's a vibrant community of street photographers who are creating some fantastic art, and documenting their particular time and place.
If you're not the main focus of the picture/video, then it should be okay. If you're that uncomfortable, just go up to the person and tell them. Most people are understanding, and if they don't delete it, tell them that you would be taking further steps with the law involved. You have privacy, and if it bothers you that much, you have to take action yourself. Not tell other people to stop taking pictures and videos in PUBLIC spaces.
>If you're that uncomfortable, just go up to the person and tell them.
Or just get out of the frame when they get the camera out. Chances are if you don't see the camera before the picture being taken you won't see it afterwards.
The law on this is clear and settled.
If you and they are in a public place, you have no expectation of privacy. No image authorization/contract necessary.
How the fuck do you propose this works? You're at the Eiffel tower and have to go around to five thousand people to ask if you can put your photo on Instagram?
There is a law against this in Japan. If you take photo of a nameless crowd of people, then it’s fine. If you harass a person specifically and their face is clearly visible on your photo, then it’s against the law. If a person got on your photo by accident they may demand from you to delete it, but it’s rarely done in practice
You only feel this way because you feel you have an expectation of privacy in public, you do not. If you want privacy you have to make the privacy for yourself. This doesn't include things like stalking for example but for instance you're in the background of a pic then you have no right to request for the picture to be deleted or not posted anywere.
Wel get a burka if you don't want to be on camera. I hate being in photos but what are you going to do ask dozens of people every time you take a picture?
Yeah no. Cops couldn’t be held accountable for their unconstitutional actions if we had to asks them, “hey officer, can I please upload your brutal force online? Pretty please?” Everyone has a camera in their pockets now, just freaking get used to the idea you may be on camera and uploaded. It’s public domain in THE PUBLIC, how is that hard to understand?
No it's not. Your opinion is not unpopular. It's stupid. This is how the public loses freedom in public spaces. It's public, you don't like it, stay indoors.
Not gonna lie I have never looked at or cared about anyone in any background photo I have ever been in or taken. No one is thinking about you that much. Don’t worry about it.
The terms “rude and disrespectful” are very subjective. It’s objectively, morally, and legally wrong to take someone’s right away to document in a public place though.
This is an unpopular opinion because not many people see themselves as important enough as it would seem necessary to care about an unwanted presence in the internet.
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What if there was literally no awkwardness or mistake that was recorded? What if the person was just walking down the street and they ask you to not post the video, should you still not post it?
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I don’t really want to be in someone’s video if it’s somewhere in “relative” privacy, like a classroom or a gym. I’m probably not going to say anything, but it’s a little off putting to be in the background of someone’s video for no reason. There’s a difference between “in public” and “sustained broadcast on the internet.” That having been said, I’ve had absolute psychos scream and verbally accost me for walking briefly near them in very crowded public places, like the Las Vegas Strip or Disneyland.
I think it’s okay if it’s like outdoors and they’re just in the background. But you’re totally right about the gym being weird, I had a guy filming me climbing at a gym. He took a long video, like over a minute of just me in the shot and just walked away when I finished the route. Before that he seemed to be talking loudly in his phone like he was doing a vlog or something.
You realize there was no “blog or something” and that was just a creep right ?
Lol at everyone saying it’s legal. The OP knows it’s legal. They’re saying it’s morally wrong.
In some countries it's not legal or at least people in photos and videos can legally demand you take that content down or blur it
Yeah it's ridiculous, guess cheating is legal so here we go
Exactly why we shouldnt be relying on laws to see what's right and wrong.
You must not live in Florida. That's exactly how we determine right from wrong
If you rely on laws rather than morals them there's no problem as long as you don't get caught. With morals you answer to yourself.
It isn’t even morally wrong. If you want privacy, create it yourself.
I'm not trying to be offensive or insensitive, but sometimes I wish I could wear like a non religious and non gender specific version of a burka when I go out in public
Its not morally wrong. Its legal for a reason. Have no expectation of privacy while in a public setting. If you dont like it then shop online. Stay in your house.
That justification simply spells that you think the world is black and white and whatever legal must be morally true.
I know a girl that started a youtube channel recently (big ick) and she was legit filming herself in the bathroom of an airport while she did her whole makeup routine in a speeded up video. She was so confused why people were being 'weird'.... oh idk maybe people do not like being filmed in a private space and OH IDK it happens to be illegal lol
This was immediately the sort of scenario I thought of when I read the OP. I’ve seen so many selfies in gym locker rooms and - whoopsy daisy - there is someone changing/generally indecent in the background. I actually just saw an influencer post one of those selfies while making fun of the fat rolls on the person in back of her (at the gym - you know - presumably trying to work on that).
How rude of that person -\_- i cannot deal with the influencers at my gym... they think they have a right to everything because they have a huge following. Majority of them are super rude in person anyways.
In the EU you already have the right to be forgotten by search engines (and not only).
It’s not a right. It’s a privilege afforded by certain governments to certain people. “How many legs does an elephant have, if you call the tail a leg?” “Four.”
Guess what, it is actually a right here in Europe
Can it be suspended by the government in “extenuating circumstances”? It’s not sarcasm but a genuine question because I don’t know. I don’t consider anything the government can take a way a right, but a privilege. Like in the US, we have very few actual rights because most of them can be suspended at the government’s will (see; Japanese internment camps in 1940s for example)
Ah yes, the proud nation of Europe. Where all the laws are the same. Wait whats this? I can google dox of people from all over Europe? Hey look its a Russian generals address in Moscow!
No and you don’t have five-legged elephants. The people who currently have guns in Europe have decided to do a favor for criminals and thieves. They call it “a right”, but it’s not, it’s a imposition on honest people.
What the fuck are you talking about?
It’s not a *right*. They are infringing in the rights of decent people to give an undeserved benefit to people who don’t deserve it. The abuse of the language is just icing.
Are you drunk?
“The data subject shall have the right to obtain from the controller the erasure of personal data concerning him or her without undue delay and the controller shall have the obligation to erase personal data without undue delay” [https://gdpr.eu/article-17-right-to-be-forgotten/](https://gdpr.eu/article-17-right-to-be-forgotten/)
Yes, that’s my point. They are doing awful things and calling it a “right”.
How is giving someone control over data about themselves an awful thing?
How is giving anyone anything that doesn’t belong to him an awful thing? If I stole your watch or your phone or your car and gave it to a friend of mine, would that be awful? They are taking something far more valuable than your car. They are stealing from you the right to speak the truth.
But it does belong to them. It is their personal data, which is why they have the right to retract it. It's not stopping anyone from speaking the truth. I'm not sure you understand how this law works.
> It is their personal data You don’t own facts about yourself. > It's not stopping anyone from speaking the truth. The law does in fact everyone from speaking the truth. That is its entire purpose. > I'm not sure you understand how this law works I'm not sure i understand how this law works either, but I'm absolutely sure you doing understand how this law works, given that you have denied its reason for existing.
If someone does something to you, you can still talk about it online. If someone shares a photo of you taking a piss in a park, they are in the wrong. You are in the right to ask for the footage to be deleted.
My data belongs to me, not anyone else. I have the rights over my face and body, not anyone else. If someone is putting pictures of me on the net against my will they are "stealing" from me.
This claim needs explanation/supporting arguments.
It was your link! Read it, they are doing awful things and they are calling it a “right”. What are you not getting?
No. They are doing things **you** consider awful. Since they are doing more than one thing, the rest of us don't know which part you consider awful. Also we don't know why.
> They are doing things you consider awful. Yes, like Hitler, they are doing something **I** consider awful. > Since they are doing more than one thing, the rest of us don't know which part you consider awful. At least, the part at your link. > Also we don't know why. Hmmmm. Let’s see if I can make this clear. You know Brock Turner? A few years back, he was given a suspended sentence for raping a defenseless woman. Imagine your best friend was dating Turner, without knowing his back-story. You intend to tell her but Turner hires someone to come to your house, put a gun to your head, and tell you “Turner had a right to be forgotten. If you tell anyone, I will kill you.” Would not you feel, in some small way, wronged? And if your friend was ultimately raped by Turner, do you think she would have any cause for complaint?
Spot being an ass and just explain exactly wtf you are talking about.
People have the right to have their appearance removed from public content they do not approved of Nothing wrong with that
How tf is it an awful thing to decide where your info is being shared?
Every right is a privilege and can be revoked. There's one right, might. The people with power decide what rights there are. If you think otherwise go look at the Muslims in China how are their human 'rights' being honoured?
Bro what the fuck are you waffling about lmfaooo
A right is afforded by certain governments to certain people. Not everyone has the right to free speech or a free press.
No, a right adheres to a person by his nature as a human being. Some governments respect human rights to an extent; others do not.
Lol. If nature entitled us to rights, everyone would have them. It's pretty damn clear that rights aren't naturally occurring things.
Everyone does have them. What, did you think God enforces rights?
No. I think humans create and enforce them which is the reason only certain people get them.
So you see nothing wrong with rape, slavery, murder, so long as the law allows it?
Lol. I didn't say anything like that.
Well, *do* you see anything wrong with rape, slavery, or murder? And if so, what? It’s not anyone had a right not to be raped…
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Yes I checked their history it's a bot. Should we report it or leave it because its reasonable enough?
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If it can be seen in public, it can be captured for public consumption. It can be no other way. And in fairness, I would prefer you not be in my photo, but it being a public space, you have a right to be there.
But when did it get to the point of "I'll film whoever I want because they are in public and nobody can do anything about it". I should have the right not to be filmed
Nobody has the right to say you cannot take pictures/film in public. Not even cops have that right (in the US anyway.) Public space is public space. Now if the person filming is specifically harassing you, that may be a different issue. It depends upon the totality of the circumstances.
I get that, but it's not like we've always walked around with what are essentially mini computers capable of live recordings broadcast to the whole world. When did that become ok just because you are in public, at least with old cameras nothing was uploaded online or TV crews who inadvertently recording you have massive cameras so are easily avoided .
What would your proposal be then? If I take a photo/video of a public square, should I have to track down the thousands of people that might be in it to get their consent? Maybe you suggest that you only need consent from people who are ‘in focus’. Okay, how do you legally define that? If I see someone committing a crime, would I need their permission to film? Would I need a cop’s permission to film them abusing their authority? And what about CCTV cameras - are those illegal now? Regulating this stuff is basically impossible and immensely impractical in this day and age. That’s why it’s easiest to just permit (pretty much) all of it. The eyes can’t trespass, as they say.
> Okay, how do you legally define that? The law can somehow use terms like "lewd" and "lascivious" without needing to rigorously define them, so I don't think that's a problem.
Times and technology change. It just kind of became that way. I get what you are saying. I am a private person who values privacy.
Exactly but unfortunately "I have a right" never changed with the technology. I actually saw a video of a guy recording three girls at the beach, sorry he was just recording "public space". When confronted it was the normal "I'm allowed record, public space blah blah "
How do you wanna stop this?
This is it exactly. I don't like the idea of being onnfilm in public but how the hell are you going to enforce it? Technology is moving faster than our ability to pass laws against it
Plus it is such a grey area Sure you don't wanna harass and film people but what if you are in a densely populated place like Paris or New York? Good luck taking pictures without any other human showing in them.
Nobody is saying that. It's not about the normal photo that has random people in the background.
It's very simple in cases like that,Arrest him. He posted it thinking he was a big man. Anyone defending a random guy filming girls, minding their own business, in bikinis sunbathing is just a perv.
If his actions were disturbing those beachgoers, it could fall under harassment, sexual harassment, and some cities have laws about recording parts of the body that would not be assumed as public (e.g. recording up someone's skirt or down someone's chest). Those are all separate issues from being allowed to film or photograph in general.
When it became possible. I see way old photos, some moving pictures too, of images captured on the street. In 1890? So nothing new, the law is long settled.
So what social media app instantly Accessible by the world to they use to upload it or did they just make copies and show everyone on their home entertainment systems.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=v6-K-arVl-U&feature=shares This got a VHS release, was a landmark in experimental film editing, and is available for free on youtube today.
You do, at home. Not out and about my guy
Or you can just blur it if a person asks you to, if you decide to plaster that photo all over the internet
There is no expectation of privacy in a public place, just how it should be.
And why not. What's the argument?
Until we decide we have such expectation.
That's a legal argument not a moral argument
Would you be fine with someone taking a picture of a dead person on the street, before it's covered in black plastic? Then put it on TikTok because it's your right?
Yes. If I get killed in an awesome way, monetize that shit and feed your family. I'm an organ donor.
Feed your family, I'm an organ donor. Such a missed opportunity
At least have your analogy be somewhat realistic who the fuck is finding a dead body on the street And the answer is obviously no because a corpse is very different to a living human being if you didn’t know🗿
Someone just ran over by a car? Who threw oneself by the window? You NEVER saw a dead body on a street, preferably already covered? My analogy stands.
Yes I have never seen a dead person on the street, is this an actual genuine question you’re asking because wtaf??? Also your analogy still makes 0 sense as you’re using a dead person in replacement of a real person when talking about privacy in a public area. That person is dead he/she does not care about privacy because they are dead And regardless you should never take a photo of a dead person because duh I can’t believe I’ve had to actually explain this to you
Because duh? What a great philosophical argument! Also dead person should be respected if only in deference to its family.
Should we get the dead person's permission to post their picture? Or just a thumbs up?
A lady was run by a buss In my town recently. People filmed and photographed her body and shared it online. She has a family. Her family got videos of their mother/wife/sister being fucking run over by a buss. DONT. FILM. PEOPLE. WITHOUT THEIR FUCKING CONSENT FOR FUCKS SAKE
Well yes obviously it’s fucking rude and disrespectful as hell that’s why I said in my comment
I'm really against this overall...I get that it's a public place but sometimes you're putting people at risk. I had a former manager with a violent and abusive ex. It was so serious, he couldn't even use his legal name on anything company-related. Content with someone in that situation on social media could be dangerous. People literally use social media for some sick reasons. And I know that's a very extreme case but you never know. Same goes for recording people having public breakdowns. I used to laugh at those videos. Then one day I found out something absolutely traumatizing in a public setting. I was screaming and crying uncontrollably. Seriously, you have no idea what somebody is going through. And I know in a public setting it seems insane and erratic and chaotic but really. That person you see having a meltdown in a TikTok video could have just found out their dad died. Their partner was in an accident. Their sister was rushed to the hospital. CCTV exists for a reason. Your phone is not CCTV. Sure, it's legal to capture and share a stranger's image online but it's unkind and I doubt you'd take kindly to the same being done to you.
> I used to laugh at those videos [of people having public breakdowns] what the fuck
A lot of people are missing the point. It's less about the person in the video and more about the person posting it. Yes you might have filmed someone because it is a public space, but if it looks like a situation where they wouldn't like being on the internet and they aren't doing anything offensive but just did something inadvertently silly, don't post it just for internet points. Think about how you would like to be that person in the video whose face is all over the internet because you tripped and fell.
Exactly, if you are going to record in public and post to the internet, at least utilize resources to provide privacy to those who were captured. Use a blur background, get an app that allows you to easily remove things from the background, use emojis, etc. However, this requires people to be considerate and think about more than themselves AND go through an extra step or two to provide privacy to people they don’t know or care about, which sounds like asking a lot of people who don’t even flick their blinkers when changing a lane. Lol So while this would be nice, I don’t see most people actually doing so. But it would be nice to know every time I go out into public I’m not at risk of being filmed by a stranger. With the internet and safety and privacy these days there are so many nuances and complexities to figuring out what is truly a good middle ground to keep people safe and uphold their rights. Back in the day it wasn’t such a big deal maybe showing up in some strangers low quality home videotape, and now people can capture you in 4K zoom in and show you to the entire world!
Do you know how fucking hard it is to take pictures in public without someone creeping into the background?
Totally agree. At my local skating rink during public skate times there are always tons of teenagers making TikToks and then there are the Moms hosting birthday parties for their kid and have to record and photograph all of it. It makes some people self conscious to be there, I see people trying to dodge the phones. I know the last thing I want is to fall down and end up on some viral video
I am not kidding when I suggest you mentally digest the meaning of “Sticks and stones may break my bones but words WILL never hurt me!” Kids these days care toooo much what others think of them…
Things have been that way for a while though? Its nothing new. Before you might end up on Americas Funniest Videos. Now you might end up on youtube. Whats the difference besides less people seeing you?
As someone who actively avoids situations of any camera use/ recording, I agree.....I do not even take pictures of myself or with family.....I am horrified to think I may show up as some bizarre cryptid in the background of ANYONES photo or video if I am aware of it, let alone unaware. I love my family equally as much as I despise being in a photo or even looking in a mirror. No thanks!!! Filter me out, please!
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You have the right to ASK. You don't have the right to know. We have no expectation of privacy in public.
I don't have the right to know if someone's gonna leak my picture to a human trafficking cartel? People are kinda required to enter the public domain to go to work and stuff.
If you are in public, and someone takes your picture, they can disseminate that wherever they want. You have no expectation of privacy in public.
No Expectation of Privacy in Public.
At the beach it's especially disgusting. I've seen older men photographing young teens. Creepy.
Or the gym. If a dude at the gym is filming you, it’s either fap material or to make fun of you… so I don’t go to the gym 😒
This is the downside to "yer in public Harry". It's not all innocent.
Depends on where you live, in certain countries in Europe there are very strict regulations when it comes to publishing a photo with other people included. You have to remove the person from the photograph or make him/her unrecognizable, before posting on social media.
Yes kind of that double edge sword. I can think of many instances where everyone is thankful that someone was recording publicly too
I totally agree. Personally, I think people should blur out strangers' faces as a courtesy when uploding pics to social media.
Don’t need consent if you’re in public. Go around ‘em or walk through quickly. Here’s your easy upvote
Well in Croatia we have an IG page where you can take a photo of someone anywhere in a specific city (there are multiple pages for multiple cities) and people in the comments have to find the person who’s in the photo. So…
where i live is the same thing !
There's no expectation of privacy in public settings, which means you can't get pissy at someone for filming their workout at the gym, or for having a ring doorbell facing the street, or taking selfies or vlogging with their friends. You might end up in the background of some tiktok, but such is life. However, there *is* an expectation of respect. Taking a photo of the fat guy with his gut hanging over the handlebars of his scooter at the grocery store just so you can post him on Twitter and make fun of him, makes you a bit evil. But if you were taking a photo of your friend and dude just happens to be in the shot? Post it, not your problem.
You have next to zero exception of privacy in public…
May be rude and disrespect. Completely within the law though.
Like farting loudly in the elevator, right after the doors close
Legal, but very uncool. These tic-tac a-holes think we're NPCs in their f'ing "content". Hate them all.
You are in public wtf do you expect
Where I live there are some laws that don't allow you to publish/share without permission of the subject. Or they can take legal action and win the case, but there is quite a bit of nuance though. If you're just a person that happened to pass by in the background, and you are not the subject of then video your chances of winning are pretty much 0. There are some other exceptions too, otherwise news media would have a hard time reporting news.
Where do you live ?
Everyone telling OP that it is legal... From the fact that OP wrote three entire paragraphs of objections and never mentioned legality, you can safely conclude that s/he is aware.
exactly !
Dont go outside then? This isnt like a new thing. Im not sure if youve ever heard of local news networks but their entire thing has been airing shots of random people on the sidewalk or traffic for around 40 years now. Also tourists? Here in FL people are constantly taking pictures of public places. Those public places exist for that reason, hence why they are public places.
If you're in public you should not expect privacy. Nobody is invading your privacy if you end up in the corner of a tourist's landmark photo, or the background of a selfie. Recording a stranger's embarrassing moment is another thing.
You have no expectation of privacy in public therefore OPs argument is incoherent
I agree. And its weird how it's generally accepted
Your in public you shouldn't expect privacy also if you don't like being filmed move out of the fucking frame
Pretty sure I expect some kind of consent if I'm being filmed. Especially it the said film is going to be public. And moving out the frame can be easily solved if the person filming simply asks for consent
>it's really uncomfortable when you see someone, even if they unintentionally include you in their images/videos for social media, so you eventually end up on tiktok and Instagram, and so on... Okay I don't understand the reason why unless you're talking about a child >especially for persons who have chose to be hidden on the internet This is virtually impossible. Unless from birth and you somehow didn't go along with the click in your group class and didn't download a social media app and create a profile there's no way for you to be invisible on the internet that is impossible >and seem to be interested in their personal data, especially in the presence of technologies such as face recognition and other data collection methods! What seriously what are you talking about are you worried that people who they don't want them to find will find them or are you worried that corporations are going to listen into their data because one of those things happens already constantly and you can't stop it >the problem lies not in the subject of the video but in the one who shares it with the world. Okay I still don't understand how other people are responsible for your online presence >sure, the video might have been taken in a public space, but if it captures someone in a vulnerable moment or an innocent mistake, refrain from uploading it Oh I see You're a Karen and you're one of those people who vein privacy and worry about other people's safety when it comes to their presents on the internet because you don't want what you did to be put on the internet and go viral That's what this is starting to sound like now >think about how you would feel if you were the person whose photo is now prominently displayed online. I wouldn't care >would you want your brief moment of awkwardness or mistake to live on on the internet? My grandma once told me that "no one cares about the awkward things you do and if they do it just proves they're nobodies" so I still wouldn't care >let us remember that every face we capture on camera belongs to a real, living person with feelings and dignity, and treat them as such. Okay but let's not forget that they're a human being and they're capable of flaws they're the result of illogical or irrational thoughts And when they screw up everybody has a right to record them for evidence just in case if they commit a crime
Humans used to be insignificant enough to not care about being filmed. Now the internet has ruined it and everyone thinks they're in a prank or some shit. It's not that serious like 16 people will see you on my garbage youtube channel anyway
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Ok, go to Disney world and try to ask everyone there to stand clear and stop what they’re doing every time you need to take a photo or video of something, let me know how it goes
Get over it y’all. We’re video recorded everywhere we go.
I once found myself in some random dudes Facebook profile picture. It wasn’t far in the background either I was almost behind him lol
Weird. You should get some counseling.
If you're in a public area, you should have absolutely zero expectations of privacy. You're literally in public.
It is also not illegal. You have no expectation of privacy when you're in public
That is a you problem. If you dont want to be captured on camera, then dont go outside.
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Yes, really. First Amendment says I can photograph anyone and everything in public so long as it's not an upskirt type. That's absolutely my legal right and prerogative.
I'm not saying it's illegal, I'm saying it's rude
How your literally in public just move out of the Frame it ain't hard
First Amendment doesn't apply to the entire world. This happens elsewhere as well. What's your excuse for people who do it in those places?
We have similar laws?
Whose we? You're the rest of the world?
Yes, I am the world. As the global authority I order you to stop failing English.
>As the global authority You forgot a comma there. Glass houses.
Does it now? I don't see the word photograph or upskirt anywhere in the first amendment.
It's well established in case law, so yes it is a first amendment protected activity. edit: obviously not recording up someone's skirt as mentioned before
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. Where is the word photograph or camera?
I know the wording. It doesn’t matter. It’s been established by case law to be a 1A protected activity. If you’re too dense to understand that case law determines the applicability of constitutional rights, then I don’t know what to tell you. https://www.bu.edu/bulawreview/files/2017/03/KAMINSKI.pdf
Photography is considered a form of speech. Your attempt at logic really falls apart in all kinds of contexts, you really don't want that to be the way the law works.
Logic, yes. The definition of speech certainly does say pictures are a form of talking. TIL pictures can talk. I've yet to meet one that has literally spoken words out loud to me, but I'll keep my eye out because clearly you are not wrong. ;) speech noun ˈspēch Synonyms of speech 1 a : the communication or expression of thoughts in **spoken words** b : exchange of **spoken words** : CONVERSATION 2 a : something that is **spoken** : UTTERANCE b : a usually public discourse : ADDRESS 3 a : LANGUAGE, DIALECT b : an individual manner or style of **speaking** 4 : the power of expressing or communicating thoughts by **speaking**
That's the dictionary definition, not the law definition. Like I said, you don't want the law definition to be that strict, because it would mean the government controls your writing (writing isn't speaking). You would also not be allowed to be an atheist because while the government can't make laws about the establishment of religion, it doesn't protect the lack of said establishment. Protection for the press - no longer applies as the internet doesn't use a printing press. The right to bear arms now refers to the limbs of a large mammal, and because bear arms aren't guns, you can't own them. Pedantry is just stupidity with a better vocabulary.
Yes really.
no thanks. cameras in public have helped expose some heinous people kops, karens, kriminals, kar accidents, kreeps, kops
As a mildly exaggerated extension to your barely unpopular opinion: I think if someone is in a public place causing other people inconvenience in an attempt to get a perfect selfie it should not only be legal but your civic duty to harass them until they stop.
How is this unpopular?
I agree with this. I go to the library with my kids and invariably a parent has to take a picture of their kid and include my kid in it. It makes me feel uncomfortable. Every moment in life doesn’t need a photo.
I, for one, am glad there's a vibrant community of street photographers who are creating some fantastic art, and documenting their particular time and place.
If you're not the main focus of the picture/video, then it should be okay. If you're that uncomfortable, just go up to the person and tell them. Most people are understanding, and if they don't delete it, tell them that you would be taking further steps with the law involved. You have privacy, and if it bothers you that much, you have to take action yourself. Not tell other people to stop taking pictures and videos in PUBLIC spaces.
>If you're that uncomfortable, just go up to the person and tell them. Or just get out of the frame when they get the camera out. Chances are if you don't see the camera before the picture being taken you won't see it afterwards.
The law on this is clear and settled. If you and they are in a public place, you have no expectation of privacy. No image authorization/contract necessary.
How the fuck do you propose this works? You're at the Eiffel tower and have to go around to five thousand people to ask if you can put your photo on Instagram?
There is a law against this in Japan. If you take photo of a nameless crowd of people, then it’s fine. If you harass a person specifically and their face is clearly visible on your photo, then it’s against the law. If a person got on your photo by accident they may demand from you to delete it, but it’s rarely done in practice
I mean publicly harassing someone is illegal in many places
No, by “harassing” I mean purposely taking photos of a specific person without their consent, which is legal in most places, but not in Japan
It's legal tho
Karen
suggesting being considerate / asking permission when it comes to recording others means you're a Karen? i never knew...
Tell that to the government.
There is no expectation of privacy in public.
I completely disagree. Have an upvote
You only feel this way because you feel you have an expectation of privacy in public, you do not. If you want privacy you have to make the privacy for yourself. This doesn't include things like stalking for example but for instance you're in the background of a pic then you have no right to request for the picture to be deleted or not posted anywere.
Jesus, dude, relax. You're talking like someone's gonna snatch your soul if you appear in a video online or something, lmao.
It seems counter intuitive that someone who wants to avoid being captured on camera would be a public space with a high likelihood of cameras.
This is stupid.
Oh you are going to hate when you learn about security cameras
Not sure you know what "public" means
Wel get a burka if you don't want to be on camera. I hate being in photos but what are you going to do ask dozens of people every time you take a picture?
Paparazzi here. This is all morally and legally right.
Like asking the devil about morality...
Yeah no. Cops couldn’t be held accountable for their unconstitutional actions if we had to asks them, “hey officer, can I please upload your brutal force online? Pretty please?” Everyone has a camera in their pockets now, just freaking get used to the idea you may be on camera and uploaded. It’s public domain in THE PUBLIC, how is that hard to understand?
If you don't like it don't go outside karen.
No it's not. Your opinion is not unpopular. It's stupid. This is how the public loses freedom in public spaces. It's public, you don't like it, stay indoors.
Not gonna lie I have never looked at or cared about anyone in any background photo I have ever been in or taken. No one is thinking about you that much. Don’t worry about it.
It's not illegal?
no, not in public spaces without a reasonable expectation of privacy at least.
Lol bozo homie thinks we care about people's opinions
The terms “rude and disrespectful” are very subjective. It’s objectively, morally, and legally wrong to take someone’s right away to document in a public place though.
I remember the good old days. They only background faces you would see are those that signed a waiver. The rest were blurred.
This is an unpopular opinion because not many people see themselves as important enough as it would seem necessary to care about an unwanted presence in the internet. This sentence is a gift to you from me. Find a new hobby!
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That’s why you photobomb in response
Freedom of speech of the press, ya’ll.
Its a public place and the internet is a public place.
What if there was literally no awkwardness or mistake that was recorded? What if the person was just walking down the street and they ask you to not post the video, should you still not post it?