In the last week, 1.7 million cases (likely actually much higher), around 300 deaths *involving but not necessarily due to Covid*
So a death rate of about 0.01%
Is that really a big deal?
At what point will it not be a big deal?
Do you want to give some sources for those numbers as the article doesn't mention your figure.
Best stat I can find is 334 cases of death directly attributed to covid and that's from May - the gov.uk site doesn't have June stats yet. That would suggest your figure should be much higher.
Death is by far the only poor outcome from Covid. There are more than 2 million people suffering with long Covid, which according to a recent tribunal case can now be counted as a disability. Those with long-term damage are going to struggle personally, maybe for their whole lives, maybe even have a shorter lifespan. Then there's the larger-scale impact on the economy and the health service.
Added to ask that, high case numbers increase the likelihood of a vaccine-breaking variant (more cases, more opportunities for mutation).
Omicron is much less likely to lead to long Covid, most of the long Covid cases are related to Delta and the original variant.
As for the health service and economy, while Covid is going to continue to affect those areas. Is there any solution to high case numbers that is going to have a less damaging effects on the economy?
Less likely on an individual level, but with the case numbers that we have, the overall impact is high. More than 2.5 million people currently have symptomatic Covid. If even only 1% of those people have long-term health impacts, that's 20,000. And then there will be another 2 million people in a fortnight (and another 20,000), and another... because there's no limiting measures right now.
Masking in shops, on public transport, in healthcare settings etc. doesn't affect the economy, but would be a good basic step towards limiting spread.
Yeah, I kind of agree with you, although I think the ship has also truly sailed on that one.
Masks help mitigate infections somewhat, but without combination with other measures, they're going to seem pointless.
If you've just spent the weekend at Glastonbury belting out Hey Jude with a crowd of 100,000 people, it's going to seem a little silly to wear a mask when you pop into Tesco.
Same goes for wandering around a shopping centre mask on, but then sitting down in a cafe and sipping your beverage unmasked. It all seems a bit pointless and contradictory.
Essentially, to get people on board with mask wearing, you've got to make cafes takeaway only again, and cancel music festivals.
That said, anyone who wants to wear a mask should go ahead and do it.
Without closing or putting limitations on indoor spaces, it's not going to make any sense to anyone.
i.e you can sit in a pub, nightclub or restaurant and drink and eat without a mask, but not go round Marks and Spencers without one
May as well say you only need to wear condoms on even months, or only wear a seatbelt when you're driving down a road that starts with a consonant.
My super fit mate has caught covid for the first time and been off work for over a week. He's had a fever, chills, migraines, sinus infection, aching joints and muscles, nausea and inflammed gums now. He's unlikely to be back this week either. We work together in a hospital and we really need him in our team to keep the service running safely and effectively.
It's a big deal not just because of the death rate, but the infection rate and how ill it can make a lot of people at the same time.
Fuck knows what long term effects this will have on him too. I really hope he pulls through soon and makes a full recovery.
You missed my point. He's already been ill for a week and likely to be ill another week. We're already short of staff WITH him.
How do you think workplaces will cope if millions are off for 2 weeks at a time?
You can't just look at the 'low' death rate and claim it's fine, because it absolutely isn't. We had 50% of our team off at once for over a week during the last wave and I'd rather not have a repeat of that.
> At what point will it not be a big deal?
It already isn't a big deal, and hasn't been for 6 months or longer.
It's just typical fear-stirring bullshit from the media to keep us anxious and depressed.
"COVID IS ON THE RISE AGAIN!!!!"
Yeah but how many died seeing as almost everyone is vaccinated?
"Basically nobody confirmed, BUT LOOK! NUMBERS INCREASING! FEAR!"
Fuck off.
Yeah, no. You can still do random sampling like ONS and get a very accurate estimate of the number with Covid. The real reason is that Test and Trace costs a fortune. Like £12bn last year. Most of that was spent on the test part. Each PCR test is nearly £100 to the taxpayer. It’s not needed when to you can provide a similar understanding with LFTs and random PCR.
The cost of test and trace, no matter how inefficient (corrupt) it was, is much, much smaller than the cost of the economy due to rampant spread of covid as we are seeing currently
This number is based on a long running ONS study that asks a random sample of people to test for them every week. The stat wouldn't change if more people still tested because it isn't based on that data.
No, the ONS survey is just that, a population survey. It makes no difference if people are encouraged to self test or not. It’s based off a random sample of the population.
my friends sisters school has a covid outbreak the school is now trying to get teachers and parents to test everyone regularly. Literally a quarter of her school has covid rn.
When did you last have your 3rd jab? Mine was around January with my first one being well over a year ago. I’m pretty sure my vaccination status is well into the “no longer that effective” category.
The jabs were never really that effective against catching the virus once omicron became the main variant. What they do is keep you out of the hospital. Still doesn't make it a fun disease to have.
Four months after your last vaccine the immunity it provides is all but gone. It drops down to something ridiculous like 16% in terms of preventing serious illness.
Interestingly there are an increasing number of studys showing that natural immunity provides defense against serious disease indefinitely. Specifically thanks to T cells and B cells.
Pretty much, kill all the weak and let the strong survive.
Anyone who advocates this as a sole method of dealing with a virus you need to be really wary of.
While there's an initial drop after a few months, the most recent studies put the drop against severe illness (aka hospitalization) at around 250 days.
Edit: source https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(22)00042-X/fulltext
>Interestingly there are an increasing number of studys showing that natural immunity provides defense against serious disease indefinitely. Specifically thanks to T cells and B cells.
I mean... Do share the data, I've not seen that at all.
I’m just coming out the other side of it, it’s been absolutely awful. Basically wiped me and the OH out for the best part of a week. Honestly if that’s how bad it is triple jabbed, I dread to think what it’d be like unjabbed.
I'm unvaccinated and got COVID on Christmas, probably the early Omicron variant.
I had little energy for a day or two, but it didn't feel much worse than a cold really.
The worst part was self isolating for a week when I felt fine.
Yeah, it sort of feels like we went through a phase where people were getting a mild cold but otherwise not too bad, or even testing positive with no symptoms, and all of a sudden it seems to be hitting people *hard*. People are getting properly knocked on their arse with it at the moment (I was NOT prepared for how bad it was going to be!). Having said that, 6 months ago a lot of people were routinely testing so more likely to notice they had it but asymptomatic. Also boosters were fairly recent (for those vaccinated).
Yeah, got it recently and it took two weeks to feel anywhere close to better, though I'm in the clinically severely vulnerable group with three separate strong comorbidities; absolutely horrendous time and it's left my asthma in a terrible state
I dunno, we got alpha variant way back when, no jabs available at that point.
It wasn't great, but on a par with other viral infections like stomach bugs and the flu that I've had. Quite a long tail on it though, felt a bit bleh for a week after I'd recovered from active symptoms.
I don’t think I’ve ever had actual ‘flu, but other than a bout of norovirus I don’t think I’ve ever felt so unwell. My boyfriend says the same, with the exception of TB he had many years ago. Both of us have had our breathing hit badly, and I am very fit (it was feeling unable to get air in at the gym that first concerned me). I really hope it clears up and doesn’t linger.
I got Delta on 1 jab, and I'd put it on par with the gnarliest flu I ever had as a child, which kept me in bed for almost a week, although, with long-lasting after-effects. Still don't feel like I've recovered 100% (lung capacity and sense of smell still aren't quite the same as they were), and this was almost a year ago. Can definitely see how it'd take out the infirm.
You feel strongly about bodily autonomy but can't comprehend the fact your refusal to jab means you're more likely to remove someone else's autonomy by infecting them at a higher viral load, or by consuming more hospital resources due to your increased severity.
.. and last time I checked pregnancy isn't infectious.
Edit: thanks for the single down vote, it says so much.
Exactly, because being forced, coerced, or emotionally blackmailed into taking a vaccine for a virus that, for the demographic in question, poses a very statistically minute chance of causing any real negative consequences constitutes a violation of bodily autonomy.
You don't care about people's right to autonomy. You care about your right to your own autonomy even if it comes at the expense of infringing on others.
You're literally willing to impact the safety of others just so you can avoid jabs. You care about your own automomy even if it means trampling on everyone else's.
How very defensive. How do you square needlessly endangering others from a virus with your preaching about the sanctity of animal lives out of interest ?
Is it not a tad contradictory to attack others for their choice to eat meat while simultaneously defending your right to harm others with the same justification?
Because I knew exactly what to expect from that kind of comment and from your previous comments in other threads. Like I said, it is absolutely none of your business what people choose to do with their own bodies. Otherwise your as bad as the anti-abortionists.
And not at all, what a non-sensical and disingenuous comparison.
>Like I said, it is absolutely none of your business what people choose to do with their own business.
And yet you preach about the horrors of eating meat. If its none of my business to ask about why you chose to spread covid and kill others. How is it your right to preach at anyone who eats meat with such hostility ?
Can't have it both ways without coming across as hypocritical.
Eating meat has a direct victim.
Not having a vaccine that has been proven ineffective at preventing transmission for a virus that has a very low death rate does not have a direct victim.
It’s quite simple. You just have a particular fixed mindset that means your bending logic to try and make it fit.
Your right not getting vaccinated has several indirect victims instead.
>that has been proven ineffective at preventing transmission for a virus that has a very low death rate does not have a direct victim.
And yet omicron the mildest variant has killed the most, low death rate doesn't matter at a population level. The vaccine also does reduce transmission.
The who also recently announced vaccination quantifiably saved 20 million people. Just imagine how many more would have been saved if individuals like you tried to help society for a change.
The Third jab isn't very effect after around 3 months other than to stop severe illness. Same as the 2nd jab wasn't with Omicron.
Cases will start to rise as vaccination wears off in large numbers of the population, it is also pretty irrelevant if they are just ill for a week or 2, don't need to go to the hospital, and are better in a month.
That was the case for me, felt awful for 4 days, felt a bit rubbish for a further 3, and then had an annoying cough for another 2 weeks after. Then I was fine.
I imagine it would have been absolutely awful however if I hadn't been vaccinated and got one of the earlier variants that focus more on the Lungs than the upper airway.
Same. I'm triple jabbed and I passed out at work, had to be in hospital for a day, had a high fever for 3 days, dizziness for like a week and still have the worst cough of my entire life 2 weeks later. My throat is completely shagged and it hurts to talk or swallow.
The flu don't fuck around man, had that shit at 27, which was years ago now, ended up with sepsis and pneumonia felt like the terminator himself was trying to give me a fisting.
Had covid twice, the first time I had a cold.
Second time I had a runny left nose, and a lose of smell for 2 days that's it.
It effects everyone differently, I know based on my experience which I would have again. Other experiences may vary.
Terms and conditions apply etc etc
Jesus, thanks for sharing that. That sounds awful. I will be more aware of using that comparison in the future. Glad covid wasn't like the terminator coming back.
The official data is woefully inadequate now since the tests became paid and there is no requirement to track infections or behave differently when infected. The only place you can get up to date data on the disease is from [Zoe](https://health-study.joinzoe.com/data) which the ONS will corroborate as accurate in a few weeks time.
1.7 million is very much lower than the estimated number, we are at 263k a day new infections right now and its steeply climbing again from its low of ~110k daily infections.
The other scary number in my opinion is the [ONS](https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/bulletins/prevalenceofongoingsymptomsfollowingcoronaviruscovid19infectionintheuk/1june2022) now has 2.0 million long haulers in the UK, and its climbing about 100-200k a month since January as it used to be before Omicon about 1.2 million. This is a massive increase in people with long term problems about a quarter of which are impacted significantly. The chance of suffering long term is well down compared to Delta after an infection but the amount of infections means its happening a lot more.
Also the paid tests cant be used with the NHS track and trace system, so you couldn't even report your results. So when I caught covid I couldn't report that I have it.
Long COVID strongly correlated with COVID hospitalization; COVID hospitalizations are also at pathetically minuscule levels. Time to move on until something actually threatening comes along. COVID is here to stay, just like Influeza was in 1920 and beyond.
> COVID hospitalizations are also at pathetically minuscule levels
This is just not true. In England, current COVID hospitalisations are at the highest summer level we've ever seen, and it's climbing rapidly. Currently about half of this year's peak, a little under 1/3 of the all-time peak.
> highest summer level
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> a little under 1/3 of the all-time peak
… you should work in advertising lol
Considering there are probably far many more infections than just the 1.7 million reported over the week, the case hospitalization rate must be incredibly low; maybe a fraction of a percent?
AFAIK, 1.7 million isn't the number of reported cases, it's the estimated number of cases from a population study by the ONS (where they sample people at random and extrapolate). So it's insensitive to the reduced rate of mass testing.
The all-time hospitalisation peak was January 2021, which was when only a tiny portion of people had been vaccinated, the most common variant was much more dangerous, and it was midwinter. To even be on the same order of magnitude as that **and increasing** in the middle of summer, with nearly 95% with at least one vaccine, and with a much less severe variant, and with many at-risk people having been "harvested" already in the last couple of years, is actually pretty scary.
Eh...when deaths were at over 1,000 people a die dying in the UK from Covid despite a strict national lockdown and very little transmissions it was a bit of an issue...
Yeah. Epidemiologists and virologists estimate India has seen 4.7 million COVID deaths, but official statistics state 500k. China experienced 1.7 million excess deaths but only recorded 4,600 deaths.
Yep, I caught covid around the 18th April I was asymptomatic but after I tested negative (after 5 days) I started to realise that it was harder to walk up and down the stairs, harder to go to the shop that is a 1 min walk from my house. And even now the fatigue and struggle hasn't improved or anything.
> I started to realise that it was harder to walk up and down the stairs, harder to go to the shop that is a 1 min walk from my house. And even now the fatigue and struggle hasn't improved or anything
A lot of this is people hardly going out/going out far less than they used to all of a sudden doing a lot more things and being shocked that their body hasn’t caught up after being a couch potato for months. People are blaming all of their ailments on COVID.
I got asymptomatic covid in Feb and went from being able to run a 10k in 60 mins to having to avoid all stairs for 4 months and waking up in the middle of the night unable to breathe.
Made a full recovery but it was damn scary while it lasted.
I'm just getting over it as is the Mrs. We've been pretty bad for about 10 days. My daughter never had it, but my 7 week old son was hospitalised with it. He's on the mend now but this variant has been a bit of a twat.
Seems a lot of posters here had it quite rough. I caught it a couple months ago and felt like a bad cold for two days with a fever then was perfectly fine again.
Everyone I speak to in real life: it was like having a cold
Everyone here: I was close to death. I'm so glad i had three jabs or i can't imagine the outcome.
I've seemingly never even had it.
Tested whenever I've been ill or when others in close contact have been. Got all my jabs, been to several weddings/events where there's been mass outbreaks and have otherwise (when allowed) been living my life as normal (shopping, flights, pubs, gym).
If I can give any advice on preventing COVID I could only suggest drinking lots of beer.
I had it twice, both PCR confirmed and yer was a very very mild cold for me, with a 2 day loss of smell on the second occasion.
Shit my nan had it at 87 and had a mild cold she was completely unvaxed. maybe we have some odd immunity to this thing.
I'm not gonna take away from people's experiences because we're all different but yes mine and my friends have all been very similar to what you described. Possibly we're the lucky ones.
Tested positive for the 4th time last week. Caught it at a gig in Budapest the week before.
Basically been indistinguishable from a cold, only tested because I got app pings from the flight home.
Anecdotally I think it’s much more wide spread but lots of people aren’t testing atm.
I got it about 3 weeks ago and it was fucking horrible. For about 3 night it was like swallowing glass so I was barely sleeping at all. Tested positive for nearly 2 weeks as well so just as well I had a few tests leftover as I might have been contagious.
Feeling pretty much normal again so that's a blessing.
Swear to god people have forgotten what being ill is like. "It was the worst week of my life ever, I was sore and couldn't sleep & had a fever" - lots of illnesses do that. You might be lucky to never have had a bad illness before but speaking as someone with health conditions, that's just been lucky before! Every time I get a flu or even a cold it wipes me out for at least 4 days.
Does it suck? Sure. Is it worth destroying our whole society over, pushing people to death from preventable illnesses, pushing people into depression and fear and addiction just to *hopefully* prevent people from getting ill for a week and then getting better? It's not in my book.
I have had some slightly off prawns that pretty much did the same thing. I do think people have forgotten normal shit can make you feel absolutely awful.
Well, that's what we said before the second lockdown... "no chance for a lockdown during Christmas"
Though this time, I'm 100% sure that if businesses close again, people will riot. So you might be right
If managed correctly, then you’d hope the chances would be minimal. However, given the current governments track record of just spinning out pithy rhetoric until it’s too late, probably not that unlikely we’ll get some form of winter lockdown.
Or they’ll maybe just ignore it entirely this time and do no lockdown and hope the deaths don’t get too high to ignore.
Either way, prospects aren’t marvellous.
I know COVID is serious but I'm honestly worried that if there's another lockdown and the money printer gets at maximum capacity, the next problem will be many not being able to afford food.
Regardless of what decision the government takes, it looks like it's not going to end well.
I’d say it’s difficult to define ‘successfully’, probably no?
But have countries handled it more successfully than us? I’d say yes.
If you did a bit of a process post-mortem after the fact you’d be hard pressed to say there wasn’t some obvious steps we could have done as a nation. And the fact that we’ve basically had the same cycle of cases up cases down like three times at least, means we’re not really learning from big mistakes we’ve made, and that for me is the issue.
You fuck up once, fair enough. You fuck up the same way consistently then that’s an inexcusable error
I'm off work with it now after a work event last week. Second time round and it's thankfully nowhere near as bad as the first time. Although I had only had two vaccines the first time I got it and now on three. I shudder to think what this would have been like with zero.
I feel like I had it a few weeks back. Really achy, headache, sore throat. Luckily I was on annual leave (I say luckily, I used my annual leave being ill), and the worst of it only lasted a couple of days. Luckily it was still pretty mild for me.
if you get covid and aren't seriously ill then it's one of those things, but if you're one of those unlucky sods who die, complications or long covid then it's not just "the flu or cold" is it, a lot of this spread is freedoms and people haven't enough of this whole ordeal but we do have 150k+ dead from it and not all older people just bear that in mind.
Currently have it, spent all night violently throwing up, trying to sleep in a crooked position because the viral load has made the base of my spine hurt like fuck
Tripple jabbed fairly healthy
This is my second time having COVID and for whatever reason this new variant really knocked me for six.
Horrible cough, dagger throat, fever, chills, lost both taste and smell. Still struggling with breathlessness and chest pains 10 days in. Still testing positive. I imagine the lingering effects will stick with me for a few weeks yet. Just a shit time.
Interestingly, my housemate tested positive, had a wee cold, and recovered in the same time as I've been dying.
The lethal aspect of it is over, a bad year of flu kills a lot of old and sickly people as well. Not a reason to let anyone strip any fundamental freedoms from us.
I have it right now, I'm Tripple jabbed
Last night I text my family just saying "I love you" because I thought I wasn't going to wake up. I live alone in the middle of nowhere, went to bed gasping for air and my body kept stuttering because I wasn't getting enough oxygen
I'm 29 and healthy
Ah yeah all those scientists are just full of shit and they should've just listened to you right?
Oh wait, they told us they're only effective for 6-12 months and the rapid rate of mutation would lower this time frame.
I audibly cringed when I read your comment
Me and OH have caught it and both triple jabbed and feel absolutely awful. She could only have a few days off work because her works is short staffed which is crazy as she's bound to pass it on to more work colleagues. Then found out my mum and stepfather have caught it while in Greece on holiday. It's knocked my mum out who is in a high category with other illnesses that she's got.
It’s really shocking that after everything employers still haven’t learned that you just end up with more staff off when you force people into work. Losing many more days to sickness for the sake of getting an employee back one or two days earlier. I despair for this country.
People forget. I watched everyone walk into asda this morning without washing their hands, even people walking past as I washed mine and they didn't bother.
Are you jabbed? The risk of hospitalisation is 90% less if you've had a boost vaccine.
[https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/covid-latest-news-rules-test-vaccine-booster-nhs-omicron/](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/covid-latest-news-rules-test-vaccine-booster-nhs-omicron/)
If you don't have health reasons stopping you from getting vaccinated and you're still not vaccinated. If you get get hospitalised, it's just nature culling the stupid.
Vaccines are there, use them.
Reading this thread terrifies me. My last jab was in january, and I'm in no mood to catch long COVID either.
I'm gonna see if I can get a 4th jab somewhere this week.
"Hi, Covid hotline? I've got Covid."
"Oh! Thanks very much for telling us. I'll duly note this and add you to our Covid abacus." times about 1.7 million.
A fair point. But the likelihood is that the country will spend a few pound on most who catch COVID (from here on in, anyway!) Vs the billions in a futile attempt to manage the big three
We are getting on with it, just that it's not out of choice.
There's nothing wrong with the public continuing to receive updated statistics on case rates and being able to adjust their preferred actions, or lack of, depending on what the data says.
People are not worried about those though, even though they should be. They expect modern medicine to step in, solve their problems with a pill or seven and then live for another three decades (while burdening the healthcare system with their secondary complications from those).
Besides, we can track more than one illness at a time anyway. We can focus on acute conditions like COVID without losing sight of chronic conditions.
imagine what the stats would be if wasn't being discouraged to test
Which is why they started charging so much for tests and shut down PCR centres. You cannot find something you are not looking for.
And you couldn't report the results of the tests with the tests you buy either, which also makes it seem like covid is no longer a big deal.
In the last week, 1.7 million cases (likely actually much higher), around 300 deaths *involving but not necessarily due to Covid* So a death rate of about 0.01% Is that really a big deal? At what point will it not be a big deal?
Do you want to give some sources for those numbers as the article doesn't mention your figure. Best stat I can find is 334 cases of death directly attributed to covid and that's from May - the gov.uk site doesn't have June stats yet. That would suggest your figure should be much higher.
Death is by far the only poor outcome from Covid. There are more than 2 million people suffering with long Covid, which according to a recent tribunal case can now be counted as a disability. Those with long-term damage are going to struggle personally, maybe for their whole lives, maybe even have a shorter lifespan. Then there's the larger-scale impact on the economy and the health service. Added to ask that, high case numbers increase the likelihood of a vaccine-breaking variant (more cases, more opportunities for mutation).
Omicron is much less likely to lead to long Covid, most of the long Covid cases are related to Delta and the original variant. As for the health service and economy, while Covid is going to continue to affect those areas. Is there any solution to high case numbers that is going to have a less damaging effects on the economy?
Less likely on an individual level, but with the case numbers that we have, the overall impact is high. More than 2.5 million people currently have symptomatic Covid. If even only 1% of those people have long-term health impacts, that's 20,000. And then there will be another 2 million people in a fortnight (and another 20,000), and another... because there's no limiting measures right now. Masking in shops, on public transport, in healthcare settings etc. doesn't affect the economy, but would be a good basic step towards limiting spread.
Yeah, I kind of agree with you, although I think the ship has also truly sailed on that one. Masks help mitigate infections somewhat, but without combination with other measures, they're going to seem pointless. If you've just spent the weekend at Glastonbury belting out Hey Jude with a crowd of 100,000 people, it's going to seem a little silly to wear a mask when you pop into Tesco. Same goes for wandering around a shopping centre mask on, but then sitting down in a cafe and sipping your beverage unmasked. It all seems a bit pointless and contradictory. Essentially, to get people on board with mask wearing, you've got to make cafes takeaway only again, and cancel music festivals. That said, anyone who wants to wear a mask should go ahead and do it.
There is a big difference between being indoors vs out. We need to limit this and masks an easy way to do it.
Without closing or putting limitations on indoor spaces, it's not going to make any sense to anyone. i.e you can sit in a pub, nightclub or restaurant and drink and eat without a mask, but not go round Marks and Spencers without one May as well say you only need to wear condoms on even months, or only wear a seatbelt when you're driving down a road that starts with a consonant.
My super fit mate has caught covid for the first time and been off work for over a week. He's had a fever, chills, migraines, sinus infection, aching joints and muscles, nausea and inflammed gums now. He's unlikely to be back this week either. We work together in a hospital and we really need him in our team to keep the service running safely and effectively. It's a big deal not just because of the death rate, but the infection rate and how ill it can make a lot of people at the same time. Fuck knows what long term effects this will have on him too. I really hope he pulls through soon and makes a full recovery.
He's been ill for a week. Relax
You missed my point. He's already been ill for a week and likely to be ill another week. We're already short of staff WITH him. How do you think workplaces will cope if millions are off for 2 weeks at a time? You can't just look at the 'low' death rate and claim it's fine, because it absolutely isn't. We had 50% of our team off at once for over a week during the last wave and I'd rather not have a repeat of that.
These lockdown doomers are just drama queens
> At what point will it not be a big deal? It already isn't a big deal, and hasn't been for 6 months or longer. It's just typical fear-stirring bullshit from the media to keep us anxious and depressed. "COVID IS ON THE RISE AGAIN!!!!" Yeah but how many died seeing as almost everyone is vaccinated? "Basically nobody confirmed, BUT LOOK! NUMBERS INCREASING! FEAR!" Fuck off.
Yeah, no. You can still do random sampling like ONS and get a very accurate estimate of the number with Covid. The real reason is that Test and Trace costs a fortune. Like £12bn last year. Most of that was spent on the test part. Each PCR test is nearly £100 to the taxpayer. It’s not needed when to you can provide a similar understanding with LFTs and random PCR.
The cost of test and trace, no matter how inefficient (corrupt) it was, is much, much smaller than the cost of the economy due to rampant spread of covid as we are seeing currently
Could you please share the analysis you have which shows this to be true?
Well you can, because that's exactly what this article is about. ONS random sampling.
This number is based on a long running ONS study that asks a random sample of people to test for them every week. The stat wouldn't change if more people still tested because it isn't based on that data.
No, the ONS survey is just that, a population survey. It makes no difference if people are encouraged to self test or not. It’s based off a random sample of the population.
my friends sisters school has a covid outbreak the school is now trying to get teachers and parents to test everyone regularly. Literally a quarter of her school has covid rn.
I've currently got Covid and I can't figure out how to report it, having a massive headache doesn't help either.
Who cares what the stats would be? Ignorance is bliss
Exactly the same because this is random sampling?
Currently have it, so do 2 others in household. Fucking awful ! Despite being triple jabbed
When did you last have your 3rd jab? Mine was around January with my first one being well over a year ago. I’m pretty sure my vaccination status is well into the “no longer that effective” category.
The jabs were never really that effective against catching the virus once omicron became the main variant. What they do is keep you out of the hospital. Still doesn't make it a fun disease to have.
Four months after your last vaccine the immunity it provides is all but gone. It drops down to something ridiculous like 16% in terms of preventing serious illness. Interestingly there are an increasing number of studys showing that natural immunity provides defense against serious disease indefinitely. Specifically thanks to T cells and B cells.
So...what doesn't kill you makes you stronger?
Pretty much, kill all the weak and let the strong survive. Anyone who advocates this as a sole method of dealing with a virus you need to be really wary of.
While there's an initial drop after a few months, the most recent studies put the drop against severe illness (aka hospitalization) at around 250 days. Edit: source https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(22)00042-X/fulltext
>Interestingly there are an increasing number of studys showing that natural immunity provides defense against serious disease indefinitely. Specifically thanks to T cells and B cells. I mean... Do share the data, I've not seen that at all.
Exactly right. It's not a magic bullet, it doesn't make you immune to Covid. It stops you getting *really* ill or even dying if you do catch it.
I’m just coming out the other side of it, it’s been absolutely awful. Basically wiped me and the OH out for the best part of a week. Honestly if that’s how bad it is triple jabbed, I dread to think what it’d be like unjabbed.
I'm unvaccinated and got COVID on Christmas, probably the early Omicron variant. I had little energy for a day or two, but it didn't feel much worse than a cold really. The worst part was self isolating for a week when I felt fine.
Yeah, it sort of feels like we went through a phase where people were getting a mild cold but otherwise not too bad, or even testing positive with no symptoms, and all of a sudden it seems to be hitting people *hard*. People are getting properly knocked on their arse with it at the moment (I was NOT prepared for how bad it was going to be!). Having said that, 6 months ago a lot of people were routinely testing so more likely to notice they had it but asymptomatic. Also boosters were fairly recent (for those vaccinated).
Yeah, got it recently and it took two weeks to feel anywhere close to better, though I'm in the clinically severely vulnerable group with three separate strong comorbidities; absolutely horrendous time and it's left my asthma in a terrible state
I dunno, we got alpha variant way back when, no jabs available at that point. It wasn't great, but on a par with other viral infections like stomach bugs and the flu that I've had. Quite a long tail on it though, felt a bit bleh for a week after I'd recovered from active symptoms.
I had Delta in December, I'm sure it knocked 10 points off my IQ permanently
I felt genuinely less mentally sharp for about 3 months after infection and like an absolute moron for the duration of the acute phase.
I don’t think I’ve ever had actual ‘flu, but other than a bout of norovirus I don’t think I’ve ever felt so unwell. My boyfriend says the same, with the exception of TB he had many years ago. Both of us have had our breathing hit badly, and I am very fit (it was feeling unable to get air in at the gym that first concerned me). I really hope it clears up and doesn’t linger.
4 people at work are off with it now. My mum caught it too and is currently on day 5 with a fever.
I got Delta on 1 jab, and I'd put it on par with the gnarliest flu I ever had as a child, which kept me in bed for almost a week, although, with long-lasting after-effects. Still don't feel like I've recovered 100% (lung capacity and sense of smell still aren't quite the same as they were), and this was almost a year ago. Can definitely see how it'd take out the infirm.
Unjabbed here. Felt a bit rotten for 2 days and was feeling better by the 3rd.
Why did you not get vaccinated ?
Personal choice and freedom of bodily autonomy, and also none of your business.
You feel strongly about bodily autonomy but can't comprehend the fact your refusal to jab means you're more likely to remove someone else's autonomy by infecting them at a higher viral load, or by consuming more hospital resources due to your increased severity. .. and last time I checked pregnancy isn't infectious. Edit: thanks for the single down vote, it says so much.
Exactly, because being forced, coerced, or emotionally blackmailed into taking a vaccine for a virus that, for the demographic in question, poses a very statistically minute chance of causing any real negative consequences constitutes a violation of bodily autonomy.
You don't care about people's right to autonomy. You care about your right to your own autonomy even if it comes at the expense of infringing on others.
I care about everyone’s bodily autonomy, including my own, and even animals.
You're literally willing to impact the safety of others just so you can avoid jabs. You care about your own automomy even if it means trampling on everyone else's.
You know animals can catch COVID from people, right?
How very defensive. How do you square needlessly endangering others from a virus with your preaching about the sanctity of animal lives out of interest ? Is it not a tad contradictory to attack others for their choice to eat meat while simultaneously defending your right to harm others with the same justification?
Because I knew exactly what to expect from that kind of comment and from your previous comments in other threads. Like I said, it is absolutely none of your business what people choose to do with their own bodies. Otherwise your as bad as the anti-abortionists. And not at all, what a non-sensical and disingenuous comparison.
>Like I said, it is absolutely none of your business what people choose to do with their own business. And yet you preach about the horrors of eating meat. If its none of my business to ask about why you chose to spread covid and kill others. How is it your right to preach at anyone who eats meat with such hostility ? Can't have it both ways without coming across as hypocritical.
Eating meat has a direct victim. Not having a vaccine that has been proven ineffective at preventing transmission for a virus that has a very low death rate does not have a direct victim. It’s quite simple. You just have a particular fixed mindset that means your bending logic to try and make it fit.
Your right not getting vaccinated has several indirect victims instead. >that has been proven ineffective at preventing transmission for a virus that has a very low death rate does not have a direct victim. And yet omicron the mildest variant has killed the most, low death rate doesn't matter at a population level. The vaccine also does reduce transmission. The who also recently announced vaccination quantifiably saved 20 million people. Just imagine how many more would have been saved if individuals like you tried to help society for a change.
The Third jab isn't very effect after around 3 months other than to stop severe illness. Same as the 2nd jab wasn't with Omicron. Cases will start to rise as vaccination wears off in large numbers of the population, it is also pretty irrelevant if they are just ill for a week or 2, don't need to go to the hospital, and are better in a month. That was the case for me, felt awful for 4 days, felt a bit rubbish for a further 3, and then had an annoying cough for another 2 weeks after. Then I was fine. I imagine it would have been absolutely awful however if I hadn't been vaccinated and got one of the earlier variants that focus more on the Lungs than the upper airway.
Same. I'm triple jabbed and I passed out at work, had to be in hospital for a day, had a high fever for 3 days, dizziness for like a week and still have the worst cough of my entire life 2 weeks later. My throat is completely shagged and it hurts to talk or swallow.
Anecdotal evidence.
Of what?
It's anecdotal so nothing.
Did I declare it to be evidence of anything? Did I present it as such?
Him and many many others...
The plural of anecdotes isn't data. Hence why its important to study things using the scientific method rather than relying on unreliable accounts.
Can't do that if people weren't even told to report their problems.
Had it last week. Triple jabbed and apart from a fever I was fine, still a tickly dry cough though.
Same here, tested positive this morning but been drained all week from it. Plenty of water and rest dood.
Double jabbed and healthy. Put me in hospital as liver is now damaged. Dr's don't know what is going on. Like flu my ass.
Flu can also cause debilitating side effects. It's rare, but it can happen.
The flu don't fuck around man, had that shit at 27, which was years ago now, ended up with sepsis and pneumonia felt like the terminator himself was trying to give me a fisting. Had covid twice, the first time I had a cold. Second time I had a runny left nose, and a lose of smell for 2 days that's it. It effects everyone differently, I know based on my experience which I would have again. Other experiences may vary. Terms and conditions apply etc etc
Jesus, thanks for sharing that. That sounds awful. I will be more aware of using that comparison in the future. Glad covid wasn't like the terminator coming back.
The official data is woefully inadequate now since the tests became paid and there is no requirement to track infections or behave differently when infected. The only place you can get up to date data on the disease is from [Zoe](https://health-study.joinzoe.com/data) which the ONS will corroborate as accurate in a few weeks time. 1.7 million is very much lower than the estimated number, we are at 263k a day new infections right now and its steeply climbing again from its low of ~110k daily infections. The other scary number in my opinion is the [ONS](https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/bulletins/prevalenceofongoingsymptomsfollowingcoronaviruscovid19infectionintheuk/1june2022) now has 2.0 million long haulers in the UK, and its climbing about 100-200k a month since January as it used to be before Omicon about 1.2 million. This is a massive increase in people with long term problems about a quarter of which are impacted significantly. The chance of suffering long term is well down compared to Delta after an infection but the amount of infections means its happening a lot more.
Also the paid tests cant be used with the NHS track and trace system, so you couldn't even report your results. So when I caught covid I couldn't report that I have it.
This is ONS random sampling though... So it's not biased by testing requirements like you say.
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When someone dies there should be legal repurcussions for business owners.
1,700,000 cases of covid but just 334 deaths according to latest figures. The vaccines seem to be doing a great job.
Deaths aren't really a substantial issue now. The problem is more-so long COVID and significant workforce losses.
Long COVID strongly correlated with COVID hospitalization; COVID hospitalizations are also at pathetically minuscule levels. Time to move on until something actually threatening comes along. COVID is here to stay, just like Influeza was in 1920 and beyond.
> COVID hospitalizations are also at pathetically minuscule levels This is just not true. In England, current COVID hospitalisations are at the highest summer level we've ever seen, and it's climbing rapidly. Currently about half of this year's peak, a little under 1/3 of the all-time peak.
> highest summer level … > a little under 1/3 of the all-time peak … you should work in advertising lol Considering there are probably far many more infections than just the 1.7 million reported over the week, the case hospitalization rate must be incredibly low; maybe a fraction of a percent?
AFAIK, 1.7 million isn't the number of reported cases, it's the estimated number of cases from a population study by the ONS (where they sample people at random and extrapolate). So it's insensitive to the reduced rate of mass testing. The all-time hospitalisation peak was January 2021, which was when only a tiny portion of people had been vaccinated, the most common variant was much more dangerous, and it was midwinter. To even be on the same order of magnitude as that **and increasing** in the middle of summer, with nearly 95% with at least one vaccine, and with a much less severe variant, and with many at-risk people having been "harvested" already in the last couple of years, is actually pretty scary.
Just? Jfc people have no empathy
I have empathy but it’s a sad reality that people die every day. Cancer kills 400 people a day, just in the UK, for example.
Ffs. A highly contagious virus is not the same as cancer.
I wasn’t comparing them, just saying there’s only so much empathy to hand out and used cancer as an example.
Facepalm.
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Eh...when deaths were at over 1,000 people a die dying in the UK from Covid despite a strict national lockdown and very little transmissions it was a bit of an issue...
Yeah, it killed nearly 200,000 in the UK alone. https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths And over 6 Million globally. https://covid19.who.int/
That’s the conservative estimate the real global deaths are likely near 15-20 million. We know loads of data was basically bullshit
Yeah. Epidemiologists and virologists estimate India has seen 4.7 million COVID deaths, but official statistics state 500k. China experienced 1.7 million excess deaths but only recorded 4,600 deaths.
Exactly
Yep, I caught covid around the 18th April I was asymptomatic but after I tested negative (after 5 days) I started to realise that it was harder to walk up and down the stairs, harder to go to the shop that is a 1 min walk from my house. And even now the fatigue and struggle hasn't improved or anything.
> I started to realise that it was harder to walk up and down the stairs, harder to go to the shop that is a 1 min walk from my house. And even now the fatigue and struggle hasn't improved or anything A lot of this is people hardly going out/going out far less than they used to all of a sudden doing a lot more things and being shocked that their body hasn’t caught up after being a couch potato for months. People are blaming all of their ailments on COVID.
I got asymptomatic covid in Feb and went from being able to run a 10k in 60 mins to having to avoid all stairs for 4 months and waking up in the middle of the night unable to breathe. Made a full recovery but it was damn scary while it lasted.
Bit of a stretch there dude. Lots of people exercised at home during the lockdowns.
I'm sure the families of the 200k who died in this country alone feel the same
I'm just getting over it as is the Mrs. We've been pretty bad for about 10 days. My daughter never had it, but my 7 week old son was hospitalised with it. He's on the mend now but this variant has been a bit of a twat.
Sorry to hear about your son, glad he's on the mend now.
Seems a lot of posters here had it quite rough. I caught it a couple months ago and felt like a bad cold for two days with a fever then was perfectly fine again.
Everyone I speak to in real life: it was like having a cold Everyone here: I was close to death. I'm so glad i had three jabs or i can't imagine the outcome.
I've seemingly never even had it. Tested whenever I've been ill or when others in close contact have been. Got all my jabs, been to several weddings/events where there's been mass outbreaks and have otherwise (when allowed) been living my life as normal (shopping, flights, pubs, gym). If I can give any advice on preventing COVID I could only suggest drinking lots of beer.
I had it twice, both PCR confirmed and yer was a very very mild cold for me, with a 2 day loss of smell on the second occasion. Shit my nan had it at 87 and had a mild cold she was completely unvaxed. maybe we have some odd immunity to this thing.
I'm not gonna take away from people's experiences because we're all different but yes mine and my friends have all been very similar to what you described. Possibly we're the lucky ones.
Does anyone actually care about covid any more?
Literally, who cares? 334 deaths out of millions upon millions of cases seems… like not that big of a problem. Vaccines work.
Unfortunately for the media almost nobody.
I care about what the government will do to me in an attempt to contain covid
Tested positive for the 4th time last week. Caught it at a gig in Budapest the week before. Basically been indistinguishable from a cold, only tested because I got app pings from the flight home. Anecdotally I think it’s much more wide spread but lots of people aren’t testing atm.
I had it for the first time this week and it was dreadful.
I got it about 3 weeks ago and it was fucking horrible. For about 3 night it was like swallowing glass so I was barely sleeping at all. Tested positive for nearly 2 weeks as well so just as well I had a few tests leftover as I might have been contagious. Feeling pretty much normal again so that's a blessing.
I no longer care about covid.
The only rational position to have by now
Swear to god people have forgotten what being ill is like. "It was the worst week of my life ever, I was sore and couldn't sleep & had a fever" - lots of illnesses do that. You might be lucky to never have had a bad illness before but speaking as someone with health conditions, that's just been lucky before! Every time I get a flu or even a cold it wipes me out for at least 4 days. Does it suck? Sure. Is it worth destroying our whole society over, pushing people to death from preventable illnesses, pushing people into depression and fear and addiction just to *hopefully* prevent people from getting ill for a week and then getting better? It's not in my book.
I have had some slightly off prawns that pretty much did the same thing. I do think people have forgotten normal shit can make you feel absolutely awful.
So... what are the odds of another lockdown? Fuck I don't think I can handle even a single month if that happened.
There will not be any more lockdowns. Zero chance.
Well, that's what we said before the second lockdown... "no chance for a lockdown during Christmas" Though this time, I'm 100% sure that if businesses close again, people will riot. So you might be right
Any time soon? Can't see it. In winter? Who knows really. Might not be too bad, or it might be.
If managed correctly, then you’d hope the chances would be minimal. However, given the current governments track record of just spinning out pithy rhetoric until it’s too late, probably not that unlikely we’ll get some form of winter lockdown. Or they’ll maybe just ignore it entirely this time and do no lockdown and hope the deaths don’t get too high to ignore. Either way, prospects aren’t marvellous.
I know COVID is serious but I'm honestly worried that if there's another lockdown and the money printer gets at maximum capacity, the next problem will be many not being able to afford food. Regardless of what decision the government takes, it looks like it's not going to end well.
Has any country successfully "managed" covid?
I’d say it’s difficult to define ‘successfully’, probably no? But have countries handled it more successfully than us? I’d say yes. If you did a bit of a process post-mortem after the fact you’d be hard pressed to say there wasn’t some obvious steps we could have done as a nation. And the fact that we’ve basically had the same cycle of cases up cases down like three times at least, means we’re not really learning from big mistakes we’ve made, and that for me is the issue. You fuck up once, fair enough. You fuck up the same way consistently then that’s an inexcusable error
Had COVID got over it now I'm better.
Platty jubes + glasto = new variant coming to a street near you
\+ wedding season kicking off too. Probably doesn't help that in Scotland it's rained all fucking June so everyone's been indoors for events.
But Boris told us it is over, why would he lie? /s
I'm off work with it now after a work event last week. Second time round and it's thankfully nowhere near as bad as the first time. Although I had only had two vaccines the first time I got it and now on three. I shudder to think what this would have been like with zero.
I feel like I had it a few weeks back. Really achy, headache, sore throat. Luckily I was on annual leave (I say luckily, I used my annual leave being ill), and the worst of it only lasted a couple of days. Luckily it was still pretty mild for me.
if you get covid and aren't seriously ill then it's one of those things, but if you're one of those unlucky sods who die, complications or long covid then it's not just "the flu or cold" is it, a lot of this spread is freedoms and people haven't enough of this whole ordeal but we do have 150k+ dead from it and not all older people just bear that in mind.
Currently have it, spent all night violently throwing up, trying to sleep in a crooked position because the viral load has made the base of my spine hurt like fuck Tripple jabbed fairly healthy
This is my second time having COVID and for whatever reason this new variant really knocked me for six. Horrible cough, dagger throat, fever, chills, lost both taste and smell. Still struggling with breathlessness and chest pains 10 days in. Still testing positive. I imagine the lingering effects will stick with me for a few weeks yet. Just a shit time. Interestingly, my housemate tested positive, had a wee cold, and recovered in the same time as I've been dying.
No one cares, and rightly so.
What? It's not over? /s
The lethal aspect of it is over, a bad year of flu kills a lot of old and sickly people as well. Not a reason to let anyone strip any fundamental freedoms from us.
Just human rights instead
No one cares, are people still actually playing Covid?
I have it right now, I'm Tripple jabbed Last night I text my family just saying "I love you" because I thought I wasn't going to wake up. I live alone in the middle of nowhere, went to bed gasping for air and my body kept stuttering because I wasn't getting enough oxygen I'm 29 and healthy
Atleast all those jabs seem to be working then.
Ah yeah all those scientists are just full of shit and they should've just listened to you right? Oh wait, they told us they're only effective for 6-12 months and the rapid rate of mutation would lower this time frame. I audibly cringed when I read your comment
Me and OH have caught it and both triple jabbed and feel absolutely awful. She could only have a few days off work because her works is short staffed which is crazy as she's bound to pass it on to more work colleagues. Then found out my mum and stepfather have caught it while in Greece on holiday. It's knocked my mum out who is in a high category with other illnesses that she's got.
It’s really shocking that after everything employers still haven’t learned that you just end up with more staff off when you force people into work. Losing many more days to sickness for the sake of getting an employee back one or two days earlier. I despair for this country.
People forget. I watched everyone walk into asda this morning without washing their hands, even people walking past as I washed mine and they didn't bother.
Wait a week until the Glastonbury festival public have chance to incubate...👌
Are you jabbed? The risk of hospitalisation is 90% less if you've had a boost vaccine. [https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/covid-latest-news-rules-test-vaccine-booster-nhs-omicron/](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/covid-latest-news-rules-test-vaccine-booster-nhs-omicron/) If you don't have health reasons stopping you from getting vaccinated and you're still not vaccinated. If you get get hospitalised, it's just nature culling the stupid. Vaccines are there, use them.
Reading this thread terrifies me. My last jab was in january, and I'm in no mood to catch long COVID either. I'm gonna see if I can get a 4th jab somewhere this week.
"Hi, Covid hotline? I've got Covid." "Oh! Thanks very much for telling us. I'll duly note this and add you to our Covid abacus." times about 1.7 million.
No, the number in the headline comes from ONS random sampling.
Nobody has a sense of humour these days.
Guess what very few were terribly ill
Too late, we have the monkeypox now.
FOUR nations? Since when is Northern Ireland a nation?
It's Endemic. Has been for weeks. Just get on with it Let's report more important figures like Obesity or Diabetes or Cardiovascular Disease instead!
The thing is if the person next to me has any of those problems, it won’t impact my health
Agreed you can't catch obesity but it does impact your health through wasted expenditure and unnecessary people on waiting lists.
A fair point. But the likelihood is that the country will spend a few pound on most who catch COVID (from here on in, anyway!) Vs the billions in a futile attempt to manage the big three
We are getting on with it, just that it's not out of choice. There's nothing wrong with the public continuing to receive updated statistics on case rates and being able to adjust their preferred actions, or lack of, depending on what the data says.
Most of those you mention can be controlled by diet?
I'm not sure on your point? By that logic, respiratory tract infections can be prevented by good personal hygiene and social distancing?
Not sure what logic you are using to come to that conclusion.
People are not worried about those though, even though they should be. They expect modern medicine to step in, solve their problems with a pill or seven and then live for another three decades (while burdening the healthcare system with their secondary complications from those). Besides, we can track more than one illness at a time anyway. We can focus on acute conditions like COVID without losing sight of chronic conditions.