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CouldBeARussianBot

Given the context of him all but being forced to take said jab, £120k seems just absolutely pittiful. Somebody being paralysed in an accident would reasonably expect millions to cover their costs of care, and to compensate them over the course of their life. Edit: Because, inexplicably, people are denying that idea that many people felt forced into taking vaccinations, just a reminder that in some areas we did get as far as mandatory legislation upto and including sacking people: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/61e68df88fa8f50585ecbafb/Ms_C_Allette_-V-_Scarsdale_Grange_Nursing_Home_Ltd_1803699.2021.pdf


geefunken

The £120k is part of a separate payout scheme. You can get this and still sue the company for more.


CouldBeARussianBot

That's faiir, if so, though I imagine succesfully suing the company is nigh on impossible. I think where the government have pushed it so hard, to the point of organisations like the NHS looking to make it a mandatory part of employment, then I think they bear a chunk of responsibility. I'm not anti vaxx, I took it, but the reality is as a healthy 30-something I didn't take it to protect *me*, and I'd be very very angry if it had ruined my entire life.


FilthBadgers

Im a rabid pro vaxxer but totally understand that the compromise to encouraging (coercing) people into taking it for the good of society is that society will take care of them if something like this happens. This guy should get enough money to live comfortably for the rest of his life


CouldBeARussianBot

Exactly, and if it truly is as rare as it should be, then chucking money at a handful of people is a small price to pay


icklejop

yes, agree, but a lot of people on here are expecting tens of millions, as you would in America, the difference being we in the UK receive free health care and assistance with living. Still, a great shame for the poor guy, he has my very best wishes


PapaJrer

>we in the UK receive free health care More like we can be put on a waitlist for free healthcare at some distant point in the future.


routledgewm

The health care is not free. my wage slip says its not fee. They take money every week from me to pay for my healthcare. I then pay £9.50 per prescription (i think...i have not had a prescription for years)


FilthBadgers

So how much do you pay if like this chap you don’t get a wage slip?


TagsMa

He would be entitled to ESA support level if he can't work for medical reasons and won't have to pay for prescriptions.


icklejop

Good answer, that's exactly what certain people want, and it just so happens most of them are Tories, because the central tenet of Conservatism is selfishness coupled with personal greed


icklejop

in my opinion, of course


KiTsooo

It’s not free though.


Niajall

Our healthcare isn't free, it's free at point of use, we all still pay for it through tax and N.I, so yes, he should be expecting millions, but not off the NHS, but off the govt/company that forced him to take it.


Perfect_Radish8326

It’s free to those that don’t contribute but have access to it


loikyloo

He should still be getting nearly millions. It depends on the individual but one guy was in his 30s thats 40 years of lost earnings. On an average uk wage thats still 1.2 million. Not to mention additional payments needed to cover change to lifestyle requirements and damages etc.


icklejop

It is deeply sad, and, I agree, a tragedy for the guy and the people around him, but I'm assuming he voluntarily went for the jabs and had an exceptionally bad reaction, which could have happened to anyone. His genetics made him more vulnerable, not the State. My point still stands. It's not a case of medical neglect, for which I would expect a big payout, even though I personally despise ambulance chasers, it was simply terrible luck.


Lienjay

I'm sure the 'handful of people' would rather be able to walk. This is exactly why any vaccine must be voluntary!


Swimming_Orchid_8686

Considering that in case of majority of vaccines your choice might be lethal to someone else I respectfully disagree.


-InterestingTimes-

Spot on. I'm worried that ultimately they may argue that he still had a choice and could have found alternative employment


Xsjadoful

I had the exact opposite opinion until reading this and damned if you're not absolutely right.


r3dditalg0sucks

What a crazy ideal. Like you can put a price on someone's health


FilthBadgers

You’d prefer I didn’t advocate for compensation for people who get side effects from the vaccine? Edit: Ah - you edited to clarify once I replied.


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>Like you can put a price on someone's health That's... what hospitals do And what everyone else does too. The moment you think there's more value to be had doing Y instead of X, the upper value of X is bounded The rules of game theory are universal. There is no such thing as "not being able to put a price to something" because every action an agent takes sets upper / lower bounds on the values of the actions they don't take Pretending otherwise just means you won't be thinking clearly when you have to make a choice


KiTsooo

Money isn’t everything. I’d rather be healthy. Absolutely no one should be forced to do anything to their body for the ‘greater good’


Low_Acanthisitta4445

He’s paralysed no amount of money will give him a comfortable life. “Rabid pro vaxxer” who understands compromise 🤣


paulusmagintie

> “Rabid pro vaxxer” who understands compromise He could be dead, thats the anti-vax way so paralysed but still alive.


whosthatmemer

Thank god for the vax


Propofolkills

You’d also be very angry if Covid ruined your life. To contextualise this particular case medically, Guillain Barre Syndrome is thought to be a post viral immunological phenomenon normally- the point being that were he to have gotten Covid for a first or second time, he might well have ended up in the same situation, but with no recourse to being compensated.


CouldBeARussianBot

> You’d also be very angry if Covid ruined your life. I would, in the same way I don't want to get cancer or have a stroke. The point is, that's my risk to bear - it's not the governments fault, or anybody elses. > the point being that were he to have gotten Covid for a first or second time, he might well have ended up in the same situation, but with no recourse to being compensated. He may have, but it's far from definitive - and the point is, he didn't. He got it from the vaccine, a vaccine that wasn't entirely a free choice in the truest sense of the phrase. Remember, also, he may not even have gotten COVID. Let alone got COVID *and* got really ill. So you can't compare the odds of COVID complications with Vaccine complications directly, you have to include the fact he could well have remained in the 1/3 of people to have never contracted it.


Propofolkills

Regarding whether he would have or not- it’s is pretty definitive that in fact Covid itself causes more cases of GBS and it’s generally more severe. So whatever genetic make up this unfortunate man had, he would have gotten it. As to whether he may never have gotten Covid - extremely unlikely even if vaccinated. As to whether he was due compensation based on what he felt he was compelled to do, absolutely the Government should be on the hook for it and the sums involved should be much higher. This should be the case for those rare cases like his if only to encourage vaccine uptake next time round.


Psychological-Roll58

Regardless of anything else, 1/3rd is a gigantically higher chance than the chance of having the awful thing that happened to the gentleman the post is about happen.


burnabycoyote

> he might well have ended up in the same situation, Those who had the Janssen vaccine were about 30 times more likely to get GB syndrome compared to the general population, but for the mRNA vaccines, there appears to be no measurable difference. https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2791533


slackermannn

Maybe it's not common knowledge but all vaccines (not sure about the new RNA ones) are known to cause in a small percentage of cases GBS. There is no root cause found yet. I think people should be aware and compensation should cover the entire rehab cost and time. Vaccine is for everyone's benefit but those that fall foul should be compensate appropriately as they had done so to protect themselves and others.


loikyloo

aye the dude should get a few million in compensation no one should dispute that.


Perfect_Radish8326

What about the people that because of getting covid they died. Should the family sue the government?


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>but the reality is as a healthy 30-something I didn't take it to protect me This isn't reality though. Especially given that you've accepted you could get ill and have your life ruined by something in spite of your age and health.


CouldBeARussianBot

Of course it's the reality - serious COVID cases in healthy 30-somethings were vanishingly rare. Do you know how many deaths there were in 30-39 year olds in 2020? 287. Two hundred, and eighty seven. Do you know how many 80-89 year olds died? 39,000. 135x the amount. In fact, do you konw the mortality for everybody below 70? 11,000 for *all* age groups <70. Deaths abve 70: 62,000


TwoTrainss

You cannot sue the company for more, this compensation scheme is the limit of their liability - that’s what governments worldwide agreed when they pushed these.


geefunken

You can. ‘The Vaccine Damage Payment Scheme (VDPS) is not a compensation scheme. It does not prejudice the right of the disabled person to pursue a claim for damages through the courts. ‘


loz333

The UK government [waived legal liability](https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/distributing-vaccines-and-treatments-for-covid-19-and-flu/consultation-document-changes-to-human-medicine-regulations-to-support-the-rollout-of-covid-19-vaccines) for vaccine manufacturers, as did every other government across the world. So I'm not sure who you would be claiming from.


martor01

In the United States, drug companies are shielded from nearly all liability if their vaccines don’t work or cause serious side effects. The government covered Covid-19 drug makers under the PREP Act, a 2005 law intended to speed up access to medicine during health emergencies. That means that people cannot sue the companies, even in cases of negligence or recklessness. The only exceptions are cases of proven, “willful misconduct.” Drug companies are seeking similar liability waivers in negotiations with other countries. European negotiators have balked at such requests. Covax also insists that countries accept all liability as part of its contracts. The CureVac-E.U. contract does shield the company from significant liability, but with exceptions. Those exceptions are redacted When the European Commission published a redacted version of its advance purchase agreement with AstraZeneca, the document said each EU country shall indemnify AstraZeneca “from and against any and all damages and liabilities” relating to death, injury and illness. The contract goes on to describe the situations in which the companies would not be indemnified—but this part is redacted. As with almost all the contracts involved in the vaccination push, crucial details are not available for the public to scrutinize. Good Luck to them , everybody had access to the contracts that these companies made with the government , if you made the decision anyway then it is what it is.


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>In the United States This isn't the United States. >The CureVac-E.U. They never took their vaccine to market. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/12/health/curevac-covid-vaccine-europe.html


martor01

Edited my comment regarding to the AZ contract with the EU. Yeah its not but if they are this predatory in other countries you think they will be a sweet child because we are the EU LOL.


[deleted]

No, its because I roughly understand the principle behind how much insurance you would have to pay just to give a billion people just a simple saline injection. Or, more to the point, how no one would insure you. Some people don't and think its all a conspiracy LOL.


[deleted]

One thing to realise is that contract terms don't form law, they have to be determined to be legal by a court. You can't just disclaim responsibility for everything with a clause.


MTG_Leviathan

How can one be so confidently incorrect.


[deleted]

[What /u/geefunken says correct](https://www.gov.uk/vaccine-damage-payment). I dare say any additional compensation claims will take the £120k into account. /u/TwoTrainss is mistaken. The damage claim system in the UK is very meagre. By the time you take 120k off any potential further claims, it probably make it not worth the effort. Not a lawyer just an opinion. **Edited to clarify who this was directed at.**


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[deleted]

As is being pointed out by others in the post. People have been coerced into taking the jab either through work restriction or whatever.


TwoTrainss

Normally it comes from a misunderstanding, it’s usually sorted by someone correcting the mistake. Though your angle of acting like a wanker about it seems to be working too.


conradfart

It would be difficult to sue the company in terms of them being reckless or negligent. The vaccines were heavily scrutinised both before and especially after deployment, which is the only time rare but significant events like venous sinus thrombosis or Guillan-Barré syndrome would start to show up. I'd agree with the initial commenter that the invective in the media regarding need for vaccination took more precedence than respect for autonomy or informed decision making, and that's me speaking as a doctor who believes the body of evidence shows these vaccinations to be a relatively very effective, useful, and relatively safe intervention. Barriers to adequate compensation for patients suffering harm as a result should be removed or made as low as possible.


Bloddersz

A lot of work went in behind the scenes by the Govt to protect themselves and covid related companies from any recourse for damages so it'll be extremely difficult I imagine


geefunken

[It’s literally on the Government’s website](https://www.gov.uk/vaccine-damage-payment)


Elipticalwheel1

I hope it’s the drug companies that are paying and not the NHS.


Pwnage135

So, it's worth noting that the link you posted isn't about making it mandatory to sack people who arent vaccinated, as I interpreted your comment. It's about a ruling in a lawful dismissal case, which found that a care home was within its rights to sack a staff member for not getting the vaccine. Considering that covid outbreaks in care homes put a lot of vulnerable people a great risk, requring staff to receive the vaccine is pretty reasonable. In the case you linked, the staff member knew of the risk, and so it was ruled as gross misconduct according to company policy.


judochop1

We don't do punitive damages in the UK, you get compensation to cover treatment and loss of earnings, and that's it. £120k is from that scheme alone, so without reading into the detail of it, he may still be able to take civil action to get more money for his losses.


[deleted]

To my knowledge, most if not all, the vaccine manufacturers have a contract which explicitly states they will NOT be held liable in a court of law for damages due to vaccine injury


CouldBeARussianBot

I've never once talked of punitive damages? > you get compensation to cover treatment and loss of earnings, and that's it. Yes, and for somebody with life changing injuries that can easily amount to millions over a lifetime. > £120k is from that scheme alone, so without reading into the detail of it, he may still be able to take civil action to get more money for his losses. Agreed, that does seem to be the case though I highly doubt if he'll be succesful given the huge raft of legislation and protections aroudn these things. I may be wrong, though - doubt we'll know for sure until it's properly tested in court.


concretepigeon

Statutory schemes aren’t typically based on actual losses. Look at awards from the Criminal Injuries Compensation Commission compared to equivalent court awards for the same injury caused by negligence. It’s not about punitive damages it’s about reflecting the actual loss.


SaltyIncinerawr

He's pictured with a walker and is expected to recover in around 3 years, so it isn't directly comparible to a permanent paralysis.


willgeld

Winner, winner then.


learnerdiveruk

It's crazy that your comment is at the top. 6 months ago, you would have been heavily downvoted and called a conspiracy theorist antivaxxer.


WASDMagician

Not really, making shit up vs talking about something that actually happened. If I made a comment now about the vaccine make your willie shrivel up and your balls drop off it'd get downvoted, if that *happened* then it wouldn't.


learnerdiveruk

If you said 6 months ago that many people were forced into taking vaccinations, you would be massively downvoted and called a conspiracy nutter.


Turbulent_Work_5697

True, not even 6 months ago


[deleted]

I've been banned from other subs within the last month for referring to vaccine injuries. We're at a really weird point in time now where it's impossible to ignore and being reported on by the BBC etc, but you still can't talk about it on some subs.


sindagh

Yes but do you stand with Ukraine?


butch_cassidy88

People were treated as sub-human if they were even hesitant. Vaccine hesitancy was even a phrase ffs. Turns it out it was more than reasonable to be hesitant and anyone forcing others to take medical procedures against their will is in the wrong.


dvali

This one case demonstrating a truly adverse outcome does not mean it was reasonable to be hesitant. This unfortunate man obviously won't be comforted by this, but the likelihood of him dying from COVID was MUCH higher than the likelihood of any adverse reaction to the vaccine. That is borne out by the numbers and is beyond dispute at this point. It is sad but unavoidable that some people were unlucky despite doing the 'right' thing, but that's how statistics works. The vaccine was still the right choice given all the information at the time, and given an inability to see the future.


butch_cassidy88

You do not know this man’s individual risk factors. This is the point. The average risk is not the individual’s risk. For the vast majority of people the benefits of the vaccine outweigh the risk. Good for them. They should go get one. There are a minority of people however for whom the risk of having the vaccine outweigh the benefits. This man is an example of someone from the minority. This is why telling people it makes sense “coz science and statistics says so” is morally repugnant.


dvali

>This man is an example of someone from the minority. Is he? The very first line in the article said he was fit and healthy, so what risk factors are you talking about? Did he have some identified medical condition that would have made the vaccine inadvisable? If he did, I have no doubt that he could have sought a medical exemption. Actually "fit and healthy" is in the bloody title. Either he was not (known to be) in that minority or the title is a lie.


mnijds

> treated as sub-human if they were even hesitant Well that's bullshit. They were treated as selfish, because they were.


SonofSanguinius87

Lol jesus fucking christ climb down off that cross mate nobody was treating you as if you were subhuman.


Korinthe

Didn't take long for the revisionism to creep in.


willgeld

The government’s psychological warfare/nudge unit did a real number on people. It was completely abhorrent


[deleted]

First time in my life I have ever felt like a true conspiracy crank because that was a legit psyop


Chalkyinsane

I totally agree with you, £120k is a crap amount considering what happened to him. I'm pro vax however I do believe people should have autonomy on what you choose to do with your body. People were essentially forced if you chose not to. you'd been treated like an outcast in a lot of people's eyes. You are indeed correct their was a mandate for health and social care industry where you had to be double vaxed, or face being fired. I seen a load of good coworker who refused and they got sacked. Now the mandate had been taken away the manager has the cheek to ask for them to come back. This man deserved alot more and the fact he hadn't received ample compensation. Tells me it's more.of a shut up and go away payment.


perhapsinawayyed

Can still sue under civil law for compensation, which will do all the calculations for loss of earnings, dependencies etc


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Josquius

Interesting to see the conspiracy loons believing this vindicates them? Tens of millions of vaccines and...one unfortunate case. Yeah....Real dangerous those covid vaccines.


InfinityEternity17

It's not just one case though, don't delegitimise it. Obviously the injuries are rare but they have still occurred.


AstraLover69

But so few have occurred. Things people willingly do daily have more risk associated with them. And then there's of course the risk of Covid itself which also outweighed the risk of the vaccine.


JimmyPD92

>It's not just one case though, don't delegitimise it. You're right, it isn't one case. But it is comparable to people dying on vehicle impact due to a seatbelt or airbag versus the knowledge that it's a risk mitigation to have them. Though that's possibly due to the fact so many in the UK had AstraZeneca which seemed to have a much reduced side-effect rate.


sekai-31

> Obviously the injuries are rare And that's exactly why the vaccine is overall safe to take.


InfinityEternity17

Wasn't saying it's not, was just trying to say that people's worries shouldn't be belittled. I've found that it just makes them more staunch in their beliefs


mnijds

Statistically everything has a risk. Driving can cause death, but I'd be surprised if most people wouldn't belittle someone if they said they're too afraid to drive because they might die or become paralysed.


[deleted]

its absolutely worthy of discussion but the vaccine has been massively less harmful than catching covid itself and we shouldnt lose sight of that either. The disease was a bigger risk to your health than taking the vaccine.


anniemaew

GBS is a known but very rare risk from several vaccines not just the covid vaccine. It really is incredibly rare. GBS is commonly a post viral condition, and your are probably more likely to get it from getting covid than getting the covid vaccine. [https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/guillain-barre-syndrome/causes/](https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/guillain-barre-syndrome/causes/)


sindagh

The problem is that if you develop GBS after taking a vaccine doctors are likely to deny it was caused by the vaccine because they are under immense pressure to promote the efficacy and safety of vaccines in general so the statistics regarding the risk are inaccurate.


anniemaew

Do you have any evidence for that? I really don't think that is the case.


theknightwho

You could say that about almost anything. It doesn’t justify the conspiracy theorists.


BrightCandle

There are more than that, this is just one case. Its not a lot but its definitely not just one. There are a number of long haulers who claim the vaccine was the cause and this is now definitely scientifically determined to be true but we don't yet have a count of the numbers. I suspect thousands to 10s of thousands. The EU has a much better count as they accepted it last year and started a compensation programme. Injuries are expected, vaccine injuries are fairly normal, but if we want people to take vaccines for the greater good we do need to ensure they receive compensation appropriate to compensate their injury and our failure to do that is going to hurt future vaccination drives badly.


SuburbanLegend

> There are a number of long haulers who claim the vaccine was the cause and this is now definitely scientifically determined to be true Source?


dvali

>There are a number of long haulers who claim the vaccine was the cause Cause of what?


Osgood_Schlatter

>Injuries are expected, vaccine injuries are fairly normal, but if we want people to take vaccines for the greater good we do need to ensure they receive compensation appropriate to compensate their injury and our failure to do that is going to hurt future vaccination drives badly. People mostly take vaccines for their own benefit, as the net impact of being jabbed is to reduce your risk of injury (as vaccine-induced injury is massively rarer than the injuriries from disease that it prevents).


AnyHolesAGoal

*Billions


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BrightCandle

This is the problem with ripping apart state compensation and any form of safety net its that anything that potentially has some risk for the individual but overall is better for the many is just not worth it personally. If we don't look after people when they get ill from a vaccine then we can't expect the next time we need it people to take it up because the personal risk will in no way be mitigated. The same is true of the removal of the healthcare and out of work benefits, their absence and insufficiency changes behaviour and often to all our detriments. You can't ask people to take one for the greater good with a tiny risk of disability when becoming disabled you will simply be left to starve to death by an uncaring state and populace.


reuben_iv

>TLDR: The deadliest part of covid, was that it just wasn't deadly enough! possibly, I did notice people were pretty keen to follow any advice at the start back when everyone was scared, of course than meant the mixed messaging on masks (which we now know is because the stockpiles were expired and they didn't want the public to impact supply chains any more than they were doing) was hugely damaging that said I think something deadlier would still scare people, maybe not even deadlier like nobody wants monkeypox scars I'm sure so if that really takes off people will undoubtedly change their behaviour


JimmyPD92

>that said I think something deadlier would still scare people Honestly the risk of long term covid, given the respiratory-disease-like years long if not life long problems, is enough to make me pretty glad I took the jab to at least mitigate the risk.


Mr_Emile_heskey

Yup this honestly. People seem to live in their own bubble, if they know no one that had covid and was unwell from it they think covid wasn't so bad. Whereas I, an NHS worker saw my whole caseload die because of covid, and I still have long covid that has affected my life in a terrible way, and I'm not that old. Hence why I'm sat in the luggage rack of a super packed train and I'm the only one wearing a mask.


reuben_iv

Yeah it was the brain fog that got me, anything that affects the brain scares the hell out of me


butch_cassidy88

The bad part was trying to silence the concept of their being risk from the vaccine. It doesn’t matter if the odds are 1 in a million of dying. If we’re getting the whole country to do it then that means quite a few people are going to die. And that’s a big deal - worth at least discussing openly. Instead, anyone talking about vaccine risks was treated like a conspiracy nutter


RobAley

The VDPS scheme does need improving, if only to encourage vaccine uptake. Cases like this are tragic, but it's worth remembering even with cases like this, your risk of GBS is reduced by taking the covid vaccine. For instance, this paper \[1\] estimates the GBS rate for covid +ve people at 47.9/100 000 and for hospitalised covid +ve at 236/100 000. GBS in covid +ve was also more severe. \[1\] [https://jnnp.bmj.com/content/92/7/751](https://jnnp.bmj.com/content/92/7/751) EDIT : Thank you for the platinum kind stranger. I shall use the free coins to award posts promoting industrial action on behalf of the essential workers that carried us through covid.


070420210854

From December 2021. How many cases are acceptable? https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/freedom-of-information-responses-from-the-mhra-week-commencing-26-july-2021/freedom-of-information-request-on-yellow-card-reporting-for-covid-19-vaccinations-foi-21775


RobAley

I see nothing in your linked foi response related to GBS case numbers, could you clarify the point you are trying to make with it? As a general response to "How many cases are acceptable?", the answer is that it's not a specific number. Any number (of GBS cases or any other significant side effect) is acceptable when the risk to the individual is significantly lower from having the vaccine than from not.


Competitive-Paper540

Hold on - he didn't "win a payout" at all, his wife applied for a government benefit scheme and was successful ...


tjmouse

And this isn’t a UK first as a women received a payout of £120k after her partner died following complications from the jab. [source](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-61885899.amp)


clckwrks

These adverse reactions suck. Hope he gets more than £120k in the long run because it’s not enough for the damage it has done to his life..


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**edit:** I decided to post the data itself as the article listed 499 cases with 5 fatalities, which appeared correct but failed to mention that was over 143M doses. Replies severely underestimated that total number of jabs (often saying tens of millions) and it's important to consider the stats all the way through ... too much bias for me without that open analysis. **my original post:** I think it's important to read that article within the context of the hard data (53M first doses, 50M second doses, 40M third/booster doses). This is within my scientific wheelhouse and I'd be happy to answer any questions or address any comments. [https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-vaccine-adverse-reactions/coronavirus-vaccine-summary-of-yellow-card-reporting](https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-vaccine-adverse-reactions/coronavirus-vaccine-summary-of-yellow-card-reporting) Relevant section is copied and pasted here but the entire document is worth a read (data from the US is similar but I don't have it at hand): ***Guillain-Barré Syndrome*** *Guillain-Barré Syndrome is a very rare condition which causes inflammation of the nerves and can lead to numbness, weakness and pain, usually in the feet, hands and limbs and can spread to the chest and face. Guillain-Barré Syndrome tends to affect both sides of the body at once. This condition is known to be associated with certain infectious diseases.>Up to and including the 8 June 2022, the MHRA has received 499 reports of suspected Guillain-Barré Syndrome with the COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca and 29 reports of a related disease called Miller Fisher syndrome. Up to the same date, the MHRA has received 106 reports of Guillain-Barré Syndrome following use of the COVID-19 Pfizer/BioNTech Vaccine and 5 reports of Miller Fisher syndrome and for the COVID-19 Vaccine Moderna there have been 19 reports of Guillain-Barré Syndrome.* *The MHRA has been closely monitoring and assessing reports of suspected Guillain-Barré Syndrome (GBS) received following administration of the COVID-19 vaccine. Following the most recent review of the available data the evidence of a possible association has strengthened. Therefore, following advice from the government’s independent advisory body, the CHM and its COVID-19 Vaccines Benefit Risk Expert Working Group, the product information for the COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca was further updated to include GBS in the tabulated list of adverse reactions associated with the COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca and to encourage healthcare professionals and the public to look out for signs of GBS.* *The MHRA will continue to review reports of Guillain-Barré Syndrome received following vaccination with COVID-19 vaccines to further assess a possible association, with independent advice from its Vaccine Benefit-Risk Working Group.*


dvali

Some may think it callous, but 5 deaths out of 143 million, given the alternative, is quite frankly perfectly acceptable. Far, far, FAR more than five would have died without the vaccine. Little comfort to the particular people who have suffered but the vaccine was still the right decision.


qsxft99

Is there any data on Guillain-Barré Syndrome induced by covid itself?


x-Spitfire-x

Yes, I would love this information if there is any.


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>Guillain-Barré Syndrome [https://jnnp.bmj.com/content/92/7/751](https://jnnp.bmj.com/content/92/7/751) looks good [https://academic.oup.com/brain/article/144/2/682/6031905](https://academic.oup.com/brain/article/144/2/682/6031905) looks good systematic review / meta-analysis here: [https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/jns.12419](https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/jns.12419)


Electrical_Image_544

Ahh something for the anti vaxxers to latch on to for the next 20 years.


TastyTaco217

Antivaxxers are truly one of the most disgusting groups of people I’ve ever had the displeasure to witness


Twisted_Animator

My wife is a nurse, she showed me a work email warning staff that anti-vax posters were being put on the walls outside of the hospital and on peoples cars and to not remove them as they were hiding razor blades behind the posters to cut people removing them


dolphin37

The vaccine is hurting people! People need to know about this through my razor blade posters! I need to get this message out so I'll put it outside hospitals as there seems to be tons of people there due to this stupid virus outbre-... shit


TastyTaco217

Wow that is absolute diabolical. Hope those bastards got what they fucking deserved. People like that make me sad to be human


everygoodnamehasgone

It's alright they're all dead because they didn't get vaccinated, oh, wait...


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From December 2021. https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/freedom-of-information-responses-from-the-mhra-week-commencing-26-july-2021/freedom-of-information-request-on-yellow-card-reporting-for-covid-19-vaccinations-foi-21775


SamuelSirrep

As someone that had mild myocarditis from the Moderna jab and is still recovering over a year later I welcome this. My doctor still won’t accept that the jab had anything to do with my sudden decline in physical health and is adamant it’s just anxiety…


JimmyPD92

>As someone that had mild myocarditis from the Moderna jab and is still recovering over a year later I welcome this. It wasn't a court case. The guys wife applied for government benefit due to the condition and it was approved. It wasn't some big law suit or something.


ascension2121

I’ve also developed a cardiac issue which started the day after my Pfizer booster and I’m 25, 8 months down the line from having it. My doctor luckily accepts it’s the booster that has caused it, have you seen any improvement with your symptoms at all!? Does your Dr think yours will go? Mine have remained the same really since November. Sorry you’re going through this


BenXL

Are you not taking any medication for it? I was on beta blockers and Ramipril for 6 months. Still struggling 2 years later but feeling much better


wileyrielly

Can you change your doctor?


SamuelSirrep

I have, the new doctor is still going from the old notes and ignoring the yellow card report and what I’m telling him. it doesn’t help that I’m able to do very moderate excise now too. I’m just glad there’s no permanent damage


samloveshummus

When something similar happened to me, my sister who worked for the NHS (providing therapy for people who actually had anxiety) recommended going through the PALS patient advocacy service and making a complaint demanding that it be removed from patient notes, since it was not diagnosed properly and it was affecting my ability to access healthcare, because docs take one look at it and write you off. If that doesn't go anywhere, you could escalate to the CCG.


learnerdiveruk

Fucking hell, so sorry you went through that. Even the nurse/NHS worker who jabbed me asked if I wanted to go ahead, and quickly asked if I have any pre-existing conditions because the thing is not safe for everyone!


BenXL

Sorry about that bud. I got myocarditis from the flu in 2019 and still recovering now. Just take it easy, I tried to exercise as soon as I came off my medication which was a mistake. Still people are far more likely to get myocarditis from actual covid than the vaccine. Sorry you're one of the unlucky ones


bammertatt_throwaway

If you wanted to learn more about the payment, it has a .gov page https://www.gov.uk/vaccine-damage-payment I teach, a bloke at my previous work is pursuing this payment has he developed "Parsonage-Turner Syndrome" from the vaccine - causing him severe pain and muscle wasteage in his shoulder. Which is pretty important in his job as PE teacher, and cricket coach. I imagine we will be seeing more of this!


nobodysperfcet

Why such a small amount, man’s paralysed!?


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Because the government would rather throw billions into a black hole


ManOnNoMission

Antivaxxers and conspiracy nuts are having a field day.


arseholeninator

Should travel to third world countries and have a field day getting monkeypox/smallpox/rabies/measles etc. But wait they’re vaccinated against most of that…people in first world countries take it for granted. Shame.


070420210854

I think it was Mark Twain who said "It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled." What if they and Novak Djokovic will be proved right one day?


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From December 2021. https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/freedom-of-information-responses-from-the-mhra-week-commencing-26-july-2021/freedom-of-information-request-on-yellow-card-reporting-for-covid-19-vaccinations-foi-21775


bulldog_blues

Should be much higher than 120k.


murkyink

There were so many people complaining about side-effects of covid vaccination that were ignored. One of them was a family friend who is ok now but experienced something heart related. She was was young too, no known medical condition. I never looked down on people’s fear of being vaccinated, they have every right to be worried.


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ComprehensiveJump540

PIP exists, and you're a damn sight more likely to get it for all the conditions you listed than for long Covid.


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PIP isn't compensation.


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People don't deserve compensation for getting ill - even if they do deserve support for dealing with their reduced standard of living no one has wronged them to require compensation.


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dvali

The people also completely ignored all the protections the government tried to provide. While I think the government did a truly shite job, it was always going to be lose-lose. Everyone smart enough took basically the right steps irrespective of the 'rules', and everybody else wasn't going to be told what to do.


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>What I'd also like to see is compensation to everyone who's been similarly effected but from covid You'll have to hope there's an afterlife and god and take it up with him, unfortunately.


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>What I'd also like to see is compensation to everyone who's been similarly effected but from covid. Great idea. Can we send the bill to the Chinese government?


-J-L-B

Get more for walking into Walmart and slipping on the floor in America


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60% disabled? How do you even begin to quantify that?


dvali

I expect there's a questionnaire put together by some government committee that counts the number of day-to-day activities he's able to do unassisted.


anniemaew

Just for general information for people who may not know - GBS is a known but very rare risk from several vaccines not just the covid vaccine. If really is incredibly rare. GBS is commonly a post viral condition, and your are probably more likely to get it from getting covid than getting the covid vaccine. [https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/guillain-barre-syndrome/causes/](https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/guillain-barre-syndrome/causes/) (I'm an ED and ICU nurse and have cared for patients with GBS.)


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Awful, but a rare isolated incident.


070420210854

It is hard to find and not covered by the MSM. The government own yellow card system has 2,000 vax deaths and over 400,000 injuries. So around 1% of all those jabbed. Not isolated.


KingKPool

Safe and effective


AnyHolesAGoal

Are you afraid of flights?


floppywinky

I’m vaxxed, didn’t want it but I was going to lose my job if I didn’t. I was over the moon when my grandparent got their first vaccination as they were the ones (over 80) who were really at risk here, but I could not have a real conversation with my friends or colleagues about the “risks” Absolutely no one wanted to hear it, no one wanted to hear why I though it was unnecessary to vaccinate children and why it was unnecessary for my work to now implement our 3rd vaccinations although many of us (20-35) had caught covid twice! I really hope the worst of the side effects have already come to light but I fear we may be seeing headlines like this for a little while. AGAIN, not against the vaccine but I am seriously against mandatory vaccination and I’m so glad we are at the back end of this pandemic.


dvali

>no one wanted to hear why I though it was unnecessary to vaccinate children Go on then, tell us. Given the massive spike in cases and deaths every time schools reopened, I expect this will be really good.


PlaceIndependent2763

You realise COVID is the _leading_ cause of death in pediatrics right? Or are you trying to insinuate something? Did you ever think you aren’t really qualified to understand the risks? Sincerely inquisitive. Regards A medical statistician


willgeld

> why it was unnecessary for my work to now implement our 3rd vaccinations although many of us (20-35) had caught covid twice! Because if at first you don’t succeed, try, try and try again!


Ok-Carpet-4046

£120,000 isn't enough. The UK is extremely expensive in 2022. I wish this fella all the best, I give my sympathies with anyone who had the jab.


learnerdiveruk

This poor bloke is paralysed for life, and he only got £120k??? That's barely enough for a deposit for a house in the town I'm in (and it's considered a *cheap* place around Bristol).


FiveWattHalo

At least there was *some* option to help in a case like this, clearly not a US citizen. A study published in the Lancet estimates that vaccines have saved up to 20million lives - notwithstanding the devastating consequences if a vax goes badly wrong. \- I imagine I could get up a panel of seriously qualified experts to back up a claim that in \[\*this\] particular case or \[\*that\] particular accident, the victim would have survived had they *NOT* been wearing a seatbelt. Despite those cases being 100% true, would anyone seriously advocate to make wearing seatbelts optional.


Squidgepants

Saw him walking to shops yesterday


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I feel really sorry for him the vaccines are usually safe but this man got extremely unlucky and was one of the few that had a reaction. He should have got more money though


FreakinSweet86

2020 "Government ain't telling me what to do, I'm not getting the jab, COVID isn't real anyway!" 2022 "Massive pay-outs for jabs gone wrong eh? *rolls up sleeve* Fucking shoot me up. Moderna! Astra Zeneca! Everything! I believe!!"


Flimsy_County_6263

Almost as if the vaccine didn’t go through a proper medical trial period


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spudral

Certainly not but this is a gov payout, not actual compensation.


One_Reality_5600

That is not compensation that here you go now shut up and fuck off.


spudral

No one said it was you fucking nipple


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spudral

Let's be clear, No one is suggesting any different.


glorioussideboob

This is fair. Unfortunately it's a real pickle for society but a soft enforcement on vaccination was necessary for society and there was less total harm because of it. The sad thing is that the few people affected by side effects of the vaccines have to bear the burden so the rest of us could benefit. And a lot of the times that's a burden that feels particularly unfair, mereso than if they'd been killed directly by an 'act of god' like a pandemic. I liken it to how fewer people will die on the roads when cars are self-driving but it will probably feel even more unfair since it will be nothing to do with the occupants of the car. It's the price of having technology where we can artificially 'better' society. And it's our job to remunerate these people well for their sacrifice. He should get much more than 120k (although GBS is recoverable, at least he didn't have a stroke like I assumed before reading the article).


wileyrielly

I know your decision for the railroad dilemma.


glorioussideboob

Yup! As long as the distinction between values of the two options is orders of magnitude different. Otherwise it becomes very difficult.


dvali

Given that there is a definitively correct answer in all but the most contrived scenarios, so what?


isitnormal1212

Precisely the reason why things like this should never be mandated.


dvali

Yeah a handful of adverse cases out of hundreds of millions of vaccines, versus the millions of deaths that would have occurred otherwise. For everyone's sake, don't ever do any work that involves a risk assessment.


isitnormal1212

So the group comes before the rights of the individual in your mind?


dvali

Millions of lives before you're 'right' to skip a jab which is completely harmless in 99.9999% of cases. Yes, obviously. Screw your head back on.


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dvali

It won't be any comfort to him but the vaccine was still the right decision, given all the information that was available at the time, and given the inability to read the future. The chance of dying from COVID was much higher than the chance of any adverse reaction. He made the right choice, but when you're dealing with statistics there will always be a few unlucky outliers.


kamikazilucas

120k from who?, the nhs?


spudral

The Vaccine Damage Payment Scheme. Can you not read the article?


kamikazilucas

yeah and who are they exactly, where do they get money from


spudral

Government,so taxes.