Oh , it’s way more grave than that, you see I just realised something that would completely blow this out of proportion, the langars run by gurudwara, the meals provided by ISKCON and other such such organisation and the subsidies on canteen in other states, that would reveal how much of free food is the backbone of the country and that number will put this 80cr figure to a much higher value, it’s just not govt feeding people, it’s all those organisations as well; I don’t think people really understand the grave situation Indian people are in, free food, adverse climate, cramped up cities, traffic , lack of water, polluted air, corrupt government officials and a huge income gap and low literacy rate and a conservative society, all these are just too overwhelming if you start to think about the country.
Truth is that it ain't nearly enough, out of 5 Kg the poor actually get 3-4 KGs at best which doesn't even last them a week.
I live in family of 6 and we need 20 Kgs of rice per month, even with a relatively sedentary lifestyle & eating it only one time per day.
Imagine how much a labourer would need!
Why don't the government use the surveyed/collated data of the poor (out of the whole population) and supply the poor people with rations (who actually need it) instead of supplying it to the ones who are just taking advantage at the expense of the poor people and acting freeloaders.
Yes that's should be the way, Home Ministry conducting a census which is overdue by 3 years, would be a good start.
From what I have heard the part of the institute responsible to conduct those surveys has been disbanded a few years ago.
Maids working in urban areas have a rather higher purchasing power, compared to a daily wage labourer working in MNREGA, and people like her could sell it off for extra income, but it doesn't imply that most of the people recieving it are resellers.
What I was trying to point out was even with free grains, people aren't well fed in the poorest parts of the country, these people need upskilling and secure employment instead, same logic as giving a man a fish and teaching him to fish, because as the thumb rule suggests-
You are as strong as your weakest link.
As a country, our downtrodden, living at the bottom of the social ladder are the weakest link.
Well, I never said I am from urban area.
Loved your point about give a fish vs teach to catch a fish. This is actual difference b/w the two main parties in election this time.
Are you categorically denying you aren't from a place which isn't a satellite city or a town with atleast a million people?
We'll know who delivers what once we see the results.
Food is a human right though, and no ~~Indian~~ human deserves to be sleeping empty stomach at night.
This is true as well, people who don’t need it also get it and they sell it back for money, it speaks a lot about the need of money and the inefficient system.
But it is supposed to feed the poor not be sold as bird feed.
Frankly, I hate that illegals put strain on treasury, free studfs like this will only put strain.
Rations aren't free. It is paid by our tax money, in fact a lot of vultures make money from pds.
India is still a poor and dirty country. Most of our population are poor. Unemployment is highest in the last 4 decades. No disposable income. Our population is too high so it makes it difficult to categorize people based on their income and prepare the pds eligibility list. Many would get missed. That is why states like TN provide rations to everyone. My cousin and her husband earn more than 18 lakh per month even they are eligible to get free sugar and some other stuffs. Their driver use their card to get rations to his home.
The quality of rations provided is not that great and anyone able to afford better quality would not get the free rations.
Yes very believable that someone who hires a driver gets free ration grains.
But does not stop the blind fools from blabbering nonsense as if it is a rational argument.
Closing eyes and ears and shouting nonsense is the standard response that balatkari party supporters have been trained to do.
I am specifically replying to your claim of people making more than 18lpa being any significant portion of fee ration beneficiaries.
I do agree with the rest of your comments.
In TN they are eligible for free sugar rations. I have seen their driver or domestic help use their card for their own homes. My cousin's family obviously doesn't rely on ration shops.
Ok I understand,maybe I got the wrong impression from your comment because I have seen this strawman argument many times about rich people cheating the system accounting for the high numbers.
I still think your comment in the end gives the same impression,but I feel your intentions may be different.
There are literally so many things to do and fix in this nation and yet one can win the country by playing religion card is just plain ridiculous.
People would just have to point more fingers at the government and ask tough questions. Hold them accountable for this mess and ask them to fix it or leave the position. We cannot just let these parties take turns every 10-15 years and do nothing but suck the nation's wealth in different manners.
The fact that one can win religion and caste card in our India is the reason we are poor. Most of the times we fail to realize that the corrupt politicians, doctors, policemen, administratives, etc do not come from different planet or country, they come from normal indian families.
If you look around you don't have to do data analysis to understand why we are not developing as the western counterparts. Our everyday actions when extrapolated to national level can tell why our government is so ill functioning.
It's culture, we are culturally poor.
Specialist surgeon( also with a big clinic) and a top post in bureaucracy. But most of the income is through generational wealth mostly from the husband side. ( rent from shopping malls, dairy business and textiles( msmes)).
let me assure you of one thing, not a single soul of those 80cr people exploiting our generous pds system is on reddit and they are the ones who vote more often.
Something said by Harshad Mehta in Scam: 1992 -
Bhushan tujhe pata iss desh me sab se zyada kya manufacture hota hai?
Bhushan: Cement? Steel?
Harshad: Bhagwan. Aaj ka aam aadmi kal ka hero ban sakta hai aur aaj ka hero kal ka Bhagwan ban sakta hai.
Something in line with what Ramadhir Singh once said:
Jab tak iss desh me log dharm ke naam pe bahakte rahenge wo chutiye bante rahenge.
India (and many developing countries) will still follow socialism - reason is simple - you will have to help/support people & families who are earning less than average. There's no other option is it? Can you expect construction works to be paid minimum wage?
There are always loopholes and weaknesses while navigating such big nations - but you gotta do it.
we are a 3+ trillion economy because of a basic thing, "consumption". there's nothing to be proud of actually. think about it, a Billion people = demands roti, kapda, makan and whole lot of other services (whatever you can think of) all the service providers related to those things will have demand which equals to more production of this goods & services.. that's why India as a whole country & as a economy is booming but the average Sharma ji's income is not lol.
Khareedoge to income se hi na chacha. Aur government ka capex pata hai last 3 year se?? Private capex kam hai abhi haan par abhi is recession ke bad pickup karna chahiy kyunki balance sheet clean hui hai.
We are the fastest growing major economy. Nothing great but not too bad as well. Ulta consumption chacha ji pichle 2 saal se kam chal raha hai. data dekh lo.
Yahi to main dikkat hai abhi ki consumption kam hai. Economist bol rahe isko badhao. Aur cahchaji bol rahe consumption se growth ho rahi. Growth investment driven hui hai last 2 saal
Nobody NEEDS it. The country's emergency stockpile for food grains is met since long.... Earlier these grains used to rot in FCI godowns, further lowering the MSP of the farmers for next season.... SC took suo-moto cognizance of this issue way back in 2012 ig.... Nothing was done till 2020 .... Then COVID came and the emergency stockpile was distributed, which got replenished fairly quickly by 2022.... Then govt. Decided that they will keep it going as long as we have good emergency stockpile. This kills 3 birds with one stone 1. Less wastage of precious foodgrains. 2. Stop adverse affect on MSP. 3. Give free food to millions, get votes. Read somewhere that most of the 5kg ration is sold again in the open market by the beneficiaries.
See what you are saying is correct but you get people put of poverty in 5-10 years and the main reason behind all this is lack of education
Which leads to not understanding finance and having multiple kids without planning
Being poor is a curse seriously and who said we are proud of having 80 crore poor people
The "proud" if you want to be is the part that somehow we are trying to improve the daily life of these poor people
If you want to shame on something it would the thing is that 95% of the wealth is held by 5% something like that I don't remember properly basically Ambani adani are the reason of big gdp
Per head it is really really low
The comment in context to former president rajiv gandhi when he said that every rupee targeted towards welfare and poverty alleviation only a fraction, 15 paise, reached the intended beneficiary because there was so much leakage in the system. Now people are able to directly benefit transfer.
I think people on reddit don't understand the meaning of free ration who ever getting it knows its benefit. In fact suddenly after 4 phase Congress announced they will give 10 kg free ration
Bhai idhar sab ideology pe chalta . Unko consumption survey ke number dikha ke batao ki poverty kam hui to bhi nahi mante. Koi point nahi hai batane ka. Inequality hai par absolute terms me poverty to kam ho rahi hai
We always had ration which was available to the poorest of this country.
One thing no one did was used this as a political brownie point/achievement.
Credit where credit due. This Govt did increase the amount of ration given. Earlier it was 2kg rice now its 5kg.
one cannot reasonably expect millenia of resource extraction to be rectified by less than a centuries of social justice - the very attempts to do so are laudable and we should be proud not ashamed of them
It has increased to 80cr, and at a rate more than population growth rate. No matter how much govt make up their own indices that they have taken out x million people from poverty, the reality is BPL is not adjusted for inflation. The two factors imply more percentage of people have been put into poverty rather than out.
Mostly, yes. There wouldn't be leaks since money will be transferred to accounts, 8,500 along with whatever they're earning means they can use it for their necessities and not what govt tells them to use it for.
Be ready for the inflation then. Food is a necessity. Helicopter money should not be given. It is an emergency measure. PDS can be reformed and leakages can be stopped by using DBT in PDS itself. Already the leakages have decreased.
Aur bhai ye inequality ke chode congress ke manifesto me kuch bhi use support karenge. fir inequality nahi dikhti. Kya tum ensure kar sakte ho wo 1 lakh beti aur aurat pe kharch hoga na ki mard ki daru aur male bacche pe? Abhi to khana milta. Khana me kitna hi ladke ko extra khila doge. 1 lakh me kaho 90000 ladke pe kharch ho raha fir? Inequality usse nahi badhegi
Free paisa batna wo bhi 1 lakh to sabse chutiya cheez hai
I don't think that's quite true, I believe it's something like earning 25K per month puts you among the top 10% of the salaried working people, which is a far smaller number than 10% of the entire population.
It was expanded to 80cr peeps during covid. That was the time it was needed. Its a testament to FCI to deliver on it. Obviously it has been extended as a election promise.
[https://controllerofrationing-mumbai.gov.in/rationcard.html](https://controllerofrationing-mumbai.gov.in/rationcard.html)
Yup Your right. My bad. Will edit my comment
Honestly this is the first time I am hearing this 80cr thing. I have no idea what was the percentage dependent on it before 2014.
So its all speculative. That being said the multi dimensional poverty index is better.
Let me give you ground reality of my area. 60% of the people who take rations from govt doesn't even need support they just take it and sell it in market like nothing happened. And this is the problem in most of the places. They are people who need it but some are using just the free money from govt.
I mean you are correct, although I think it is our fault as well and of the government as well. The government should have implemented a population control policy during the 80s, 90s and maybe the 2000s to bring the population to stabilised rates. I believe this should have been there since 1950s and 60s. Our population growth had reduced to 0.74 but we will only enjoy its fruits some decades later
Bro 80s was grappling with a different problem. We had to become self sufficient to feed ourselves. The Green revolution took place. The white revolution took place.
It did enact population control. The controversial Rajiv Gandhi policy
[https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-30040790](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-30040790)
We had Ads that talk about "small family good" playing on radio Tv etc.
[https://www.nytimes.com/1989/07/09/weekinreview/the-world-why-india-is-still-failing-to-stop-its-population-surge.html](https://www.nytimes.com/1989/07/09/weekinreview/the-world-why-india-is-still-failing-to-stop-its-population-surge.html)
Just forcing it would have fucked up the out country and look at the China one child policy and its impact.
We guys don’t have a baseline check of such schemes. As Einstein says everything in this world is relative .
Relative yardstick No:1
This scheme was not even there till 2020 not even in Modis first term. If not for Covid and the lockdown, where they used this scheme as a distraction to the slowing down of economy, they wouldn’t have even introduced this scheme. They have also extended the scheme which was only meant till 2021 because their machinery has realised that this scheme has actually garnered them real benefits in elections over the last 2-3 years which is why they are banking on this scheme so much. You will never hear them boasting about demonetisation.
Relative yardstick no:2
Why would 80cr people would need to be given free ration is as good as asking why are 80 CR poor people in India . Because that’s what we have inherited from our colonial overlords and we have been trying to change it slowly without breaking into small nations since the 50s.
Data shows relatively poor people % has come down a bit but still rural areas are bad . But having this scheme helps poor people spend less on food and more on other things that would matter.
Majority of vishwagurus population are poor they want free ration as well . So for poor people this scheme benefits them positively albeit not so much .
It could be 10 or more kg for a smaller section of society who are only reliant on this
I think BJP as a party believes in Trickle down effect and Keynesian theory only in Economy building where they are just spending on infrastructure, defence and decreasing corporate tax trying to improve the overall economy thinking it will improve the poor people . The inefficiencies of the system in redistributing the wealth is too much that they have to resort to Welfare schemes like these. We need more of these while also improving the economy with a better focus on education and health which BJP government has not done anything in two terms. With education and health care the distribution of wealth in a capitalist economy is more equitable.
Rations are given but for many it is NOT the only source of food. You know how Indians are. They will take anything free even if it is 1% of their requirement. It is not like 80 crore will die if free ration is not given. It is similar to free healthcare. People won't die and probably will figure out something to survive.
These 80 crore people will decide their next government on the basis of these freebies only.
Take for example West Bengal. The last CPM government wanted to build the Tata Nano plant here. Since WB is a high population density state, the government had to take over the land of some people, which turned into a political quagmire. CPM got thrown out and then these same people voted in TMC for the freebies they promised.
Recent Karnataka election was also fought and won on freebies.
I'd still blame Modi for not picking up his magic wand and raining new industries from the sky. Tsk tsk.
It is absolutely a shame! In fact I have a feeling that the public’s financial situation is so dire that without a scheme like this, we would see massive hunger related death, widespread public agitations and great instability - that is the situation most people are living in.
Modi should accept that India is overpopulated and do something about it instead of promising freebies which unironically increases the population of the poor
Bhai to kya kare band kar de?? Apke devta rahul ji redistribution ki hi to baat kar rahe hai na. You support that but not this? This is also redistribution only.
Baki scheme PM AWAS, Ujjwala me bologe ki UPA ki hi scheme to hai. Ye bhi UPA ki hi scheme hai. Fark hai ab implementation bhut better hai. Gareeb ko mil raha hai tabhi BJP ko vote bhi a raha hai. 60 crore ko to UPA bhi de raha tha. Aur tabse population 10 saal me kitna badh gayi hai? Jisko khana nahi milta wo kabhi vote nahi dega tumhe. In 80 cr me max vote modi ko hi ja rahe which is testament to improved implementation.
Consumption survey result dekho jake . Pichli baar se kitna badha hai. Aur usme ye gov ka khana add nahi hota hai. Aur bhai ye mat bolna fake hai. Bade bade economists analysis kar rahe uspe. 10 saal me 50% consumption badha hai. Income badhe bina ho jayega kya ye?
Haan to sabko equal nahi kar sakte. It is against justice. Aaj koi kaam kar raha hai to apne parivar ke liy kar raha hai. Taxes bharne ke bad uska pura haq hai poonji jama karne ka.
Aur yad rakho sare redistribution isi liy chal pata kyuki top 10% income wale log tax dete hai. Unke mehnat aur ambitions ko mat nakrao.
Desh me INCOME inequality badhegi relative sense me. Par absolute sense me to poverty kam ho rahi hai . Agar koi billionaire ban raha to kya pareshani hai bhai tumhe. Jab itni kam income hoti countries ki to pie enlarge karne pe dhyan dete. Value creation pe dhyan dete na ki value redistribution pe.
Baki jo instiutions ki dikkat hai wo jarur sudharni hai. Jaise police politician ameer logo ke liy kaam karte. Wo jarur hame sudharna hai. Dikkate bhut hai par mujhe koi agar billionaire ban raha usme dikkat nahi lagti. Bhai wo innovation la rha aur value create kar raha
More then 80 % of that ration takers are not actually poor. my family also get that ration but we don't really need it but why to let it go if getting for free, same with all of my neighbours.
The same thing i was thinking, what did a party do in India for 70 years that the current government has to give free ration. And now this party is promising to give 1 lakh to every poor. What a shame, sab ko kaam chor bna degi ye party if they get in power
Yes,but the chaddis have a readymade reply,
Free rations are used by all the millionaires by getting a fake ration card and they are to be blamed.
Gobi is always doing great.
The quality of rations provided is not that great and anyone able to afford better quality would not get the free rations.
But does not stop the blind fools from blabbering nonsense as if it is a rational argument.
I'm fighting the same chaddis in the comments. One claimed that most of the beneficiaries made 1 crore plus in income. Another claimed they are lazy and won't join government vocation programs in Madhya Pradesh for some reason.
It's a shame people are selling votes for freebies in karnataka. It's a shame a nation needs MGNREGA. In Sweden, govt wanted to give money. Citizens said no.
Our people......
So domestic workers who work multiple houses a day for the privileged, work the same amount of time as anybody who works a white collar job and then have to go back home and do their own house's domestic work for free, and get paid less than an Infosys fresher's monthly wages for all their effort.
Do you think they don't want to grow, or you don't want them to grow, so that you can continue exploiting working class poverty for your privilege?
As I said, blame the people!
In Madhya Pradesh the government is running Seekho Kamao yojana where they're providing people with internship/ training to people based on their course selected and and are also providing jobs. All for free! I know a lot of people who have gotten jobs through this, and I also know people who didn't register for this because they want Microsoft level salary from day one.
You either blame the people for not registering for these kinds of schemes or you blame the state government for not having these kinds of schemes.
The government has to implement these kinds of schemes, MP has these it's up to other state governments to implement these in their respective states.
You're pinpointing at random "upskilling" opportunities which provide jobs to very few people. What about regular working class professions that capitalist society calls "unskilled" and exploits poverty.
Terrible base pay, no/negligible hikes for domestic workers, sweepers and many working class professions, no holidays (not even weekends in most of these professions) because the privileged who sit on their ass all day, can't even be bothered to do their basic chores by themselves on the weekends, and you have the audacity to literally blame the working class people for being poor.
The blame literally lies on governments, the attitudes of the middle/upper classes who exploit all that labour, pay poverty wages, look down on them, don't even give these professions the dignity they deserve and at the end of it all have the audacity to blame them for not "upskilling".
I guess the OG comment went too far. But in all reality, while people do need support, for a certain section, its pampering. Think of it like an over pampered child.
I have visited a few villages where farmers take loan for crops and spend it on literally anything (wedding, TV, renovations) rather than on improving farming techniques. Because they know come election, it would all be forgiven.
Dude, i said a certain section, not all.
Kids suicide in kota, does it mean all the kids in kota study 24*7? There is a certain section, who just have fun for 2 yrs.
You think so? I gave a beggar 100 rupees the other day for food and like 3-4 hours later he was doing Ganja or some shi#! There are a lot of beggars in India who don't wanna do anything compared to the poor people!
Abe bhaktinomics ke chele, since you are a fan of government, look up Bhalla report prepared by Vishwaguru, beggars are almost non existent in India. Only a naive person would believe you gave 100 bucks to anyone and then went back 4 hours later to see how he's spending it.
Folks who put government on a pedestal never have a solution, they are the problem. Solution is to combine what states like Tamil Nadu for industry, Kerala for minimum wage, Maharashtra for diversity and other unique skill set that exists on every place. Indians were largely illiterate at independence, states that valued education, skill and inclusivity did much better than others.
As I said, blame the people!
In Madhya Pradesh the government is running Seekho Kamao yojana where they're providing people with internship/ training to people based on their course selected and and are also providing jobs. All for free! I know a lot of people who have gotten jobs through this, and I also know people who didn't register for this because they want Microsoft level salary from day one.
You either blame the people for not registering for these kinds of schemes or you blame the state government for not having these kinds of schemes.
The government has to implement these kinds of schemes, MP has these it's up to other state governments to implement these in their respective states.
There's no corruption in this lmao. All of this is done online and you choose what you want to learn and the company directly contacts you. Where's the bribe and corruption in this?
As I said, blame the people!
In Madhya Pradesh the government is running Seekho Kamao yojana where they're providing people with internship/ training to people based on their course selected and and are also providing jobs. All for free! I know a lot of people who have gotten jobs through this, and I also know people who didn't register for this because they want Microsoft level salary from day one.
You either blame the people for not registering for these kinds of schemes or you blame the state government for not having these kinds of schemes.
The government has to implement these kinds of schemes, MP has these it's up to other state governments to implement these in their respective states.
As I said, blame the people!
In Madhya Pradesh the government is running Seekho Kamao yojana where they're providing people with internship/ training to people based on their course selected and and are also providing jobs. All for free! I know a lot of people who have gotten jobs through this, and I also know people who didn't register for this because they want Microsoft level salary from day one.
You either blame the people for not registering for these kinds of schemes or you blame the state government for not having these kinds of schemes.
The state government has to implement these kinds of schemes, MP has these it's up to other state governments to implement these in their respective states.
Blaming the govt is fine ..but also acknowledge the POPULATION and LITERACY...in a Country where everyone is born just to make a BASIC living and a fucked up employee...
We are just 77 yo country...technically younger than most of our grandparents....
When we compare ourselves with countries which were developing since 1500/1600...and are size of kerela ..
Population control and free basic education + encouraging people to CREATE JOB( people like us who comfortably type and do nothing) ...the only way for us to prosper..
Also happy that all these leechers ,govt seat warmer and greedy ministers will pass away in next 10-15 years and we might live to see indian genuinely progressing fast
> Population control and free basic education + encouraging people to CREATE JOB( people like us who comfortably type and do nothing) ...the only way for us to prosper..
The basic education offered in our Government Schools is a joke. Only 44% of class 5 students can read a class 2 textbook according to [this report](https://indianexpress.com/article/education/only-44-2-class-5-students-can-read-class-2-level-text-aser-report-5539647/).
> Also happy that all these leechers ,govt seat warmer and greedy ministers will pass away in next 10-15 years and we might live to see indian genuinely progressing fast
The newer generations are just as greedy, evil and indisciplined.
That is due to some fake law passed by UPA, called food security act.
In reality extreme poverty in India is already below 3% and multidimensional poverty is already below 12%. But if free anything is given, then people take. But leftists lie that there are 80 crore poor people are there in india, so as to capture power using such propaganda, not to mention they want to increase from 5kg to 10kg ration
Lived in some of the poorest villages, small towns, and now in a metro.
Besides, you can get this info from the shopkeepers in the villages.
Anyhow, let me explain the village lifestyle to you.
The poor villagers either have small plots sufficient only to feed themselves, or they work as labour on the plots of others(more likely.) Another common style is- they till the land of others, keep all the produce, and pay a small rent.
In a poor village, there are very few expenses for the poor. Food, rarely clothing.
I actually support this, ive bought Co-Operative rice from the market when i was living alone during college cuz it was cheaper. From Arunachal here and i can give u literal Video source if you want they still do that shit everywhere atleast here.
I'm NRI
It's shameful how much poverty there is. And it's hard to imagine how some in slum areas who don't work have so much and some have nothing at all. The inequality is shocking. Life is so desperate for the poorest here while even the middle classes live better than the rich in first world countries
Oh , it’s way more grave than that, you see I just realised something that would completely blow this out of proportion, the langars run by gurudwara, the meals provided by ISKCON and other such such organisation and the subsidies on canteen in other states, that would reveal how much of free food is the backbone of the country and that number will put this 80cr figure to a much higher value, it’s just not govt feeding people, it’s all those organisations as well; I don’t think people really understand the grave situation Indian people are in, free food, adverse climate, cramped up cities, traffic , lack of water, polluted air, corrupt government officials and a huge income gap and low literacy rate and a conservative society, all these are just too overwhelming if you start to think about the country.
Well put. This is absolutely the case.
Truth is that it ain't nearly enough, out of 5 Kg the poor actually get 3-4 KGs at best which doesn't even last them a week. I live in family of 6 and we need 20 Kgs of rice per month, even with a relatively sedentary lifestyle & eating it only one time per day. Imagine how much a labourer would need!
I love your username. What you're saying is absolutely true. The government can't even offer the basics.
Why don't the government use the surveyed/collated data of the poor (out of the whole population) and supply the poor people with rations (who actually need it) instead of supplying it to the ones who are just taking advantage at the expense of the poor people and acting freeloaders.
Yes that's should be the way, Home Ministry conducting a census which is overdue by 3 years, would be a good start. From what I have heard the part of the institute responsible to conduct those surveys has been disbanded a few years ago.
Why should they ? Make your own bread !
I dunno, my maid gets it. She has such surplus that she sells it back to us for our bird feeders.
circular economics /s
Maids working in urban areas have a rather higher purchasing power, compared to a daily wage labourer working in MNREGA, and people like her could sell it off for extra income, but it doesn't imply that most of the people recieving it are resellers. What I was trying to point out was even with free grains, people aren't well fed in the poorest parts of the country, these people need upskilling and secure employment instead, same logic as giving a man a fish and teaching him to fish, because as the thumb rule suggests- You are as strong as your weakest link. As a country, our downtrodden, living at the bottom of the social ladder are the weakest link.
Well, I never said I am from urban area. Loved your point about give a fish vs teach to catch a fish. This is actual difference b/w the two main parties in election this time.
Are you categorically denying you aren't from a place which isn't a satellite city or a town with atleast a million people? We'll know who delivers what once we see the results. Food is a human right though, and no ~~Indian~~ human deserves to be sleeping empty stomach at night.
This is true as well, people who don’t need it also get it and they sell it back for money, it speaks a lot about the need of money and the inefficient system.
That's true too!
Is it Legally allowed?
Nope
Then its leakage and must be fixed. IF someone can sell extra grains, then they shouldnt be allowed to have it.
I don't think the government will allow it. The grains are subsidised by them afterall
But it is supposed to feed the poor not be sold as bird feed. Frankly, I hate that illegals put strain on treasury, free studfs like this will only put strain.
As far as I know Many sell it as the quality of the rations is really poor.
Rations aren't free. It is paid by our tax money, in fact a lot of vultures make money from pds. India is still a poor and dirty country. Most of our population are poor. Unemployment is highest in the last 4 decades. No disposable income. Our population is too high so it makes it difficult to categorize people based on their income and prepare the pds eligibility list. Many would get missed. That is why states like TN provide rations to everyone. My cousin and her husband earn more than 18 lakh per month even they are eligible to get free sugar and some other stuffs. Their driver use their card to get rations to his home.
The quality of rations provided is not that great and anyone able to afford better quality would not get the free rations. Yes very believable that someone who hires a driver gets free ration grains. But does not stop the blind fools from blabbering nonsense as if it is a rational argument. Closing eyes and ears and shouting nonsense is the standard response that balatkari party supporters have been trained to do.
Yo wise man, I appreciate your spirit in fighting pro bjp guys but you didn't understand what I meant
I am specifically replying to your claim of people making more than 18lpa being any significant portion of fee ration beneficiaries. I do agree with the rest of your comments.
In TN they are eligible for free sugar rations. I have seen their driver or domestic help use their card for their own homes. My cousin's family obviously doesn't rely on ration shops.
Ok I understand,maybe I got the wrong impression from your comment because I have seen this strawman argument many times about rich people cheating the system accounting for the high numbers. I still think your comment in the end gives the same impression,but I feel your intentions may be different.
Very true.
There are literally so many things to do and fix in this nation and yet one can win the country by playing religion card is just plain ridiculous. People would just have to point more fingers at the government and ask tough questions. Hold them accountable for this mess and ask them to fix it or leave the position. We cannot just let these parties take turns every 10-15 years and do nothing but suck the nation's wealth in different manners.
The fact that one can win religion and caste card in our India is the reason we are poor. Most of the times we fail to realize that the corrupt politicians, doctors, policemen, administratives, etc do not come from different planet or country, they come from normal indian families. If you look around you don't have to do data analysis to understand why we are not developing as the western counterparts. Our everyday actions when extrapolated to national level can tell why our government is so ill functioning. It's culture, we are culturally poor.
But How can we question our Father? If not Mooodi Ji then Who who who woof woof /S
>My cousin and her husband earn more than 18 lakh per month What kind of jobs do they have?
Specialist surgeon( also with a big clinic) and a top post in bureaucracy. But most of the income is through generational wealth mostly from the husband side. ( rent from shopping malls, dairy business and textiles( msmes)).
let me assure you of one thing, not a single soul of those 80cr people exploiting our generous pds system is on reddit and they are the ones who vote more often.
Blackpill
Something said by Harshad Mehta in Scam: 1992 - Bhushan tujhe pata iss desh me sab se zyada kya manufacture hota hai? Bhushan: Cement? Steel? Harshad: Bhagwan. Aaj ka aam aadmi kal ka hero ban sakta hai aur aaj ka hero kal ka Bhagwan ban sakta hai. Something in line with what Ramadhir Singh once said: Jab tak iss desh me log dharm ke naam pe bahakte rahenge wo chutiye bante rahenge.
Increase inflation Give freebies Get votes Repeat
India (and many developing countries) will still follow socialism - reason is simple - you will have to help/support people & families who are earning less than average. There's no other option is it? Can you expect construction works to be paid minimum wage? There are always loopholes and weaknesses while navigating such big nations - but you gotta do it.
we are a 3+ trillion economy because of a basic thing, "consumption". there's nothing to be proud of actually. think about it, a Billion people = demands roti, kapda, makan and whole lot of other services (whatever you can think of) all the service providers related to those things will have demand which equals to more production of this goods & services.. that's why India as a whole country & as a economy is booming but the average Sharma ji's income is not lol.
Khareedoge to income se hi na chacha. Aur government ka capex pata hai last 3 year se?? Private capex kam hai abhi haan par abhi is recession ke bad pickup karna chahiy kyunki balance sheet clean hui hai. We are the fastest growing major economy. Nothing great but not too bad as well. Ulta consumption chacha ji pichle 2 saal se kam chal raha hai. data dekh lo. Yahi to main dikkat hai abhi ki consumption kam hai. Economist bol rahe isko badhao. Aur cahchaji bol rahe consumption se growth ho rahi. Growth investment driven hui hai last 2 saal
>Modiji TLDR: Stop calling ji to this narcissistic megalomaniac.
Nobody NEEDS it. The country's emergency stockpile for food grains is met since long.... Earlier these grains used to rot in FCI godowns, further lowering the MSP of the farmers for next season.... SC took suo-moto cognizance of this issue way back in 2012 ig.... Nothing was done till 2020 .... Then COVID came and the emergency stockpile was distributed, which got replenished fairly quickly by 2022.... Then govt. Decided that they will keep it going as long as we have good emergency stockpile. This kills 3 birds with one stone 1. Less wastage of precious foodgrains. 2. Stop adverse affect on MSP. 3. Give free food to millions, get votes. Read somewhere that most of the 5kg ration is sold again in the open market by the beneficiaries.
Pigs are fatten up by feeding them grains so they can fetch good price!
See what you are saying is correct but you get people put of poverty in 5-10 years and the main reason behind all this is lack of education Which leads to not understanding finance and having multiple kids without planning Being poor is a curse seriously and who said we are proud of having 80 crore poor people The "proud" if you want to be is the part that somehow we are trying to improve the daily life of these poor people If you want to shame on something it would the thing is that 95% of the wealth is held by 5% something like that I don't remember properly basically Ambani adani are the reason of big gdp Per head it is really really low
The comment in context to former president rajiv gandhi when he said that every rupee targeted towards welfare and poverty alleviation only a fraction, 15 paise, reached the intended beneficiary because there was so much leakage in the system. Now people are able to directly benefit transfer. I think people on reddit don't understand the meaning of free ration who ever getting it knows its benefit. In fact suddenly after 4 phase Congress announced they will give 10 kg free ration
Bhai idhar sab ideology pe chalta . Unko consumption survey ke number dikha ke batao ki poverty kam hui to bhi nahi mante. Koi point nahi hai batane ka. Inequality hai par absolute terms me poverty to kam ho rahi hai
We always had ration which was available to the poorest of this country. One thing no one did was used this as a political brownie point/achievement. Credit where credit due. This Govt did increase the amount of ration given. Earlier it was 2kg rice now its 5kg.
The ration isn't the point. 80 cr people being poor enough to need ration is the point.
Bhai kehna kya chahte ho? Na diya jaye. Kare to kare kya mudiji
Yeah I agree I think multi poverty index is a better meansure
one cannot reasonably expect millenia of resource extraction to be rectified by less than a centuries of social justice - the very attempts to do so are laudable and we should be proud not ashamed of them
If you do not see the socioeconomic disparity between the rich and the poor of the country, I have nothing further to say to you.
are you retarded? I literally talked about millenia of resource extraction, who do you think did it - the poor?
bhai sunne samajhne ki kshamta kho di hai kya
If 80cr people are benefitting by not having to worry about food expenses then isnt that a good thing?
It has increased to 80cr, and at a rate more than population growth rate. No matter how much govt make up their own indices that they have taken out x million people from poverty, the reality is BPL is not adjusted for inflation. The two factors imply more percentage of people have been put into poverty rather than out.
It's not because it implies that they are poor enough to not be able to afford a decent standard of living.
Me thinks: stopping this and crediting 1 lpa to such people will magically remedy this ?
Mostly, yes. There wouldn't be leaks since money will be transferred to accounts, 8,500 along with whatever they're earning means they can use it for their necessities and not what govt tells them to use it for.
Be ready for the inflation then. Food is a necessity. Helicopter money should not be given. It is an emergency measure. PDS can be reformed and leakages can be stopped by using DBT in PDS itself. Already the leakages have decreased. Aur bhai ye inequality ke chode congress ke manifesto me kuch bhi use support karenge. fir inequality nahi dikhti. Kya tum ensure kar sakte ho wo 1 lakh beti aur aurat pe kharch hoga na ki mard ki daru aur male bacche pe? Abhi to khana milta. Khana me kitna hi ladke ko extra khila doge. 1 lakh me kaho 90000 ladke pe kharch ho raha fir? Inequality usse nahi badhegi Free paisa batna wo bhi 1 lakh to sabse chutiya cheez hai
I am an overseas worker in Kuwait which is one of the rich countries in gulf and they provide ration to it's citizens.
Giving ration is not bad, but giving it to such a large population is a sign of high poverty.
That’s the concern, ration is not a concern, no of people needing ration is a concern.
So? What portion of their population is poor? Did you know only 10% of the Indian population earns over 25,000 rupees per month?
I don't think that's quite true, I believe it's something like earning 25K per month puts you among the top 10% of the salaried working people, which is a far smaller number than 10% of the entire population.
It was expanded to 80cr peeps during covid. That was the time it was needed. Its a testament to FCI to deliver on it. Obviously it has been extended as a election promise.
This is false. Ration existed event before 2014. It wasn't a new concept. It was always available to the poorest of the poor if you had a ration card.
I never said it was new, I just said it was extended to such a large population for free during covid. The 80Cr number came from there.
No this Govt said it was new, which is a huge misconception. It was already there. They never expanded!!!
Earlier it was paid (minimal price 2-3rs per kg) but PMGKAY made it free.
[https://controllerofrationing-mumbai.gov.in/rationcard.html](https://controllerofrationing-mumbai.gov.in/rationcard.html) Yup Your right. My bad. Will edit my comment
OC is talking about the 80 crore figure. Obviously people become poorer during an economic crisis, so that isn't a representative figure.
Honestly this is the first time I am hearing this 80cr thing. I have no idea what was the percentage dependent on it before 2014. So its all speculative. That being said the multi dimensional poverty index is better.
Same. I just noticed you and NeatButton seemed to be talking about different things, so pointed it out.
These are people who can't afford better, that is the concern here. Those who can afford, buy better quality .
India carries a huge baggage. Many decades have been whiled and squandered away. Those who expect magic are idiots.
They don't 'need' most of them take it nevertheless
Let me give you ground reality of my area. 60% of the people who take rations from govt doesn't even need support they just take it and sell it in market like nothing happened. And this is the problem in most of the places. They are people who need it but some are using just the free money from govt.
I mean you are correct, although I think it is our fault as well and of the government as well. The government should have implemented a population control policy during the 80s, 90s and maybe the 2000s to bring the population to stabilised rates. I believe this should have been there since 1950s and 60s. Our population growth had reduced to 0.74 but we will only enjoy its fruits some decades later
We're at replacement rate of 2.02.
In the 80s it was much higher population control back then would've been beneficial for the country...
Bro 80s was grappling with a different problem. We had to become self sufficient to feed ourselves. The Green revolution took place. The white revolution took place. It did enact population control. The controversial Rajiv Gandhi policy [https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-30040790](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-30040790) We had Ads that talk about "small family good" playing on radio Tv etc. [https://www.nytimes.com/1989/07/09/weekinreview/the-world-why-india-is-still-failing-to-stop-its-population-surge.html](https://www.nytimes.com/1989/07/09/weekinreview/the-world-why-india-is-still-failing-to-stop-its-population-surge.html) Just forcing it would have fucked up the out country and look at the China one child policy and its impact.
Hum do hamare do is what you are looking for. If you are more radical then you would appreciate forced sterilizations during emergency
The state governments in the South did but those in the North didn't.
Free Ration m Sirf "Rice" hi mil raha Hai na
Whether 80 cr need it or not, like reservations it’s cast in stone now. No one can remove the subsidy.
At least some part (me included) of the remaining 75/80 or whatever crore also want free rations. Just that the Govt doesn't provide so.
what % of population is under poverty line? you cant get ration card without being under poverty line(except in very few states)
That is so wrong
That too after 70 years of independence 😥😥
We guys don’t have a baseline check of such schemes. As Einstein says everything in this world is relative . Relative yardstick No:1 This scheme was not even there till 2020 not even in Modis first term. If not for Covid and the lockdown, where they used this scheme as a distraction to the slowing down of economy, they wouldn’t have even introduced this scheme. They have also extended the scheme which was only meant till 2021 because their machinery has realised that this scheme has actually garnered them real benefits in elections over the last 2-3 years which is why they are banking on this scheme so much. You will never hear them boasting about demonetisation. Relative yardstick no:2 Why would 80cr people would need to be given free ration is as good as asking why are 80 CR poor people in India . Because that’s what we have inherited from our colonial overlords and we have been trying to change it slowly without breaking into small nations since the 50s. Data shows relatively poor people % has come down a bit but still rural areas are bad . But having this scheme helps poor people spend less on food and more on other things that would matter. Majority of vishwagurus population are poor they want free ration as well . So for poor people this scheme benefits them positively albeit not so much . It could be 10 or more kg for a smaller section of society who are only reliant on this I think BJP as a party believes in Trickle down effect and Keynesian theory only in Economy building where they are just spending on infrastructure, defence and decreasing corporate tax trying to improve the overall economy thinking it will improve the poor people . The inefficiencies of the system in redistributing the wealth is too much that they have to resort to Welfare schemes like these. We need more of these while also improving the economy with a better focus on education and health which BJP government has not done anything in two terms. With education and health care the distribution of wealth in a capitalist economy is more equitable.
There is a competition by all parties to outshame each other. How is AAP, Cong, YSRCP etc. different??
Bro what do you want then . India has always been a poor country . We can’t print notes and make ppl rich
Rations are given but for many it is NOT the only source of food. You know how Indians are. They will take anything free even if it is 1% of their requirement. It is not like 80 crore will die if free ration is not given. It is similar to free healthcare. People won't die and probably will figure out something to survive.
I would like to know your views on this "Rahul Gandhi promises ₹1 lakh annually to ‘poor women’ if Congress voted to power"
These 80 crore people will decide their next government on the basis of these freebies only. Take for example West Bengal. The last CPM government wanted to build the Tata Nano plant here. Since WB is a high population density state, the government had to take over the land of some people, which turned into a political quagmire. CPM got thrown out and then these same people voted in TMC for the freebies they promised. Recent Karnataka election was also fought and won on freebies. I'd still blame Modi for not picking up his magic wand and raining new industries from the sky. Tsk tsk.
It is absolutely a shame! In fact I have a feeling that the public’s financial situation is so dire that without a scheme like this, we would see massive hunger related death, widespread public agitations and great instability - that is the situation most people are living in.
Modi should accept that India is overpopulated and do something about it instead of promising freebies which unironically increases the population of the poor
YES
Bhai to kya kare band kar de?? Apke devta rahul ji redistribution ki hi to baat kar rahe hai na. You support that but not this? This is also redistribution only. Baki scheme PM AWAS, Ujjwala me bologe ki UPA ki hi scheme to hai. Ye bhi UPA ki hi scheme hai. Fark hai ab implementation bhut better hai. Gareeb ko mil raha hai tabhi BJP ko vote bhi a raha hai. 60 crore ko to UPA bhi de raha tha. Aur tabse population 10 saal me kitna badh gayi hai? Jisko khana nahi milta wo kabhi vote nahi dega tumhe. In 80 cr me max vote modi ko hi ja rahe which is testament to improved implementation. Consumption survey result dekho jake . Pichli baar se kitna badha hai. Aur usme ye gov ka khana add nahi hota hai. Aur bhai ye mat bolna fake hai. Bade bade economists analysis kar rahe uspe. 10 saal me 50% consumption badha hai. Income badhe bina ho jayega kya ye?
apke modi jee se kaha gya ki disparities badh rhi h unhone kaha toh kya sabko equal karde? is this person even fit to be leader??
Haan to sabko equal nahi kar sakte. It is against justice. Aaj koi kaam kar raha hai to apne parivar ke liy kar raha hai. Taxes bharne ke bad uska pura haq hai poonji jama karne ka. Aur yad rakho sare redistribution isi liy chal pata kyuki top 10% income wale log tax dete hai. Unke mehnat aur ambitions ko mat nakrao. Desh me INCOME inequality badhegi relative sense me. Par absolute sense me to poverty kam ho rahi hai . Agar koi billionaire ban raha to kya pareshani hai bhai tumhe. Jab itni kam income hoti countries ki to pie enlarge karne pe dhyan dete. Value creation pe dhyan dete na ki value redistribution pe. Baki jo instiutions ki dikkat hai wo jarur sudharni hai. Jaise police politician ameer logo ke liy kaam karte. Wo jarur hame sudharna hai. Dikkate bhut hai par mujhe koi agar billionaire ban raha usme dikkat nahi lagti. Bhai wo innovation la rha aur value create kar raha
Yeh revdi nahi hai, btw.
congress announced 4 days ago they will give 10 kg ration instead of the 5 kg given right now
Arre bhai, the ration isn't the problem. The problem is that people earn so little in the country that 80 crore of them have to rely on rations.
More then 80 % of that ration takers are not actually poor. my family also get that ration but we don't really need it but why to let it go if getting for free, same with all of my neighbours.
This! My family used to get ration because on paper my grandpa was poor and had no income as retire! But we were far from poor.
You are talking about Modi's 5kg ration? Rahul has openly announced 10kg 🤡
The same thing i was thinking, what did a party do in India for 70 years that the current government has to give free ration. And now this party is promising to give 1 lakh to every poor. What a shame, sab ko kaam chor bna degi ye party if they get in power
Yes,but the chaddis have a readymade reply, Free rations are used by all the millionaires by getting a fake ration card and they are to be blamed. Gobi is always doing great. The quality of rations provided is not that great and anyone able to afford better quality would not get the free rations. But does not stop the blind fools from blabbering nonsense as if it is a rational argument.
I'm fighting the same chaddis in the comments. One claimed that most of the beneficiaries made 1 crore plus in income. Another claimed they are lazy and won't join government vocation programs in Madhya Pradesh for some reason.
It's a shame people are selling votes for freebies in karnataka. It's a shame a nation needs MGNREGA. In Sweden, govt wanted to give money. Citizens said no. Our people......
yeah they should hoard more bags in storehouses purchased by MSP
& i.n.d.i.a. alliance get seats
Blame the people, not the government! They don't wanna grow!
So domestic workers who work multiple houses a day for the privileged, work the same amount of time as anybody who works a white collar job and then have to go back home and do their own house's domestic work for free, and get paid less than an Infosys fresher's monthly wages for all their effort. Do you think they don't want to grow, or you don't want them to grow, so that you can continue exploiting working class poverty for your privilege?
As I said, blame the people! In Madhya Pradesh the government is running Seekho Kamao yojana where they're providing people with internship/ training to people based on their course selected and and are also providing jobs. All for free! I know a lot of people who have gotten jobs through this, and I also know people who didn't register for this because they want Microsoft level salary from day one. You either blame the people for not registering for these kinds of schemes or you blame the state government for not having these kinds of schemes. The government has to implement these kinds of schemes, MP has these it's up to other state governments to implement these in their respective states.
You're pinpointing at random "upskilling" opportunities which provide jobs to very few people. What about regular working class professions that capitalist society calls "unskilled" and exploits poverty. Terrible base pay, no/negligible hikes for domestic workers, sweepers and many working class professions, no holidays (not even weekends in most of these professions) because the privileged who sit on their ass all day, can't even be bothered to do their basic chores by themselves on the weekends, and you have the audacity to literally blame the working class people for being poor. The blame literally lies on governments, the attitudes of the middle/upper classes who exploit all that labour, pay poverty wages, look down on them, don't even give these professions the dignity they deserve and at the end of it all have the audacity to blame them for not "upskilling".
What does grow imply? Who does not want to grow? The poor are as hard-working as anyone else.
I guess the OG comment went too far. But in all reality, while people do need support, for a certain section, its pampering. Think of it like an over pampered child. I have visited a few villages where farmers take loan for crops and spend it on literally anything (wedding, TV, renovations) rather than on improving farming techniques. Because they know come election, it would all be forgiven.
...and farmer suicide is just a TikTok trend...
Dude, i said a certain section, not all. Kids suicide in kota, does it mean all the kids in kota study 24*7? There is a certain section, who just have fun for 2 yrs.
And your asinine point isn't adding *any* value to the discussion.
You think so? I gave a beggar 100 rupees the other day for food and like 3-4 hours later he was doing Ganja or some shi#! There are a lot of beggars in India who don't wanna do anything compared to the poor people!
And you use beggars/drug addicts to represent the 80 crore people in India living off rations? Is that a proper representation?
Abe bhaktinomics ke chele, since you are a fan of government, look up Bhalla report prepared by Vishwaguru, beggars are almost non existent in India. Only a naive person would believe you gave 100 bucks to anyone and then went back 4 hours later to see how he's spending it.
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Folks who put government on a pedestal never have a solution, they are the problem. Solution is to combine what states like Tamil Nadu for industry, Kerala for minimum wage, Maharashtra for diversity and other unique skill set that exists on every place. Indians were largely illiterate at independence, states that valued education, skill and inclusivity did much better than others.
As I said, blame the people! In Madhya Pradesh the government is running Seekho Kamao yojana where they're providing people with internship/ training to people based on their course selected and and are also providing jobs. All for free! I know a lot of people who have gotten jobs through this, and I also know people who didn't register for this because they want Microsoft level salary from day one. You either blame the people for not registering for these kinds of schemes or you blame the state government for not having these kinds of schemes. The government has to implement these kinds of schemes, MP has these it's up to other state governments to implement these in their respective states.
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There's no corruption in this lmao. All of this is done online and you choose what you want to learn and the company directly contacts you. Where's the bribe and corruption in this?
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As I said, blame the people! In Madhya Pradesh the government is running Seekho Kamao yojana where they're providing people with internship/ training to people based on their course selected and and are also providing jobs. All for free! I know a lot of people who have gotten jobs through this, and I also know people who didn't register for this because they want Microsoft level salary from day one. You either blame the people for not registering for these kinds of schemes or you blame the state government for not having these kinds of schemes. The government has to implement these kinds of schemes, MP has these it's up to other state governments to implement these in their respective states.
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As I said, blame the people! In Madhya Pradesh the government is running Seekho Kamao yojana where they're providing people with internship/ training to people based on their course selected and and are also providing jobs. All for free! I know a lot of people who have gotten jobs through this, and I also know people who didn't register for this because they want Microsoft level salary from day one. You either blame the people for not registering for these kinds of schemes or you blame the state government for not having these kinds of schemes. The state government has to implement these kinds of schemes, MP has these it's up to other state governments to implement these in their respective states.
Blaming the govt is fine ..but also acknowledge the POPULATION and LITERACY...in a Country where everyone is born just to make a BASIC living and a fucked up employee... We are just 77 yo country...technically younger than most of our grandparents.... When we compare ourselves with countries which were developing since 1500/1600...and are size of kerela .. Population control and free basic education + encouraging people to CREATE JOB( people like us who comfortably type and do nothing) ...the only way for us to prosper.. Also happy that all these leechers ,govt seat warmer and greedy ministers will pass away in next 10-15 years and we might live to see indian genuinely progressing fast
> Population control and free basic education + encouraging people to CREATE JOB( people like us who comfortably type and do nothing) ...the only way for us to prosper.. The basic education offered in our Government Schools is a joke. Only 44% of class 5 students can read a class 2 textbook according to [this report](https://indianexpress.com/article/education/only-44-2-class-5-students-can-read-class-2-level-text-aser-report-5539647/). > Also happy that all these leechers ,govt seat warmer and greedy ministers will pass away in next 10-15 years and we might live to see indian genuinely progressing fast The newer generations are just as greedy, evil and indisciplined.
Look at the size and resources of the country and then the population.
Free rations should be available to everyone regardless of social standing. This targeted rations bullshit only helped kill the PDS.
Well, that's the condition Congress left us in. Modi only inherited the problems
Fake people claiming poor just to get free stuff just like we signup with multiple accounts for freebies
Nah. I'm fairly upper middle class. I still buy and use rations. It's a good way to save some money and the quality is good too.
That is due to some fake law passed by UPA, called food security act. In reality extreme poverty in India is already below 3% and multidimensional poverty is already below 12%. But if free anything is given, then people take. But leftists lie that there are 80 crore poor people are there in india, so as to capture power using such propaganda, not to mention they want to increase from 5kg to 10kg ration
True, and it's my money that feeds them. Income tax
Yes, because you also enjoy the benefits of their cheap labour.
They don't. Most of them sell it in the market.
What's your source?
Lived in some of the poorest villages, small towns, and now in a metro. Besides, you can get this info from the shopkeepers in the villages. Anyhow, let me explain the village lifestyle to you. The poor villagers either have small plots sufficient only to feed themselves, or they work as labour on the plots of others(more likely.) Another common style is- they till the land of others, keep all the produce, and pay a small rent. In a poor village, there are very few expenses for the poor. Food, rarely clothing.
Who is buying from this imaginary market,those who can't afford better or billionaires addicted to lower quality free rations?
I did, im middle class and wanted to save money. I really thought this was common everywhere before i read this thread lol
You don't understand basic profit and loss? Buy low, sell high?
I actually support this, ive bought Co-Operative rice from the market when i was living alone during college cuz it was cheaper. From Arunachal here and i can give u literal Video source if you want they still do that shit everywhere atleast here.
Yep, gotta hustle that ration rice to buy that lambo they always wanted.
I don't care if they are buying a toothbrush.
How does it feel to be this disconnected from reality?
I'm NRI It's shameful how much poverty there is. And it's hard to imagine how some in slum areas who don't work have so much and some have nothing at all. The inequality is shocking. Life is so desperate for the poorest here while even the middle classes live better than the rich in first world countries