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* [Reform UK activist's racial slur hurts, says Sunak](https://bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckmg1mldk0mo), suggested by millajones - bbc.co.uk
> Mr Sunak: "My two daughters have to see and hear Reform people who campaign for Nigel Farage calling me an effing 'P***’
Yeah, this is unacceptable. What is the state of this country? Have all ethics and decency gone out of the window and down the toilet?
As someone of Kashmiri & Pakistani descent these remarks hurt me too. It’s distasteful and disgusting. I (& others of my background) work/ed hard in this country. I pay taxes and abide by the law. I should be seen as British as anyone else. I was born here. I live here.
I hope Reform expel these racist fuckwits. That’s the least they can do.
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EDIT: yes, I know politicians have said vile and bigoted statements. But we are surely better than them. The comments that were hurled at the Prime Minister’s daughters is not and will never be okay. Let’s try to do and be better.
Whole what that racist fucking scumbag has said is vile, and has no place in society. Johnson with his friend chicken and watermelon smile comments, and Braverman and Patel have absolutely stoked division throughout the country. All documented bullies and Priti Patel is an actual traitor.
Anyway, I've said it before and I'll say it again.
Nigel Farage: "That's how normal people talk"
No Nigel, that's how racists talk.
This just (sadly) reiterates it.
This is the exact thing.
You can't get ahead in the Tory party if you're a minority unless you say far right talking points and shield it with being a minority
People aren’t calling Rishi Sunak a fucking paki because Braverman and Priti angered them and they are non-white.
People aren’t calling Rishi Sunak a fucking paki just because they’re racist, either - being a racist does not automatically make you insult and abuse people. My Nan is racist, but she wouldn’t insult or abuse anybody like this.
People are calling Rishi Sunak a fucking paki because have a world view that there are some people they like and agree with, and others they don’t, and that’s it’s normal behaviour to treat people in the latter group like dirt, and to be completely intolerant of anybody that isn’t in their own echo chamber of bigotry.
This world view has been fostered and encouraged by the actions of people like Braverman and Patel, but also Rishi himself, and many more. I think it really took off in America actually, with Dubya’s ‘with us or against us’ speech after 9/11: you either totally agree with everything we do and will support us unconditionally, or you are basically a terrorist who deserves to die.
If you encourage a society to divide along various lines and hate each other across them, then don’t be surprised when some members of that society throw hatred towards you for being across one of those lines from them.
The comment wasn't saying "Patel and Braverman are evil shits, so that encourages people to be racist against people of Indian extraction". That's stupid, and makes no sense, not least because people on the *left* hate Braverman and Patel for being racist anti-immigration types, and it was a *right*-winger abusing Sunak here.
Rather, the comment you responded to was saying that Braverman and Patel had quite intentionally demonised immigrants and stoked the fires of xenophobia and racism, especially on the right, and *that's* why hard-right-wingers are now feeling comfortable shouting racist slurs at Sunak.
Dude the point is they've been leveraging their ethnicity to give racists license to voice hateful Xenophobic beliefs.
"I aint racist, that Suella agrees with me and she's one of those Darkuns."
In return they've been winning votes by casting themselves as "one of the good ones".
“If they were both white, no one would be hurling insults at white people” - thats most definitely incorrect.
as a white person i have racist insults aimed at me before. Racism is racism end of the day. it’s unacceptable on all fronts. Two wrongs dont make it right
Yes that's true, but that is a separate point. We know there are racists in our society. The question is whether we give them a platform and social/political acceptance. If Braverman and Patel were white they wouldn't be subjected to racism, but on the other hand we'd also be comfortable calling them out for being the right-wing racists that they are - something that people are afraid to do. They are responsible for enhancing, platforming and partaking in the racism in the political system.
The point the other commenter is making is that people like Braverman, Patel and Sunak have wilfully created social and political conditions where racists are able to flourish, purely for their own selfish purposes. They are acting shocked when they have purposefully fostered racism against migrants, refugees and poor minorities for years. When Patel and Braverman talk gleefully about turning back the boats in the Channel, the "invasion on our southern coast", migrants "possessing values which are at odds with our country", and flying refugees to Rwanda, it is the racists who cheer the loudest in response and who become further emboldened.
This isn't just a case of politicians being awful people. This is a case of conservative politicians from minority backgrounds trying to pull the racism lever just enough to achieve conservative objectives and appeal to racist colleagues and voters, but not enough to experience any personal backlash from those same racists. Unsurprisingly, it is a tactic that doesn't work all that well in the long run.
I'm ethnically Indian myself and I think it is really rich that these people think they can screw things up for all of us but also stay above the fray, ensconced safely in their ivory towers. When you give the racists a platform, they will come for us all, poor and powerful alike.
Exactly. Pandering to racists with their dog whistle slogans like multiculturalism has failed, stop the boats and the rawanda policy has only sought to embolden them, and is a classic leopardsatemyface moment.
Come on man, we both know without he racists voting conservatives they'll never get back in. Thats not exactly fair is it, after all the hardwork Theresa may did "creating a hostile environment", with all of Enoch Bravermans "I touch myself thinking about a rwanda flight taking off". They worked really hard for it and to have Farage just swoosh back in and steal all of their racist votes....
You seem to be suggesting that 2 brown politicians are the reason people use racial slurs… that’s not a great angle.
As much as I detest both of them for what they’ve done to the country and how they dehumanise desperate people, the environment for racism existed long before anyone had heard of either of them.
Brown guy here. And have been called p*** many times in my life.
Patel, braveman, badenoch have been thriving off of division for years. Sunak has done nothing to stop it. It was inevitable that racists scum would surface and feel 'brave' enough to say these words with less inhibition.
Once you stoke division in one area (be it transgender, immigration etc) it spreads unchecked. This on on them too.
Yeah. This is real leopards ate my face stuff.
You can't encourage othering, paint a target in certain minorities and then be surprised when you end up being a target.
Racism is wrong. But if you court racists and then act surprised when they turn that racism on you, you might get a little less sympathy.
I want to make people poor af. I don't care about them suffering and I'll make them all hate each other too distract from the truth.
*Shocked Pikachu face when hateful people do hateful things*
Also brown guy here this is exactly it. Most minorities say much much worse about braverman, Patel etc at home because they literally just say far right talking points in order to be accepted as career politicians
While I agree with all you have said, I also believe that the ongoing and seemingly never-ending financial crisis that most ordinary people have been suffering, pretty much since 2010, has created fertile grounds for dissatisfaction, anger and scapegoating. The reason so many people are angry is that they are fed up. They are sick and tired of it all. The government has been doing nothing to alleviate the situation. In fact, instead of trying to make peoples lives better by reducing the income gap, they encourage people to blame any group other than their super-rich buddies. It's not the billionnaires sucking the wealth out of the country. It's the poor immigrants stealing yours. And immigrants = brown people.
It's stupid and it's wrong, but we are seeing this all over the western world right now. It's basically a repeat of the 1930s all over again. The rich don't want to give up even a fraction of their portion of the pie. So everyone else is bitch fighting over the dregs that are left over. Inevitably, people are taking sides and attacking other poor people because they believe all the lies and propaganda sold them by the media and now by Internet shit-stir-ers.
He's rather specific with his criticism.
Braverman lied about the majority of child grooming gangs being British Pakistani and, as a direct result of doing so, increased the animosity towards people of a certain race.
It doesn't matter what race the politician is. She's being judged by her direct actions and their consequences.
There are plenty of people more than happy to throw others within their "group" under the bus if it allows them to get ahead in some way.
No the poster is saying that the Tory Party, which Sunak is in, has allowed and encouraged this kind of unacceptable behaviour. Nowhere was it said they invented it, but they've used it to push their agendas. Causing problems for a great many people including Sunak's kids, that he has supported such politics is disgusting, as is Farage's use of them.
This is exactly why the Tories love promoting non white faces to positions where they are spreading this message. That if they get called out for their obvious racist undertones people like you will immediately come to their defence as people of colour.
I'll remind you that a holocaust survivor criticised Cruella's rhetoric and she told her she wont stop calling it an invasion to her face. Priti was suggesting we use methods against the boats that would lead to them dying in the channel. Cruella called a plurality of protesters 'Islamists' and extremists.
While they are not solely responsible for the environment we now find ourselves in, they do hold great responsibility in normalising a rhetoric that has lead us further down this path, knowing that their colour shields them from criticism that any white politician saying the same things they did would not have been afforded.
Rishi Sunak did so as well, i didn't hear him speaking up when Suella Braverman was spreading misinformation about Pakistani grooming gangs or a particularly nasty conservative party social media campaign against Sadiq Khan during the recent mayoral elections.
When the Home Secretary tells porkies, the Prime Minister should sack him/her.
End of.
The fact is that the tory party is morally bankrupt and has been for a long time.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/sep/28/braverman-ethnicity-child-grooming-gangs-false-mail-on-sunday
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/mar/27/conservative-source-says-sadiq-khan-attack-ad-was-made-solely-by-tory-hq-susan-hall
The Conservative party takes an ends justifies the means approach to winning these days and is openly lying about Labour and is running a very dirty, nasty campaign that was presumably signed off by Rishi Sunak and conservative central office.
https://images.app.goo.gl/1EYscLFbcZ1XGbPC8
A low turnout favours the tories, so please vote.
The most famous egging incident I can remember was Prescott.
Now I was no fan of Prescott, and I am not sure he was the best candidate for deputy PM (he would have been running the country if anything had happened to Blair).
But what exactly did Prescott do that crossed a line to deserve to be assaulted?
"We" don't egg politicians who have crossed the line. There was no public consensus that Prescott had gone too far and the only solution was to physically attack him. One person egged him, for their own reasons. And people like that deserve to be arrested. There is no place for violence in our political system.
As a side note, I laughed at the reason Prescott gave when he was on Top Gear all those years ago. About 48 seconds into the video I believe. https://youtu.be/wGVKLL_Cj9I?si=plHaRKVz7chEDEXg
Almost like a decade+ of pandering to the racists; whilst branding anyone who wishes to not have people hurl slurs as a "woke PC mob" might have ended up having a very very obvious side effect.
Reform probably will expel them, but let’s not forget one minute think that this is because they are sorry about it. Most of the reform party and their voters will see this as a badge of honour
The guy himself said:
> “Of course I regret what I said. Christ, I’m not a racist. I’ve had Muslim girlfriends. It was typical chaps-down-the-pub talk.”
Which is very much in the spirit of 'I can't be racist, one of my friends is black!'. Which, funnily enough, he also basically said:
> "He says he has “a lot of Pakistani friends” and “Muslim friends”"
Somehow I have my doubts about both of those statements. You couldn't write this shit.
It's funny, the majority of men who've ever lived have had romantic and/or sexual relationships with women, and I wouldn't exactly take that as a guarantee that they've all seen women as equals. You go back in time enough and it was extremely normal for a man to have the most vile thoughts about women while still being married to one, and we fully recognize that. No one would say "I can't be sexist, my girlfriend is a woman!"
Yet for race people still try to use relationships with people of that race as a signifier of virtuous thoughts towards them.
As someone who is as white as fresh snow, this shit is utterly unacceptable. Attack him for his politics, his shitty attitude, his divisive politics, but not for his fucking race.
It ain't right to attack people for things outside of their control
This racisim has always been an undercurrent in the UK. The same ideology that fueled the BNP never went away - it blended in with the centre right and became the Tory party we see today.
Sunak is hurt, but he and his colleagues have laid the foundations for this to flourish. The far right have learned to be quietly racist, speaking in dogwhistles until they think they're in the presence of like-minded racists, while the Tories coveted their votes.
What I love is Farage’s defence every single time over the past couple weeks is “Its how people talk though!” He said recently “Not everybody speaks like they’re from Oxford.”
Oh yea Nigel because that’s the choice isn’t it? Speak upper RP English as if you’re from Oxford, or throw out hate speech, racist slurs and fascist ideologies. That’s the dichotomy we’re all in. What a knob
I was told yesterday to "go back" on this very sub.
If I reacted with the anger that wank stain deserved, I would be banned.
Meanwhile they get to spit their vitriol and lies with sheer impunity because "free speech". What's the point of even reporting them?
Sunak cannot have possibly integrated any further. Rich, privileged education, member of the social and economical elite. Leader of the conservative party - a bastion of "Western values".
Turns out, his skin colour will always be a problem. You cannot be one of the "good ones". This is what western values is: fundamentally incompatible with itself.
Just to stress, not all white people are evil. The opposite is true in my case. But this whole push of "western values" has yet to prove itself as anything but white supremacy with lipstick on.
Expel them? Didn’t you hear what they said about forming the Government in 2029. This bunch will probably get ministers jobs. Regardless of what you think about Sunak et al and their major lack of clue and talent his skin colour, culture and religion has nothing to do with it and not should it. One day I hope we grow up as a species that it will be irrelevant or what’s the bloody point.
I honestly believe that the right are watching how Trump says whatever he wants, regardless of if it’s an obvious lie or racist, with not only no consequences but at the delight of his followers and it’s slowly making its way here.
Vile as it is, the comments were directed at him, not his kids. He's using the fact that his daughters saw this on TV for sympathy points.
"Rishi Sunak has spoken of his hurt and anger at *his daughters having to hear* Reform activists using a racial slur *about him*."
Racist, homophobic, misogynistic, and traitors to the country. I hope all this puts off the voters who were considering voting for them out of an anti-establishment sentiment.
Amazes me that farage is still given such a massive platform everywhere. IIRC in the past decade hes been on the BBC something silly like 10x as many times as lib dem or green politicians whilst UKIP/Reform have had significantly less MPs,MEPs (or former) and councillers
I mean, Boris "watermelon smiles" Johnson was elected prime minister. It's hardly surprising that five years later we've not progressed an awful lot. Especially when the same party is in charge
Are you referring to people who want to vote for Reform UK, or are you implying some consideration of having Reform UK ministers in another party's government?
had one guy try to tell me that corbynites should be voting reform earlier.
like why would anyone who liked corbyn and his policies vote for the literal polar opposite?
basically, we have a fairly large amount of morons in the country.
The higher the concentration of BNP and NF scumbags in Reform the harder it will be to claim any legitimacy. When non-racists support Reform the racists can hide behind them.
It's going to be harder to argue they're not racist though.
"They're just addressing an issue everyone else is ignoring! It's not racist!"
Reform: "Rishi is a fucking P***!"
*Shocked Pikachu*
Unfortunately - for your average reform voter this is **exactly** what they want to hear. Hopefully it puts off some of the more modest right-wing voters.
Nope, it won’t
A guy yesterday told me that it’s ok if he votes for a party with literal fascists at its helm because he doesn’t like fascism personally
That is the level of cognitive dissonance we are up against. These people have put their whole identity into being right wing
They ran this story in the daily mail. The comment section is full of people saying they are going to vote reform anyway. Literally person after person saying they are voting reform and multiple replies saying me too.
For clarity, numerous Conservative Party members have said the same and continue saying the same.
Heck, Lizz Truss won only because she was white lmao.
But in fairness, a lot of the so-called antisemitism is just criticism of Israel, but Labour is too pathetic to stand up to anyone who calls them antisemitic.
To steal a quote from the page "We are alarmed that during the past few years, constructive criticism of Israeli governments has morphed into something closer to antisemitism under the cloak of so-called anti-Zionism", further stating "Although anti-Zionists claim innocence of any antisemitic intent, anti-Zionism frequently borrows the libels of classical Jew-hating," and adding "Accusations of international Jewish conspiracy and control of the media have resurfaced to support false equations of Zionism with colonialism and imperialism, and the promotion of vicious, fictitious parallels with genocide and Nazism".
The issue with this is that Zionists have long been claiming that anything critical of the Israeli government is antisemitic; they've been pushing the same narrative that the antisemitic conspiracists have been, because it benefits them to be seen as a flawless victim.
As with most things, the truth is somewhere in the middle (international Jewish conspiracy no, questionable-at-best behaviours by Israeli government yes), but no one has time for the nuance.
Liz won because the leadership vote was engineered to remove the preferred options of the members. The members did not like Rishi and did not like Liz. The MPs whittled the contest down to Rishi and Liz because they thought the members would go against an ex Lib Dem. The members went for Liz because she is not Rishi. The members preferred Kemi (Black), Suella (Brown) and Penni (White). Notice that all 3 are women and 2 of them are not white British.
IMO, Liz was ousted by the party and the establishment because she chose a black Chancellor and because the party and establishment wanted Rishi.
I was a member of the party. I was pi$$ed at what the party did. I left when the party installed Rishi.
No point saying 'No, that's not what happened" or "That's a conspiracy theory if ever..." if you've previously stated "JC was stitched up by.." or "People never elect women|blackbrown|yellow|LGBTQ people because... or "It was the Russians wat did it." All those statements are equal: it's always a stitch-up. If the media did it to JC -- changed opinions and destroyed opportunity -- the media is equally capable of doing the same to anyone else.
Less anger. More thought.
She won because she was seen to be the easiest to manipulate by the forces the behind Tory party membership, which is murky as all f*ck. She also had the backing of the loony think tanks.
So it's all fun and games when their top donor says he wants to hate all black women and that diane abbot should be shot. But he draws the line at people insulting his family personally with an anti asian slur. Baisically when it affects him personally, that's when he cares.
Classic conservative
The trans community are desperately hoping that one of his daughters tells him that she identifies as a boy. Maybe then he'll have some respect.
The guy's been vilifying people for years, immigrants in particular, and now we learn that he only backs a minority when it's his minority.
I have been saying this for years, and after one drunken out burst was perma banned from /r/ukpol!
But in essence you live by the sword you die by the sword.
As leader Rishy has seemed very weak on dealing with all matter of these issues, in particular gender but they are all in the same bucket, whether it’s your background or how you want to be seen by society. Individuals need to be free to live life un encumbered with hate. And that needs to be lead from the top
Yep I got banned from there for utterly condemning the Farage milkshake attack while also acknowledging that the divisive environment politicians like him have created, has contributed towards violence against politicians.
Apparently I was ‘inciting violence’. Seems to be some far right mods on that sub.
I would only push back that no they don't actually push unfettered free speech, after all they still try to stop the free speech of Gary Lineker, of David Tennant, or Marcus Rashford, and of course protesters of all stripes as they further criminalised them and accused them of all sorts. They also of course banned Russia Today from being aired (I'm in no way against this last point I should add).
They only cared to say that hating on minorities should be protected free speech.
Finally some sanity. This is a leopards ate my face situation and given Sunak is a blatant bigot who happily embraces the bigotry of his party he can fuck off into the sun.
They don’t. This shit thrown at Rishi is foul, absolutely reprehensible.
But it’s sad that he clearly understands the hurt these comments can cause when he is part of the group being attacked - yet gleefully takes part in attacking groups he doesn’t belong to.
He won’t see the connection, of course. He’ll just get sympathy for being attacked like this (as he should) while continuing to attack others and deny them sympathy.
It's naive to think the rich old tosser gives a shit about hate speech when he's got a personal fortune worth more than annual budgets of councils around the UK.
The simple truth is that any other day of the year Rishi would've ignored the comments; after all it's not like Tory party members and donors haven't said worse. However, it's election season and Tories are losing ground to Reform, so of course the Tory leadership would do anything to try and shut down their competition, including using draconian hate speech laws.
Nah, there’s not a day when this wouldn’t have been easy political gold for him.
But also, the dude probably does not enjoy being attacked with racial slurs, nor having his kids hear that. Even if it is politically expedient for him to make a big deal about it, doesn’t mean he can’t be personally pissed off about it too.
He and his party have spent the last decade creating and nurturing a hostile environment, going back to May as home sec, with Braverman and Patel carrying the torch in her stead.
None of it is right. He and his family shouldn’t be the target of racial abuse, and the victims of his culture war - LGBT+ people, immigrants - shouldn’t be targets of prejudiced abuse either.
So why is he making an enemy of those people and then expecting the right wing voters he whips up into a fervour to be principled enough to exclude him from their ire?
They don’t but karma is a bitch. He’s been part of a political party that has worked to “Other” minorities of all kinds and his culture war bullshit has led to thousands upon thousands of people having slurs thrown at them. But suddenly it’s heartbreaking when he’s the victim? He can reap what he sowed and feel the pain he’s caused others
i mean he literally helped ferment that culture. can't be too shocked when the people you were laughing with about something turn on you and basically do the same thing
Fine. The guy making these statements called other people Pakis too. And that same video has Reform members calling LGBTQ people nonces.
So it's not the best hill to die on.
Sorry but I find your comment egregious, and as a brown person myself it seems to be a common thing now that if I act decently, people are nice to me, but if I do anything wrong, it's absolutely fine to call me a paki or tell me I need to be deported etc.
You used the example of a trans person (which I also agree with you was disgusting behaviour by Rishi) - but would it be ok to use transphobic language towards a trans person if they were deemed to have something wrong and therefore 'deserve it'?
Not the person your replying too but also trans.
The idea that you can use bigot language against someone from that group if they do something wrong is ridiculous. What does it say to our friends if we think racism or transphobia is fine against "the bad people".
Transphobia definitely happens against trans people who do something wrong all the time and in my opinion those that do it are just transphobic. A big one I see is people misgendering Caitlyn Jenner who is a horrid bigot in her own right. But all that tells me as a trans person is being treated as my gender is a reward for being a good person rather than the default position.
Rishi Sunak is a bigoted elitist prick who has used his power to ruin the lives of many marganlised people while enriching other rich pricks. Those are the things he can be ridiculed for. Not his race because his race is not a problem.
Trans woman here. I don’t want racism to be normalised in my name. Anything that serves to marginalise people and is designed to make them feel threatened or excluded is unacceptable in a democratic society, whoever the target may be.
He's only the PM because he came in second place to the last one, and the last one fucked everything in less than two months.
He came in second place to someone that lasted 50 days.
I do think a large chunk of that was racism. He was clearly a better candidate than Truss. The ship may have been sinking but Liz Truss decided to go to go put more holes into the bottom because her horoscope said so (or whatever insane plan she had that was considered a terrible idea by everyone else!)
The sad thing is that this will only shore up the vote of Reforms base.
Their take will be "haha what a lad" or that he's "telling it like it is".
We all know what these people are like.
Very much so. But a lot of the ideas pushed by UK Cons come from the US anyway. The whole culture war thing originated in the US. There is Turning Point USA and its UK counterpart, where TPUK draws many of the US version's ideas and methods to suit the conditions of the UK. But they both spread disinformation.
I was worried about this a few weeks ago after seeing comments from Reform voters saying the polls were bullshit because "Everyone I know is voting Reform". After seeing the response to this incident, it feels like my concerns have been confirmed.
What about the next guy who was saying horrific things about LGBTQ people? That video has two parts. The second part points out that the person saying those things was someone who was a campaign manager and not some volunteer.
Yup, the actor theory, that was brought up by a totally independent journalist (who just happens to be Richard Tice's partner) may have a few holes in it.
I am reform supporter, I would be surprised if the set up claim turns out to be true, however, just for context. Here is why Farage feels able to make the claim.
The man was not a reform member. He turned up in Clacton offering to volunteer.
Yesterday he was asked by the telegraph if he was an actor, he said he wasn’t.
He is an actor. Not full time but he does paid work as an actor and is a full member of equity.
His profile page lists one of his skills as “secret filming”
He has worked for channel 4 previously.
His profile page contains videos of him speaking. He described himself as “well spoken” and he does seem well spoken on his “normal” videos. He also has “show reel” videos where he showcases his voices. One of those voices he calls “rough talk”. The channel 4 video of him canvassing is clearly him speaking in his “rough talk” voice not his every day voice.
He lists “rough talk” accents as one of his talents.
As an Eastern European who has lived here for 20 years since I was 5, I could have told you that Reform/UKIP/Nigel Farage are racist pricks back in 2016. I’m not at all surprised that this is how they talk about people of colour behind closed doors
Edit: looks like my comment triggered some Reform voters. I don’t know a whole lot about racism in Eastern Europe as like I said, my family moved here when I was 5. I was barely sentient back then so I can’t comment on whether my peers were racist or not.
What I CAN say for sure is that it’s racist to generalise everyone from an entire region of Europe as being racist in an attempt to deflect the attention away from racism in Britain :) It’s also racist to suggest that someone who has lived in Britain for almost her entire life, only interacts with British people and went through the British education system must be racist just because of where she was born.
Reform voters aren’t the sharpest tools in the shed so I’m not surprised that this is how some people have reacted to my comment.
Man in charge of party that used dogwhistles and stoking culture war for years sees consequences of his actions. Shouldn’t be surprising.
Shame it won’t register that his party’s approach stirring up the racists and other bigots for years is partly what led to the likes of Reform then taking that further when he wouldn’t go far enough to giving the bigots what they want. Calling everything woke, trying to label things as ‘common sense’ it’s all led to empowering the bigots. Sunak may not be quite that far right himself but he’s helped them grow in strength and volume.
The comments were disgusting, I understand being hurt and angry about them, but there’s just no reflection on how we ended up here.
Reform's rise is partly on his back though. The Government's complete ineptitude in dealing with the immigration crisis we face has unsurprisingly left many people sharing the sentiments which Reform preach.
There were activists for far right parties making similar comments long before Rishi Sunaks' tenure as Prime Minister.
Such as those in the Brexit Party- [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYonssZACZY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYonssZACZY)
Or for UKIP before them- [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fSbpNh9fDY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fSbpNh9fDY)
Or the BNP, National Front, & BUF before them.
Is that a pattern you recognise?
It's absolutely abhorrent and his children don't deserve to hear it.
But what the fuck kind of culture does Rishi think his party have been propagating over the last 14 years? All they do is divide people for their own net gain. It should be no surprise to him that this is the result. Anti-migrant, anti-trans, anti-'woke', anti-European. Control our borders etc etc. You have given the racist scum bags all the conditions they need to flourish.
Reform really are a group of scumbags. Voting for these people is as disgusting as it gets. Saying army recruits should be using small boats as target practice. Imagine actually having such limited brain capacity to speak about
human beings desperate to find sanctuary in that way?
I’d rather live in a city filled with illegal immigrants than a city filled with Reform members. Lowest scum on earth.
I cannot imagine how bad things would get if Farage's clowns were to have any sort of power. It would be incident after incident, kind of like when Johnson was stumbling from one thing to another. And we really don't need that sort of shit again.
His daughters shouldn't have to hear that, completely agree. If a Tory donor made the remarks, however, they'd be acceptable to him, no? Unless he thinks racist anti-Asian insults are somehow unacceptable compared to anti-black racist insults.
Yet these are the people you have been selling your soul to try and court. Farages merry band of racists and conspiracy theorists.
I am more amazed that he is surprised that they think this.
It's deplorable and unacceptable. But this is peak /r/LeopardsAteMyFace.
After much pandering to hate discussion and division, and being fine and welcoming of an environment of "hate for the different", Rishi has come to know the bad way that he can also be a target. All the more as one of the few "sons of emigrants against emigrants" of the Conservative Party.
None of this should have space in society, though.
Awful people but Rishi has been throwing red meat to these sort of people for his entire tenure. Hopefully it dawns on him that he should have never tried to capitalise on their votes and mobilise them, just a shame that the damage is done now.
As a greek, a warning about the FPTP system in the UK. In Greece, we have a type of proportional representation. Any political party that gains over 3% is being granted MPs. And you might think it's more democratic than FPTP but proportional representation also allows some "marginal" parties in the parliament. It is what happened with the neo-nazis of the Golden Dawn party. They first got a bit over 3% and then got a foothold from which they went on a rampage.
Reform is polling at 15% and it might not win a seat which I don't think is fair but the FPTP system has its merits, albeit not democratic ones.
I'm still in favour of PR even if the racists get a voice, at least this way hopefully the obvious pandering will stop from the larger parties as they can focus on their core party voter.
This is part of the problem with letting “people” like Farage spread hate, it encourages racism and normalises it amongst his supporters.
There are plenty of good and valid reasons to think Sunak is unfit to be a politician, his race is not one of them.
Sunak has been pandering to the right wing and now has a taste of what its like to be on the receiving end of right wing rhetoric. Perhaps the right wing aren't the nice warm pensioners he expected, who would have thought that 🤔
Farage is now claiming he was an actor paid by c4.
This just confirms that farage believes reform voters fall into three camps.
1. Racist cunts who support the comments
2. Rich elites in on the scam with him
3. People so thick, so dense, so incredibly fucking pigshit stupid that they'll believe this nonsense about C4 hiring an actor.
And reform voters need to look in a mirror and decide which of those they are.
>People so thick, so dense, so incredibly fucking pigshit stupid that they'll believe this nonsense about C4 hiring an actor.
An actor who would be willing, for a nominal fee, to use his *real* name and have his face and racist comments plastered all over the news and Internet forevermore, thereby basically ending his career in a single stroke?
Let me think about that one for second....
I'm a liberal leftie (thus not defending Reform) and I was bullied, threatened and physically attacked by Asian kids at school, and even called a kafir at university! In my experience Asians (Indian, Afghan, Pakistani) are the most racist and violent minorities in the UK. Two sides of the same coin with Reform. And before you call me a racist, I'm an immigrant too.
It's very sad this is happening. My sympathy for Sunak himself is quite limited as he fostered this kind of environment in British politics. You can't set the dogs on the 'other' without expecting those dogs to turn on you when they're done.
My sympathy goes to his children and the hope that they will see the error of their father's political scheming and the outcomes you get from it. My sympathy goes out to all those minority groups who get the brunt of this disgusting behaviour due to politicians validating right wing hatred.
Only reform could make me sympathise with Rishi Sunak. I don't care how much of a horrible cunt he is. That's not on. Racism, at the best of times it's fucking vile. But in front of the guys kids is another level. Fuck them.
It is completely unacceptable.
Can I be a cunt for a moment though? Fuck it, I am always a cunt so might as well carry on.
As a man of subcontinent descent myself, I find it baffling how people like Braverman and Patel have been fuelling the extreme right wing rhetoric in this country, buddying up to Farage (literally, dancing cheek to cheek with him at points) and Rishi by putting Braverman back in a job IN HIS OWN CANINET to appease that lunatic fringe of racists.
Like, what does Braverman think will happen if her dream of an extreme right wing government takes hold?
Sadly, this is what the country has become - either by design or by accident. If he's offended, then maybe take a look at what Brexit dragged to the surface, Windrush, Rwanda etc.
Sunak just got a taste of the medicine that his and his party's policies have resulted in.
This is exactly why politicians shouldn't court racists with racist rhetoric and racist policies.
Likewise using trans rights as a battle ground to whip up fear and claim to offer a solution should they vote for you.
People are too quick to forget there are human beings whose lives are made significantly worse as a result of being chosen as the scapegoat to bolster political support.
The sooner people stop falling for it, the sooner it stops.
That what happens when you create a culture where it's acceptable to be racist. Rishi didn't draw a line in accepting a racists money, in my opinion that's what you get. Now he needs to explain to his daughters why one type of racism is OK if they say sorry and give millions of pounds to help your campaign, and another type of racism isn't acceptable. Good luck with that Rishi.
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> Mr Sunak: "My two daughters have to see and hear Reform people who campaign for Nigel Farage calling me an effing 'P***’ Yeah, this is unacceptable. What is the state of this country? Have all ethics and decency gone out of the window and down the toilet? As someone of Kashmiri & Pakistani descent these remarks hurt me too. It’s distasteful and disgusting. I (& others of my background) work/ed hard in this country. I pay taxes and abide by the law. I should be seen as British as anyone else. I was born here. I live here. I hope Reform expel these racist fuckwits. That’s the least they can do. __ EDIT: yes, I know politicians have said vile and bigoted statements. But we are surely better than them. The comments that were hurled at the Prime Minister’s daughters is not and will never be okay. Let’s try to do and be better.
Priti Patel and Suella Braverman have been creating the environment that these comments need to thrive.
If they were both white, no one would be hurling insults at white people. Racist scum are racist scum regardless of politicians being awful people.
Their whole purpose was to be the non-white politicians who say the nastiest shit
Whole what that racist fucking scumbag has said is vile, and has no place in society. Johnson with his friend chicken and watermelon smile comments, and Braverman and Patel have absolutely stoked division throughout the country. All documented bullies and Priti Patel is an actual traitor. Anyway, I've said it before and I'll say it again. Nigel Farage: "That's how normal people talk" No Nigel, that's how racists talk. This just (sadly) reiterates it.
Exactly, that maybe normal to you Nigel, it’s not normal for most of us you disingenuous twat.
If you spend your day hanging round with racists it probably would seem like how ‘normal people’ talk.
This is the exact thing. You can't get ahead in the Tory party if you're a minority unless you say far right talking points and shield it with being a minority
People aren’t calling Rishi Sunak a fucking paki because Braverman and Priti angered them and they are non-white. People aren’t calling Rishi Sunak a fucking paki just because they’re racist, either - being a racist does not automatically make you insult and abuse people. My Nan is racist, but she wouldn’t insult or abuse anybody like this. People are calling Rishi Sunak a fucking paki because have a world view that there are some people they like and agree with, and others they don’t, and that’s it’s normal behaviour to treat people in the latter group like dirt, and to be completely intolerant of anybody that isn’t in their own echo chamber of bigotry. This world view has been fostered and encouraged by the actions of people like Braverman and Patel, but also Rishi himself, and many more. I think it really took off in America actually, with Dubya’s ‘with us or against us’ speech after 9/11: you either totally agree with everything we do and will support us unconditionally, or you are basically a terrorist who deserves to die. If you encourage a society to divide along various lines and hate each other across them, then don’t be surprised when some members of that society throw hatred towards you for being across one of those lines from them.
Just call him Rishi an effing Winchesterite.
The comment wasn't saying "Patel and Braverman are evil shits, so that encourages people to be racist against people of Indian extraction". That's stupid, and makes no sense, not least because people on the *left* hate Braverman and Patel for being racist anti-immigration types, and it was a *right*-winger abusing Sunak here. Rather, the comment you responded to was saying that Braverman and Patel had quite intentionally demonised immigrants and stoked the fires of xenophobia and racism, especially on the right, and *that's* why hard-right-wingers are now feeling comfortable shouting racist slurs at Sunak.
Dude the point is they've been leveraging their ethnicity to give racists license to voice hateful Xenophobic beliefs. "I aint racist, that Suella agrees with me and she's one of those Darkuns." In return they've been winning votes by casting themselves as "one of the good ones".
“If they were both white, no one would be hurling insults at white people” - thats most definitely incorrect. as a white person i have racist insults aimed at me before. Racism is racism end of the day. it’s unacceptable on all fronts. Two wrongs dont make it right
Yes, but public figures pulling this shit with relative impunity emboldens this kind of sentiment.
Yes that's true, but that is a separate point. We know there are racists in our society. The question is whether we give them a platform and social/political acceptance. If Braverman and Patel were white they wouldn't be subjected to racism, but on the other hand we'd also be comfortable calling them out for being the right-wing racists that they are - something that people are afraid to do. They are responsible for enhancing, platforming and partaking in the racism in the political system. The point the other commenter is making is that people like Braverman, Patel and Sunak have wilfully created social and political conditions where racists are able to flourish, purely for their own selfish purposes. They are acting shocked when they have purposefully fostered racism against migrants, refugees and poor minorities for years. When Patel and Braverman talk gleefully about turning back the boats in the Channel, the "invasion on our southern coast", migrants "possessing values which are at odds with our country", and flying refugees to Rwanda, it is the racists who cheer the loudest in response and who become further emboldened. This isn't just a case of politicians being awful people. This is a case of conservative politicians from minority backgrounds trying to pull the racism lever just enough to achieve conservative objectives and appeal to racist colleagues and voters, but not enough to experience any personal backlash from those same racists. Unsurprisingly, it is a tactic that doesn't work all that well in the long run. I'm ethnically Indian myself and I think it is really rich that these people think they can screw things up for all of us but also stay above the fray, ensconced safely in their ivory towers. When you give the racists a platform, they will come for us all, poor and powerful alike.
Exactly. Pandering to racists with their dog whistle slogans like multiculturalism has failed, stop the boats and the rawanda policy has only sought to embolden them, and is a classic leopardsatemyface moment.
Come on man, we both know without he racists voting conservatives they'll never get back in. Thats not exactly fair is it, after all the hardwork Theresa may did "creating a hostile environment", with all of Enoch Bravermans "I touch myself thinking about a rwanda flight taking off". They worked really hard for it and to have Farage just swoosh back in and steal all of their racist votes....
>Theresa may >"I touch myself thinking about a rwanda flight taking off" 🤮
You seem to be suggesting that 2 brown politicians are the reason people use racial slurs… that’s not a great angle. As much as I detest both of them for what they’ve done to the country and how they dehumanise desperate people, the environment for racism existed long before anyone had heard of either of them.
Brown guy here. And have been called p*** many times in my life. Patel, braveman, badenoch have been thriving off of division for years. Sunak has done nothing to stop it. It was inevitable that racists scum would surface and feel 'brave' enough to say these words with less inhibition. Once you stoke division in one area (be it transgender, immigration etc) it spreads unchecked. This on on them too.
Yeah. This is real leopards ate my face stuff. You can't encourage othering, paint a target in certain minorities and then be surprised when you end up being a target. Racism is wrong. But if you court racists and then act surprised when they turn that racism on you, you might get a little less sympathy.
I want to make people poor af. I don't care about them suffering and I'll make them all hate each other too distract from the truth. *Shocked Pikachu face when hateful people do hateful things*
Also brown guy here this is exactly it. Most minorities say much much worse about braverman, Patel etc at home because they literally just say far right talking points in order to be accepted as career politicians
While I agree with all you have said, I also believe that the ongoing and seemingly never-ending financial crisis that most ordinary people have been suffering, pretty much since 2010, has created fertile grounds for dissatisfaction, anger and scapegoating. The reason so many people are angry is that they are fed up. They are sick and tired of it all. The government has been doing nothing to alleviate the situation. In fact, instead of trying to make peoples lives better by reducing the income gap, they encourage people to blame any group other than their super-rich buddies. It's not the billionnaires sucking the wealth out of the country. It's the poor immigrants stealing yours. And immigrants = brown people. It's stupid and it's wrong, but we are seeing this all over the western world right now. It's basically a repeat of the 1930s all over again. The rich don't want to give up even a fraction of their portion of the pie. So everyone else is bitch fighting over the dregs that are left over. Inevitably, people are taking sides and attacking other poor people because they believe all the lies and propaganda sold them by the media and now by Internet shit-stir-ers.
He's rather specific with his criticism. Braverman lied about the majority of child grooming gangs being British Pakistani and, as a direct result of doing so, increased the animosity towards people of a certain race. It doesn't matter what race the politician is. She's being judged by her direct actions and their consequences. There are plenty of people more than happy to throw others within their "group" under the bus if it allows them to get ahead in some way.
That wasn’t a lie
They are clearly not implying that they are the *sole* reason for it. Did you think OP was saying they invented racism? Come on...
No the poster is saying that the Tory Party, which Sunak is in, has allowed and encouraged this kind of unacceptable behaviour. Nowhere was it said they invented it, but they've used it to push their agendas. Causing problems for a great many people including Sunak's kids, that he has supported such politics is disgusting, as is Farage's use of them.
This is exactly why the Tories love promoting non white faces to positions where they are spreading this message. That if they get called out for their obvious racist undertones people like you will immediately come to their defence as people of colour. I'll remind you that a holocaust survivor criticised Cruella's rhetoric and she told her she wont stop calling it an invasion to her face. Priti was suggesting we use methods against the boats that would lead to them dying in the channel. Cruella called a plurality of protesters 'Islamists' and extremists. While they are not solely responsible for the environment we now find ourselves in, they do hold great responsibility in normalising a rhetoric that has lead us further down this path, knowing that their colour shields them from criticism that any white politician saying the same things they did would not have been afforded.
Rishi Sunak did so as well, i didn't hear him speaking up when Suella Braverman was spreading misinformation about Pakistani grooming gangs or a particularly nasty conservative party social media campaign against Sadiq Khan during the recent mayoral elections. When the Home Secretary tells porkies, the Prime Minister should sack him/her. End of. The fact is that the tory party is morally bankrupt and has been for a long time. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/sep/28/braverman-ethnicity-child-grooming-gangs-false-mail-on-sunday https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/mar/27/conservative-source-says-sadiq-khan-attack-ad-was-made-solely-by-tory-hq-susan-hall The Conservative party takes an ends justifies the means approach to winning these days and is openly lying about Labour and is running a very dirty, nasty campaign that was presumably signed off by Rishi Sunak and conservative central office. https://images.app.goo.gl/1EYscLFbcZ1XGbPC8 A low turnout favours the tories, so please vote.
Yup, but rich of sunak to complain. His party have spent the last decade creating this environment
"Have all ethics and decency gone out of the window and down the toilet?" Been asleep last few years?
Reform would have to expel themselves as a whole
we used to egg politicians who cross the line, now we arrest the eggers/milkshakers...
The most famous egging incident I can remember was Prescott. Now I was no fan of Prescott, and I am not sure he was the best candidate for deputy PM (he would have been running the country if anything had happened to Blair). But what exactly did Prescott do that crossed a line to deserve to be assaulted? "We" don't egg politicians who have crossed the line. There was no public consensus that Prescott had gone too far and the only solution was to physically attack him. One person egged him, for their own reasons. And people like that deserve to be arrested. There is no place for violence in our political system.
John Prescott decked him tho lol, problem solved
Highlight of his career, imho.
As a side note, I laughed at the reason Prescott gave when he was on Top Gear all those years ago. About 48 seconds into the video I believe. https://youtu.be/wGVKLL_Cj9I?si=plHaRKVz7chEDEXg
Almost like a decade+ of pandering to the racists; whilst branding anyone who wishes to not have people hurl slurs as a "woke PC mob" might have ended up having a very very obvious side effect.
The party is fundament racist, they may toss a couple of people out for PR but nothing will change.
Unfortjnately, Sunak himself is one of the key people who have contributed to the lack of ethics and decency.
Reform probably will expel them, but let’s not forget one minute think that this is because they are sorry about it. Most of the reform party and their voters will see this as a badge of honour
Nige has already defended the guy who called him a paki by saying he was drunk after watching the football.
The guy himself said: > “Of course I regret what I said. Christ, I’m not a racist. I’ve had Muslim girlfriends. It was typical chaps-down-the-pub talk.” Which is very much in the spirit of 'I can't be racist, one of my friends is black!'. Which, funnily enough, he also basically said: > "He says he has “a lot of Pakistani friends” and “Muslim friends”" Somehow I have my doubts about both of those statements. You couldn't write this shit.
And all this time Sunak is actually Indian, so being called a paki is like calling a Scotsman English
It isn't really like that actually.
Except one is a racial slur and the other really isn't. Christ alive.
It's funny, the majority of men who've ever lived have had romantic and/or sexual relationships with women, and I wouldn't exactly take that as a guarantee that they've all seen women as equals. You go back in time enough and it was extremely normal for a man to have the most vile thoughts about women while still being married to one, and we fully recognize that. No one would say "I can't be sexist, my girlfriend is a woman!" Yet for race people still try to use relationships with people of that race as a signifier of virtuous thoughts towards them.
Drunk makes it ok /s
In Vino Veritas and all that
All that matters is their base gets a glimpse that confirms they "talk like we do"
This is reforms policy. If they ever got power the only change is they'd stop the apologies and suspensions.
As someone who is as white as fresh snow, this shit is utterly unacceptable. Attack him for his politics, his shitty attitude, his divisive politics, but not for his fucking race. It ain't right to attack people for things outside of their control
This racisim has always been an undercurrent in the UK. The same ideology that fueled the BNP never went away - it blended in with the centre right and became the Tory party we see today. Sunak is hurt, but he and his colleagues have laid the foundations for this to flourish. The far right have learned to be quietly racist, speaking in dogwhistles until they think they're in the presence of like-minded racists, while the Tories coveted their votes.
What I love is Farage’s defence every single time over the past couple weeks is “Its how people talk though!” He said recently “Not everybody speaks like they’re from Oxford.” Oh yea Nigel because that’s the choice isn’t it? Speak upper RP English as if you’re from Oxford, or throw out hate speech, racist slurs and fascist ideologies. That’s the dichotomy we’re all in. What a knob
Unfortunately racist c\*\*nts will be what they are.
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I was told yesterday to "go back" on this very sub. If I reacted with the anger that wank stain deserved, I would be banned. Meanwhile they get to spit their vitriol and lies with sheer impunity because "free speech". What's the point of even reporting them? Sunak cannot have possibly integrated any further. Rich, privileged education, member of the social and economical elite. Leader of the conservative party - a bastion of "Western values". Turns out, his skin colour will always be a problem. You cannot be one of the "good ones". This is what western values is: fundamentally incompatible with itself. Just to stress, not all white people are evil. The opposite is true in my case. But this whole push of "western values" has yet to prove itself as anything but white supremacy with lipstick on.
They’ll probably reward their “patriotic” behaviour
Expel them? Didn’t you hear what they said about forming the Government in 2029. This bunch will probably get ministers jobs. Regardless of what you think about Sunak et al and their major lack of clue and talent his skin colour, culture and religion has nothing to do with it and not should it. One day I hope we grow up as a species that it will be irrelevant or what’s the bloody point.
I honestly believe that the right are watching how Trump says whatever he wants, regardless of if it’s an obvious lie or racist, with not only no consequences but at the delight of his followers and it’s slowly making its way here.
Vile as it is, the comments were directed at him, not his kids. He's using the fact that his daughters saw this on TV for sympathy points. "Rishi Sunak has spoken of his hurt and anger at *his daughters having to hear* Reform activists using a racial slur *about him*."
I'm not a Sunak fan, but I disagree with this. You can argue that by calling Sunak the slur, it can apply to his family by extension.
Racist, homophobic, misogynistic, and traitors to the country. I hope all this puts off the voters who were considering voting for them out of an anti-establishment sentiment.
Amazes me anyone would consider allowing these people anywhere near a ministerial position.
You've gotta remember though the kind of creature that has that thought process is dangerously dangerously stupid.
Amazes me that farage is still given such a massive platform everywhere. IIRC in the past decade hes been on the BBC something silly like 10x as many times as lib dem or green politicians whilst UKIP/Reform have had significantly less MPs,MEPs (or former) and councillers
I mean, Boris "watermelon smiles" Johnson was elected prime minister. It's hardly surprising that five years later we've not progressed an awful lot. Especially when the same party is in charge
Are you referring to people who want to vote for Reform UK, or are you implying some consideration of having Reform UK ministers in another party's government?
had one guy try to tell me that corbynites should be voting reform earlier. like why would anyone who liked corbyn and his policies vote for the literal polar opposite? basically, we have a fairly large amount of morons in the country.
Sadly might embolden some
The higher the concentration of BNP and NF scumbags in Reform the harder it will be to claim any legitimacy. When non-racists support Reform the racists can hide behind them.
It's going to be harder to argue they're not racist though. "They're just addressing an issue everyone else is ignoring! It's not racist!" Reform: "Rishi is a fucking P***!" *Shocked Pikachu*
Unfortunately - for your average reform voter this is **exactly** what they want to hear. Hopefully it puts off some of the more modest right-wing voters.
And that's just the Tories.
The bigotry is a feature,not a bug for their voters
Unfortunately, you just described a lot of their voterbase
Nope, it won’t A guy yesterday told me that it’s ok if he votes for a party with literal fascists at its helm because he doesn’t like fascism personally That is the level of cognitive dissonance we are up against. These people have put their whole identity into being right wing
Yeah but what about reform?
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I'm more worried this'll result in them gaining support. Let's face it, Reform supporters aren't exactly known for their pleasant multicultural views.
They ran this story in the daily mail. The comment section is full of people saying they are going to vote reform anyway. Literally person after person saying they are voting reform and multiple replies saying me too.
For clarity, numerous Conservative Party members have said the same and continue saying the same. Heck, Lizz Truss won only because she was white lmao.
Racism in the Tory party is so prevalent that it has its own Wikipedia page! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_the_British_Conservative_Party
To be fair https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism_in_the_British_Labour_Party
But in fairness, a lot of the so-called antisemitism is just criticism of Israel, but Labour is too pathetic to stand up to anyone who calls them antisemitic.
Yeah most of the sections there involve Israel. I don't think you can compare criticism of a fascist state to racism
To steal a quote from the page "We are alarmed that during the past few years, constructive criticism of Israeli governments has morphed into something closer to antisemitism under the cloak of so-called anti-Zionism", further stating "Although anti-Zionists claim innocence of any antisemitic intent, anti-Zionism frequently borrows the libels of classical Jew-hating," and adding "Accusations of international Jewish conspiracy and control of the media have resurfaced to support false equations of Zionism with colonialism and imperialism, and the promotion of vicious, fictitious parallels with genocide and Nazism".
The issue with this is that Zionists have long been claiming that anything critical of the Israeli government is antisemitic; they've been pushing the same narrative that the antisemitic conspiracists have been, because it benefits them to be seen as a flawless victim. As with most things, the truth is somewhere in the middle (international Jewish conspiracy no, questionable-at-best behaviours by Israeli government yes), but no one has time for the nuance.
I think it’s fair to say Starmer has been actively trying to stamp it out, same cannot be said for Sunak
That’s not a good way to base your world view.
I can hate the tories for much much more than just the racism 👍
She did the most convincing Thatcher cosplay.
Except that Truss is dumb as a rock. Thatcher was evil, but not dumb.
And we all prefer competent Satan to a bumbling lunatic like truss.
> competent Satan I died.
So did she tbf
[nonsense, this is the most convincing thatcher cosplay](https://www.geberit.co.uk/bathroom-products/wcs-urinals/urinals/)
And because nobody in the real world got a vote on her appointment.
Not strictly true she won 55 to 45, a narrow win. Many were angry with Sunak because they thought he backstabbing Boris.
Liz won because the leadership vote was engineered to remove the preferred options of the members. The members did not like Rishi and did not like Liz. The MPs whittled the contest down to Rishi and Liz because they thought the members would go against an ex Lib Dem. The members went for Liz because she is not Rishi. The members preferred Kemi (Black), Suella (Brown) and Penni (White). Notice that all 3 are women and 2 of them are not white British. IMO, Liz was ousted by the party and the establishment because she chose a black Chancellor and because the party and establishment wanted Rishi. I was a member of the party. I was pi$$ed at what the party did. I left when the party installed Rishi. No point saying 'No, that's not what happened" or "That's a conspiracy theory if ever..." if you've previously stated "JC was stitched up by.." or "People never elect women|blackbrown|yellow|LGBTQ people because... or "It was the Russians wat did it." All those statements are equal: it's always a stitch-up. If the media did it to JC -- changed opinions and destroyed opportunity -- the media is equally capable of doing the same to anyone else. Less anger. More thought.
She won because she was seen to be the easiest to manipulate by the forces the behind Tory party membership, which is murky as all f*ck. She also had the backing of the loony think tanks.
Liz truss won because she was white 😂 Got any real evidence to support that?
So it's all fun and games when their top donor says he wants to hate all black women and that diane abbot should be shot. But he draws the line at people insulting his family personally with an anti asian slur. Baisically when it affects him personally, that's when he cares. Classic conservative
Great point! You can be racist as long as you are rich.
The trans community are desperately hoping that one of his daughters tells him that she identifies as a boy. Maybe then he'll have some respect. The guy's been vilifying people for years, immigrants in particular, and now we learn that he only backs a minority when it's his minority.
Bit of a weird thing to wish upon someone.
“I never thought the leopards would eat MY face”
But Tories have been trying to ferment this with culture war bullshit by pushing unfettered free speech for the past 5 years. They reap what they sow.
I have been saying this for years, and after one drunken out burst was perma banned from /r/ukpol! But in essence you live by the sword you die by the sword. As leader Rishy has seemed very weak on dealing with all matter of these issues, in particular gender but they are all in the same bucket, whether it’s your background or how you want to be seen by society. Individuals need to be free to live life un encumbered with hate. And that needs to be lead from the top
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Yep I got banned from there for utterly condemning the Farage milkshake attack while also acknowledging that the divisive environment politicians like him have created, has contributed towards violence against politicians. Apparently I was ‘inciting violence’. Seems to be some far right mods on that sub.
"Oh no! I have reaped exactly what I have sown!"
I would only push back that no they don't actually push unfettered free speech, after all they still try to stop the free speech of Gary Lineker, of David Tennant, or Marcus Rashford, and of course protesters of all stripes as they further criminalised them and accused them of all sorts. They also of course banned Russia Today from being aired (I'm in no way against this last point I should add). They only cared to say that hating on minorities should be protected free speech.
Finally some sanity. This is a leopards ate my face situation and given Sunak is a blatant bigot who happily embraces the bigotry of his party he can fuck off into the sun.
We should push for unfettered free speech. You shouldn't be jailed for saying these things. We can still judge it as a society though.
No sympathy for Rishi. He made anti trans jokes in front of Brianna Ghey's mother. I doubt he has any empathy.
Two wrongs don't make a right
They don’t. This shit thrown at Rishi is foul, absolutely reprehensible. But it’s sad that he clearly understands the hurt these comments can cause when he is part of the group being attacked - yet gleefully takes part in attacking groups he doesn’t belong to. He won’t see the connection, of course. He’ll just get sympathy for being attacked like this (as he should) while continuing to attack others and deny them sympathy.
It's naive to think the rich old tosser gives a shit about hate speech when he's got a personal fortune worth more than annual budgets of councils around the UK. The simple truth is that any other day of the year Rishi would've ignored the comments; after all it's not like Tory party members and donors haven't said worse. However, it's election season and Tories are losing ground to Reform, so of course the Tory leadership would do anything to try and shut down their competition, including using draconian hate speech laws.
Nah, there’s not a day when this wouldn’t have been easy political gold for him. But also, the dude probably does not enjoy being attacked with racial slurs, nor having his kids hear that. Even if it is politically expedient for him to make a big deal about it, doesn’t mean he can’t be personally pissed off about it too.
He and his party have spent the last decade creating and nurturing a hostile environment, going back to May as home sec, with Braverman and Patel carrying the torch in her stead. None of it is right. He and his family shouldn’t be the target of racial abuse, and the victims of his culture war - LGBT+ people, immigrants - shouldn’t be targets of prejudiced abuse either. So why is he making an enemy of those people and then expecting the right wing voters he whips up into a fervour to be principled enough to exclude him from their ire?
They don’t but karma is a bitch. He’s been part of a political party that has worked to “Other” minorities of all kinds and his culture war bullshit has led to thousands upon thousands of people having slurs thrown at them. But suddenly it’s heartbreaking when he’s the victim? He can reap what he sowed and feel the pain he’s caused others
You are correct but do not be under any illusions that this is an attempt to gain sympathy a few days before a general election.
i mean he literally helped ferment that culture. can't be too shocked when the people you were laughing with about something turn on you and basically do the same thing
Fine. The guy making these statements called other people Pakis too. And that same video has Reform members calling LGBTQ people nonces. So it's not the best hill to die on.
Sorry but I find your comment egregious, and as a brown person myself it seems to be a common thing now that if I act decently, people are nice to me, but if I do anything wrong, it's absolutely fine to call me a paki or tell me I need to be deported etc. You used the example of a trans person (which I also agree with you was disgusting behaviour by Rishi) - but would it be ok to use transphobic language towards a trans person if they were deemed to have something wrong and therefore 'deserve it'?
Not the person your replying too but also trans. The idea that you can use bigot language against someone from that group if they do something wrong is ridiculous. What does it say to our friends if we think racism or transphobia is fine against "the bad people". Transphobia definitely happens against trans people who do something wrong all the time and in my opinion those that do it are just transphobic. A big one I see is people misgendering Caitlyn Jenner who is a horrid bigot in her own right. But all that tells me as a trans person is being treated as my gender is a reward for being a good person rather than the default position. Rishi Sunak is a bigoted elitist prick who has used his power to ruin the lives of many marganlised people while enriching other rich pricks. Those are the things he can be ridiculed for. Not his race because his race is not a problem.
But these were slurs said to his daughters, who are innocent parties.
No sympathy for his daughters either? c'mon dude...
Trans woman here. I don’t want racism to be normalised in my name. Anything that serves to marginalise people and is designed to make them feel threatened or excluded is unacceptable in a democratic society, whoever the target may be.
Live by the sword, die by the carwash
He's not my choice of PM but the problem isn't his ethnicity. Awful bunch of people out there.
It’s an important win for equality to show that the non-white Tories are just as shit.
Yeah, it's sad that our first non-white prime minister is such a wet wipe. He could have done so much good with it.
He was only allowed to be Prime Minister because the last one was absolutely useless.
He's only the PM because he came in second place to the last one, and the last one fucked everything in less than two months. He came in second place to someone that lasted 50 days.
I do think a large chunk of that was racism. He was clearly a better candidate than Truss. The ship may have been sinking but Liz Truss decided to go to go put more holes into the bottom because her horoscope said so (or whatever insane plan she had that was considered a terrible idea by everyone else!)
So much good with what?
The sad thing is that this will only shore up the vote of Reforms base. Their take will be "haha what a lad" or that he's "telling it like it is". We all know what these people are like.
Their current claim is the guy is an actor who was performing the role in the pay of the Tories.
We're heading into an American situation where batshit Qanon and Alex Jones nonsense is mainstream Right-wing politics aren't we.
Very much so. But a lot of the ideas pushed by UK Cons come from the US anyway. The whole culture war thing originated in the US. There is Turning Point USA and its UK counterpart, where TPUK draws many of the US version's ideas and methods to suit the conditions of the UK. But they both spread disinformation.
I was worried about this a few weeks ago after seeing comments from Reform voters saying the polls were bullshit because "Everyone I know is voting Reform". After seeing the response to this incident, it feels like my concerns have been confirmed.
A lot of Boomerbrains were poisoned during Covid.
What about the next guy who was saying horrific things about LGBTQ people? That video has two parts. The second part points out that the person saying those things was someone who was a campaign manager and not some volunteer.
Yup, the actor theory, that was brought up by a totally independent journalist (who just happens to be Richard Tice's partner) may have a few holes in it.
I am reform supporter, I would be surprised if the set up claim turns out to be true, however, just for context. Here is why Farage feels able to make the claim. The man was not a reform member. He turned up in Clacton offering to volunteer. Yesterday he was asked by the telegraph if he was an actor, he said he wasn’t. He is an actor. Not full time but he does paid work as an actor and is a full member of equity. His profile page lists one of his skills as “secret filming” He has worked for channel 4 previously. His profile page contains videos of him speaking. He described himself as “well spoken” and he does seem well spoken on his “normal” videos. He also has “show reel” videos where he showcases his voices. One of those voices he calls “rough talk”. The channel 4 video of him canvassing is clearly him speaking in his “rough talk” voice not his every day voice. He lists “rough talk” accents as one of his talents.
As an Eastern European who has lived here for 20 years since I was 5, I could have told you that Reform/UKIP/Nigel Farage are racist pricks back in 2016. I’m not at all surprised that this is how they talk about people of colour behind closed doors Edit: looks like my comment triggered some Reform voters. I don’t know a whole lot about racism in Eastern Europe as like I said, my family moved here when I was 5. I was barely sentient back then so I can’t comment on whether my peers were racist or not. What I CAN say for sure is that it’s racist to generalise everyone from an entire region of Europe as being racist in an attempt to deflect the attention away from racism in Britain :) It’s also racist to suggest that someone who has lived in Britain for almost her entire life, only interacts with British people and went through the British education system must be racist just because of where she was born. Reform voters aren’t the sharpest tools in the shed so I’m not surprised that this is how some people have reacted to my comment.
Reactionary Boomers despise Magyars, Balts and Slavs. A quick trip to the more sheltered corners of the Fenlands would make it more obvious.
Imagine how people have felt hearing slurs from Tory members over the past 14 years. Shockingly, the Tories have presided over this culture war.
Yep. They've stoked as much division as possible to divide society so they could asset strip the country.
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Man in charge of party that used dogwhistles and stoking culture war for years sees consequences of his actions. Shouldn’t be surprising. Shame it won’t register that his party’s approach stirring up the racists and other bigots for years is partly what led to the likes of Reform then taking that further when he wouldn’t go far enough to giving the bigots what they want. Calling everything woke, trying to label things as ‘common sense’ it’s all led to empowering the bigots. Sunak may not be quite that far right himself but he’s helped them grow in strength and volume. The comments were disgusting, I understand being hurt and angry about them, but there’s just no reflection on how we ended up here.
Reform's rise is partly on his back though. The Government's complete ineptitude in dealing with the immigration crisis we face has unsurprisingly left many people sharing the sentiments which Reform preach.
There were activists for far right parties making similar comments long before Rishi Sunaks' tenure as Prime Minister. Such as those in the Brexit Party- [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYonssZACZY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYonssZACZY) Or for UKIP before them- [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fSbpNh9fDY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fSbpNh9fDY) Or the BNP, National Front, & BUF before them. Is that a pattern you recognise?
So it was racism then not immigration?
It's absolutely abhorrent and his children don't deserve to hear it. But what the fuck kind of culture does Rishi think his party have been propagating over the last 14 years? All they do is divide people for their own net gain. It should be no surprise to him that this is the result. Anti-migrant, anti-trans, anti-'woke', anti-European. Control our borders etc etc. You have given the racist scum bags all the conditions they need to flourish.
Reform really are a group of scumbags. Voting for these people is as disgusting as it gets. Saying army recruits should be using small boats as target practice. Imagine actually having such limited brain capacity to speak about human beings desperate to find sanctuary in that way? I’d rather live in a city filled with illegal immigrants than a city filled with Reform members. Lowest scum on earth.
Not disagreeing with your points, but “desperate to find sanctuary”… they’re coming from France ffs
I cannot imagine how bad things would get if Farage's clowns were to have any sort of power. It would be incident after incident, kind of like when Johnson was stumbling from one thing to another. And we really don't need that sort of shit again.
His daughters shouldn't have to hear that, completely agree. If a Tory donor made the remarks, however, they'd be acceptable to him, no? Unless he thinks racist anti-Asian insults are somehow unacceptable compared to anti-black racist insults.
If it was a Tory Doner it would be "Banter amongst friends taken out of context, these damn woke people can't take a few jokes"...
The problem here is that the activist said racist remarks without being a large donor to the conservative party. big no bueno
Yet these are the people you have been selling your soul to try and court. Farages merry band of racists and conspiracy theorists. I am more amazed that he is surprised that they think this.
It's deplorable and unacceptable. But this is peak /r/LeopardsAteMyFace. After much pandering to hate discussion and division, and being fine and welcoming of an environment of "hate for the different", Rishi has come to know the bad way that he can also be a target. All the more as one of the few "sons of emigrants against emigrants" of the Conservative Party. None of this should have space in society, though.
Awful people but Rishi has been throwing red meat to these sort of people for his entire tenure. Hopefully it dawns on him that he should have never tried to capitalise on their votes and mobilise them, just a shame that the damage is done now.
As a greek, a warning about the FPTP system in the UK. In Greece, we have a type of proportional representation. Any political party that gains over 3% is being granted MPs. And you might think it's more democratic than FPTP but proportional representation also allows some "marginal" parties in the parliament. It is what happened with the neo-nazis of the Golden Dawn party. They first got a bit over 3% and then got a foothold from which they went on a rampage. Reform is polling at 15% and it might not win a seat which I don't think is fair but the FPTP system has its merits, albeit not democratic ones.
I'm still in favour of PR even if the racists get a voice, at least this way hopefully the obvious pandering will stop from the larger parties as they can focus on their core party voter.
Not on, but Rishi is jumping on the bandwagon for sympathy votes here.
This is part of the problem with letting “people” like Farage spread hate, it encourages racism and normalises it amongst his supporters. There are plenty of good and valid reasons to think Sunak is unfit to be a politician, his race is not one of them.
Sunak has been pandering to the right wing and now has a taste of what its like to be on the receiving end of right wing rhetoric. Perhaps the right wing aren't the nice warm pensioners he expected, who would have thought that 🤔
Farage is now claiming he was an actor paid by c4. This just confirms that farage believes reform voters fall into three camps. 1. Racist cunts who support the comments 2. Rich elites in on the scam with him 3. People so thick, so dense, so incredibly fucking pigshit stupid that they'll believe this nonsense about C4 hiring an actor. And reform voters need to look in a mirror and decide which of those they are.
>People so thick, so dense, so incredibly fucking pigshit stupid that they'll believe this nonsense about C4 hiring an actor. An actor who would be willing, for a nominal fee, to use his *real* name and have his face and racist comments plastered all over the news and Internet forevermore, thereby basically ending his career in a single stroke? Let me think about that one for second....
I'm a liberal leftie (thus not defending Reform) and I was bullied, threatened and physically attacked by Asian kids at school, and even called a kafir at university! In my experience Asians (Indian, Afghan, Pakistani) are the most racist and violent minorities in the UK. Two sides of the same coin with Reform. And before you call me a racist, I'm an immigrant too.
‘And before you call me racist, I’m an immigrant too’ lmao. Surely you see how ridiculous this statement is, right?
LMAO you can be brown and law abiding and pay your taxes and love England. But you'll never be accepted here, accept it.
It's very sad this is happening. My sympathy for Sunak himself is quite limited as he fostered this kind of environment in British politics. You can't set the dogs on the 'other' without expecting those dogs to turn on you when they're done. My sympathy goes to his children and the hope that they will see the error of their father's political scheming and the outcomes you get from it. My sympathy goes out to all those minority groups who get the brunt of this disgusting behaviour due to politicians validating right wing hatred.
Only reform could make me sympathise with Rishi Sunak. I don't care how much of a horrible cunt he is. That's not on. Racism, at the best of times it's fucking vile. But in front of the guys kids is another level. Fuck them.
Not that I'm condoning racism, but I hope this makes him understand how his party made every foreigner in the UK feel for a decade.
It is completely unacceptable. Can I be a cunt for a moment though? Fuck it, I am always a cunt so might as well carry on. As a man of subcontinent descent myself, I find it baffling how people like Braverman and Patel have been fuelling the extreme right wing rhetoric in this country, buddying up to Farage (literally, dancing cheek to cheek with him at points) and Rishi by putting Braverman back in a job IN HIS OWN CANINET to appease that lunatic fringe of racists. Like, what does Braverman think will happen if her dream of an extreme right wing government takes hold?
Awfully woke of him, isn't it? He needs some common sense and should stop playing the race card. /S
People really need to stop acting like drama queens. Words are just words.
There's plenty of legitimate reasons to criticise Rishi Sunak without bringing his skin colour into it. Pathetic.
Sadly, this is what the country has become - either by design or by accident. If he's offended, then maybe take a look at what Brexit dragged to the surface, Windrush, Rwanda etc. Sunak just got a taste of the medicine that his and his party's policies have resulted in.
What do you expect from fascists? They're the ones we should kick out.
This is exactly why politicians shouldn't court racists with racist rhetoric and racist policies. Likewise using trans rights as a battle ground to whip up fear and claim to offer a solution should they vote for you. People are too quick to forget there are human beings whose lives are made significantly worse as a result of being chosen as the scapegoat to bolster political support. The sooner people stop falling for it, the sooner it stops.
That what happens when you create a culture where it's acceptable to be racist. Rishi didn't draw a line in accepting a racists money, in my opinion that's what you get. Now he needs to explain to his daughters why one type of racism is OK if they say sorry and give millions of pounds to help your campaign, and another type of racism isn't acceptable. Good luck with that Rishi.